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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    U sure got urself a good bike that has good FC yah....heh heh. Miss her!
    what did u do to ur bike the fc so good har?
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    My bike can go ard 37 km/l
    as just change spocket n chain.
    change EO every month as average km travel for a day is ard 80-100 so need to spare the massive servicing down the road.
    change sparkplug every 2 month again to avoid problems dwn the road.

    think the only pro is the pickup with pillion a bit draggy other than that travel ard 80km/h should be able to hit that rate.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dark_angel View Post
    My bike can go ard 37 km/l
    as just change spocket n chain.
    change EO every month as average km travel for a day is ard 80-100 so need to spare the massive servicing down the road.
    change sparkplug every 2 month again to avoid problems dwn the road.

    think the only pro is the pickup with pillion a bit draggy other than that travel ard 80km/h should be able to hit that rate.
    i have this problem too. Heard that the creep is caused by improper cluth freeplay or something. Will try to diy when im free and keep u updated.
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    Hello Jtzx, C7C sells only Kia and Mitsubishi cars...where got bike!!!!
    Btw Vidak yes 5w40 is a monster of engine oils, last time 1 bottle i got it at 31....mebbe u can get it cheaper elsewhere?. Its one of the premiums oils, used for racing......be prepared for ur TA200 to not have engine brake....experienced it b4.
    Hyder, when i rode the TA200, i serviced the bike monthly irregardless of the mileage i hit every month. I only use EO which i have used b4, check ur air filter as its the "lungs" of ur bike. If "lungs" clogged, bike sure cannot run. Chain tension plays a part too coz it 1 way or another dictates the way u ride.

    Lastly as i've informed jtzx elsewhere, learn to slide into ur gears. Dun rev too hard, dun change ur gears in a "jerky" motion. Tune ur bike engine to be more into the better FC-wise. Thats about all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    ah cool wifey work there got discounts yea if you get a motor from her ;-)


    felt like trying those ;-) but still testing out all the Eo first =p
    how's new vara?
    Vara has lower fc at 26km/l......but generally engine is different and also the use too. U wanna try vara?.....so far my vara got no 2nd rider....muahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    Hello Jtzx, C7C sells only Kia and Mitsubishi cars...where got bike!!!!
    Btw Vidak yes 5w40 is a monster of engine oils, last time 1 bottle i got it at 31....mebbe u can get it cheaper elsewhere?. Its one of the premiums oils, used for racing......be prepared for ur TA200 to not have engine brake....experienced it b4.
    Hyder, when i rode the TA200, i serviced the bike monthly irregardless of the mileage i hit every month. I only use EO which i have used b4, check ur air filter as its the "lungs" of ur bike. If "lungs" clogged, bike sure cannot run. Chain tension plays a part too coz it 1 way or another dictates the way u ride.

    Lastly as i've informed jtzx elsewhere, learn to slide into ur gears. Dun rev too hard, dun change ur gears in a "jerky" motion. Tune ur bike engine to be more into the better FC-wise. Thats about all.
    Thanks for the advice. After tuning and new tyres, fc improved.

    Did a routine check up of my air filter after 10 000 km of travelling. Had the filter to be cleaned by ah chong at 4 000 km.

    What i saw made me

    I saw alot of dust and black duct tape?

    Also noticed a little worn on the sides. Enough said, Ill be heading to lab this upcoming monday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    Hello Jtzx, C7C sells only Kia and Mitsubishi cars...where got bike!!!!
    Btw Vidak yes 5w40 is a monster of engine oils, last time 1 bottle i got it at 31....mebbe u can get it cheaper elsewhere?. Its one of the premiums oils, used for racing......be prepared for ur TA200 to not have engine brake....experienced it b4.
    Hyder, when i rode the TA200, i serviced the bike monthly irregardless of the mileage i hit every month. I only use EO which i have used b4, check ur air filter as its the "lungs" of ur bike. If "lungs" clogged, bike sure cannot run. Chain tension plays a part too coz it 1 way or another dictates the way u ride.

    Lastly as i've informed jtzx elsewhere, learn to slide into ur gears. Dun rev too hard, dun change ur gears in a "jerky" motion. Tune ur bike engine to be more into the better FC-wise. Thats about all.
    yupyup.. but there's a hardely showroom nearby =) so using semi or fully EO best suit ta200? service every month? what did u do? as in full service? go shop ask uncle see where need change just change?

    yup i just blow clean the air filter at planet few weeks ago..

    i finally learn how to slide into my gears.. nr throw clutch and staff already..
    how to tune engine?
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    Hey Phantom riders,

    for those Fuel savy people, you might want to take a look at MyGreenOil Thread to improve you fuel comsumption.

