The Honda NC700 series

[samsontok]

Well done Lexanez, you wake up 5am just to explain a clearer picture.

[Lexanez]

Well done Lexanez, you wake up 5am just to explain a clearer picture.

Thanks. Yeah, woke up early to get some gaming time before I had to go off to give tuition later, looks like I won't be having too much gaming time now!

[samsontok]

Thanks. Yeah, woke up early to get some gaming time before I had to go off to give tuition later, looks like I won't be having too much gaming time now!

You are a teacher?

[Lexanez]

You are a teacher?

Mmm, more accurately, a tutor.

[stsoh]

very well done Lexanez but u miss out kawasaki er-6n, btw is the direct competitor.
after all the illustrations by Lexanez, up to then nobody to ask questions about the nc700 negatives.
am tech geek like all, interest in new tech but will ask simple questions.
no sale for me.
well done Lexanez again.
u painted a very clear pictures for us, thank u for all ur effort.

additional note:
just in case, for those whom does not know the difference between torque n hp.
take for example, diesel n petrol engines.
if u carry a heavy load, torque is needed.
just like lorry can carry heavy loads n doesnt have to move fast.
whereas a passenger car does not need so much torques n move around swiftly fast with four passengers.
a bike doesnt needs a lot of torques, we need lots of hp, a stallion.
tat why hp sells n not torque, a stallion vs a work horse.

[Chemol]

just in case, for those whom does not know the difference between torque n hp.
take for example, diesel n petrol engines.
if u carry a heavy load, torque is needed.
just like lorry can carry heavy loads n doesnt have to move fast.
whereas a passenger car does not need so much torques n move around swiftly fast with four passengers.
a bike doesnt needs a lot of torques, we need lots of hp, a stallion.
tat why hp sells n not torque, a stallion vs a work horse.

Torque and hp go hand in hand. In general, the greater the hp, the greater the torque. What determines top speed is max hp. How it gets there is dependent on the torque curve.

Torque affects acceleration, or drivability. Max hp has little to do with it.

A lorry has loads of torque, and loads of hp.

Using one number, max hp, to screen bikes ignores many factors that determines a good ride.

[samsontok]

I read a US forum regarding NC & they are not in favour with the bike. They mentioned about low HP etc....

After months & tested the bike, they started to accept now...

I have been reading NC forum from the world since Feb 2012 & I would say is not a bad bike after all.

At the moment, there are more after market accessories for NCX than NCS.

For those who are interested should be able to find out performance outcome after Aug 2012.

[stsoh]

Torque and hp go hand in hand. In general, the greater the hp, the greater the torque. What determines top speed is max hp. How it gets there is dependent on the torque curve.

Torque affects acceleration, or drivability. Max hp has little to do with it.

A lorry has loads of torque, and loads of hp.

Using one number, max hp, to screen bikes ignores many factors that determines a good ride.

study more about physics n find out more about hp.
its all about the amount work done in amount of time.

[stsoh]

I read a US forum regarding NC & they are not in favour with the bike. They mentioned about low HP etc....

After months & tested the bike, they started to accept now...

I have been reading NC forum from the world since Feb 2012 & I would say is not a bad bike after all.

At the moment, there are more after market accessories for NCX than NCS.

For those who are interested should be able to find out performance outcome after Aug 2012.

hope it sell well in usa, those guys n gals weights r double ours.
they do need a truck to ferry from a2b. joking, dun take it too hard.

[samsontok]

hope it sell well in usa, those guys n gals weights r double ours.
they do need a truck to ferry from a2b. joking, dun take it too hard.

Honestly, is too early to comment now till more bikers bought it.

[stsoh]

here the two direct competitors of p-twin, honda nc700sa vs kawasaki er-6n.

honda nc700sa, 670cc p-twin engine:
Max. Power Output 35 kW/6,250min-1 (95/1/EC)
Max. Torque 60Nm/4,750min-1 (95/1/EC)

kawasaki er-6n, 649cc p-twin engine:
Maximum Power‡ 53 kW {72.1 PS} / 8,500 rpm
Maximum Torque‡ 64 N.m {6.5 kgf.m} / 7,000 rpm

which will u be grin ear2ear when riding any one of these??
i dun know from my exp, i favor kawa.

