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    I'm close to binning my set of Taiwanese Duros, and will need to fit a fresh set of tyres for my 400cc corner-carver.

    So tell me fellas:

    1) What's your favourite set of tyres?
    2) Why?
    3) How many km did it last you?

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    I didnt use it b4 but heard my fren's comments.

    Tires: Pirelli Dragon
    why: Dunno
    Mileage: Took him ard 5~6 mths to finish the threads.
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    Wat is the difference between BrigdeStone 010 and 090 tires?
    Which one is better? How does it cost?
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    Wat is the difference between BrigdeStone 010 and 090 tires?
    Which one is better? How does it cost?
    BT010 full set cost $220 cheapest but most shop sellin ard $300
    BT090 heard quite good reviews regarding this model but price i not too sure
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    So can I assume that BT090 is a better tire than the BT010.
    Anymore ppl who uses the tires share their review?
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    So can I assume that BT090 is a better tire than the BT010.
    Anymore ppl who uses the tires share their review?
    I am using the cheapo BT010...ZR rating for (600cc and above) according to the spec.

    If you are like me on the budget side, BT010 fit in great, deflate alittle and this thing grip.

    But Rennsport is still me fav.
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    So can I assume that BT090 is a better tire than the BT010.
    Anymore ppl who uses the tires share their review?
    I am using the cheapo BT010...ZR rating for (600cc and above) according to the spec.

    If you are like me on the budget side, BT010 fit in great, deflate alittle and this thing grip.

    But Rennsport is still me fav.
    Wat ZR rating mean?
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    ZR rating means for speeds above 260km/h. Oso got H rating etc...
    ZR is the best liao...
    btw which is better? B010 or B090?

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    So can I assume that BT090 is a better tire than the BT010.
    Anymore ppl who uses the tires share their review?
    me me... i've changed to BT-010 since last year aug or oct... until now.. den it begins to show signs for wearing out... tis is a good tyre its a good compromise btw grip n milage.. but i have to agreed it may nt be the best track tyre.. but its definately a good everyday tyre.. where u can find fun n distance wif it

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    So can I assume that BT090 is a better tire than the BT010.
    Anymore ppl who uses the tires share their review?
    me me... i've changed to BT-010 since last year aug or oct... until now.. den it begins to show signs for wearing out... tis is a good tyre its a good compromise btw grip n milage.. but i have to agreed it may nt be the best track tyre.. but its definately a good everyday tyre.. where u can find fun n distance wif it
    Hi....bobo

    I thought BT-010 is design for 600cc and above
    Cos 600 is using 180 for rear n 120 for front........
    Tat y is not suitable for 400cc bikes.......
    400cc is using 160 rear n 120 front.......

    Am still thinking which to change........BT-010 or MEZ Z1....
    Now currently using MEZ Z1.....quite hyappy wif it......

    any comment ???

    Cheers............

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    Hi....bobo

    I thought BT-010 is design for 600cc and above
    Cos 600 is using 180 for rear n 120 for front........
    Tat y is not suitable for 400cc bikes.......
    400cc is using 160 rear n 120 front.......

    Am still thinking which to change........BT-010 or MEZ Z1....
    Now currently using MEZ Z1.....quite hyappy wif it......

    any comment ???

    Cheers............
    erm... BT-010 comes wif 160 rear..

     

     
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    BTW saw a Super 4 at my place fitted with BT010 tires, so I assumed that the tire also suitable for 400cc.