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    Anyone have tried adding 100% pure acetone for phantom to see if the FC got increase? the standard is 2.5ml per Liter of petrol, i thinking of trying when i put full tank next week. Below are some links:

    http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directo...e_Additive:FAQ
    http://www.bcmtouring.com/forum/moto...ic-works-t875/
    http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ne-petrol.html

    Anyone has experience with this ? Some queries will be :
    1) Safe to follow the 2.5ml / liter rule? ( maybe i will try 1ml / liter first...)
    2) Where to buy ?
    3) This is not suitable for fuel-injected engine, just to confirm , phantom is NOT fuel-injected right ?
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    After removing top box, emptying side saddle bags, tuned my carburator and changed my air filter to knn hi flor, i gto from 29.9 to 37.3km/L on esso 5000. just to share. cheers.

    On a side note, turning the carb jet clockwise takes in more air. Vice versa on the other direction on petrol. Monitor your spark plug to make sure you are not running hot. Better to be on the rich side which mine still is.

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    hey..thats wonderful...37.3 km/L..
    by the way your calculation is based on the fuel u used and the speedo readings??

    someone ..infact quite a number has mentioned that the phanton speedo is inaccurate.
    some has mentioned..100km/hr is actually 80km/hr..
    based on this 20 % diff in speed...
    Can i assume that the 37.3km/L is actually 37.3x.8??= 29.84km/L?????

     

     
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    does the mileage being calculated from the speed
    or maybe like those bicycle circumference of tyre kind?
    HAHAHA.. i dunno..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    yea yea.. my Fc is improving from 35km to now 42km... ;-)
    This is amazing! I didn't really take note of my FC so maybe i should now. Some bro mentioned about lowering the idling speed. How does that help to reduce FC and how can it be done.

    Thanks!

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    idling doesnt help much. tuning it does., at your own risk.

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    the greatest tool to use in good fc ..is:

    1. your right hand...twist gently when pick up..
    2. your left leg...change to the highest gear gently..
    maintain at the lowest possible speed at any gear.
    3. you right leg..use sparingly..watch out for hazards and avoid hitting the barkes.
    4. shed loads on the bike..including your GF.
    5. plan your route with leastest traffic lights.
    6. service and maintain your bike properly...eg correct air pressure for tyres..slightly higher for better fc...but bad for braking..

    how many of the above can you do?? if all of them..then 50km/l and above is not that impossible.

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    When I was newer, I went really slow and could achieve about 37-39km/l. Nowadays, I ride faster to avoid being tailgated and being (nearly) sideswiped by other larger vehicles. And my FC has taken a huge hit to 32km/l
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    Quote Originally Posted by rylche View Post
    When I was newer, I went really slow and could achieve about 37-39km/l. Nowadays, I ride faster to avoid being tailgated and being (nearly) sideswiped by other larger vehicles. And my FC has taken a huge hit to 32km/l
    my fc ranges from 26km/l to 36km/l

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    remove all your box(s)/bag(s) to get a good FC.

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    agree.. i remove my 3 box. bike feels so light.. shoik lahz..
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    Have anyone tried fuel additive b4?? i saw it at Giant Vivocity. Forgot the brand, but cos about $5++ i think. Very small bottle. It look like for car, but dun know is bike can use or not...

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    Will update with picture soon. Maybe I will give it a try on my bike and update you all also...

     

     
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    i dun its a good idea to put that on bike..
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    fuel addictives... you won't feel much difference on the phantom... unless it is nitro...

    I do use octane boosters when I go thailand though... since their petrol is horrible...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    agree.. i remove my 3 box. bike feels so light.. shoik lahz..
    you shd try my bike man..
    definitely feel weightless t you.. haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by devil.L View Post
    you shd try my bike man..
    definitely feel weightless t you.. haha!
    lol this is getting off-topic but I have to post this... my other bike weigh only 85kg!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidaK View Post
    lol this is getting off-topic but I have to post this... my other bike weigh only 85kg!
    true, lets not get ot..
    but, aiya nvrmind, nxt time thn ask you.. dun get ot here. (:
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    I jus gt a TA 150.. is the fuel comsumption for TA150 much lower than TA 200? i only manage to fetch ard 30km/L.. like much lesser than most of u..

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    does the mileage being calculated from the speed
    or maybe like those bicycle circumference of tyre kind?
    HAHAHA.. i dunno..
    I've been given to know that ALL motorcycles, with the exception of digital speedo (ala Bajaj Pulsar) over-read their speeds by 10-20%. I used to boast of hitting 160kph - obviously that is more akin to... *80% = 128, oops, still illegal.

    Anyways, "indicated" speed may differ from "actual" speed - what I like to do on the road is find a newer-model Honda Civic with the huge digital speedo on the dash and check my real speed that way.

