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    Today i jus got summon by TP.. Nv give chance sia. Today den i realised that tinted visor is not allowed.
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    Originally posted by GreeKo@Nov 20 2005, 12:18 PM
    Wat abt those like OGK strip off shields? Does tat constitute it into a visor when used? To me using it wud be similar to like wearing sunglasses though easier to take off with juz a flip of da visor when riding into dark area like carpark n flip dwn when its bright agn. Though to take it off completely wuld b to stop da bike n remove helmet and strip it out but much convenient than to take off sunglass when riding into dark areas, i mean have any one tried to take off and put on sunglass while riding, im sure u knw its quite a stunt to execute it?
    I was stopped once by a TP for this. I was using an OGK FF3 smoke tinted film at the time. He called in to check, said it CANNOT be used and let me off with a warning - no fine or summons.

     

     
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    Default Helmet and Tinted visors issues

    Hi,
    Is it true that full face helmets do not require a PSB sticker to be used on Singapore roads? The helmet is question is a GPR, but even so, I am skeptical that the PSB sticker is not needed.

    Could you please help me out?
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    A PSB sticker is always needed....

    In case of (touch wood) accident, and u suffer head injury, the insurance will pay u only if u wear psb approve helmet

    if no psb... uncle sam will give u fee ticket

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    gpr FF no psb stickers? where did you see from? i think ah boy's gpr has sticker.

    HJC FF doesn't have psb sticker.. and yet their helmets are pretty nice/good.. sad case. ):

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    My AGV gp-pro also no sticker... but can you compare it to a $40 zeuz or mhr? cannot rite? so with the sticker a $40 helmet is safer than mine costing 10 times more???

    The only reason there's no sticker is that PSB has not tested such helmets lor...

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    I'm getting confused... I saw on another thread here on the forum that it was *illegal* to market, purchase or have in possession any helmet that is not PSB certified; as well as all the good helmets on the market have no PSB sticker. I'm just worried about insurance as well as TP meetings. What should I do? I would like a good helmet, but as everyone points out, good helmets are not PSB certified...
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    Originally posted by PegScraper@Jul 5 2006, 07:57 AM
    I'm getting confused... I saw on another thread here on the forum that it was *illegal* to market, purchase or have in possession any helmet that is not PSB certified; as well as all the good helmets on the market have no PSB sticker. I'm just worried about insurance as well as TP meetings. What should I do? I would like a good helmet, but as everyone points out, good helmets are not PSB certified...
    Dunno what 'stringent' tests are carried out and met on the helmet before it 'deserves' the right to have the PSB sticker affixed.

    To me.. it seems to be like the COE. If the importers of those helmets are willing to pay enough... the helmets will be approved for use by our local blue boys and the insurance companies. Its not a question of standards here.

    Since when did PSB standards are able to exceed the quality and safety requirements of more established bodies like DOT and the SNELL Foundation. Geez.

    Sometimes, looking at the way we do things here... I wonder if we are a Third World nation.


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    Originally posted by desewer@Jul 5 2006, 07:34 AM
    My AGV gp-pro also no sticker... but can you compare it to a $40 zeuz or mhr? cannot rite? so with the sticker a $40 helmet is safer than mine costing 10 times more???

    The only reason there's no sticker is that PSB has not tested such helmets lor...
    So it all boils down to how much you value your head. $40 head, wear $40 helmet.

    PSB approved so that insurance company will compensate you when your head is crushed coz it was a cheap helmet.

    So what if the insurance pay out... you won't be around to enjoy the money.

    I'd rather put on a helmet made of expensive proven materials that can protect me and not becoz it met our PSB so called standards.


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    Agreed.

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    But if u kena a road block, will the TP issue u with a summon because u aint wearing a PSB approved helmet? Those instructors when i was learning bike told me that TP will catch u if u ain't wearing one...
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    Originally posted by Cristiano83@Jul 6 2006, 08:34 PM
    But if u kena a road block, will the TP issue u with a summon because u aint wearing a PSB approved helmet? Those instructors when i was learning bike told me that TP will catch u if u ain't wearing one...
    Its just up to the way you look at it.

    Many years ago, before the full faced helmets were allowed, I wore a full face when I rode. I got stopped and was fined $30 for "Wearing helmet of not approved type". I could have been wearing an army helmet and got the same fine.