[samsontok]

here the two direct competitors of p-twin, honda nc700sa vs kawasaki er-6n.

honda nc700sa, 670cc p-twin engine:
Max. Power Output 35 kW/6,250min-1 (95/1/EC)
Max. Torque 60Nm/4,750min-1 (95/1/EC)

kawasaki er-6n, 649cc p-twin engine:
Maximum Power‡ 53 kW {72.1 PS} / 8,500 rpm
Maximum Torque‡ 64 N.m {6.5 kgf.m} / 7,000 rpm

which will u be grin ear2ear when riding any one of these??
i dun know from my exp, i favor kawa.

Honest point of view from me, I will choose Honda.

I don't mind lower power because I hardly speed, I had good experience with Honda bikes but not Kawa. I used to ride ZX4 & ZX7 years back, engine is rather rough & repair cost is high.

I rode a few Honda bikes years back too but yet to encounter any breakdown other than wears & tears.

Just my 02 cents.

[stsoh]

from my exp, try not to buy 1st gen bike cos many things have not tested n trial out thoroughly.
those whom bought first gen bike r their testers n second gen will have improve parts.
always get the second or maybe if there r third gen becos bike manufacturers turn out new models every 2 or 3 yrs.
hayabusa is one good example of reliability cos it has been production for many yrs with minor changes.

[samsontok]

from my exp, try not to buy 1st gen bike cos many things have not tested n trial out thoroughly.
those whom bought first gen bike r their testers n second gen will have improve parts.
always get the second or maybe if there r third gen becos bike manufacturers turn out new models every 2 or 3 yrs.
hayabusa is one good example of reliability cos it has been production for many yrs with minor changes.

Agreed with you & you might be right.

I own a first batch Honda CB400 Ver S which not a single a bike on the road at that time, the bike is still with me now & for the past 16 years it yet give me any big issue.

Luck can be the factor too.

Hope the first batch NC will not have any issue too.

[Chemol]

study more about physics n find out more about hp.
its all about the amount work done in amount of time.

I reckon I should know something about physics.

You're correct, in that power is energy/time. Horsepower is just a unit of measurement. The number quoted in bikes refers to the max power over the rev band, typically close to the red line. For a given load (bike+rider), this number describes the maximum amount of energy/time available to overcome the forces against the moving bike (air resistance, friction etc). It is easy to relate that more power=more resistance overcomed, ergo greater top speed, for the same bike+rider.

Here's a suggestion. Have some understanding of a subject before posting. It is fine to ask questions when one is clueless. It is another to believe one isn't.

[stsoh]

i just read an article from down under Australia, feature cfmoto 650nk 70hp motorcycle similar to kawa er-6n.
bike cost about au$6k (aprox s$8k), made in china by chunfeng co.
sold mostly to their most demanding customers, aust farmers.
of course quality unlike japan but s$8k tats less than half price of kawa/honda.

[IvikaRazI]

The nc700x in action....can hit 190km/h in the vid.

[sontorianz]

any idea whats the price of the nc700x?

[MR BIKER]

Many standard bikes of middle class of 600cc and V-twin or parallel twin can get 110mph which is about 176km per hr. depending on wind condition and age of bike and technology, it is no surprise 190km/hr. my previous deauville was getting 120kmhr effortlessly.

[xunknownz]

Well, apologies there but I'll have to disagree with you.

The NC700X (670cc Parallel Twin) comes in 3 models. Base, C-ABS and C-ABS cum DCT.

Aside from that, the NC700 series includes the NC700X, NC700S, Integra.

The NC700S and NC700X comes in the 3 models stated above but only the NC700X C-ABS cum DCT model has higher power which is 38.1 kW @ 6,250rpm and 62Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm, the rest is at 35kW @ 6,250rpm and 60Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm.

The Integra, like the NC700X DCT is also at 38.1kW @ 6,250rpm and 62Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm.

Now let's compare these paper figures to NT700V, CBF600 (One of the most popular 600cc around in Europe and other countries) and the bike which you mentioned, FZ600 S2. Oh, let's throw in the GSR600 for comparison too!

The NT700V have 48.3 kW (65 hp) @ 8,000 rpm and 66.2 Nm (48.8 lb·ft) @ 6,500 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Deauville)

The CBF600 have 57 kW @ 10500 rpm and 59 Nm @ 8000 rpm
(Source: http://www.motorera.com/honda/h0600/cbf600.htm)

The FZ600 S2 have 72 kW (98 PS) (97HP) @ 12,000 rpm and 63.1 Nm (46.5 lbf·ft) @ 10,000 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FZ6)

The GSR600 have 68 kW (90 bhp) @ 12,000 rpm and 59.7 Nm (44.1 lb.ft) @ 9,750 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSR600)

One thing to take note though, between different engine types such as In-line 4, V-twin and P-twin, you can't really compare how is it like as it is pretty unfair to look at just purely horsepower figures. Remember, these engines aren't the detuned version of In-line 4s but entirely different engines altogether.