    1. your right hand...twist gently when pick up..
    2. your left leg...change to the highest gear gently..
    maintain at the lowest possible speed at any gear.
    3. you right leg..use sparingly..watch out for hazards and avoid hitting the barkes.
    4. shed loads on the bike..including your GF.
    5. plan your route with leastest traffic lights.
    6. service and maintain your bike properly...eg correct air pressure for tyres..slightly higher for better fc...but bad for braking..
    Good pointers - but a few observations from riding:

    1. Coasting downhill -

    Does engine braking use more fuel? Or pull in clutch and freewheel more economical?

    2. Gear changing

    Is it more fuel efficient to short-shift (change early) or to let the engine run up to optimal RPM? On my old bike I like to spend as little time as possible getting up to speed then cruise at 6th.

    3. Riding & Cornering

    Drafting behind other cars - does it reduce wind resistance if you ride behind someone? This will reduce power needed to cruise = more fuel efficient. Watch the road conditions way in front, though.

    On this note - tunnels may give better FC as there is much less wind/turbulence in a tunnel. This is very noticeable in the KPE - there is much less noticeable "wind" from the front than when riding at the same speed on the surface.

    Cornering - When conditions permit try to maintain a reasonable speed. A lot of drivers like to jam brakes whenever they see a corner, holding everyone up dangerously. Some filter lanes leading to highway onramps, for instance, can be 'attacked' at quite high speed without risk if you are familiar with nearby traffic lights.

    One example is Woodlands Ave 3 -> BKE where the onramp is quite steep and usually needs some time on low gear to negotiate. However, if you can enter the corner wide and turn in closer to the inside ("apex") my 125Z could negotiate the uphill at a generous speed of close to 90kph (indicated).

    Obviously my new TA200 is not as agile as a cub but I think if I rode with the intention of preserving momentum it can reduce a lot of braking and hard acceleration work.

    But of course...

    Maintain situational awareness!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidaK View Post
    lol this is getting off-topic but I have to post this... my other bike weigh only 85kg!
    Looks like im more heavier than ur other bike.....wonder what bike yah....
    I want to see the world and i'm pretty sure the world wants to show a little something to me.

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    Hello everyone

    I do a 190 km ride every weekend commuting to my job here in Thailand. Filled the tank to the brim, mountain and country roads for 80kms and good road and freeway for 110, kept the speed down to 90kph indicated for most of the way. Although did touch 100-110 occasionally, 31 kms per litre. Recently serviced, new air filter and plug. I weigh 86 kilos and maybe 10 kilos of luggage strapped to the sissy bar, usual crap in my bags, tools, tyre gauge and toilet roll, that kind of thing. I am happy with that. Also remember that Thai petrol quality is dubious, the pump indictated 91 octane gasoline but may well have been gasahol.

    Happy Trails

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    That's pretty decent!

    Now there are people who question the viability of a 200cc cruiser bike but from my observation it works pretty darn well :3

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyan View Post
    That's pretty decent!

    Now there are people who question the viability of a 200cc cruiser bike but from my observation it works pretty darn well :3
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    Insurance : $320
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    HDB Season parking : $176 ($14.7 x 12)
    Fuel : $250 (50 ringgit x 12 / 2.4)
    ERP/parking : $50 (No ERP on the way to school )
    Maintenance : $250

    Total : $1110 a year = $92 a month. Affordable for a student
    All those working adults riding a phantom must be saving tons of $$$
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhi Ming View Post
    Yearly Expenditures ;
    Insurance : $320
    Road Tax : $64
    HDB Season parking : $176 ($14.7 x 12)
    Fuel : $250 (50 ringgit x 12 / 2.4)
    ERP/parking : $50 (No ERP on the way to school )
    Maintenance : $250

    Total : $1110 a year = $92 a month. Affordable for a student
    All those working adults riding a phantom must be saving tons of $$$
    maintainence still got tyre , chain,sprocket,chain roller,camchain tensioner,engine(if need to overhaul) , if got parking fine or traffic offence :x

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    Don't forget to feed the rider too.

    I 'accidentally' suffered from dehyhdration because I spend 4-6 hours riding non stop.

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    Covered 700km since 18 Mar, on 20 litres of fuel giving FC of 35km/l.

    Very decent considering Yamaha Hell-Rider mode and having 2 side boxes. Big room for improvement if I stop blasting the throttle to disturb pedestrians, and get rid of the scrambler-like sprockets which will enable low rpm cruising.

    Tip: Don't exceed 90kph - FC would increase as most of the engine power will be used to overcome air resistance from this point onwards.

    ps. Yep, pickup will decrease if I use smaller rear sprocket but the issue now is I have way too much acceleration and no high speed dash capability because the RPM tops out way before max speed.

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    All bro out there, I got my TA200 in Jan 10. So far my FC around 38 - 45 km/l due to decent riding without any mods. Using ESSO 5000 fuel is pretty good................