    For $30 fine, I was willing to take the risk and carried on wearing the helmet. Yes, like I told the TP, I know it is against the law. It is also against the law to kill someone. But not when I do it in self defense. I wore the full face to protect myself.

    I ain't going to wait for you to stick that knife in me before I start defending myself, its too late. As much I ain't going to wear a cheap PSB approved helmet which offers me lesser protection than a SNELL Foundation or DOT approved helmet.

    There are alot of people riding around with illegal exhausts which carry a $500 fine wearing $40 PSB approved helmets that ain't worth a crap in an accident.
    Simply because they fear being stopped and being fined for wearing a non-PSB approved helmet?? Where lah the priorities??

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    i totally agreed.. risk of being fine $30 or live to ride another day.. wats your choice?

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    I prefer using my Shoei without a Spring approve sticker..

    Isnt PSB known as Spring now anyway???

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    Just an update...

    Was in Looi's Motors, Kaki Bukit Place...

    You can have your cake and eat it too : Shoei's @ 800 SGD, PSB Certified sticker too!
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    I feel that they usually do not penalise u if u are wearing a full face helmet with no psb sticker. i kenna road blocks before and they let me go without mentioning abt the missing psb sticker. I am sure it makes absolute sense to them that it is safer to be in a full face than wearing a halfcap or a psb approved $25 helmet.

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    Originally posted by MC28@Jul 7 2006, 02:31 AM

    Isnt PSB known as Spring now anyway???
    Spring Singapore is a regulatory body under the Ministry of Trade & Industry. Being a statutory board, it cannot be profit driven ie charge a fee for their service. So how ? Carved out the commercial function, ie. conducting of courses, testings..etc and put them under a separate business entity, called PSB Corporation. With that in place, PSB can legitimately charge a fee for their service. An earlier example will be CISCO.


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    I remember abt 3 years ago, there was something in the forum regarding the wearing of dark visor in Singapore, the TP said they are reviewing. Anyone knows whether any outcome?
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    the outcome was out for sometime le..
    i think abt 1 yr ago..
    the tinted cannot be more than 30%

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    tinted visor is legal, but up to 30% only, anything more than that and it's a $50 dollars fine

     

     
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    Really unfair to penalise us bikers when there are no robberies for so long by a person wearing a dark visor. 30% is not enough to block the noon sun rays. Don't know where to write in to complain. Any1 knows?
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    Originally posted by ronald814@Jul 21 2006, 06:29 PM
    Really unfair to penalise us bikers when there are no robberies for so long by a person wearing a dark visor. 30% is not enough to block the noon sun rays. Don't know where to write in to complain. Any1 knows?
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    dont waste time complaining.

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    i think they'll just tell you that it's dangerous to have to tint more as your visiblity goes lower , etc etc .


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    Originally posted by Powieee@Jul 22 2006, 01:43 PM
    i think they'll just tell you that it's dangerous to have to tint more as your visiblity goes lower , etc etc .
    tinted visor is dangerous ???? i dun think so cos i seen many *ppl riding wif clear visor but they are wearing the darkest shades .

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    no point lah....
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    Sianzzz... especially for bikers like me who are wearing spectacles. When you are wearing specs difficult to wear sunglasses in a full face helmet when we travel in the afternoon. When I wear sunglasses with my full face helmet on, nobody can see my facial stuff also what so I really don't understand the TP's rational.
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    Originally posted by ronald814@Jul 22 2006, 07:05 PM
    Sianzzz... especially for bikers like me who are wearing spectacles. When you are wearing specs difficult to wear sunglasses in a full face helmet when we travel in the afternoon. When I wear sunglasses with my full face helmet on, nobody can see my facial stuff also what so I really don't understand the TP's rational.
    no one understands their rationale as well
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    the 30% tinted visor is permitted to use during both day and night time.

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    Ok thanks, I think this log can closed already then. Thanks for all the replies.
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    If u wearing dark visor when u go out in the afternoon, night time go home how to see man...

    And riding halfway, starts to rain heavily. With normal visors, u can't even see too far, let alone dark visors.

    I think sunglasses are still the best choice lah. Want o use, juz put on. If not, juz keep in pocket.

