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    Hi all, here's an excel file that calculates petrol savings everytime you pump at GP Esso. Some of you might remember me posting this file a while back, i refined it to make it more user friendly with more updated information on petrol prices.

    This chart includes:

    1. Toll charges for Singapore side to and fro
    2. Toll for M'sian highway
    3. Petrol consumption every time you travel to GP Esso.


    To use this chart you need to key in 3 pieces of information; your bike petrol consumption in km per litre of petrol, your fuel tank capacity, and the total distance from where you are to GP Esso and back (remember to include the 11km of U'turn from GP Esso to Bandar Nuasajaya exit and back to M'sian customs.)


    Hope this benefits some riders here, especially those who frequently pump through 2nd link. There have been cases where there is actually a deficit instead of a saving due to the long travelling distance.


    Also do let me know what else should be fine tuned. I'll work on it.
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    You did a great favor to all of us here, Ricky.



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    i think cell C37 = B16 * B22
    instead of C37 = B30 * B22
    resulting in more savings as we do not have to travel xx km to gp esso.

    and your toll calculation is wrong, it shld be..
    rm1.30 + rm1.30 + rm1.39(sg0.60) + rm1.39(sg0.60) = rm5.38/sg2.32

    exchange rate conversion for toll is also wrong (wrong * to convert to ringgit instead of divide)







    uploaded my version, any errors let me know petrol savings
    (fill up the yellow boxes)
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    actually u can u turn b4 gp esso,
    maybe a bit shorter distance,
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    I'm using a program for Sybiam phone. Which will calculte your fuel consumption and cost.

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    Originally posted by onefour02@Aug 20 2006, 07:23 PM










    uploaded my version, any errors let me know petrol savings
    (fill up the yellow boxes)
    i think cell C37 = B16 * B22
    instead of C37 = B30 * B22
    resulting in more savings as we do not have to travel xx km to gp esso.
    i dun agree.


    and your toll calculation is wrong, it shld be..
    rm1.30 + rm1.30 + rm1.39(sg0.60) + rm1.39(sg0.60) = rm5.38/sg2.32

    exchange rate conversion for toll is also wrong (wrong * to convert to ringgit instead of divide)
    changes done. thank u. file updated.
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    Originally posted by feng125@Aug 20 2006, 11:55 PM
    i dun agree.
    maybe you shld double check.

    using ur spreadsheet:
    petrol pumped is calculated both at (eg. 13litres)

    when it shld be:
    (eg. 15litres) in singapore and (eg. 13litres) in malaysia
    i believe u did not offset the cost of travelling.
    (as in singapore petrol kiosk are mostly just along the way home)






    correct?


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    Originally posted by onefour02@Aug 21 2006, 08:41 AM
    maybe you shld double check.

    i already double checked.

    thank you for your feedback, i have my reasons for my calculations. i shall not go into details.
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    i love dividends.

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    well done

    its a great excel sheet thanks alot


    cheers

     

     
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    can someone kind enuff to send me the excel file to my email? up2wind@gmail.com

    I got problem getting into the link shown above. =((((

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    Good work.

    But you did not include another cost of the round trip.

    For example, for a typical 1000cc machine with sporty tyres, one set would last perhaps 10,000kms with mixed riding (highway, town, occasional trackday). At $450 a pair, thats $0.045 cents per km, or for my case, a round trip of 80km, thats $3.60.

    Then theres engine oil, 4 bottles of semi synthetic engine oil costs $60, changed every 5000km, thats $0.012cents per km, or $0.96 per 80km round trip.

    So thats an additional $4.56. Not including other wear and tear parts, chain n sprocket, regular servicing like oil filter, air filter, wheel bearings, brake pads, valve clearance etc, it all adds up.

    I know this sounds very calculative, but it all adds up. Of course, wear and tear, servicing intervals and costs vary from bike to bike, and varys according to riding style.

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    Originally posted by nE0@Sep 5 2006, 04:24 PM
    Good work.

    But you did not include another cost of the round trip.

    For example, for a typical 1000cc machine with sporty tyres, one set would last perhaps 10,000kms with mixed riding (highway, town, occasional trackday). At $450 a pair, thats $0.045 cents per km, or for my case, a round trip of 80km, thats $3.60.

