Honda CB600F Hornet or Yamaha Fazer 600

[eugeneg]

Hi guys, I'm considering a hornet cb600f and fazer 600 naked. But both are equally good and price wise is very competitive. I've work out some findings as a background to facilitate the discussion. Could u give me some advise/feedback on their pros and cons e.g. technical specs, fuel consumption, price, value for money etc. thanks Hornet 600 (2007): Price - $14,960 (machine price w/o abs) Engine type - CBR600RR7 derived engine, Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 16-valve DOHC inline-4 Fuel system - Injection Transmission - 6-speed Front Suspension - 41mm inverted telescopic fork, 109mm axle travel Rear Suspension - Monoshock damper with 7-step adjustable preload, 128mm axle travel Front Brake Type - dual hydraulic disc with dual piston callipers Rear Brake Type - dual hydraulic disc with single piston callipers Fuel Tank Capacity - 19 litres (inclusive 4L reserve) Seat Height - 800mm Dry Weight - 173kg Fuel consumption - about 17km/l Power - 100bhp Colour - Black, Blue, Red and Gold/yellow Verdict - Honda has given us a new Honda CB600F Hornet for 2007. The only similarity to the old model is the name; it’s an entirely new bike running the same engine as their current CBR600RR. It shares the old Honda CB600F Hornet's qualities, it's easy to ride; great handling and fun. The new Honda CB600F Hornet should appeal to wide audience with its funky styling. Fazer 600 (2007): Price - $11,500 for naked and $12,000 for fairing (machine price w/o abs) Engine type - R6 derived engine, Liquid-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC inline-4 Fuel system - Injection Transmission - 6-speed Front Suspension - 43mm telescopic fork Rear Suspension - Swingarm (Linkless type Monocross) Front Brake Type - dual disc Rear Brake Type - single disc Fuel Tank Capacity - 19.4 litres (inclusive 3.5L reserve) Seat Height - 975mm Dry Weight - 180kg Fuel consumption - about 19 - 21km/l Power - 90bhp Colour - Black, White, Silver and Blue Verdict - Yamaha came up with this new alternative and it slots perfectly into the modern market. The Yamaha FZ6 Fazer looks sharp, has a brilliant motor, excellent handling and offers huge versatility. Towns, twisties and long treks… it can do it all. A great all-rounder.

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[enHANZed]

get a copy of oct's motor culture ...iirc they did a review on both of ur choices

[eugeneg]

thanks, will get a copy. maybe u would like to share your opinions here too.

[Red Riding Hood]

well, hv u been riding honda? r u a honda lover? if yes, get the honda. coz i regret getting the yamaha.

[skai]

well, hv u been riding honda? r u a honda lover? if yes, get the honda. coz i regret getting the yamaha.

why regret?

[enHANZed]

i also prefer honda's over yammies

[gohkm]

where can i buy oct's motor culture?

[eugeneg]

where can i buy oct's motor culture?

hi, u should be able to get it at all leading bookstores such as mph, times, borders, popular, kinokuniya etc. Can even try petrol kiosk or cheers convenient stores if they still have the stocks. I suggest getting from the bigger shops where they have plenty of stocks. cheers.

[Encik Pat]

Hi guys, I'm considering a hornet cb600f and fazer 600 naked. But both are equally good and price wise is very competitive. I've work out some findings as a background to facilitate the discussion. Could u give me some advise/feedback on their pros and cons e.g. technical specs, fuel consumption, price, value for money etc. thanks


Hornet 600 (2007):
Price - $15,300 machine (w/o abs)
Engine type - CBR600RR7 derived engine, Liquid-cooled 4-stroke 16-valve DOHC inline-4
Fuel system - Injection
Transmission - 6-speed
Front Suspension - 41mm inverted telescopic fork, 109mm axle travel
Rear Suspension - Monoshock damper with 7-step adjustable preload, 128mm axle travel
Front Brake Type - dual hydraulic disc with dual piston callipers
Rear Brake Type - dual hydraulic disc with single piston callipers
Fuel Tank Capacity - 19 litres (inclusive 4L reserve)
Seat Height - 800mm
Dry Weight - 173kg
Fuel consumption - about 17km/l
Colour - Black, Blue, Red and Gold/yellow
Verdict - Honda has given us a new Honda CB600F Hornet for 2007. The only similarity to the old model is the name; it’s an entirely new bike running the same engine as their current CBR600RR. It shares the old Honda CB600F Hornet's qualities, it's easy to ride; great handling and fun. The new Honda CB600F Hornet should appeal to wide audience with its funky styling.