Inline 4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline-four_engine

V-twin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-twin_engine

Parallel twin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel-twin_engine

Now as you can see, the various figures above have shown that it is pretty clear that the NC700 series have the greatest torque of 62Nm at a low rpm of 4,750rpm but however, the lowest power at a modest 38.1kW.

This means that the NC700 series are tuned for low end torque and designed like a car due to its low rpm, maxed out at 6,500rpm but it will run out of rpm before 200km/h, it has only a top speed of 197km/h as shown in a video.

What the power rating does, just means that all of the bikes above are gonna beat the NC700 in a flat out, straight road long distance race. However, the NC700 will shine in start/stop riding and city rides as its admirable torque at low rpm will allow it to zip around easily.

Detuning a bike is not a bad thing, really. As in the case of NC700, what Honda did was to significantly increase the low-end response of the bike for usage in real-time riding as most bikers could't really hit above 120km/h in cities and crowded highways, allowing the rider to reach his destination at the shortest time possible.

Now, lets look at fuel economy of the above bikes based on Manufacturers' specifications

The NC700 series gets bout 64MPG (27.2km/l)
(Source: http://powersports.honda.com/2012/nc...fications.aspx)

The NT700V Deauville gets about 49MPG (20.8km/l)
(Source: http://powersports.honda.com/2011/nt...fications.aspx)

The CBF600 gets 45.9mpg (19.5km/l) (Apologies if I took the liberty to convert UK MPG to US MPG)
(Source: http://www.doble.co.uk/theBikes/newB...bikeRefNo=1324)

The Yamaha FZ600 S2 yields 43MPG (18.2km/l)
(Source: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...9/0/specs.aspx)

The GSR 600 obtain bout 42MPG (17.9km/l)
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSR600)

Given the above fuel consumption, the NC700 yields the best among the above. This would again apply onto real world concept as given current gas prices, it would make your gas consumption as low as possible.

Now, with the above characteristics, the NC700 fits the bill of being a commuter. The torque and low gas consumption would make it appealing to the everyday city rider with the tendency of an occasional tour, is it not what most people are? This bike was never designed to go track or go incredible distance within a short period of time or serious dirt biking, for that purposes, you have other specifically tailored bikes.

One more thing though, the numbers that you quoted for the VFR1200F and VFR1200FD confuses me. Honda South Africa have stated that these 2 bikes have the same power and torque.

As seen here, under the 'Engine' heading.

http://www.honda.co.za/showspecs.asp...st=194,218,187

MCN, however quoted different figures. All MPG figures are in UK MPG which is higher than US MPG. I lol'ed at the one for VFR1200F and VFR1200F DCT

I used this to convert the different MPG values.
http://www.markporthouse.net/rangie/...onversion.htm#

The NT700V Deauville
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2006-current/

The CBF600
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...2004--current/

The FZ600S2
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...er-1998-2004-/

The GSR600
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2006-current/

The VFR1200F
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2010-current/

The VFR1200F DCT
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2010-current/

Well, now onto popularity of these bikes.

The NT700V have received good reception across Europe and is a pretty popular bike. These 2 articles would prove it. Well, the NV700 is just the US naming of the NT700V.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/117/53...irst-Ride.aspx
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...v-ar79405.html
http://www.productreview.com.au/p/ho...deauville.html

I have no idea of what a "gt bro" is but the nearest I got is the Honda Hawk GT NT650, the Japanese model was called "Bros". The PC800 Pacific Coast was the forerunner to side opening cases that the NT700, ST1300 sported.
These 2 bikes are old bikes which cease production in 1991 and 1998 respectively so they are old bikes. However, both have their own cult following as a simple Google search will yield forums dedicated to these 2 bikes. Information below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NT650
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pacific_Coast


Also, why not add these?

