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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverend View Post
    if i not wrong...both of them(rider+pillon)cant wear since it already say in the law,but still luck count,TP good=let u off,TP fcuk up=$50 gone
    i not a TP but i got a good frz which is TP to me 10 yr till now since he caught me 3 time 10 yr back lol
    wah serious bo? pillion cannot wear even the slightest tinted visor izit?
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    pillon can bah if TP close one eyes bah
    but as far as i concern,it cant lah but dont get caught heehee
    anyway FYI....i wearing tinted....cause i g_a_y

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    i am wearing a half cap german helmet for 8mths now, ROV stop beside me or TP roadblocks so far nothing happen. I think just luck ah!
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    The law is a law. Without Sticker or tinted visor, TP and ROV are authorised to issue summon. It entirely dependable whether they wanna catch you or not. What loop hole? Pillion helmet with or without sticker or with or without tinted visor, also can be summon accordingly to law.

    So far, i have NOT see ANY LEGAL tinted visor on the market. Maybe LTA will imposed bah with LTA approved sticker on the visor. Just like 3rd party LEGAL exhaust pipe. Of course, by that time, our tinted helmet will cost alot more with the LTA authorisation sticker bah. More ways for LTA to make money leh. But I think unlikely this will happened, reason is since the light transmittion device confrim to fail all tinted visor, there is no way that the tinting will be approved by LTA, its like slapping their own face.

    As for the PSB sticker, $30 summon for rider and pillion also. Dependable whether they give face or not. They have the right to summon you. There is no way you can get LTA or TP to approve your helmet.

    To do that, they will need to go thru impact and crash testing of YOUR HELMET! Yes, they passed your helmet after all testing but end up, muahahaha, barely smashed up helmet! Normal circumtances, PSB sticker is awarded after the entire batch of helmet (Sample of 2-10) passed the test. It will take a long time before its can be on sale in market.

    Of course the suppliers will go thru undertable means to sell to local dealer at a cheaper price (without testing) than PSB approved helmet. More sales, more profit but who cares, with more production and high demand, the supplier earn more. But also says that local dealer will be fine for sales of unauthorised helmet but allowed for display. (Usual trick for dealers)

    Wearing sunglass is legal cos TP and ROV are doing it. They ride under the sun and too much UV will hurt the eyes. So no law such as sunglass is passed YET. TP are using none tinted and PSB approved helmet, so we must follow the law, according to them lah.

    In the olden day, FF and HC helmet are unauthorised without PSB sticker, only OF helmet allowed. Now, almost all model are available with PSB sticker except for some eg. monkey helmet... OFF helmet is the last pattern of helmet to get approved by PSB. Btw, LTA and TP are the law, no reasonable explanation needed to be given when you break the law.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoStar View Post
    not exactly, my friend kena coz his gf pillion was wearing a black, u know those kind where riders wear normal and the gf wear black like want to hide the face.haha. but ya..kena FINE.
    Most probably TP want to see the cha bo face thats why stop him lor.......If hide sure hiding something good.....my gf also wear tinted one leh.....sigh....now i think change to clear and ask her wear sunglass liao....

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    if let's say helmet without visor but i use goggles instead? legal? (:

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    I will pay the $30 summons then wear a cheap $40 helmet with a PSB sticker.
    My head costs more than that.

    Anyway, I have been wearing full face helmets that do not have PSB stickers for years and currently have 2 IXS full face which do not have the PSB sticker.

    As long as the helmet is Snell Foundation and DOT approved I will wear it.

    If got Snell, DOT and PSB sticker... I will wear. If got PSB sticker only... I will not wear.

    The Snell and DOT endorsement is recognised worldwide as a benchmark standard for safety helmets.