    Anybody using BT010 tires?
    So are BT010 & BT090 wet weather tires?
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    I have used many many sets of tyres since my riding career....hahaha..(Mostly due to punctures or too worn out on the centre)...Anyway, I've seen ZZRPilot ride, I would recommend at least Bridgestone's BT-010. It is the best compromise between grip and rate of wear. And for a 400cc bike it could wear quite well.( Just keep that genting twisties trips to minimal...) And the price in singapore for this set of tyres is really reasonable, I don't know how much it would cost in KL. BT-010 is probably sufficient for some of your track days at Batu Tiga Circuit. The Bridgstone's BT's range comes in all sizes, make sure you get those meant for your bike, using tyres of unsuitable size is Dangerous! If you are really performance incline, BT-090 is alot more grippier, but of course, with the expense of higher rate of wear... We in singapore chose Bridgestones because they are slightly less expensive than other brands. If pirelli is cheaper, and you are super performance incline, try those Dragon SuperCorsas, as they now comes in alot of sizes...but beware of wet surfaces...This set of tyres lasted only three months on my bike, but it really makes you bike look like a GP bike with Hero attitude. Super sticky... Michellin's Sports series is also great... It's really up to the cost... don't worry about getting softer, grippier tyres for your bike as the wear rate on a 400cc bike is still bearable no matter what tyres you use...
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    i know u guys toking about sportsbike tyres...
    can i ask about roadbike tyres?
    i often see n hear ppl change their tyres to Pirelli MT75 for front n Pirelli Mt65 for back... r they gd?

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    been thinking abt changing my tyres too..
    But not sure which one fit my needs....
    As I need a more lasting tyre for some touring
    purpose which also allows me to play some corner..
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    Thanks Porker,

    Mileage is a concern for me since I need my bike to get to work every day (thankfully, my new office is only 20km away.. last time used to be a 45km ride just to go to work).

    Which is why, although I'd love to slap on the stickiest rubbers, I have to find a good compromise between grip & wear rate. I'm considering putting on a sports front & sports touring rear. Something like a Metzeler ME-Z3 front & ME-Z4 rear. Or BT-010 front & BT-020 rear.

    How many KMs does the BT-010 rear last? I keep hearing something like 6000km? Damn.. that's a new tyre every oil change.

    I've asked around in KL earlier this year. BT-010 & Metzelers go for around RM700+ a pair. Slightly more expensive than in S'pore I guess. Forget about Pirellis (too expensive), Dunlops (don't last) & Avon (too rare).

    My Duros have served me well. They're the wrong size, though.. haha.. but pointy profile lets you dive into corners like Rossi (at the expense of straight line hi-speed stability). F##k-all grip when cold, but nice when warm... and will start losing grip when hot - there ain't nothing like getting your rear tyre loose & skipping all over the place when you're late-braking hard into a tight corner... yeee-hahhhh!

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    Anyone used any Pirelli Dragon before, is it better than Bridgestone 0010?
    It certainly is more expensive.

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    Pirellis use the same compounds as Metzeler, but are generally more expensive because it's a premium brand.

    Anyone here use Metzelers?

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    well, I've always been inclined towards Bridgestone.... Have used the BT010 and am using the BT012SS now. I hear the best combination is either a BT010/012SS rear and BT020 front. In my experience, the BT010 front tyres have a short life because it warps easily...

    The BT010 were bridgestone's premium road/performance tyres until the BT012SS came out. Personally, the BT010 felt better but then again, 'cause I wear shorts alot more these days, I don't corner as garangly as before.......

    Check this out:

    http://www.motorcycle-karttires.com/produc...uct/Product.asp?

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    The BT090 tires are racing tyres and therefore, will wear out faster than the normal street tyres....

    Anyway, check this news article out about the BT012SS:

    NASHVILLE, Tenn. (Nov. 19, 2001) – The new ultra high performance Bridgestone Battlax BT-012SS sport radial motorcycle tire was designed to give riders impressive grip and maneuverability on both wet and dry pavements. Featuring technologies found in the Bridgestone World Grand Prix 500cc program, the tire has been tested extensively on streets and circuits around the world, and will be available in February at many motorcycle dealer outlets.

    “The Battlax BT-012SS features the newest and most advanced technologies from the Bridgestone motorcycle street tire development effort,” said Bob Graham, Manager of Bridgestone/Firestone Motorcycle and Kart racing programs. “These technologies work in combination to offer riders exceptional performance – the kind of cornering and straightway performance most riders could only have imagined until now.”