Fazer 600 (2007):
Price - $13,800 machine (w/o abs)
Engine type - R6 derived engine, Liquid-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC inline-4
Fuel system - Injection
Transmission - 6-speed
Front Suspension - 43mm telescopic fork
Rear Suspension - Swingarm (Linkless type Monocross)
Front Brake Type - dual disc
Rear Brake Type - single disc
Fuel Tank Capacity - 19.4 litres (inclusive 3.5L reserve)
Seat Height - 975mm
Dry Weight - 180kg
Fuel consumption - about 20km/l
Colour - Black, White, Silver and Blue
Verdict - Yamaha came up with this new alternative and it slots perfectly into the modern market. The Yamaha FZ6 Fazer looks sharp, has a brilliant motor, excellent handling and offers huge versatility. Towns, twisties and long treks… it can do it all. A great all-rounder.

so fren, have u make up ur mind, which bike u getting

[warrior.c.o.n.p]

wow both bikes r nice.. but i prefer honda..

[Encik Pat]

naked vission of cos hornet la, new design mah, honda oso have better resale value, but i'm not sure abt the detail over some side, hornet got 75Hp FZ6s2 got 96Hp

[geekster]

The so-called new honda looks very similar to the current kawasaki Z750/Z1000. Bordering on plagiarsm in fact. Think the yamaha more stylo. But i think honda wins hands down in terms of reliability and agent support. Just my opinion.

[Hornet_Bike]

Though I personally like the looks of a Hornet ,
I would very much prefer some protection from the wind blast.

If you're seriously considering between these two bikes only,
the Fazer 600 would no doubt provide a more comfortable ride.
It has front-head fairings, EFI, underseat exhausts, main stand etc.

Maybe you should also consider getting 2nd hand bikes?
New bikes (esp. Class 2 ones) really depreciate a LOT in a span of a few months/yrs.
Alas, a bike is still a bike - fulltime transport and the occasional thrill.

[eugeneg]

so fren, have u make up ur mind, which bike u getting

haven actually decide cos no time to go down to the shop to physically see them. But based on my previous experience with super4, I somehow feel quite comfortable with the handling and not sure if fazer will be the same.

based on both specs, I think for an extra $1500, I will go for Hornet cos they offers better specs like inverted fork, double disc for rear brake and lighter in weight. plus what u said is true - better resale value.

[zelot]

naked vission of cos hornet la, new design mah, honda oso have better resale value, but i'm not sure abt the detail over some side, hornet got 75Hp FZ6s2 got 96Hp

hornet 75?
aint it 100-102 hp?

[eugeneg]

hornet 75?
aint it 100-102 hp?

I think what zelot mention is right. Hornet should have about 100bhp.

[Encik Pat]

hornet 75?
aint it 100-102 hp?

i don't know, saw some site say 75HP lo, but i think can not be la, not much info on this bike

[Encik Pat]

I think what zelot mention is right. Hornet should have about 100bhp.

so if you got the Hornet call me lo we go racing see who faster lo, winner get 1 cup of coffee

[eugeneg]

so if you got the Hornet call me lo we go racing see who faster lo, winner get 1 cup of coffee

but I wun be getting so soon. Must wait for a while till both price stabilised first, and fazer 08 is not here yet too.

btw, just called boon siew today to check the price for hornet 600, was quoted about $14960 machine price. Roughly about $17k+ otr.

Both prices seems to be very competitive, but my only concern is fuel consumption. Based on the old hornet version was about 17km/l while fazer offers 20km/l. That will be a difference of 57km per tank.

[warrior.c.o.n.p]

hey guys wanna check out the honda latest cbf600cc

[Encik Pat]

but I wun be getting so soon. Must wait for a while till both price stabilised first, and fazer 08 is not here yet too.

btw, just called boon siew today to check the price for hornet 600, was quoted about $14960 machine price. Roughly about $17k+ otr.

