Seriously, i hope that extensive training can be given and must be passed by a new Class 2B license holder before he can go for TP.
Getting a pillion is hard during the learning stages, Therefore, i think that if some form of load can be attach to the pillion seat, it might just do the trick.

Anyone agreed this idea?
Wanna write a letter proposing this idea to the relevent authorities?
My English is not bad but sux.

hahaha... ken, full of ideas..... not a bad one leh.... so hows ur track session??? any more cuming up??? :confused:

okie lah, eh, u know how to write a good letter on this?

dun know leh.. u seriously want to propose this thing huh... :confused:

Maybe make it a compulsory course for P-plate riders? During the learning stage might be a bit challenging.. :smile:

i think they shld teach them abt racing in PG n not sg rd......... extra lesson.....

Knoe how to pillon ppl tat doesn't mean how to ride safely....:giddy:

i tot there is a subject whereby u need to pillion somebody n go thru the circuit ? I think its subject 8 at BBDC . :confused:

is not the rider is the pillion :faint:

even u learn how to pillion pple,the pillion may be 1st time sitting on a bike n dun noe anything like lean to the right when turning right...where he/she going to learn?go centre n learn how to be a pillion? :lol:

take ur bike with ur pillion to a trip up north(maybe cameroon highlands) would do the trick.

back to the pillion issue.. my gf has no problems being pillion by me without piror instructions by me or any safety concerns that she knew of except to wear a helmet.. i juz told her to hug me and that's it.. i bend down, she bend down..

and based on the weight issue, i have no problems pillion my mother who is 30kg heavier than me..

but then, i believe that more should be covered for pillion riding instead of just a lesson.. (juz like class 2 TP test where the testees r required to bring up a bike when fallen and has to push a figure 8) extensive training is not necessary.. everyone knows the circumstances changes when u have a pillion..

it is a rider's responsibility to find out if the person he pillioning is a first-timer, and give short briefing of the basic common sense or his preference of how a pillion should be.

that's all only what... why so serious until need training.

how bout just making it the law for no pillions while still under probation.

good idea.. but it does has a bad point.. coz if lets say i'm still a p plate and i wanna pillion my gf, i will take out my p plate instead of displaying it.. i am making myself more dangerous to other road users without realizing it..

Originally posted by Tyrian@Dec 3 2004, 11:52 PM
good idea.. but it does has a bad point.. coz if lets say i'm still a p plate and i wanna pillion my gf, i will take out my p plate instead of displaying it.. i am making myself more dangerous to other road users without realizing it..
ah, but dont forget: thats how it already is now. so, you cant say that ppl who do this if the law is passed will make things any more dangerous than the current situation. all that can be done is to make it law and hope the penalty deters ppl. but it cant be any worse than current; only how much better is an issue.

personally i dun quite like the idea of making tests for pillion. as it is, ppl who pass the test, we still see high accident rates among young riders, especially p-plate young riders. that would seem to mean that what makes a rider 'capable' is experience, as opposed to stringent tests. so forcing ppl to accumulate experience before being allowed to pillion would seem a better solution. but thats just my opinion of coz.

Originally posted by Tyrian@Dec 3 2004, 11:52 PM
good idea.. but it does has a bad point.. coz if lets say i'm still a p plate and i wanna pillion my gf, i will take out my p plate instead of displaying it.. i am making myself more dangerous to other road users without realizing it..
sorry, i just realised that what you possibly meant was that this law i suggested might be an additional motivation for ppl to remove p-plate, on top of current reasons why ppl already take it off; meaning we'll see more ppl take out p-plate while under probation. well cant say its not a valid point, but all that can be done is to implement penalties to deter ppl. like i said earlier, if realli wanna solve this problem, i believe experience is a better solution than tests. plus i realli dun think p-plate serves its purpose, but this one seperate issue of coz.

Looks like there are 3 options here:-

1) Make it a stage/subject in class 2B lessons where learner riders need to pass it before he takes TP test, like stage 8 or 9? But I prefer no timing, just go through the circuit w/o falling/leg touch ground, can go to rd too.

2) Make it a test on TP with circuit and road test for Class 2B, maybe no timing (meaning, figure 8 and crank and pylon and narrow prank no timing restriction, as long as u fon't fall), the passing of pillion portion will not cause the whole TP test to fail, I mean 2 tests, if pillion pass both solo n pillion, he can pillion after that, if not he will not pillion until his 1 year P-plate probation, then automatic he can pillion, but lots of admin work on the licence, different colour?