    The Bridgestone Battlax BT-012SS rear tires are built with a revolutionary Dual Belt Construction (DBC) to maintain a high level of grip, rotation power and shock absorption. These dual belts are on top of a KevlarŇ Mono Spiral Belt, with the belts working together to improve straightway stability, corner grip and maneuverability. Also included in the rear tire is a new Silica Rich Compound to enhance grip in wet conditions and low temperatures, providing improved handling from the moment the motorcycle starts moving. The compound also provides more consistent and longer lasting grip.

    Both front and rear Bridgestone Battlax BT-012SS tires are produced using Bridgestone 3D Comprehensive Tire Design Method (CDTM) technology. This allows Bridgestone engineers to conduct dynamic, three-dimensional simulation and analysis of tire performance to find optimum solutions at all lean angles, efficient tread patterns and sidewall stiffness.

    The tread pattern for the Bridgestone Battlax BT-012SS incorporates smooth curves to minimize hydroplaning in wet conditions. The front tire pattern was designed to maximize high-speed stability while minimizing vibration. The rear tire has a high negative ratio to enhance grip and cornering stability. Both front and rear tires have a convex profile for quicker and lighter handling in corners.

    Sizes available now include:

    Front: 120/70ZR17 (58W) TL

    Rear: 180/55ZR17 (73W) TL

    Rear: 190/50ZR17 (73W) TL



    Nashville-based Bridgestone/Firestone, Inc. is the largest subsidiary of Bridgestone Corporation, the world’s largest tire and rubber company. Bridgestone/Firestone develops, manufacturers and markets Bridgestone, Firestone, Dayton, and associate and private brand tires. The company also produces Firestone air springs, roofing materials, synthetic rubber, and industrial fibers and textiles.

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    I have been using the BT012SS for one month now. All i can say that it was much better than the stock Metzeler MEZ tyres.

     

     
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    Thanks for the offer, il4. I'll definitely take you up on it (along with Greg, PatR1ck, Porker etc).

    I'm trying to stretch out my balding Duros till end October. Then I'll probably slap on a BT-010 front & BT-020 rear and see if I can get 15,000km out of the pair. By then it'll be March next year, and I'll be off to Singapore for a fresh pair. Hooray!

    I need to get some serious servicing done in S'pore, like valve adjustments, shim replacement, oil change, carb tune-up (I intend to fit a noisy pipe sometime later.. hehe) and probably a chain + sprocket replacement as well.

    How much will that cost at Guan Hoe (near Eunos) do you reckon?

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    Hey ZZR-Pilot,

    Wah, how come my name come first??? You forgot Lychee........

    Anyway, what you said about putting BT010 front and BT020 rear....well, it should be the other way round...... BT010 front warps easily..... but the rear is quite good.....and since the change ratio of front to rear is about 3:1, you would to decrease this ratio to 2:1 or something.... you can achieve this by using BT020 front and BT010 rear....

    BT020 tires have a harder middle rubber compound but the sides are quite sticky, especially the front one. or a better combination would be:

    Front:BT020 and Rear: BT012SS

    Well, see you in Singapore soon...................................

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    Whoa Greg, forget about BT-012SS.. waaay to expensive and won't survive my daily commute to work.

    Actually, I read somewhere that if you want to mix different tyres it should be as closely matched as possible - i.e. both from same manufacturer, similar/close model/compound, same carcass type (radial or ply) & speed rating - this is to minimize the difference in performance (too much difference will affect handling).

    And always make sure the front it grippier than the rear. It makes sense - while the two tyres have slightly different levels of grip, when pushing them to the edge you'd want the front to stick more than the rear. A sliding rear can be controlled but a sliding front will have your face hitting dirt pronto.

    Anyway, a stickier rear will have me buying an expensive new rear tyre as often as if I had stickies on both front and rear! Hehe.. Not much economy in that combination, then.