    Then theres engine oil, 4 bottles of semi synthetic engine oil costs $60, changed every 5000km, thats $0.012cents per km, or $0.96 per 80km round trip.

    So thats an additional $4.56. Not including other wear and tear parts, chain n sprocket, regular servicing like oil filter, air filter, wheel bearings, brake pads, valve clearance etc, it all adds up.

    I know this sounds very calculative, but it all adds up. Of course, wear and tear, servicing intervals and costs vary from bike to bike, and varys according to riding style.
    yes ! very precise indeed !

    This is the right way to calculate if wanna go fine into details !

    Not forgetting the time to travel ??how much opportunity cost u incur per hr??

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    anyone will do a chart for JB petrol station? gp esso is from 2nd link.... those go by causeway will have different pricing i figure

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    haha
    aiya... i give up riding liao... if i have to go into details.

    let juz enjoy the ride. do it safe and fun!

    cheers

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    Originally posted by nE0@Sep 5 2006, 04:24 PM
    Good work.

    But you did not include another cost of the round trip.

    For example, for a typical 1000cc machine with sporty tyres, one set would last perhaps 10,000kms with mixed riding (highway, town, occasional trackday). At $450 a pair, thats $0.045 cents per km, or for my case, a round trip of 80km, thats $3.60.

    Then theres engine oil, 4 bottles of semi synthetic engine oil costs $60, changed every 5000km, thats $0.012cents per km, or $0.96 per 80km round trip.

    So thats an additional $4.56. Not including other wear and tear parts, chain n sprocket, regular servicing like oil filter, air filter, wheel bearings, brake pads, valve clearance etc, it all adds up.

    I know this sounds very calculative, but it all adds up. Of course, wear and tear, servicing intervals and costs vary from bike to bike, and varys according to riding style.
    semi oil cost 60 bucks for 4 bottle....
    what oil is it????
    normally onli cost abt 12 per bottle le

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    Originally posted by Cool79@Oct 1 2006, 03:17 AM
    semi oil cost 60 bucks for 4 bottle....
    what oil is it????
    normally onli cost abt 12 per bottle le
    Well, oil prices can range from $5/litre gear oil to $25/litre high quality fully synthetic engine oil.

    $60 per oil change is a suggested price only. You can insert your own price here, no worries

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    Originally posted by nE0@Sep 5 2006, 04:24 PM
    Good work.

    But you did not include another cost of the round trip.

    For example, for a typical 1000cc machine with sporty tyres, one set would last perhaps 10,000kms with mixed riding (highway, town, occasional trackday). At $450 a pair, thats $0.045 cents per km, or for my case, a round trip of 80km, thats $3.60.

    Then theres engine oil, 4 bottles of semi synthetic engine oil costs $60, changed every 5000km, thats $0.012cents per km, or $0.96 per 80km round trip.

    So thats an additional $4.56. Not including other wear and tear parts, chain n sprocket, regular servicing like oil filter, air filter, wheel bearings, brake pads, valve clearance etc, it all adds up.

    I know this sounds very calculative, but it all adds up. Of course, wear and tear, servicing intervals and costs vary from bike to bike, and varys according to riding style.
    lol.. need to count until like that.. park ur bike at carpark dun move save the most $$ ba
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    Originally posted by Fufu26@Oct 2 2006, 05:36 PM
    lol.. need to count until like that.. park ur bike at carpark dun move save the most $$ ba
    I think nE0 is trying to point out the futility of counting petrol savings by travelling all the way to Malaysia, as it adds up to a zero sum game.

    People tend to look only at absolute figures, and rarely look into all the other hidden (but real) costs.
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    Thanks ulysses_sc..

    Yes, running costs of a bike, a regularly properly serviced one that is, is much higher than it seems, especially for bigger bikes.

    But thats cost per mileage. A bike sitting there costs money too.

    For example, for a fairly new litre bike,

    Insurance - $1000/year, or $2.739 per day
    Road Tax - $320/year, or $0.876 per day
    Parking - $15/month, or $0.50 per day

    So thats erm, $4.12 per day, sitting there doing nothing.

     

     
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    Originally posted by nE0@Oct 3 2006, 11:26 PM
    Thanks ulysses_sc..

    Yes, running costs of a bike, a regularly properly serviced one that is, is much higher than it seems, especially for bigger bikes.

