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    Quote Originally Posted by kzone View Post
    asking for opinions here cos I'm still new into this.. reading & learning as I go along & nothing beats trying out for real.. aware of the learning costs which I'm prepared to pay abit... currently my exit point will be when price drops 8% or increase 20%

    I bought COSCO cos
    - there was 500 lots insider trade at above current price so I'm thinking pr wud go up
    - There was huge volume past few days so I'm presuming some house are buying them providing a resistance level at that price pt
    - starting to learn technical analysis & its graph is showing possible pr break out (if I anlyse it correctly)

    CMYRS, all those point to improved economic conditions but I feel selling is done when these actual results are out. It seems the market had already reacted to all these good news earlier so now waiting for something new to react to. Many small players took out profit today, coinciding with the 1+3 payment days since it broke 1.17 on 16/7 for those on margin trading.

    I expect more $$ going into the market tomorrow since profit selling left the market almost untouched... I have just transferred 6K to my trading fund, but not sure whether to add on to COSCO or pursue my other targets - JAYA, EZRA & BEST WORLD


    T+3 doesn't works these days.. It's actually T+5. I think it's impt to ask yourself, are you trading or are you investing? Or punting?

    Not to gun you down don't take this wrongly, Lemme do the maths for you. You bought 2 lots of cosco at $1.19. Do you know how much brokerage have you paid for this trade? What is your breakeven point? What does Cosco deal with? Any catalyst for it to breakup? How do you know many small players took profits today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekia View Post
    Lemme do the maths for you. You bought 2 lots of cosco at $1.19. Do you know how much brokerage have you paid for this trade? What is your breakeven point? What does Cosco deal with?
    yeah i know all that

    Quote Originally Posted by joekia View Post
    Any catalyst for it to breakup? How do you know many small players took profits today?
    no i dont, how to identify? if u know, can share?

    Quote Originally Posted by joekia View Post
    are you trading or are you investing? Or punting?
    gambling!
    Liverpool revival has started....

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kzone View Post
    yeah i know all that


    no i dont, how to identify? if u know, can share?


    gambling!


    No I dunno how to identify.. but i was curious because you said in a earlier post small players took profits which triggered my curiousity perhaps you can share with me



    CMYRS, all those point to improved economic conditions but I feel selling is done when these actual results are out. It seems the market had already reacted to all these good news earlier so now waiting for something new to react to. Many small players took out profit today, coinciding with the 1+3 payment days since it broke 1.17 on 16/7 for those on margin trading.

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    After a long wait of a month... Finally sold off the Kepland for 30cent profit..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttle View Post
    M1 is 1.61...hehheh. coming closer and closer to my target price.
    1.77 ... sweet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmax View Post
    1.77 ... sweet....
    yeah yippee 20% absolute profit in about 1.5months ....
    cant complain .

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    Seems to be a good run this week so far. Paper losses converted to about 12% profits.
    Still holding out for that 20 to 25% at least before I exit.

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    sometimes, it may be better to make a quick run to the exit then wait for it by locking in a figure.

    this is because of a few reasons.
    it may not hit that amt, till maybe till 6-12mths?
    and if it doesnt reach yr objective u may end up sitting on a yo-yo for awhile.
    and time is money, or opportunity cost.

    u may exit now and wait for a better entry next round?


    just my humble opinion from my personal experience.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

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    Point taken, my friend.

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    Is housing investment worth investing?

    Let's say i've got 200k is it wise to throw 10% down payment for a 800k condo, and lets say take a 10 year loan? And just rent the house out to pay your loans.

    Yes it's a long term investment but the only downside is not being able to rent ur place out.

    What other downside is it to such investments?
    Wise Men say,only fools rush in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    Is housing investment worth investing?

    Let's say i've got 200k is it wise to throw 10% down payment for a 800k condo, and lets say take a 10 year loan? And just rent the house out to pay your loans.

    Yes it's a long term investment but the only downside is not being able to rent ur place out.

    What other downside is it to such investments?
    good question... as i have thought about it too.. about a few months back when the housing prices were downside..

    agent friend of mine passed me spread sheet for loan amount calculation (but dunno where i saved it.)

    if i can remember the figures correctly, 200k dwn for 600k private apartment, monthly installment about 2k with 20yr loan... rental will get back 2.5k to 3k..
    so annual return is about 10~12 % and hopefully chance of property price to go up next 5~10 years time..
    (figures may not accurate..)

    i like the idea.. but still not able to find the right one to get..then property price rebound back and now ended up into equities...

    downside is liquidity.. and who knows what of property market..

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    Is housing investment worth investing?

    Let's say i've got 200k is it wise to throw 10% down payment for a 800k condo, and lets say take a 10 year loan? And just rent the house out to pay your loans.

    Yes it's a long term investment but the only downside is not being able to rent ur place out.

    What other downside is it to such investments?
    imho .... the risks are
    1. Not liquid, so you really need to be able to hold long term
    2. If u got a bad location, you're done

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    A 10% downpayment and just take a long loan like 10-15 years. Even so if the location is bad u still can make quite a profit if your able to hold long term and sell it ya?