    I guess we won't know for sure until someone experiments with it.

    il4 - holy cow, that's pricey. How long would it normally take?

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    hey zzr,

    The BT010 (front), from my experience, warps after a while....maybe its my riding style, maybe its because I didn't take care of the tire, but it only took under 3 months for it to warp on me...........

    I am using BT012SS, the same tires I used when we met up in KL....so far, no signs of wear and tear....plus I have gone up to Thailand before that too..... no signs of it getting worn out....

    Anyway, the cost between a full set of BT010 and BT012SS are not that much....unless you compare it in M$....... but someone just got their set for S$360....BT012SS.......

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    Thanks Porker,

    As far as i know, tires are very pricey in Malaysia. 700RM is insane.
    Why dun u make a trip down to Singapore over the weekends, u can easily get a pair of BT010 at 280 sing, or if uwant the best value for money, try BT090, price simply insane. if my memory havet fail me, i say u can get it for 210 sing or even less.

    Well, if ya benton coming down south, do drop me a mail. I'll show u around
    Mind telling me where i can get BT010 for S$280? Most shop quote me $200+ for the rear only.

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    Fitted new rubber over the weekend. Didn't have the BT-010 I wanted, so had to settle for Metzeler ME-Z1s. Set me back RM750 including mounting & balancing. Farkkk...

    I also took the opportunity to up my rear preload by 2 clicks (it was set at the lowest setting by the previous owner... no f**king wonder I was scraping my bellypan around the racetrack). Combined with the new tyres.. whoaa.. felt like a new bike, man.

    ME-Z1s felt neutral - my pointy old Duros just wanted to dive into corners, but the new Metzes tend to countersteer nicely instead. Quite stable. That said, the bike now feels a tiny bit slightly sluggish to flick side to side whereas with the Duros the bike could be easily steered and flicked with just the footpegs. On the other hand, belting 200km/h down the highway the front end is now DEAD stable (the pointy Duros would get damn nervous, often I had to shift a bit of weight over the bars a little to calm it down).

    I'll be done fully scrubbing in these babies by this weekend. Then, I'll be testing them on my favourite Genting twisties... after that, the famous 90km twisty stretch up to Cameron Highlands, then finally Batu 3 racetrack. I'll update this report towards the end of next month. Watch this space.

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    Anyone knows who the Dunlop motorcycle tire agents are in Sg or where to get enquire about a set?

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    Fitted new rubber over the weekend. Didn't have the BT-010 I wanted, so had to settle for Metzeler ME-Z1s. Set me back RM750 including mounting & balancing. Farkkk...

    I also took the opportunity to up my rear preload by 2 clicks (it was set at the lowest setting by the previous owner... no f**king wonder I was scraping my bellypan around the racetrack). Combined with the new tyres.. whoaa.. felt like a new bike, man.

    ME-Z1s felt neutral - my pointy old Duros just wanted to dive into corners, but the new Metzes tend to countersteer nicely instead. Quite stable. That said, the bike now feels a tiny bit slightly sluggish to flick side to side whereas with the Duros the bike could be easily steered and flicked with just the footpegs. On the other hand, belting 200km/h down the highway the front end is now DEAD stable (the pointy Duros would get damn nervous, often I had to shift a bit of weight over the bars a little to calm it down).

    I'll be done fully scrubbing in these babies by this weekend. Then, I'll be testing them on my favourite Genting twisties... after that, the famous 90km twisty stretch up to Cameron Highlands, then finally Batu 3 racetrack. I'll update this report towards the end of next month. Watch this space.
    Wah!... Your new tyres will become old tyres in a week! better save up for your new pair now!
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    Anyone knows who the Dunlop motorcycle tire agents are in Sg or where to get enquire about a set?
    can try >> ChongAik

    cheers !