Both prices seems to be very competitive, but my only concern is fuel consumption. Based on the old hornet version was about 17km/l while fazer offers 20km/l. That will be a difference of 57km per tank.

if machine price is 15k, than + insur and this and that is abt 16k mah, y 17k la, i got fazer6s2 for everything + insu + contract fee + ERP all in for abt 14,3k

[eugeneg]

if machine price is 15k, than + insur and this and that is abt 16k mah, y 17k la, i got fazer6s2 for everything + insu + contract fee + ERP all in for abt 14,3k

dunno leh, thats what they quoted me, guess agent more ex bah. You actually got yourself a good deal. Where did u bought it from? I am considering the naked fz6 too.

[Encik Pat]

dunno leh, thats what they quoted me, guess agent more ex bah. You actually got yourself a good deal. Where did u bought it from? I am considering the naked fz6 too.

i think you know bike production rite, alot ppl say they are cheaper,
i go to a few shop and confirm they are very much cheaper and they give a very good trade in too, but don't know what your age, to somebody younger i'm uncle o-ready, so insur cheaper, try asking them la

[mamat]

i'll go or the Hornet.great engine,great new clours,looks better than previous models

[Weltall]

i think you know bike production rite, alot ppl say they are cheaper,
i go to a few shop and confirm they are very much cheaper and they give a very good trade in too, but don't know what your age, to somebody younger i'm uncle o-ready, so insur cheaper, try asking them la

Hi,
i also bought my FZ6s2 from bike production...i got it for 14k otr..26yrs old..best offer i could find ..trade in also gd value..Do check the shop out

[Encik Pat]

Hi,
i also bought my FZ6s2 from bike production...i got it for 14k otr..26yrs old..best offer i could find ..trade in also gd value..Do check the shop out

I book from BP already, collection in about 10 days time, waiting for COE lo

[gohkm]

FZ6s2 OTR 14+K
CB600 OTR 17+K
Difference of 3+K with the same 600cc engine. So hows the fuel comsumption and the capacity of engine oil of FZ6 and CB600?

[eugeneg]

FZ6s2 OTR 14+K
CB600 OTR 17+K
Difference of 3+K with the same 600cc engine. So hows the fuel comsumption and the capacity of engine oil of FZ6 and CB600?

In terms of fuel consumption, based on the old hornet version was about 17km/l (2007 version was just out) while fazer offers 20km/l. Oil capacity is 3.4 litres for fazer and 3.5 litres for hornet, not much difference.

[eugeneg]

hi guys, saw a site that features yamaha fazer next generation phototype design, damn nice!! but may have to wait a few years more...

also attached, I have a hornet 600 brochure for those interested and wana know more.

[Encik Pat]

hi guys, saw a site that features yamaha fazer next generation phototype design, damn nice!! but may have to wait a few years more...

also attached, I have a hornet 600 brochure for those interested and wana know more.

WOW Fazer new model is it? very sweeeeeeeee, don't know expensive or not, if abt the same than go for fazer

[Speedpass]

hi guys, saw a site that features yamaha fazer next generation phototype design, damn nice!! but may have to wait a few years more...

also attached, I have a hornet 600 brochure for those interested and wana know more.

Those pics were out quite long ago n were photshopped images of speculation for the 07FZ6 . Notice the similarities of the r6 ?

[hachi]

H6 looked really wicked for a naked bike...All the "bling" factors were in.
On the other hand FZ6 as a naked bike doesnt look as wonderful as H6 but if you were to tour, the fairing on the FZ6 would be very much appreciated if you were to travel at high speed.

Both have their pros and cons....The saving of buying a yammy
is too good to be true...3k you can include lots of mod to make the bike looked wicked.....