    Considering only a 10% downpayment.
    Wise Men say,only fools rush in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    A 10% downpayment and just take a long loan like 10-15 years. Even so if the location is bad u still can make quite a profit if your able to hold long term and sell it ya?

    Considering only a 10% downpayment.
    That is a simplistic way of looking at it.

    Allow me to show you another perspective.
    ==> Should one stuff oneself, one will choke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    Is housing investment worth investing?

    Let's say i've got 200k is it wise to throw 10% down payment for a 800k condo, and lets say take a 10 year loan? And just rent the house out to pay your loans.

    Yes it's a long term investment but the only downside is not being able to rent ur place out.

    What other downside is it to such investments?

    $200k is nothing for property investing.
    Spread yourself too thin, and you'll be screwed.

    You need to have good liquid cashflow and highly manageable commitments.
    Fall into the wrong hole and you'll never climb out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post

    Considering only a 10% downpayment.

    Ever considered how, if your remaining loan is still above the market value and you need cash suddenly for some reason or other?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttle View Post
    $200k is nothing for property investing.
    Spread yourself too thin, and you'll be screwed.

    You need to have good liquid cashflow and highly manageable commitments.
    Fall into the wrong hole and you'll never climb out.
    you mean u need good cashflow to sustain the property?

    what are good options i can make good with 200k?
    Wise Men say,only fools rush in.

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    I've seen a friend of my, buying a condo @ 700k, putting a down payment of10% 70k. took a loan of 15 years. monthly rental to cover the loan, recently sold the house @ 1.3million. but i guess he got a good buy free hold at not a bad location.
    Wise Men say,only fools rush in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    Is housing investment worth investing?

    Let's say i've got 200k is it wise to throw 10% down payment for a 800k condo, and lets say take a 10 year loan? And just rent the house out to pay your loans.

    Yes it's a long term investment but the only downside is not being able to rent ur place out.

    What other downside is it to such investments?
    There are alot of online tools to help you such as :
    http://www.ocbc.com/personal-banking...alculator.html



    However, there are alot of questions you have to answer yourself, such as :

    Based on your current CPF contribution, is it enough to service the monthly mortgage ? If it is insufficient, what is the cash top-up ?

    What is the realistic rental ? What other commitments do you have ?

    Rental rates go up and down depending on supply and demand. You may get $4000/month for two years, but only $2500/month for the next two years but your monthly mortgage payments will not reduce proportionately.

    Property tax will be 10% pa.

    If you have alot of CPF, and a good income, this is one way to cash out your CPF before retirement by means of rental income.

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    interest can be quite alot man.
    Wise Men say,only fools rush in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    interest can be quite alot man.
    How else do you think the bank makes money?? hahaha

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon View Post
    There are alot of online tools to help you such as :
    http://www.ocbc.com/personal-banking...alculator.html



    However, there are alot of questions you have to answer yourself, such as :

    Based on your current CPF contribution, is it enough to service the monthly mortgage ? If it is insufficient, what is the cash top-up ?

    What is the realistic rental ? What other commitments do you have ?

    Rental rates go up and down depending on supply and demand. You may get $4000/month for two years, but only $2500/month for the next two years but your monthly mortgage payments will not reduce proportionately.

    Property tax will be 10% pa.

    If you have alot of CPF, and a good income, this is one way to cash out your CPF before retirement by means of rental income.

    sound advice. but main point is :sustainability

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMchick View Post
    sound advice. but main point is :sustainability
    Like all things in life, as long as your income is maintained, everything can be sustained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ianie View Post
    I've seen a friend of my, buying a condo @ 700k, putting a down payment of10% 70k. took a loan of 15 years. monthly rental to cover the loan, recently sold the house @ 1.3million. but i guess he got a good buy free hold at not a bad location.

    Once liquidity dries up, see whether your knees shake or not.
    if really so easy, straightforward and simple i buy 10 already.
    Of course property agents would like you to think it is that easy.

    $200k is nothing for property investing Ianie, keep it for emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon View Post
    There are alot of online tools to help you such as :
    http://www.ocbc.com/personal-banking...alculator.html



    However, there are alot of questions you have to answer yourself, such as :

    Based on your current CPF contribution, is it enough to service the monthly mortgage ? If it is insufficient, what is the cash top-up ?

    What is the realistic rental ? What other commitments do you have ?

    Rental rates go up and down depending on supply and demand. You may get $4000/month for two years, but only $2500/month for the next two years but your monthly mortgage payments will not reduce proportionately.

    Property tax will be 10% pa.

    If you have alot of CPF, and a good income, this is one way to cash out your CPF before retirement by means of rental income.
    good advice
    above all else, one must consider how stable one's job is.

    by the way, isnt Property tax is 12%?
    I remember paying 12% for the property i am not staying in.
    if owner occupied is 4%.
    On top of property tax there is income tax on your rental.

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    [QUOTE=Throttle;5677295]
    by the way, isnt Property tax is 12%?
    I remember paying 12% for the property i am not staying in.
    if owner occupied is 4%.