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    I just got my Vtec last week and my friend who came to see my bike told me that my front tyre is a BT010 but it was written BT45... wat's the diff btw these 2? My front tyre has lots of criss-crossing threads at the side and down the middle is a wavy line. My rear is a Dunlop Sportmax II. I have NO idea if this combination is good (I am not season enough on a 400cc to judge anyway) and I didn't have the privilege to ask the previous owner on this combination. Any comments?

     

     
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    I just got my Vtec last week and my friend who came to see my bike told me that my front tyre is a BT010 but it was written BT45... wat's the diff btw these 2? My front tyre has lots of criss-crossing threads at the side and down the middle is a wavy line. My rear is a Dunlop Sportmax II. I have NO idea if this combination is good (I am not season enough on a 400cc to judge anyway) and I didn't have the privilege to ask the previous owner on this combination. Any comments?
    Just change them as soon as possible.... if you are no expert on tires like me, use the same type, brand, models on both front and rear...Tire companies spend millions trying to match tires. i don't think we will do any better by trying to match tires ourselves...
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    My favourite is still Bridgestone Batlax BT50!!!

    BT50 is the best tyre for dry weather tyre....!!!! But wet weather not good!!!!
    You can ride fast, but if you can't stop in time.. You will have to stay in Blk 9!

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    I just got my Vtec last week and my friend who came to see my bike told me that my front tyre is a BT010 but it was written BT45... wat's the diff btw these 2?
    BT-45 is a bias-ply sports touring tyre (although there is a BT-45V sports tyre). BT-010 is Bridgestone's critically acclaimed radial sports tyre. The two are quite different. Youre friend probably saw 'BRIDGESTONE BATTLAX' and immediately assumed that it's a BT-010.

    I'm not too familiar with Dunlops, although I know for a fact that their racy radial sports tyres are all variations of either the D207 or D208. Sportmax is the name they use to replace the old Arrowmax (I used to run GT401s on my ZZR)... so that'd probably be the GT501 bias ply sports touring rubber. But then, their D205 (now D220) sport touring radials may also be called Sportmax.. I dunno.

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    Thanks ZZR-Pilot and porker. Well after reading all these on BT010 and BT020, it's got me wanting to use them but hey, mine a Tiong Gu and not a Tua Gu. Dunno if the size fit and all... Also, my present tyres look hardly used so I guess for the next half a year at least I can relax and just check the pressure periodically...

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    Pirellis SuperCorsa... SC2... sticks like glue...

    if u wanna track, this is the tire for u... heheheh

    if u like to ride hard on normal roads... supercorsa no compromise...

    tried and proven... rode to sepang, pg, and up to thailand on 3 different pairs of supercorsas...

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    but how the performance on wet road last time i use use the cosa slippery on wet rds

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    but how the performance on wet road last time i use use the cosa slippery on wet rds
    ermmm at the start when i looked at the tires... i was telling feroz at sporting motor that hmmmz dont think will be good when it rains... and will scare myself shitless whenever got a corner... but to tell u the truth... when i rode back from thailand, half the trip in heavy RAIN and at the infamous IPOH Corners... goodness... although i wasnt revving out my bike ahhahaha (who would in the heavy rain?) but my tires never gave me a hairy moment... if u get what i meant... there wasnt any sudden let go.. or slippery stuff... unless u touched the lines...

    my 2 other gsxr1000k2 friends who were on 010s were going slower coz maybe the oem tires werent giving them the much needed confidence... (but my gsxr750k2 friend was keeping up with me on his dunlops oem.. so d207s seemed to do the job for him...)

    so after that experience.. the tires won me over... heavy downpour for about 4-500km... so i think the tires are more than proven...

    the 010s are good if the rider takes things easy the whole life of the tire... but after nailing it on local roads a few times... i noticed the wear of the tire at the edges very very rough... and the tire was ripping like how u see tires do in the track.. so certain comments from other riders who see my oem 010s were 'hey u just came back from track?' but my gixxer1k never run on pg before... i wasnt using that on the track then... so without touching a track, the 010s looked shagged already... that made me start thinking about replacements...