[rocketman2]

hi all, i dunt know if this wld help but here's my mini review of riding on the hornet so far.
i picked up the non abs from mah as boon siew's price was too much the other time. after riding ard for abt 2000 in 2 months, the bike seems to have fitted in fine. riding wise i'd say itz pretty nimble.
I have not had the chance to ride on the fazer but having s seat on both, the hornet surprised me with the size, itz smaller than the fazer, almost similar to the s4. on normal day to day riding, fuel consumption wise is abt 17l, same as what you guys have pointed out but itz running on the new cbr6 engine so it will give u more top end power, i guess thatz where the 100+hp kicks in.
for me i've used more of the low end rpm, ard 5k~6krpm. after riding on a road trip recently, fuel consumption on the highway is ard 22km/l? i enjoyed the trip but wished there was a screen.
u can def pick up after market stuff, such as the screen n hugger for abt 180 each down at motoworld. accessories wise, i'd say they are available finally such as a protective film from AR2 perf, tank bra and what not. the luggage rack is available too for abt 620 wif a hb topcase junior.

hope this helps
.

[swoosh]

Rocketman2
Thanks for the mini review, i am now one step closer in making my decision...

[Blahhh]

damn, hornet's a gorgeous bike..

[Encik Pat]

damn, hornet's a gorgeous bike..

op_jection op_jection, BIG bike must look big la, got one guy say when he washing his Fazer1 and someone ask him is it a 250cc, so if the hornet ppl will ask is it a rxz la

[22022002]

so where is the best price to get a hornet 600?IM 22 this year?can share lobang?

[eugeneg]

so where is the best price to get a hornet 600?IM 22 this year?can share lobang?

not sure which is the 'BEST' value for money motorshop. but there are some reputable ones like Bike Production, ASPhoon, Loois Motor, Mah motor. And even 0% interest-free if u have a credit card with DBS at Wing Yap (depends on your credit limits)

I suggest u call up these shops 1st before going down, get a list of potential shops that offers good price via phone conversation, and then go down and bargain for more.

From phone, u can roughly know the machine price, otr price with insurance included. Then, physically go down and ask for free gifts like helmets, bike cover, top box etc.

Good luck on your search. Do update us on your research experience and things like that.

[Blahhh]

op_jection op_jection, BIG bike must look big la, got one guy say when he washing his Fazer1 and someone ask him is it a 250cc, so if the hornet ppl will ask is it a rxz la

big bike look small, nevermind. Still got power mah. Small bike look big = zZzzZzzz!!!

[Encik Pat]

big bike look small, nevermind. Still got power mah. Small bike look big = zZzzZzzz!!!

ya lo ya lo,same same la, can go touring will do, Wooooooo Wooooo

[Encik Pat]

yello guy/gal.... don't just vote la... say something abt the bike why u chose this and not that, or u have try de bike and how u feel.
i will be good for those looking for a new bike

[eugeneg]

well said!! thats what we started this thread for. forums needs to be active then fun mah, if no exchange might as well read from magazines or newspaper. Upz for patricklby

[Encik Pat]

well said!! thats what we started this thread for. forums needs to be active then fun mah, if no exchange might as well read from magazines or newspaper. Upz for patricklby

long time not see u post lao, that day i went to MAH motor and i looking at the Hornet, and i don't really like it much cos it feel more like a S4, just my point of view, ar-la-ma can not re-vote

[Ah_Pet]

a clip on Honda 600 Hornet, Kawasaki Z 750, Suzuki GSR 600, Yamaha FZ6... sad thing is not english version..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oZfWkSzM28

btw like no body compair GSR600 hor?

[Encik Pat]

a clip on Honda 600 Hornet, Kawasaki Z 750, Suzuki GSR 600, Yamaha FZ6... sad thing is not english version..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oZfWkSzM28

btw like no body compair GSR600 hor?

maybe you can start a thread --- GSR600 or Hornet600
FZ6 & GSR600 can not compare la, each got their own supporter lao

[DM]

riding the fazer s2 now, also regret getting it lol
before the yamaha supporters shoot me down, let me explain why
the engine is too peaky, feels like a 400 at low revs, travelling in the carpark need to gear shift many times. the front sumitomo radial brakes suggest superbike stopping power but they are just average. the front forks are telescopic BUDGET DAMPING ROD FORKS, yes you get what you pay for, pay peanuts, get monkeys, this i agree. my forks dived in a LOT once when i u-turned sharply to avoid a mad cyclist. really scary, felt like the front was going to lose it.