    For speckys like me, u can trying buy specs that comes with clip-on or magnetic shades. I used that. So far, so good.
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    Dunno if this is the appropriate place to place this thread, if not, please direct me to the right place and I will it there.

    I am currently a learner rider and have bought a new helmet. Seeing so many stickers at the back, I got irritated and remove them all, including that PSB. There is when the problem started. The instructor have banned me from using that helmet in the circuit as it is without the certification. Since it is very new (less than 2 mths), I find it very wasted to chuck it aside and get a new one.

    What I like to know is this. Is there any way that I can get the sticker back? Is so, where and what is the cost?

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    my friend...

    that sticker is all important...

    and if i can buy it...i can buy any non PSB-approved helmet and just stick on the sticker...isnt it?

    that will only make PSB approved helmets useless. some are useless anyway. there are much better ones, just that they are not sent for inspection.

    so its either you get another helmet or use the helmets at the driving centre...

    keep your current one for your pillion next time..or as a spare yourself. when you ride on the roads..they are not so strict already...

    but anyway...i read somewhere that some shop around jalan besar sells the sticker...dont know how true is it...
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    I would suggest u keep the helmet for bya next time pillion use. Now get another helmet and go and learn how to ride. Outside not to strict one.
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    Good advice Kahhwee

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    my idea is to put in two small drivers (speaker) inside the helmet.

    i took out the cushion and make a hole in the base foam layer and fit them there.


    i know it's illegal but will kena check or not? in my entired year of riding, i havnt got checked on the helmet once.

    how bout u?

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    man...modifying a helmet is not about getting caught..its about your own safety!

    didnt you read the instruction manual for your helmet? no modifications to be done!
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    next time u mod put on helmet then can help do rally!!!
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    so is there really any shop to get the psb sticker..?? i oso itchy hand go peel off that sticker frm my mgp helmet... u think tp will believe if say the sticker drop off

     

     
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    If got sticker then airbrush over the sticker can anot?


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    I wander what will happen if you go JB and airbrush the whole helmet in the silver/blue PSB sticker design. Stop by TP, "is your helmet approved?" You can proudly reply, "Are you BLIND!"

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    hahaha.....nice one

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    cars up to 30% tinted only mehz for passenger window? i saw 1 car bmw 7series the car almost fully tinted cant even see the inside when u're close.. i bet it's at least 60% tinted..

    30% tinted is as good as not tinted at all rite? haha... if u wear a clear visor, and a super dark sunglass isin't it = wearing a tinted visor? no difference it makes.. duno y those TP ppl r dumbass x=

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    one day after my night shift duty, i happen to be stopped at a TP road block along Yio Chu Kang Road at 11 am...

    bloody bright sunny day , i was wearing my pillion open faced helmet with pitch black visor. i also have with me my full faced visor with clear visor.

    The officer told me that it was an offence to wear the tinted visor and i should be wearing my full face clar visor helmet with sunglasses instaed.

    i argued with him for a good ten minutes till he give up and told me to go...hehehe
    i was asking him to explain what in the world in the difference and he could not give me an aswer beside the law states so...

    further more i told him i had just finished night shift and was feeling tired...the sun will make mesleepy and it would be dangerous...

    i think he fed up cos i argue too much that he decide to just let me ride off and quit bothering him...lol

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    i saw some webbie they got sell this visor tat can switch betwn tinted n clear.. another one is like transitition spec(wonder if u all noe) under strong sunlight it will turn dark, and when nrml light it's clear.. i forget where i saw it.. paiseh .. but i remb pretty ex

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    30% still can pass..But no difference if the sun is scorching hot and very bright..Recently a friend of mine kena fined coz his tinted visor was 34%..What the hell..Just 4% more..
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    Tinted visors are actually safer in some situations, because when you need to, you can just flip them up and restore proper, untinted vision.

    Just try riding down a slope into an underground carpark;

    Braking, downshifting, half-clutch, slowing for a hump. Now try to take off your sunglass.

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    Anyway, about the sticker issues...

    In the case of an accident, whether or not your head is injured, how is the insurance company going to know what helmet you are wearing?

    If a friend is accompanying you, just get him to keep the helmet for you. If you are concussed, chances are the helmet will only be removed at the hospital (after they survey the damage to your head whaahahah)

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