    i first tried the 180 rear supercorsa.. compared to the 190, for quicker steering... and yes! it did quicken the steering... but i didnt like it... when it came to 160-180 sweepers... where there would be low lean angles involved.. it made the bike feel nervous... tire pressures were always checked religiously.. (coz i am a religious man )... the nervous feeling was gone when i changed to the 190/55rear supercorsa.... and there was so much needed stability it made me go even faster, where those bends i used to do at average 160 comfortably... now i would be going 180.. at the same comfort level...

    so when ur oem tire comes to the end of its life after u run in.... perhaps u can give it a thought... no harm trying... supercorsas.... michelin pilots are too damn expensive.. and the sports range dont give me what i need... when u are really leaned over... u wanna know that maximum contact is with the ground ... and thats where the supercorsas come in

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    Sorry sidetrack abit, my front michelin macadam almost 'botak' liow. I wanted to get a new BT010 for the front, is it advisable to get it from LAB or HKL?? I'm worried the mechanic there may screw up the work, but then their tyres are cheaper as compared to other shop.

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    so when ur oem tire comes to the end of its life after u run in.... perhaps u can give it a thought... no harm trying... supercorsas....
    Hoe much are those Pirelli Dragon SuperCorsas for 120/60-17" & 160/60-17" sizes? And where to buy in S'pore?

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    ermmmmm.... personal point of view onli....
    bt010 tends to get beri slippry on roads thats jus slightly wet...
    almost skid once on a bend...
    and som how feel that not a firm hold on cornerings....

    still prefer bt090....
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    It had to happen.

    Started off like another routine thrash up the twisty road to Awana (Genting Highlands thru Ulu Yam & Batu Dam). But this time I had Metzeler ME-Z1s front and back. They had proved themselves before many times on my favourite bends on the route to work and on my recent thrashings up Pos Slim near Cameron Highlands (both in the dry and heavy rain!), so I thought it’s time I put these babies to the test to see what they can do.

    Sure enough, on the run up the mountain they were brilliant. Rock stable and plenty of grip. I pushed then harder bit by bit and by the time I hit the second section of the Awana Run, I was confident enough to take on bigger lean angles in the corners, started hanging off a tad more and scraping my kneesliders. Scrape right.. skresshhhhhh… scrape left… skresshhhhh. I was in heaven, flicking the bike left-right and touching both my knees on the road more times that I cared to count.

    By the time we reached the restaurant at the old cable car station, I was ecstatic. My old pointier and narrower profile Duros were great for flicky-flicky action, but they started chattering before my knee could touch down. I got close a few times but the rear started giving way at full lean and began weaving under power when shooting past the apex. My new Metzelers did the job damn well, they were predictable right down to the SKRESSSSHHHHHH sound.

    After a drink, we made our way back down. At the back of my mind I knew I had to cool it and let the tyres warm up for grip first. But the mad corners were too much to resist and I started leaning the bike more and more.

    Barely 4km down from the mamak restaurant and past the Awana police station, **** happened. It was a totally wicked right hander that signaled the beginning of a corkscrew of tight left and right hand corners. I prepped the bike quickly – braked, downshifted, brought the tacho up to 9000rpm and shifted my ass off the seat to the right, poking my knee out for the first glorious kneeslider-tarmac interface of the downhill run. It didn’t turn out that way.

    There I was at full lean - on a good line thru the turn, throttle gently open and my right kneeslider just brushing the road surface, barely past clipping the apex when suddenly…. the bike just went away from under me! Fuc.k, a lowside! I saw it all in slo-mo thru my Nolan visor. The tank banged my right thigh as it slapped down. We were sliding at dunno what speed and I bailed out by pushing my beloved GSXR400 off and away. I saw it spin around, the headlights as if looking at me in horror and I remember thinking THIS HAD BETTER BE A BAD FUC.KING DREAM. I watched my shiny blue and white bike slide tail first into the waiting ditch, bounce up in the air after the rear rim smacked against the ditch wall, the whole thing hung momentarily in mid air before crashing down upside down. I joined my bike shortly afterwards in the ditch… bobsledding across the hard, dry tarmac on my right forearm and thigh. Un-****ing-believable.