the forks hop around more than mexican jumping beans at any chance they can get. even on the eway, small bumps and uneven surfaces feel like they are harshly damped by the forks. if you're loaded, you can opt for matris cartridge fork emulators (or get a bike with stock cartridge forks). the stock forks just look nice, that's it.

i don't know if the hornet is packed with catalytic converters but the fazer has 3. 2 at the bottom manifold and 1 more when the 2 pipes converge after the former cats. even as a naked bike, it runs hot. some(not me) blame it on too many catalytic converters retaining the exhaust heat close to the bike. then again, i have not ridden many bikes so forgive me if i just state what i observe.

imho, the only saving grace about this bike is it's top end and the pretty useful fairing(this one i don't regret getting). ride it hard like the r6 and the stupid sewing machine sound exhaust actually roars. the rpms climb steadily and it feels like she wants more. then again, i expect the same from any other middleweight inline 4.

hopefully someone riding the new efi hornet can post their opinions and help the TS to answer his question.

[eugeneg]

long time not see u post lao, that day i went to MAH motor and i looking at the Hornet, and i don't really like it much cos it feel more like a S4, just my point of view, ar-la-ma can not re-vote

yo bro, was busy these periods so din login often. I kinda prefer the specs that hornet offered rather than its outlook. after viewing at totalpet's youtube video, I actually grow more inclined towards hornet 600 now. it is apparent that the CBR600RR's 100bhp engine is better and more powerful, although the Z750 has the best engine especially for the recoveries power.

enfant's feedback also very useful, as I also heard my friend complained about the jumpy fork and hot exhaust before. In the end, he changed his exhaust to after-market carbon fibre material (supposedly less hot but still hot) and did some adjustment to his shock to make it smoother. in my view, if i'm gonna go thru these process to get an ideal bike, why not spend a bit more and get an almost perfect specs - the hornet.

what do u guys think??

[Encik Pat]

what do u guys think??

i think.....
THINK ONLY Ar if it is good for touring
but still better go shop and have a feel of the bike

i'm going to collect my Fazer6s2 next week and enfant o-ready regret,
oso can not don't buy lao

ai_ya i think if we chose a 600 and the underseat exhaust we should have expert something like that lo,
maybe you can think of buying a 1000cc one, if not maybe u may regret oso ha....ha,,,,,ha.....

[swoosh]

For me, pillion comfort is one of the main criteria. In this respect ,the Hornet 600 got the thumbs up from my the other half.

[eugeneg]

Hi, for those who are interested in the Suzuki GSR600, I have worked out some details here for comparisons and justified the reasons why I never consider to compare with the hornet and fazer in the first place. These are the followings:

1. small fuel tank - only 16.5L inclusive reserve (hornet 19L & fazer 19.4L)
2. heavy weight - 183kg (hornet 173kg fazer 180kg)
3. possibly lower in resale value compared to the common hornet and fazer

You may see otherwise, but imho, in terms of practicality and value for money, I strongly support either the hornet or fazer in the class of 600cc.

Suzuki GSR 600 (2006):
Price - $15,800 (OTR price w/o abs)
Engine type - 4-stroke, 4-cylinder, DOHC, 16-valve, liquid-cooled
Fuel system - Injection
Transmission - 6-speed
Front Suspension - Telescopic, 43mm inner tube, preload adjustable
Rear Suspension - Progressive linkage, adjustable rebound/preload
Front Brake Type - 4-piston calipers, 310mm dual discs
Rear Brake Type - Single-piston caliper, disc
Fuel Tank Capacity - 16.5 litres (inclusive reserve)
Seat Height - 785mm
Dry Weight - 183kg
Fuel consumption - about 15-17km/l
Power - 90bhp
Colour - Black, Blue, Red and Silver
Verdict - It’s a perfectly acceptable ride, but to be honest the Suzuki GSR600 adds almost nothing to the biking world – especially when Suzuki’s own Bandit 600 (and 650 version) does exactly the same job for less money than the Suzuki GSR600. The brakes are conventional rather than the new radially mounted variety. The forks are not upside down, which is even more shocking to the pack mentality. But in terms of styling, the GSR, based on the futuristic B-King concept bike unveiled in 2001, was promoted as a wild, wanton and lascivious street-harpie. Anticipation was heightened by descriptions including "modern art meets race technology".