3) as what mechwira suggested, forbid P-plate to pillion altogether.

It is either we want to spend more time training, or spend more time on the road gaining experience.

In my point of view, i do not agree to option no. 3 because i feel that if p plate riders are to forbid in carrying pillion, drivers should be forbidded as well.. option 1 is already being done in BBDC, in my days. I feel that if a change to the testing system is to be made, option 2 would be the best choice.

Originally posted by Tyrian@Dec 7 2004, 02:17 AM
In my point of view, i do not agree to option no. 3 because i feel that if p plate riders are to forbid in carrying pillion, drivers should be forbidded as well.. option 1 is already being done in BBDC, in my days. I feel that if a change to the testing system is to be made, option 2 would be the best choice.
personally i'm not inclined at all to push for any solution to this pillion problem because i believe that the root cause of all the problems is inexperience and lack of maturity: everybody knows that bikes have high accident rates and the bulk of these is young inexperienced riders. solve this problem, and you'll solve the pillion problem along with it.

but if you want to bring up only the pillion issue, then my question is this: what makes a rider increase his 'capability': another round of stringent tests, or more experience on the road?

our tests are already stringent. most countries have much simpler tests. they dont have pylon slaloms and such. and we still see high accident rates here. tests are of coz necessary to ensure that a rider is equipped wif the basic necessary skills before being allowed on the roads. but our accident stats quite prove that beyond equipping one with the necessary basic skills, it does nothing to increase the rider's 'capability'. that being so, what difference would pillion tests make? as it is, lessons in centers are already supposed to expose trainees to pillion riding. would tests on pillion actually make a significant difference?

with regards to this topic.. i seen suggestion of u guys toking about making learner riders pillion a person thru the courses.. just haf to make it thru n no timing involved.. actualli this is already implemented.. i dunno how long ago but i took prac4 last week onli.. n i had to pillion this uncle across the entire circuit test route.. no timing thou..

Originally posted by who_noe@Dec 2 2004, 10:57 PM
is not the rider is the pillion :faint:

even u learn how to pillion pple,the pillion may be 1st time sitting on a bike n dun noe anything like lean to the right when turning right...where he/she going to learn?go centre n learn how to be a pillion? :lol:
learning centers should have those mechanized rodeo bulls.. Pillions must stay on for 30 seconds to get a qualified pillion card. :cheeky:

Originally posted by Speedpass@Dec 2 2004, 10:24 PM
i tot there is a subject whereby u need to pillion somebody n go thru the circuit ? I think its subject 8 at BBDC . :confused:
SSDC also has it..... but then again when u get your license it would depend whether the rider is confident enough to pillion another party or not..... i know of 1 rider who would rather not pillion.. stating that he is scared to......

Originally posted by numbergames@Mar 4 2005, 02:54 AM
SSDC also has it..... but then again when u get your license it would depend whether the rider is confident enough to pillion another party or not..... i know of 1 rider who would rather not pillion.. stating that he is scared to......
talking abt me?

seriously i scared to pillion someone who is 80kg+
coz of 1 experience where i pillion a 95kg friend and my bike fall when U turn.
lucky i was only playing my bike in a carpark.
ever since thn i only pillion who i think i can pillion them well and safely.

Never to squeeze in between cars in traffic light unless confident with pillion. don't blame me with a small bike eating up a car space.

And also even i'm alone i nv squeeze between cars in expressway, see alot of pple do that.

just not long i E brake in expressway, coz i feeling tired after sch. my mind just totally blank out coz my mentally keep telling me bang lao... but i brake JUST IN TIME leaving abt few 20cm+ only.
and now my following distance become longer.

wonder how i gonna take my 2A in a few months time without being able to pillion a heavy friend.

getting abit :offtopic:

btw i'm P plate riding phantom.

I pillion a heavy friend before when I was still riding SP. Can still remember, very scary because he is not experienced as pillion and even though I told him to just follow the banking, he was scared and I had to go "relaxed" at the corners. He also said "oei, bro, relax, we're not in a hurry" when I went 100 on the expressway. :lol:

The point is, it's not easy to pillion, and even more difficult if you are riding a small bike and pillioning someone heavier than you. Therefore pillion training has been implemented in the driving centeres. However I think we could have a little more of that, even though I hated doing circuit courses with the pillion.

i tink the pillion makes a great deal of difference...

even if the rider is experience, when cornering, a slight but sudden movement by the pillion rider could offset whatever equilibrium the rider normally would hav

and the smaller the bike the harder to regain the upright posture after exiting the corner...

the worse the a pillion can do is to put one leg down on the floor hoping to balance when the bike is cornering...my pillion did that to me, i nearly lost my life cos i thought i hit sth and bank even lower :weep:

pillion people not easy lor

lucky if u get a slimmer one
if fat one how ?