    By the time my mates arrived I was already up, stunned in disbelief and incomprehension seeing the bike belly up in the ditch. We grappled the thing out and assessed the damage : crushed front cowling, broken headlamp cover, missing mirrors, bent fairing stay, twisted meter cluster, crushed front brake reservoir, dented tank. The clip-on handlebars looked OK, but the right hand side of the bike was heavily scraped but at least the clutch cover was salvageable because it wasn’t holed. The rear rim was totally busted but my biggest worries were the knackered tail and swingarm. I hope the rear subframe and swingarm aren’t twisted coz if they are, then the bike will be irrepairable and I’ll be forced to accept whatever crap market value given by the insurance guys.



    As for me, well I lived to tell the tale (obviously). My Fieldsheer Torino full suit was scratched on its right ride but it did its job. Looks scruffy now, but I reckon the suit had paid for itself by saving my skin! My Wintex leather gloves and Gaerne boots also did their job – I emerged practically without a single bruise from head to toe. The only pain I had to put up with was an aching right thigh after the fuel tank smacked down on top of it and a slightly sprained ankle from sliding feet first into the ditch. Not to mention a badly bruised ego and bank account about to go up in flames.

    What’s the moral of the story? No matter what tyres you’ve got on – fancy race compound or otherwise - give it a chance to warm up first before going banzai. Don’t learn this lesson the expensive way like me.

    That’s the end of my Metzeler tyre review!

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    It had to happen.

    Started off like another routine thrash up the twisty road to Awana (Genting Highlands thru Ulu Yam & Batu Dam). But this time I had Metzeler ME-Z1s front and back. They had proved themselves before many times on my favourite bends on the route to work and on my recent thrashings up Pos Slim near Cameron Highlands (both in the dry and heavy rain!), so I thought it’s time I put these babies to the test to see what they can do.

    Sure enough, on the run up the mountain they were brilliant. Rock stable and plenty of grip. I pushed then harder bit by bit and by the time I hit the second section of the Awana Run, I was confident enough to take on bigger lean angles in the corners, started hanging off a tad more and scraping my kneesliders. Scrape right.. skresshhhhhh… scrape left… skresshhhhh. I was in heaven, flicking the bike left-right and touching both my knees on the road more times that I cared to count.

    By the time we reached the restaurant at the old cable car station, I was ecstatic. My old pointier and narrower profile Duros were great for flicky-flicky action, but they started chattering before my knee could touch down. I got close a few times but the rear started giving way at full lean and began weaving under power when shooting past the apex. My new Metzelers did the job damn well, they were predictable right down to the SKRESSSSHHHHHH sound.

    After a drink, we made our way back down. At the back of my mind I knew I had to cool it and let the tyres warm up for grip first. But the mad corners were too much to resist and I started leaning the bike more and more.

    Barely 4km down from the mamak restaurant and past the Awana police station, **** happened. It was a totally wicked right hander that signaled the beginning of a corkscrew of tight left and right hand corners. I prepped the bike quickly – braked, downshifted, brought the tacho up to 9000rpm and shifted my ass off the seat to the right, poking my knee out for the first glorious kneeslider-tarmac interface of the downhill run. It didn’t turn out that way.