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    Black visor just kena 50 bucks

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    i just kena tinted visor...50 bucks!!

    just in time to pay for their year end BONUS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackenese View Post
    Most probably TP want to see the cha bo face thats why stop him lor.......If hide sure hiding something good.....my gf also wear tinted one leh.....sigh....now i think change to clear and ask her wear sunglass liao....
    like that very chio...hahahahahah

    Quote Originally Posted by vtec88 View Post
    i just kena tinted visor...50 bucks!!

    just in time to pay for their year end BONUS

    last october i aslo kenna, by expressway patrol car some more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MC28 View Post
    PSB is just another local conspiracy built up to leech monies from our law abiding Singa-Pore-Lang...
    I agreed. Money has the power to buy anything. You'll see noisy approved pipes around and that is just because the company of that product are willing to invest because they believe in long term business. And when it comes to Traffic police, reasoning becomes craps when you use an aftermarket pipes. As comparison to cobra pipes and Screaming eagle pipes. Tell me and decide which product will catch by the police first.

    As the arguement upon psb approved helmet too......Some pple want to look nice with helmet while disregarding safety. Well we have to respect each individual perception and overview. Some prioritize safety first while some do not becoz no matter what dis legal and illegal helmets make a different on how he or she look like on roads perhap...Those who wish to look old skool bikers will therefore prefer small size helmet with thin cushion. These are comon in America, Thailand, Europe and my other countries. Some dun mind looking like an astronaut riding a bike while some others mind.....



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    This is what going to happen to your head for wearing PSB sticker helmet.


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    This is my helmet. Been around in Singapore with it for couple of years!

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    30% of the visor tinted is fine....(means okie)

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    are there clear visor which reflects UV lights?

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    i juz being summon for my tinted visor juz now...damn it...
    when i got money,dey dun wan to summon me...wrong timing..

    juz now i ask the TP guy,he say pillion also shuld wear a clear helmet as the rider..except that they will close 1 eye if pillion is using tinted...
    if u 'kena' TP dat is strict and hungry for promotion,den pillion will cnfirm kena too....
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    Hi, new rider here, I was just wondering if those helmets with the mini flip down dark visor are legal? Was looking at the nolan ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoned View Post
    Hi, new rider here, I was just wondering if those helmets with the mini flip down dark visor are legal? Was looking at the nolan ones.
    Me thinks that one can consider legal ba... acts like sunglasses ma...

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    sorry bros, i know this is a bit off topic, but i recently got back to riding aft 2 years, and thinking of changing my clear visor (OGK plain black ff bought from ah boy for $200+ last time. sorry ah, not trying to show off, no offence, i only state cos i dunno the model, forgot liao..)

    how much to change a new one? and from where? price range?

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    wad i really dun understand is dat isn't wearing shades or sunglasses d same as wearing tinted visors? i mean, ur eyes look thru the visors, n ur eyes also look thru d shades.

    if they wanna argue abt visability, well i can bet dat some of d shades are 110% fully tinted. i'm refering to those totally black shades.

    so wats d point? are'nt both of these applies the same function? looking thru a coloured field of vision?

    sum more visors help to protect from particles hitting ur face.

    if any TPs in d forum reading this. u might wanna consider voicing out to ur higher authorities.
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    hmm..regarding the psb sticker issues, so i assume, i cannot go overseas and buy helmets to come back and use? i'm in thailand now and i see pretty nice FF helms...but i'm not sure bring home will kena anything or not..

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jengo View Post
    wad i really dun understand is dat isn't wearing shades or sunglasses d same as wearing tinted visors? i mean, ur eyes look thru the visors, n ur eyes also look thru d shades.

    if they wanna argue abt visability, well i can bet dat some of d shades are 110% fully tinted. i'm refering to those totally black shades.

    so wats d point? are'nt both of these applies the same function? looking thru a coloured field of vision?

    sum more visors help to protect from particles hitting ur face.

    if any TPs in d forum reading this. u might wanna consider voicing out to ur higher authorities.
    from what I believe, the police don't allow fully tinted visors is because they want to see your face, just in case you are a suspicious looking person (not accusing anyone, just stating an example)
    by wearing a sunglasses, they can at least see some features of your face, your nose for example if you are wearing a full face. and not all sunglasses hide your eyes from view, some are just tinted lenses and people still can see your eyes.