Just go slow when pillon la. easiest.

don't pillion ppl over 90% of ur weight lor :p

don't pillion ppl over 90% of ur weight lor :p
I'm only 50 kg so practically i can only pillion my gf who is 45 kg =[

more thn 2 years already
still can dig out. o_O

another thought of it. riding 3 years already. i still dun like to pillion pple heavier thn me. :cheeky: i ban all my friends who is heavier thn me :lol:

and alot of p plate have gers sitting behind their bike. if the government were to ban it. i dunno how many p plate would be cursing and swearing :angel:

pillon ur friends and slowly learn.
This is what i did.
my friend about the same weight as me then the bike is only 70 percent of its performance when pillon someone cos of excess weight.

Pillioning makes a difference.. esp when braking.. i still cant get it right.. and everytime my pillion is heavier than me.. But on d move is like no difference with or without pillion.. But only wen braking it sux. :cheeky:

pillion no use lah... i think better propose to authorities to make sure all drivers need to have riding license and ride experience so they know how we feel.... :D

Pillioning makes a difference.. esp when braking.. i still cant get it right.. and everytime my pillion is heavier than me.. But on d move is like no difference with or without pillion.. But only wen braking it sux. :cheeky:
Get better brakes? :cheeky:

Get better brakes? :cheeky:

get bigger more stable bike lor... :angel:

get bigger more stable bike lor... :angel:
Provided she can handle that bigger bike..:cheeky:

Pillioning makes a difference.. esp when braking.. i still cant get it right.. and everytime my pillion is heavier than me.. But on d move is like no difference with or without pillion.. But only wen braking it sux. :cheeky:

the best is not to pillion...
besides, it aint safe to pillion someone when the pillion is much heavier. :cool:

actually it's ok la.. practice makes perfect... dun first day pass alr den go pillion ppl alr la.. get use to the bike first..

once, i pillion a friend. maybe the seat abit squeezing for us and he kept adjusting himself, at the same time i felt the bike 'adjusting itself' too..

For those thinking of not letting Pplaters pillion... Dun worry.. it is being considered by TP at the moment. Considered duration is 1 year... so its easier to enforce. Got P plate means cannot pillion. No P plate can pillion, rather than first 6 months or first 3 months cannot pillion, not as convenient to enforce. Whether or not it will be be implemented we'll have to wait and see.. But at the moment, it is being considered. As for adding a dead weight onto pillion seat during L plate.. sounds like a good idea.. we should feedback.. My concern though is.. a dead weight may not behave like a real pillion... will not lean wrong side ot shift body weight causing wobble if rider do not anticipate and react in time.. Though its better than nothing...

from my exp .. whenever u pillow a person dun care is male or female jus ask them to sit nearer to u n when u are turning ask them to squeeze their knee on ur hip.. n tell them dun anyhow shift/jerk the bike if they are scare .. cau if they are scare they shld nt even be pillion .. actually tis all knowledge can get from book .. which works 100percent well for me .. including pillion are heavier den me ..

if you n ur pillion is not confident, either you dun pillion or u ride slowly ..

and pls rmb when u pillion someone you are responsible of their LIFE ...

For those thinking of not letting Pplaters pillion... Dun worry.. it is being considered by TP at the moment. Considered duration is 1 year... so its easier to enforce. Got P plate means cannot pillion. No P plate can pillion, rather than first 6 months or first 3 months cannot pillion, not as convenient to enforce. Whether or not it will be be implemented we'll have to wait and see.. But at the moment, it is being considered. As for adding a dead weight onto pillion seat during L plate.. sounds like a good idea.. we should feedback.. My concern though is.. a dead weight may not behave like a real pillion... will not lean wrong side ot shift body weight causing wobble if rider do not anticipate and react in time.. Though its better than nothing...

true.. the weight distribution of a dummy load will not b same as a real person... unless u put 1 real ratio dummy human which able to hug ard ur waist.. if not u juz put 1 dummy load = having barang barang at the rear box...

anyway is it extensive or intensive ?