The African Twin, a V-twin with a massive following from many countries boosted a modest 45.3 kW (62 hp) @ 7500 rpm and 62.7 Nm @ 6000 rpm. This bike is a hugely popular dual sport with many people hoping for a new update in the near future, since production of the bike was ceased in 2003.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50630
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod..._xrv750_98.htm

The Versys 650, a parallel twin with 47 kW (64 hp) @ 8000 rpm and 61 Nm @ 6800 rpm is a huge success in Europe, Britain and Malaysia. It is also awarded Motorcycle of the year on the "Motor Cycle News", a British magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Versys
http://londonbikers.com/news/10514/k...stigious-award

Let's make a balance. The DN-01.
This did not take off in any manner due to its peculiar outlook and a "Crossover" between a Scooter and a Tourer. Primarily due to its lack of storage space, low loading tolerance and high pricing that ultimately push it away from the minds of people to other models instead.
Read somewhere that a dealer called it "Do Not Order 1". Funny stuffs but still, a bike to consider if it weren't so expensive!
Human Friendly Transmission is pretty cool though.


Lastly, here's a video from Honda to tell you what DCT actually is.

What a detail comparision! Thumbs up!
Couldnt agree more.

[bitx]

Well, apologies there but I'll have to disagree with you.

The NC700X (670cc Parallel Twin) comes in 3 models. Base, C-ABS and C-ABS cum DCT.

Aside from that, the NC700 series includes the NC700X, NC700S, Integra.

The NC700S and NC700X comes in the 3 models stated above but only the NC700X C-ABS cum DCT model has higher power which is 38.1 kW @ 6,250rpm and 62Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm, the rest is at 35kW @ 6,250rpm and 60Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm.

The Integra, like the NC700X DCT is also at 38.1kW @ 6,250rpm and 62Nm of torque @ 4,750rpm.

Now let's compare these paper figures to NT700V, CBF600 (One of the most popular 600cc around in Europe and other countries) and the bike which you mentioned, FZ600 S2. Oh, let's throw in the GSR600 for comparison too!

The NT700V have 48.3 kW (65 hp) @ 8,000 rpm and 66.2 Nm (48.8 lb·ft) @ 6,500 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Deauville)

The CBF600 have 57 kW @ 10500 rpm and 59 Nm @ 8000 rpm
(Source: http://www.motorera.com/honda/h0600/cbf600.htm)

The FZ600 S2 have 72 kW (98 PS) (97HP) @ 12,000 rpm and 63.1 Nm (46.5 lbf·ft) @ 10,000 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_FZ6)

The GSR600 have 68 kW (90 bhp) @ 12,000 rpm and 59.7 Nm (44.1 lb.ft) @ 9,750 rpm
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSR600)

One thing to take note though, between different engine types such as In-line 4, V-twin and P-twin, you can't really compare how is it like as it is pretty unfair to look at just purely horsepower figures. Remember, these engines aren't the detuned version of In-line 4s but entirely different engines altogether.

Inline 4
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline-four_engine

V-twin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-twin_engine

Parallel twin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel-twin_engine

Now as you can see, the various figures above have shown that it is pretty clear that the NC700 series have the greatest torque of 62Nm at a low rpm of 4,750rpm but however, the lowest power at a modest 38.1kW.

This means that the NC700 series are tuned for low end torque and designed like a car due to its low rpm, maxed out at 6,500rpm but it will run out of rpm before 200km/h, it has only a top speed of 197km/h as shown in a video.

What the power rating does, just means that all of the bikes above are gonna beat the NC700 in a flat out, straight road long distance race. However, the NC700 will shine in start/stop riding and city rides as its admirable torque at low rpm will allow it to zip around easily.

Detuning a bike is not a bad thing, really. As in the case of NC700, what Honda did was to significantly increase the low-end response of the bike for usage in real-time riding as most bikers could't really hit above 120km/h in cities and crowded highways, allowing the rider to reach his destination at the shortest time possible.

Now, lets look at fuel economy of the above bikes based on Manufacturers' specifications

The NC700 series gets bout 64MPG (27.2km/l)
(Source: http://powersports.honda.com/2012/nc...fications.aspx)

The NT700V Deauville gets about 49MPG (20.8km/l)
(Source: http://powersports.honda.com/2011/nt...fications.aspx)

The CBF600 gets 45.9mpg (19.5km/l) (Apologies if I took the liberty to convert UK MPG to US MPG)
(Source: http://www.doble.co.uk/theBikes/newB...bikeRefNo=1324)

The Yamaha FZ600 S2 yields 43MPG (18.2km/l)
(Source: http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...9/0/specs.aspx)

The GSR 600 obtain bout 42MPG (17.9km/l)
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GSR600)

Given the above fuel consumption, the NC700 yields the best among the above. This would again apply onto real world concept as given current gas prices, it would make your gas consumption as low as possible.