    Quote Originally Posted by coldblizzard View Post
    hmm..regarding the psb sticker issues, so i assume, i cannot go overseas and buy helmets to come back and use? i'm in thailand now and i see pretty nice FF helms...but i'm not sure bring home will kena anything or not..

    just to let you know, if TP caught you using a helmet with no PSB sticker, they CAN fine you.
    but if you are wearing a full face, and probably some well-known brand, some TP will close one eye. because they understand that your helmet is a good one.

    read the following qoute:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    I will pay the $30 summons then wear a cheap $40 helmet with a PSB sticker.
    My head costs more than that.

    Anyway, I have been wearing full face helmets that do not have PSB stickers for years and currently have 2 IXS full face which do not have the PSB sticker.

    As long as the helmet is Snell Foundation and DOT approved I will wear it.

    If got Snell, DOT and PSB sticker... I will wear. If got PSB sticker only... I will not wear.

    The Snell and DOT endorsement is recognised worldwide as a benchmark standard for safety helmets.

    PSB got world wide recognition meh??? Decide for yourselves.
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    eh ask u all ar, if i waer fullface helmet but i take out the visor is it illegal? hwo about taking off the visor and wear a fully reflected goggles, also illegal ar

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    Quote Originally Posted by barefoot View Post
    eh ask u all ar, if i waer fullface helmet but i take out the visor is it illegal? hwo about taking off the visor and wear a fully reflected goggles, also illegal ar
    Don't think its illegal...I know tainted visor is ...

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    i just got fined $50 last week wearing dark visor. Its my second time, but i will still continue to wear it. Reason being..

    - the dark visor helps protect from the glaring sun in the day
    - at night, it protects from ultra bright headlights which is potentially blinding.
    - Sunglasses is not comfortable to me.

    The theory of 'suspicious person' doesnt make sense to me at all, If that's the case, what about riding at night? Don't wear helmet ah

    The visor i'm using has 30% light transmittance and i think thats very reasonable. To sum up, this regulation should be removed and give riders additional comfort on the road.

    Just my personal opinion...

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    am juz wondering...why TP and ROV etc love to go after us bikers?? are we like sitting ducks fer em or they juz got some beef with us bikers?

    juz sharing with u fellow riders my own personal experience...

    i kena roadblock on my way back home one late sat nite...as usual slowed down and stopped when i reached the officer..

    killed my engine and raised my visor...(wearin full face tinted visor)..saw the TP looking at me one kind and i know deep down i'm in fer a rough time..

    he asked me if i've been drinking...said no and the standard SOP..(breath analyzer etc)

    then he stared at my helmet..he said y my visor tinted..i told him i ride daily to work with the glaring sun in my face in the morning and on my way back in the evening..i get blinded by the sun..i can't wear sunglasses as i need specs...so the next best thing is to get tinted visor...he stared at me and went to inspect my bike...

    he then picked on my full system exhaust..asked me start bike and blow till 7k rpm...i did as instructed...my pipe by then is slightly louder then as the packing inside is burned off due to usage (i guess so la...this is wat my mech tell me)..but it is def LEGAL...bought it from MW...gone thru inspection w/o any prob..then he accused me of getting illegal system...i took out my photocopied cert of approval from LTA...he looked at it and was clearly displeased that i've paper to back me up...

    by this time..some of his collegues had already gathered ard us to see wat's going on...i then heard one of em tellin him to let me go as their main objective is to catch the drink drivers..not penalise ppl fer this small things...

    i thank God that officer said that..God bless him

    he then handed me back the paper...he looked at me (and i could have sworn) he growled at me not to wear the tinted visor anymore or the next time i wun be so lucky... i wonder wat he meant...fine perhaps?

    this happen quiet a while back..early this yr...but upon readin this thread..the memory floods back and juz wanna share with the fellow bros and sis here...

    anyone had similar exp? or is it juz me that the authorities are pickin on us bikers more than car/lorries etc? how come they dun intercept those ****in lorries who go on center lane at expressways and are clearly travellin above the speed limit with load? whereas fer us bikes..they always seems to be in the 'correct' place at the 'correct' time?