    But thats cost per mileage. A bike sitting there costs money too.

    For example, for a fairly new litre bike,

    Insurance - $1000/year, or $2.739 per day
    Road Tax - $320/year, or $0.876 per day
    Parking - $15/month, or $0.50 per day

    So thats erm, $4.12 per day, sitting there doing nothing.
    actually i DID take the tires and engine oil into consideration before. i even took time calculations into effect by taking my monthly wages divided into hourly proportions.


    unfortunately those apply only to me, bcos i myself know how long i use my tires and how often i change engine oil. everyone else has their own parameters. thus its rather pointless to add that into a general calculation meant for the masses.


    as for the futility of the calculation presented; i should state that this file was done to enlighten the riders who frenquently do petrol-runs into GP esso, thinking that they are saving a large amount every month, when in fact they are not. Some have shown that they are losing money instead since they travel from Bedok to GP Esso on a 1200cc petrol guzzler.


    so our aims are the same: we want to pass the message that we are not benefitting as much as we think we are by going to 2nd link for petrol.
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    i didnt know that we werent benefitting as much as pumping at m'sia.

    i havent pumped a single time in m'sia though, i just dont wanna waste time to and fro thats all.
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    agree with quizesilver,dun really so details on saving petrol,
    as long gov dun block bikers fr top up in jb can ready,always waiting 4 my bike petrol
    tank to turn reserve and go jb to top up and enjoy the riding with unlimited
    speed..he he he.. can be done only at 2nd link..1st link cannot speed a lot vehicle and
    everytime face traffic jamm..hate 1st link..

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    basket.

    i lugi $1 for going to gp esso to pump! lOl!!

    anyway i stay tampines riding nsr150. lols

    flykite u can edit the details to suit the needs to jb what
    Good and bad is just the difference between perceptions.

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    hey bro..

    thanks for the help man..

    it really helped me to see my spendings on fuel...


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    Formula for C34 needs to be revised.

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    Actually for smokers like us, we get additional 7 bucks on FAGS and if we eat, its cheaper food. Also, pumping in 2nd link tends to be a mini social gathering for some ( i dont ever go in alone). So there are some mini benefits that cannot really be tabulated in as well.

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    Originally posted by cOngx@January 04, 2007 05:01 pm
    basket.

    i lugi $1 for going to gp esso to pump! lOl!!

    anyway i stay tampines riding nsr150. lols

    flykite u can edit the details to suit the needs to jb what
    agree. i too stay tamp.
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    Originally posted by flykite@September 06, 2006 09:13 pm
    anyone will do a chart for JB petrol station? gp esso is from 2nd link.... those go by causeway will have different pricing i figure
    Just put all the toll amount to $0.00 for those who go by Woodlands Causeway..
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    Wah, I think we got very good contributors on how we can save money when pumping petrol in Johore GP. In any event, if our sole purpose is go in to pump petrol and come back then it is up to each individual to do their own calculation to see if it's worth it. However, if we are going in to enjoy ourselves be it the food or shopping other than purely for the petrol, then we can count on the petrol savings as a bonus.

    Anyway, good to know that we have some brainstorming sessions here.

    Keep it up guys.

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    under "amount paid for toll in total", there is a mistake.
    =B34/B22 is wrong. It should be =B34/B21. you converted using the wrong rate of 1.97 rather than 2.32.

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    one very important point to note is that this excel spreadsheet does not take into consideration the fact that u do not have an absolute empty tank when u reach gp esso. u prob have at least 1 or 2 litres of reserve fuel left. ( do not attempt riding to gp esso with dangerously low level or petrol. getting stuck along the way can be real trouble). thus when u enter your tank capacity in B16, try to enter 1-2 litres less. this will give a more accurate estimate! hope this helps!

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    i can't believe that no one saw the loop hole that the 5-8%discount that u get at singapore petrol station is not factored in to the equation!! omg

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    i did a calculation using my method which is similar to the one provided with 2litres of petrol left in my tank... not worth it... save about $1-$2 if i go malaysia depending on wat petrol you pump in singapore.. if pump premium, i save $2, but if i pump 95, i save $0!!!

    and also dun forget the credit card discounts... if factor them in, then savings will not be much if go msia to pump... but like someone here mentioned, if going to 2nd purely for petrol, not quite worth it, but if go there with friends for ride and makan and fags, then it's ok... i will rather spend extra $2 for 2-3hours more rest!!!
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    if u dont buy a pack in u save 0 bucks as u take time to travel in , time to travel out waste petrol while waiting .
    some more u take a distance to go home

    i am a just a cute fox with nine tails

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    well done bro ricky. u still selling repsol oil?