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    can hit 41-42km/L constantly. My riding consists of 75% on expressway at 80-90km/h speed and the rest in weaving through traffic jam at 40km/h. My bike has a 42L givi rear box and uses NGK platinum spark plug, motul 7100 20w50 full synthetic engine oil and shell #95 petrol. I guess the key is to accelerate gently and change gear early without excessively reving the engine. Usually my bike is at 6th gear upon reaching 62-64km/h.

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    mine is averaging about 34km/l.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    is your bike still running with 2t premixed?
    the next thing going to happen is lost of power....as leakages at the inlet/exhaust valves will be coated with soot and unable to close properly..

    better stop the experiment or top overhaul is inevitable..
    take care....
    Yes, i m still running on 0.3% 2T oil premix. Nonetheless i have not experienced any loss of power after 6000km. The engine is smooth and quiet leh. probably not that much soot can be formed at such low 2T concentration given that the fuel mixture ratio is properly tuned and engine runs at healthy rpm.

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    I somehow don't think the 2T benefits much....

    If you want smoothness just get some good Motul oil and keep the engine well tuned, and leave everything stock. Hondas are simply bulletproof.

    And ride with a gentle hand on the throttle. You can go faster (strange but true) and have tofu smooth handling

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    Final FC report after poking my engine with a stick for a month, drilling holes in the airbox, etc;

    40-42km/l on 'industry standard street testing course' involving 80-90kph cruise on highways, repeated full throttle starts from traffic lights. I follow a very predictable and constant routine commuting to and from work each day.

    With Chex9000 motor oil, she purrs like a kitten at idle (solved the vibration issue!) and roars like a lioness at full tilt. Unsafe to rev in enclosed spaces

     

     
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    Hi all Bros,

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    I have another (scientifically proven) idea to improve engine efficiency...

    Some mad Frenchman I think designed a 6-stroke engine, possibly used today in industrial applications only. One of the extra strokes are used for refrigerating the fuel-air charge.

    As you know, aircooled engines partially rely on the incoming fuel-air mixture for cooling (hence carb tuning plays a huge role in efficiency).

    Therefore installing some sort of heat exchanger on the fuel line may possibly yield some dividends if it can cool the fuel down perhaps 1-2 deg C.... or wrap the tank in your winter jacket and put dry ice in

    I'm willing to experiment with creating a miniature air to air heat exchanger system just for the fun of it next month.

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    Wow, an interesting take on water injection.

    A long time ago when doing military history stuff I stumbled on late WW2 German aircraft that injected a methanol-water solution into the fuel-air charge to retard detonation and thus, enable significantly higher boost pressures.

    A typical Daimler Benz 1200hp supercharged engine produced over 2000hp on this "MW50" water-injection for short bursts by the end of the war.

    Now since my engine does run a bit hotter than normal Phantoms I could borrow your chain oiler concept to dispense water onto the cylinder block. Air mist assisted cooling!

    For doubters of the science, I have benefited from a lorry speeding home at 100kph leaking water out the tailgate creating a huge mist (fish delivery lorry!). I rode in that mist and omg, I could do the "Bernoulli effect supercharging" all the way without the lean mixture overheating the engine.

    At that time the carb mixture wasn't properly tuned yet.

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    how much fuel additives ca save your FC?? As a personal opinion, fuel additive might do a great job for higher C.C bikes..and motocars.

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    Fuel additives are completely useless and marketed without lab tests. If someone can't tell me how it works scientifically IN SIMPLE ENGLISH, it's a scam.

    Conversely, doing *cough* Type R modifications to improve engine efficiency and power per stroke eliminated flaws in the basic Phantom design to give me a desired balance of throttle response, quick acceleration and 41.5km/l FC.

    Don't need explanation on how an exhaust wrap decreases engine temperature by up to 40%, for instance. It's old school tuner knowledge you can learn and exploit yourself on any engine.

    Magical fuel pills that claim to save 10% mileage? No thanks.

    It's the right hand and the brain that are the primary controls of FC.

    Save the money, get a toolkit



    ps. A long time ago I made a 25km/l design go 37km/l while increasing cruising speed from 90 to 130. I got that boost for free, doing the same things I do now to my Phantom ie, simple mechanical tuning.

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    The good thing is, it can be made out of household materials

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    interesting idea

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    haha is 27km/l on a phantom 150 good? and 2T consumption like not very fast.. wat is the average consumption of 2T? 1 litres every 1k km?

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    27km/l on a 2stroke is decent! See if it can reach 30 with smaller rear sprocket and careful riding!

    2T consumption - depends on engine design and 2T flow rate. TA150 owners should be able to tell you their average 2T usage.

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    I'm trying to get my FC up to 50km/l and beyond with some super careful clutch control and coasting downhill to gain/conserve momentum.

    Last week's 47km/l was pretty much full throttle time attack with the gents from TPY and nearby. Yes, I was on max. torque all the way

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