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    Am thinking of getting an additional tinted visor for my helmet for day use as the sun sometimes is really too glaring!

    Contact lenses are too troublesome for me to put on if I want to use shades, so do you guys think I should go ahead?

    Besides, tinted visor looks so much cooler!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferdows View Post
    As the arguement upon psb approved helmet too......Some pple want to look nice with helmet while disregarding safety.
    look nice, don't want life?




    TP/LTA should go after the shops selling these toy helmets.

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    With effect from 1st July 2004, riders and pillions will be allowed to wear tinted visors which have at least 70% light transmittance.
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    i got stopped by TP and tiger squad when i wearing my monkey face helmet (smth like scrambler helmet) that doesnt have any psb approved stickers but both times never bother bout the helmet, i think most of them will close one eye regarding the psb sticker thing.

    Anyway why hasnt anyone thought of like removing the sticker from a cheap 40 approved helmet and just pasting it on your 400+ ff helmet? hahahahah. sorry abit lame but cant resist saying it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eyke View Post

    TP/LTA should go after the shops selling these toy helmets.
    That HAVE the PSB sticker.

    Alot of cheap Made in Thailand with coconut shell helmets have the PSB approved sticker on them.

    Alot of expensive Snell and DOT helmets do not have the PSB approved sticker on them....

    That is how expensive your head is to the authorities.


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    tio again... waste my money again...early in the morning i see ghost liao... haiz... and their child next time no hole.... no guts yet wanna act... ask them go jb la... see can ya ya again or not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabbaha View Post
    Anyway, is pillion alowed to wear tinted visor which less than 70%?
    My fren's pillion just gt caught for wearing tinted visor.summon the rider. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jengo View Post
    wad i really dun understand is dat isn't wearing shades or sunglasses d same as wearing tinted visors? i mean, ur eyes look thru the visors, n ur eyes also look thru d shades.

    if they wanna argue abt visability, well i can bet dat some of d shades are 110% fully tinted. i'm refering to those totally black shades.

    so wats d point? are'nt both of these applies the same function? looking thru a coloured field of vision?

    sum more visors help to protect from particles hitting ur face.

    if any TPs in d forum reading this. u might wanna consider voicing out to ur higher authorities.
    Just got stopped by TP for my visor recently and got fined 50 bucks regardless of our lengthy debate over why shades are allowed and tinted visors are not.

    Their logic is this(according to the f**** TP who stopped me):

    The difference between sunglasses and tinted visors is that, IF it rains, out of sudden a sudden on a sunny day, and it gets dark while you are wearing your sunglasses, you can take it off and flip down your clear visor. However, if you're using a tinted visor, you cant flip up your visor to allow yourself to see better, because the rain will hit your face and it will hurt and you will have to blink more and you will lose control and you will skid and you will fall and you will die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amireaux View Post
    Just got stopped by TP for my visor recently and got fined 50 bucks regardless of our lengthy debate over why shades are allowed and tinted visors are not.

    Their logic is this(according to the f**** TP who stopped me):

    The difference between sunglasses and tinted visors is that, IF it rains, out of sudden a sudden on a sunny day, and it gets dark while you are wearing your sunglasses, you can take it off and flip down your clear visor. However, if you're using a tinted visor, you cant flip up your visor to allow yourself to see better, because the rain will hit your face and it will hurt and you will have to blink more and you will lose control and you will skid and you will fall and you will die.
    lidat also can.. you tell him raining day i dont ride my bike.. i will park at shelter and wait for rain to stop..

    or u can say then sunglass i take out i put where? if i hang @ my tshirt i ride halfway the sunglass fly off and hit other ppl or cause them to skid and accident how?

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    What happen if i were to wear sunglasses with flipped up fully tinted visor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by revospeed View Post
    What happen if i were to wear sunglasses with flipped up fully tinted visor?
    like that even if the sun on top of ur head, its still be as dark as the darkest night.