Now, with the above characteristics, the NC700 fits the bill of being a commuter. The torque and low gas consumption would make it appealing to the everyday city rider with the tendency of an occasional tour, is it not what most people are? This bike was never designed to go track or go incredible distance within a short period of time or serious dirt biking, for that purposes, you have other specifically tailored bikes.

One more thing though, the numbers that you quoted for the VFR1200F and VFR1200FD confuses me. Honda South Africa have stated that these 2 bikes have the same power and torque.

As seen here, under the 'Engine' heading.

http://www.honda.co.za/showspecs.asp...st=194,218,187

MCN, however quoted different figures. All MPG figures are in UK MPG which is higher than US MPG. I lol'ed at the one for VFR1200F and VFR1200F DCT

I used this to convert the different MPG values.
http://www.markporthouse.net/rangie/...onversion.htm#

The NT700V Deauville
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2006-current/

The CBF600
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...2004--current/

The FZ600S2
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...er-1998-2004-/

The GSR600
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2006-current/

The VFR1200F
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2010-current/

The VFR1200F DCT
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bi...-2010-current/

Well, now onto popularity of these bikes.

The NT700V have received good reception across Europe and is a pretty popular bike. These 2 articles would prove it. Well, the NV700 is just the US naming of the NT700V.
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/117/53...irst-Ride.aspx
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...v-ar79405.html
http://www.productreview.com.au/p/ho...deauville.html

I have no idea of what a "gt bro" is but the nearest I got is the Honda Hawk GT NT650, the Japanese model was called "Bros". The PC800 Pacific Coast was the forerunner to side opening cases that the NT700, ST1300 sported.
These 2 bikes are old bikes which cease production in 1991 and 1998 respectively so they are old bikes. However, both have their own cult following as a simple Google search will yield forums dedicated to these 2 bikes. Information below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NT650
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Pacific_Coast


Also, why not add these?

The African Twin, a V-twin with a massive following from many countries boosted a modest 45.3 kW (62 hp) @ 7500 rpm and 62.7 Nm @ 6000 rpm. This bike is a hugely popular dual sport with many people hoping for a new update in the near future, since production of the bike was ceased in 2003.
http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50630
http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/mod..._xrv750_98.htm

The Versys 650, a parallel twin with 47 kW (64 hp) @ 8000 rpm and 61 Nm @ 6800 rpm is a huge success in Europe, Britain and Malaysia. It is also awarded Motorcycle of the year on the "Motor Cycle News", a British magazine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Versys
http://londonbikers.com/news/10514/k...stigious-award

Let's make a balance. The DN-01.
This did not take off in any manner due to its peculiar outlook and a "Crossover" between a Scooter and a Tourer. Primarily due to its lack of storage space, low loading tolerance and high pricing that ultimately push it away from the minds of people to other models instead.
Read somewhere that a dealer called it "Do Not Order 1". Funny stuffs but still, a bike to consider if it weren't so expensive!
Human Friendly Transmission is pretty cool though.


Lastly, here's a video from Honda to tell you what DCT actually is.

great post, took me almost 30mins to try to finish the articles but unachievable

[bitx]

The nc700x in action....can hit 190km/h in the vid.

read from the nc700 owners forum, some are unable to reach excess of 170km/hr, perhaps have to redline at every gear inorder to hit 190km/hr?

anyway i'm too old for those kind of speeds, sometimes can't even find my balls...

[bitx]

Agreed with you & you might be right.

I own a first batch Honda CB400 Ver S which not a single a bike on the road at that time, the bike is still with me now & for the past 16 years it yet give me any big issue.

Luck can be the factor too.

Hope the first batch NC will not have any issue too.

just don't get a lemon.. heard horror stories on lemon bikes and cars. those owners must be thinking why get new vehicles in the first place.

[emilsee]

Would like to check whether any of the NC700S riders here are ex-super four riders?
Quite keen on NC700S but would like to check whether how does it compare to the super four riding experience.
I am riding a super four revo now and i know it's not a "apple to apple" comparison.
Hope to have some inputs from owners here on the following.