    There I was at full lean - on a good line thru the turn, throttle gently open and my right kneeslider just brushing the road surface, barely past clipping the apex when suddenly…. the bike just went away from under me! Fuc.k, a lowside! I saw it all in slo-mo thru my Nolan visor. The tank banged my right thigh as it slapped down. We were sliding at dunno what speed and I bailed out by pushing my beloved GSXR400 off and away. I saw it spin around, the headlights as if looking at me in horror and I remember thinking THIS HAD BETTER BE A BAD FUC.KING DREAM. I watched my shiny blue and white bike slide tail first into the waiting ditch, bounce up in the air after the rear rim smacked against the ditch wall, the whole thing hung momentarily in mid air before crashing down upside down. I joined my bike shortly afterwards in the ditch… bobsledding across the hard, dry tarmac on my right forearm and thigh. Un-*******-believable.

    By the time my mates arrived I was already up, stunned in disbelief and incomprehension seeing the bike belly up in the ditch. We grappled the thing out and assessed the damage : crushed front cowling, broken headlamp cover, missing mirrors, bent fairing stay, twisted meter cluster, crushed front brake reservoir, dented tank. The clip-on handlebars looked OK, but the right hand side of the bike was heavily scraped but at least the clutch cover was salvageable because it wasn’t holed. The rear rim was totally busted but my biggest worries were the knackered tail and swingarm. I hope the rear subframe and swingarm aren’t twisted coz if they are, then the bike will be irrepairable and I’ll be forced to accept whatever crap market value given by the insurance guys.



    As for me, well I lived to tell the tale (obviously). My Fieldsheer Torino full suit was scratched on its right ride but it did its job. Looks scruffy now, but I reckon the suit had paid for itself by saving my skin! My Wintex leather gloves and Gaerne boots also did their job – I emerged practically without a single bruise from head to toe. The only pain I had to put up with was an aching right thigh after the fuel tank smacked down on top of it and a slightly sprained ankle from sliding feet first into the ditch. Not to mention a badly bruised ego and bank account about to go up in flames.

    What’s the moral of the story? No matter what tyres you’ve got on – fancy race compound or otherwise - give it a chance to warm up first before going banzai. Don’t learn this lesson the expensive way like me.

    That’s the end of my Metzeler tyre review!
    judging from ur damage, it mus have been quite a ditch...i also low slided in PG. now i'm wondering isst the tyres? the rear shock? isst the geometry of the bike? or is it the way weight has been centralised higher up the bike causing it low slide? better go chk ur rear shock, cos i jus discovered that mine lost its rebound damping....
    hope the bike can be up and running soon mate...
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    Lychee - The cause? Pushing too hard on cold tyres. The rubbers felt excellent at full lean on the way up, but that's after they've warmed up from the ride to Ulu Yam. I guess they're still cold 4km from the restaurant..

    il4 - Hey, thanks mate. I'll probably PM you in the next month or two after my workshop & insurance people have had a good look at the mess.

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    Whatever the cost is, as long as you are okay, nothing else matters. Take care brudder.

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    ermmmmm.... personal point of view onli....
    bt010 tends to get beri slippry on roads thats jus slightly wet...
    almost skid once on a bend...
    and som how feel that not a firm hold on cornerings....

    still prefer bt090....
    how much is a set of bt 090?
    still can get it now?

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    Question about tires: How often does one need to pump them up? Or as and when you feel like they don't perform up to par?

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    For me, about once a mth, but i think it also depends on other factors such as diff tyres, usage, etc. Even if they feel ok to me, i'll still check
    them if i'm at a petrol station, cos i think by the time u can feel the
    diff, its prob been there for some time already...
    Or maybe i'm being paranoid....

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    Lychee - The cause? Pushing too hard on cold tyres. The rubbers felt excellent at full lean on the way up, but that's after they've warmed up from the ride to Ulu Yam. I guess they're still cold 4km from the restaurant..

    il4 - Hey, thanks mate. I'll probably PM you in the next month or two after my workshop & insurance people have had a good look at the mess.
    man...r u alright now?.....then how u get around now ur baby is sick?

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    i think my BT50 stock tyre very good ...hahahahhahahahaha
    last 22k and still going strong and sticky........
    for my little honda bike onli....

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