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    my 1 litre here sits in the car park with canvas and alarm enough to save my season parking... as the parking warrant comes near and touches it (ha ha it will scare them off) 9 months already ... got e cost of my alarm back liao ... cheers to all who is trying to save on petrol but think its really hard nowadays already ... comments for 2ct pls ... expected lifespan as its tooooo soft i think lolz

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    u guys really put everything in detail eh. Nice job too. Maybe i should try what u guys doing.

     

     
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    up up up.... now petrol very ex ar.... help... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by feng125 View Post
    bro thanks for sharing the chart , it was amazing
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    u guys heard of Atom Power by Power Z tat actually help u save petrol up to 35%? Cold engine start? Increase power? Remove Carbon deposits? Fuel injection cleaning? Reduces smoke emission? Proven and Tested by PSB (Certified by TUV/SUD PSB). Insurance coverage by AIG (SG$1Mil) ISO:14001 and ISO:9001. Interested plz PM me =)
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    hi guys...4 my bike,actually save alot 2 pumpet at JB...nt juz save on d travelling cost only...but on shopping...hahhaaa...roughly i save SGD40-120 evrytym i pumpet at JB...i hate 2 do shpg in spore...vegies,seafood,breads&etc...alllll at JB..d tips is...u'v 2 bring 1 medium sized bagpack&1 camping bag...sure u can bring more thn 50ltrs of storage..it'l b more if u got side bike box&rear box...hahahhaa...bt dun bring any1 2 shop...juz do it by urself..sure save alot...
    2 mantain my bike,i neva do it in spore shop...espeacially d eo...i use d best lubricant in d world..bttr thn Maxima or Motul 300v..dat eo is nt available in spore market...it lubricates d engine 150-300% bttr thn Maxima or Motul 300v..bt cheaper..juz rm37.50 per ltr..can last 4 10Kkm or more..

    i'm calculative in paying anything...anything dat i buy shud b worth it&save alot...&do nt lost anything...i'll feel a big lost if shop in spore...dis' juz my personal opinion..if u wanna follo may do it...

    ok...back 2 d travelling cost of pumpet at JB= i use fz 150i,which i'll only pump at least 12.77ltrs (d tank allow 13.5ltr max aft shaking d bike owez while pumpet)...go&return cost 4 d fuel(1st shell frm causeway) is RM1.80, total maintanance cost 4 d journey is rm0.63...(i calculated all 'cost consumption 4 all parts dat require service/change/maintanance)...so total journey cost=rm2.43(eqvlnt 2 SGD1.04)...well...petrol station is juz next door frm my block at sengkang..but neva pumpet thr..13ltr ron 95=rm23.40...plus d travelling cost=rm25.83(eqvlnt 2 SGD11.11)...
    if i pumpet at my neighbour,it'll cost 4 SGD23.31..so...i save SGD12.20...more thn 55% savings..most of d time dat i pumpet at JB,i'll sho oso...travelling cost+shopping roughly saves more thn 60% thn doing both of it in spore..medium sized bag i place on d tank,big camping bag on d pillion seat...everytym i shop,at least rm80...all d groceries i can put inside d bag..hahaha..think abt it if u guys wanna follow my way 2 cut cost
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    Thx for the file

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    Actually it's only economical to pump in JB if you stay maybe CCK or Woodlands. If not you waste money travelling to woodlands. Another benefit of pumping in JB is that you can go Danga Bay to eat or change engine oil while you're chilling

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    going into jb to pump is cheap plus if you are going with a group of friends can also go relax
    eat and shop

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    i feel that if you are riding a big bike with a big fuel tank, than its worth going to jb to pump ur petrol... i live in tampines, but i always pump petrol once a week at jb, fastest total time it took me was 1.5hrs to just go jb, pump petrol and come back to spore.. save me almost 50% of my money pumping at jb... always pump the cheapest there which is the 95 grade.. plus nowadays at checkpoint have bio metric lane, much faster reach jb...
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