1) Pick up compared to superfour (though i know the torque stats on paper but i just wish to know the diff, comment on with vtec and without vtec)
2) riding posture (superfour abit leaning forwards, i prefer more upright which puts lesser pressure on wrist.)
3) front compartment (thinking of not installing top box but hope to squeeze 1 M size open helmet, taichi drymaster X raincoat, bike cover, parking coupons and poncho for pillion)
4) how much is 2nd party insurance & road tax.
5) Overseas websites mentioned CBS (Combined ABS) is standard. Is it true?
6) brakes stopping power (NC700S only 1 big front brake disc,revo has 2 front brake disc, i think alot super four riders know about the poor stock front brakes)
7) bike made in jap?
8) Instruction manual - English or Jap?


Hope to hear inputs from owners.
Thankyou in advance.

Regards,
Emil.

[emilsee]

duplicate post

[newblood]

Would like to check whether any of the NC700S riders here are ex-super four riders?
Quite keen on NC700S but would like to check whether how does it compare to the super four riding experience.
I am riding a super four revo now and i know it's not a "apple to apple" comparison.
Hope to have some inputs from owners here on the following.

1) Pick up compared to superfour (though i know the torque stats on paper but i just wish to know the diff, comment on with vtec and without vtec)
2) riding posture (superfour abit leaning forwards, i prefer more upright which puts lesser pressure on wrist.)
3) front compartment (thinking of not installing top box but hope to squeeze 1 M size open helmet, taichi drymaster X raincoat, bike cover, parking coupons and poncho for pillion)
4) how much is 2nd party insurance & road tax.
5) Overseas websites mentioned CBS (Combined ABS) is standard. Is it true?
6) brakes stopping power (NC700S only 1 big front brake disc,revo has 2 front brake disc, i think alot super four riders know about the poor stock front brakes)
7) bike made in jap?
8) Instruction manual - English or Jap?


Hope to hear inputs from owners.
Thankyou in advance.

Regards,
Emil.

hi i owned a Super4 spec two before.. and rode a spec3 and revo dat is being used for work purposes.

riding the NC700s now.. previosu bike a fazer, spark, x1r, x1, super4 , black bird, KRR,

1) Pick up compared to superfour (though i know the torque stats on paper but i just wish to know the diff, comment on with vtec and without vtec)

ans: pick up wise. due to the torque and low rev RPM. u cant drag the bike like super 4 can. have to change when reach certain low rpm. for super4 its vtec kick in at certain rpm and u can feel it by the sound of the pipe and engine. the NC700s with the twist of the throttle u can feel that its going faster but without any vtech sound.

2) riding posture (superfour abit leaning forwards, i prefer more upright which puts lesser pressure on wrist.)

ans: the nc700s is definitely more upwright i must say when comparing with super4... im only 163cm..


3) front compartment (thinking of not installing top box but hope to squeeze 1 M size open helmet, taichi drymaster X raincoat, bike cover, parking coupons and poncho for pillion)

ans: when u squeeze 1 MEdium helmet be it a full face or not.. u can actually store a lil more item like a thin rain coat.. ur wallet coupon and poncho.. bt for a RS taichi drymater and a bike cover i think it wont fit togehter with a helmet. heres wad i normally store: helmet raincoat, wallet, coupon, passport bank book.. thumbdrive. portable battery for S3, manual book, and honda tool kit.. imagine how much more i can put in if i dont put my helmet. so the qns for storage still lies if u need extra storage and top box for more storage..

4) how much is 2nd party insurance & road tax.

im 25 using ntuc 2nd party cost $1k and road tax for 6 mth is $87.

5) Overseas websites mentioned CBS (Combined ABS) is standard. Is it true?

i think for the S model, it comes only with a standards ABS, while the X it has ABS and non abs with additional $1k pricing for ABS.

6) brakes stopping power (NC700S only 1 big front brake disc,revo has 2 front brake disc, i think alot super four riders know about the poor stock front brakes)

i tested the abs for my NC700s, and it prevent from whel lock.. it helps a lot if u go NSHW. bt in singapore road seldom uses the ABS. other than that u might be surprised on how strong the braking for the front wheel.. from my experinced i think super4 rear brake is the worst..

7) bike made in jap?

yeps bike made in japan.

8) Instruction manual - English or Jap?

instruction is in english..

[Lexanez]

One more thing about braking power, even it has only 1 front disc brake, it has almost the same stopping power as the KTM RC8.