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    Does anyone know where to get those legal 70% visors ? I heard they only come in light smoke right? What are the other 70% light transmission colours?

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    dun bother... the LTA 70% rule is as good as "No tinted visor allowed."
    just put 70% for show only...
    even the light smoke visors like only 65%, meaning if you buy, prepare to get fined. Its a scam !

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    just got a full face helmet without PSB sticker.. and it seems much harder and stronger den my MFIZZ evo 2... and comparing Evo 2 to roll bahn full face helmet.. evo 2 is much much softer:S like if u step on the helmet from the side will break anytime.. and its slightly tinted..

    will like to ask if anyone gt fine recently riding without PSB sticker..? and how much the fine is... heard from some guy that the fine would be 70$ and 3 demerit points.. is that true?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raptor View Post
    That HAVE the PSB sticker.

    Alot of cheap Made in Thailand with coconut shell helmets have the PSB approved sticker on them.

    Alot of expensive Snell and DOT helmets do not have the PSB approved sticker on them....

    That is how expensive your head is to the authorities.
    One of the reasons for this is because of the shops that bring in the helmets.

    the way the PSB gives out sticker i believe, is basically a shop, or someone who wants to get the sticker for a helmet, is that you buy several, and you have to give i'm not sure if it's one or several to the PSB people who will then do their own tests.

    The tests may not be up to the standards of SNELL or DOT, because I'm sure the SNELL and DOT standard tests are more intensive than what PSB has. (just my opinion, cause you can't buy a SNELL or DOT **** for $30)

    So for a shop to buy so many helmets and send to PSB and possibly not get it back, those bloody helmets better sell like hotcakes, if not a shop would probably say not worth their time and effort if 1 person special request for it.

    Not profitable mah.

    So the shops bring in the ones people will buy which is the cheapo ones, that pass PSB test, get sticker, that people who don't price their head that high buy (and there's quite a lot of them), and the shop make money.

    So what does the shop learn from that? Buy Cheap helmets, because more people want cheap helmets than the expensive ones. Bring in More varieties of cheapo ones than expensive ones because otherwise it's not that profitable.

    So even though i hate the whole PSB sticker thing, since now we have it and have to live with it, the only variable we can change in this continuous circle, is the fact that customers want to buy More expensive, safer helmets than the cheapo ones. Then the shop will stop bringing in cheapo ones, and bring in more expensive (nicer looking ones ). But this will never happen in Singapore. And i'm sure we all know why, it's because there will always be a market for cheap things.

     

     
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    can use 1 mirror or not uh?
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    where can get the approved 70% tinted visor for the evo helmet?





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    I love tinted visors especially chromed ones
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    anyone experienced a penalty for fixing transition lens on the visor?

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    anyone know where can find those double visor helmet? the one with the tinted visor on the inside that can be flipped down?

    and whether or not psb has approved them yet?

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    Well , we caused it , we voted them.

    I must have spend at least 2000$ on HDB parking fines , visor and traffic offenses.

    I'm sure all of us have our fair share in contributing to them.

    And Oh yes , they give us 200$ , two times a year. but this is nearing the voting session.

    After the votes are in their favour , you guys can expect what's going to come.

    Who suffer? we.

    Imma not gonna vote em neither my family.

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    Best to wear clear visor. TP don disturb =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maosi21 View Post
    anyone know where can find those double visor helmet? the one with the tinted visor on the inside that can be flipped down?

    and whether or not psb has approved them yet?
    Caberg and NoLan. Thats what i know of. Don't think PSB will approve as they are Expensive helmets. Singapore don't support Expensive helmet. They want you to die on the road wearing those cheapo helmets.

    Stopped by TP once, fined for tinted visor. Ask me how much is my helmet(non PSB), told him, he never fine me for that. TP also a rider, they "should" understand.

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    And i got fined today behind the coffee shop opposite ah boy de HDB Flat due to my visor was about 39%,sigh my $50.00.

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