    IRAS has reduced it in line with the reduction of company tax whereas owner-occupant property tax is still maintained at 4%

    http://www.iras.gov.sg/irasHome/page04.aspx?id=3700

    Quote Originally Posted by Throttle View Post
    On top of property tax there is income tax on your rental.
    bro throttle, I'm sure you are financially savvy enough to figure out a legitimate avenue to pay minimal tax from your rental income.
    Last edited by Demon; 02-08-2009 at 11:28 AM.

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    oh, now it's 10% only?
    cool.

    minimal taxes? i cannot relate to that.....

    hhmmm...maybe i should seriously go buy 1 or 2 condos next week .

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    starting taking profits recently. slowly but surely. At this levels , i think the market has had all values priced in. many are sitting on the fence but the tendency is to take some profits. i dont expect anymore good news from here. hopefully it can consolidate around 2300 - 2400 and not crash.

    Same with properties, went to look at some but absolutely not compelled to buy. District 9 but low quality finish yet exhorbitant prices. crap. some HDB are even better.

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    I had SGX at 7.1, Semb M at 2.73, Yongnam at 0.235. Can only go for long. No time and $$ to trade.


    Biting on the fray of my hair, I muse upon the way to find the oasis of evermore beyond the vertical horizon, I shall join the windupdeads in owl city, neither my safetysuit nor my red jumpsuit apparatus can save me, cuz I mistook a death cab for cutie in plain white T's...

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    Market up since Monday, Hang Seng was up, we were sure to follow suit. Good news for us since we opened on Tues on a high note.

    Already exited all my positions for 20% profits yesterday.

    If I had hung on till today, it would be 25%.... but oh well, that's the game I guess. Was afraid that it would come crashing down today or tomorrow. Risk/venture/gain/loss.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina View Post
    Market up since Monday, Hang Seng was up, we were sure to follow suit. Good news for us since we opened on Tues on a high note.

    Already exited all my positions for 20% profits yesterday.

    If I had hung on till today, it would be 25%.... but oh well, that's the game I guess. Was afraid that it would come crashing down today or tomorrow. Risk/venture/gain/loss.
    a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

    global equities pause after a 4 wk rally, volumes have been reduced due to summer season n no major news to trade on.

    however, consolidation has benefited USD & JPY the most.
    eur/usd should continue to consolidate due to FOMC in progress.

    take n run n live to fight another day.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMYRS View Post
    a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

    global equities pause after a 4 wk rally, volumes have been reduced due to summer season n no major news to trade on.

    however, consolidation has benefited USD & JPY the most.
    eur/usd should continue to consolidate due to FOMC in progress.

    take n run n live to fight another day.
    Damned straight.

    I took out all my cash and ran away screaming like a little girl....

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    excellant.

    at the moment, everything looks like its struggling to stay afloat tonight.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

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    took partial profit and let it buffer the dips ~ hopefully it don't dip too much
    let see if I'm doing the right thing

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    there goes the bubble

    NASDAQ, S&P, DOW all over -1.5% tonight.

    glad u all got out.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

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    finally!!! Waiting to see my shorts reap. Being holding short positions for the whole week.
    Check this thread out. I am creating a club of bikers for bikers. This is for intercultural intergration. Come on in, fellow bikers.
    http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90550

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMYRS View Post
    there goes the bubble

    NASDAQ, S&P, DOW all over -1.5% tonight.

    glad u all got out.

    Yep. All down tonight.
    We'll prolly see the cascade effect here in Asia come Monday.

    Let the chips fall. Once the dust settles, we can take up positions again.

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    everyone is thinking the same so it may not fall much or at all.
    the big houses are recent buyers this round and they wont be letting go so soon.

    good luck to all.

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    I've been loading up on A-reit and CapitalRetail china reit.. You guys buying anything today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekia View Post
    I've been loading up on A-reit and CapitalRetail china reit.. You guys buying anything today?
    nope, the floodgates are open, time to go short.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

     

     
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    Let's see how far and long this dip is gonna be. Red across the board.

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    wti, brent, gasoil, naphtha, kero and anything crude base is in for a rocky time, options expiry is tonight, enjoy the ride!
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

    Others think for themselves.

    They go their own way.

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    good retracement. gives the market a healthy breather.

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    Loaded more St Engg today... Defensive stocks should be ok i feel...

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    Been loading ST eng since $2.38, just keeping long term , maybe for my kids

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    Seems to be fluctuating today. Can't read anything for nuts. Not taking up any positions at all.

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    the USD kicked off the wk strongly as global equity mkts dropped by 2 or more %.
    Euro/usd is back to 1.405, lowest level since late july.

    US TIC data has been mixed. long term TIC i believe is showing net inflow of $90.7bn but total net is an outflow if 31.1bn. So the TIC breakdown shows strong net demand for US treasuries, net inflow $78bn. Generally, a good sign for things to come.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

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    They go their own way.

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    Hey sidetrack abit, is that a Tiger i see in your avatar CMYRS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by joekia View Post
    Hey sidetrack abit, is that a Tiger i see in your avatar CMYRS?
    Yup!~ Spot On Mite.
    Most people go through life following the crowd.

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