A test done by 'BIKE' magazine have stated that the NC700X only took 50.5m to come to a complete stop from 70mph which is about 112km/h.

A video about the storage space for the NC700X, users have reported that the NC700S have a slightly larger compartment.

[emilsee]

Thank you Newblood & Lexanez for your prompt reply. It gave me a better understanding of the bike. I'm still finalising some thoughts before i decide to purchase the bike. May i also know if there is any "helmet hook" to hook my helmet when parking at sheltered carparks. If no then how do you guys manage? Bring along with you everywhere u go? Sorry to ask such a noob question as i'm just too used to having a bike box for close to 10 years and i would want to consider not putting a bike box for this bike in event i'm getting.

[newblood]

Thank you Newblood & Lexanez for your prompt reply. It gave me a better understanding of the bike. I'm still finalising some thoughts before i decide to purchase the bike. May i also know if there is any "helmet hook" to hook my helmet when parking at sheltered carparks. If no then how do you guys manage? Bring along with you everywhere u go? Sorry to ask such a noob question as i'm just too used to having a bike box for close to 10 years and i would want to consider not putting a bike box for this bike in event i'm getting.

theres actually a hook to for you to use tp attched to the helmet and then to the bike.. theres a catch below the pillion seat for u to attached the hook and the helmet together..

the hook comes along with the standard toolkit..

neverthe less.. top box is coming in really soon from givi and hepco..

accessories is slowly coming in .. not to worry..

btw i attached my helmet and stick the strap below the pillion seat without using the hook.. its how u gona secure it,,

[peterlim34]

Will this bike overheat when caught in jams like the one @ checkpoint?Can the under-power be resolve by remapping or dyno-tuned?I am worry about this before i made a deposit for this bike.Your advise is important to me.Thank you!

[peterlim34]

I heard the NC700X first shipment is snap up within 2 weeks! Next shipment will be here in August but Boon Siew will not bring in the DCT model,much exp$,i heard and DCT difficult to repair,like DSG.....So i book my RED NCX (ABS) without the DCT.Loois can bring in the DCT model but who knows how to repair if anything fails? So better stick to Boon Siew bikes,safer lah.

[samsontok]

Why are you in the hurry to book one?

[samsontok]

Who do you book from?

[peterlim34]

Not in a hurry,but told bike will be here around august advise to book early to cause any inconvinence from ASP.Had ask HKL about getting PC# for this bike and haven't got any reply.Why? Any problem with this bike? To me with DCT or without is not an issue cause i usually ride for 1 or 2 months and will left bikes for weeks.Worry that whether the bike can be jump start with DCT cause i can't jump start with SilverWing when battery are flat.Shop told me when bike is not automatic can jump start easily,true?

[samsontok]

Not in a hurry,but told bike will be here around august advise to book early to cause any inconvinence from ASP.Had ask HKL about getting PC# for this bike and haven't got any reply.Why? Any problem with this bike? To me with DCT or without is not an issue cause i usually ride for 1 or 2 months and will left bikes for weeks.Worry that whether the bike can be jump start with DCT cause i can't jump start with SilverWing when battery are flat.Shop told me when bike is not automatic can jump start easily,true?

Yes, manual gear can jump start easily.

[muddyxr]

Yes, manual gear can jump start easily.

Jump start or push start?

[Lexanez]

Jump start or push start?

Push start.

Well, either way, push start isn't going to happen very often and most people would't like it anyway. So rather than asking about push start, it would be better to ask about battery and starter motor maintenance, especially the carbon brushes.

[peterlim34]

Prices from Boon Siew is different from dealer?I ask Boon Siew about price,they quoted me $16,699(w/o GST & ins.)Dealer quoted $15,900(w/o GST & ins.)Both OTR price for basic model w/o ABS...How come huh? Dealer said maybe bike arrive @ August but Boon Siew said @ September!Who do i listen? I am going to pay my booking deposit next Monday.

[samsontok]

Prices from Boon Siew is different from dealer?I ask Boon Siew about price,they quoted me $16,699(w/o GST & ins.)Dealer quoted $15,900(w/o GST & ins.)Both OTR price for basic model w/o ABS...How come huh? Dealer said maybe bike arrive @ August but Boon Siew said @ September!Who do i listen? I am going to pay my booking deposit next Monday.

Dun need to book, wait for the bike to arrive. Look at it, like it, pay & go.

[yenyenpark]

Prices from Boon Siew is different from dealer?I ask Boon Siew about price,they quoted me $16,699(w/o GST & ins.)Dealer quoted $15,900(w/o GST & ins.)Both OTR price for basic model w/o ABS...How come huh? Dealer said maybe bike arrive @ August but Boon Siew said @ September!Who do i listen? I am going to pay my booking deposit next Monday.

which bike ship u ask? i went to enquiry about XJR6 at BP, they also recommend me NC700.. i think price about 17000k OTR except insurance and IU...

normally if u buy from Agents such as Boon Siew and Hong Leong, more ex abit.. because their reputation. Small retailer can give u some discount.. that's explain..

[yenyenpark]

Dun need to book, wait for the bike to arrive. Look at it, like it, pay & go.

for some popular bikes, u won't able to "see" since all stock will be sold immediately.. if u still can "see" mean the bikes bo lang ai.. (no 1 like)

[samsontok]

for some popular bikes, u won't able to "see" since all stock will be sold immediately.. if u still can "see" mean the bikes bo lang ai.. (no 1 like)

Shop selling bikes which cost 10 over grand, they are not selling kopi. Customer will tend to view it or test it before decide. I myself took my own sweet time to buy the NC. After I bought , there are still few bikes in the showroom. The only downside is the colour you want might not have.
Above is just my point of view.

[yenyenpark]

Shop selling bikes which cost 10 over grand, they are not selling kopi. Customer will tend to view it or test it before decide. I myself took my own sweet time to buy the NC. After I bought , there are still few bikes in the showroom. The only downside is the colour you want might not have.
Above is just my point of view.

pai seh bro... just knew that u owned NC700.. my experience is on Sym 400 where the first batch sold out almost immediately..

anyway, do you think BP give a good deal? i know some complained their customer service and i do find them sometime really bochap type..

[samsontok]

I will not visit them, I want to buy a bike happily and not............

[emilsee]

Hi all,

I have another set of questions for NC700S riders.

1) Has anyone riding a NC700S mounted a Givi engine guard or seen any pictures with that? Was searching around the net and couldn't find any pictures. All of them with the Givi Engine guard are all the 700X, none are 700S.

2) not sure if any one put full set of Sliders. Do let me know where you got it from and post some pictures if possible. I actually still thinking whether to put givi engine guard or sliders instead.

2) Anyone already installed honda orginal panniers only / honda orginal top box only / or either one which is of other brands? Do share if got pics. i hope to see how it looks like before deciding whether to install cos i still feel without box for 700S is nicer. I did send enquiry to boon siew but they have yet to reply.

I have already booked that 700S, but shipment delayed till sometime end july (mentioned by bike shop). Now waiting impatiently for the bike to arrive.

[kinwei]

which bike ship u ask? i went to enquiry about XJR6 at BP, they also recommend me NC700.. i think price about 17000k OTR except insurance and IU...

normally if u buy from Agents such as Boon Siew and Hong Leong, more ex abit.. because their reputation. Small retailer can give u some discount.. that's explain..

Actually it a standard procedure between Distributors and Dealers. The Distributors need the Dealers' network to help them sell and handle the customers. So Distributors will usually sell at the predetermined MSRP so the customers will go their Dealers for a discounted price instead. And no point you appoint the Dealers and yet you want to fight business with them. Sooner or later the Dealers will also give up on this dealership.

But one thing interesting. At least for Boon Siew, they don't marked up the price if you intend to full cash unlike the dealers. But of course you need to do your maths to see if it is overall cheaper.

[littlesweetie]

Any comments on whether this bike is comparable to the Kawasaki Versys?

Both parallel twins but the Versys seems to be more 'adventure' style and comes with abs standard. But at 22k otr i want to know if that 5k or so difference really gives me a different bike from the NC700. And in all honesty looking at the Versys makes me want to ride it but the honda seems kinda tame and boring.

[Juggy]

It is time for motocycles to move into car's technologys, volkswagen are using twin clutch gear boxes long ago, and BMW and mercs are producing high torque diesel engines for their lines.

One thing that attract me to the NC range is that they actually got a 'boot'! no need to a box and spoil the look.

[Juggy]

i think that the price is almost the same as a new super 4...... why super 4 so exp and NC can be made at such a price.....

[ahch0ng]

up for more discussion..even tho i only have cls2A now, im aiming to get this if its good for SG riding style..esp NC700X