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  • Shell 92

    25 5.41%
  • Shell 95

    100 21.65%
  • Shell 98

    59 12.77%
  • Shell V Power

    59 12.77%
  • ESSO

    97 21.00%
  • SPC

    38 8.23%
  • Gold with Techron 98

    13 2.81%
  • Silver with Techron 95

    33 7.14%
  • Dont pump in Singapore at all or sometimes only, prefer to pump in malaysia

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    u sld try 95, i used to pump only 98 too, now use 95 ler... 98 u feel more pwr, 95 u feel smoother...
    Is 92 or 95 enough? I always pump 98 only leh!
    at the end of the day it's only a phantom, not a r1 or r6 ..haha 95 would be the best choice for me..no need for 98 or v-power..lesser power, not exactly smoother on the road but definitley on the wallet

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesone3 View Post
    at the end of the day it's only a phantom, not a r1 or r6 ..haha 95 would be the best choice for me..no need for 98 or v-power..lesser power, not exactly smoother on the road but definitley on the wallet
    yup.. use the minimum petrol can le... dun need so good petrol. afterall a 2B bike only.. Petronas primx best la.. cheap and good.
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    Honestly felt no noticeable difference between 95 and 92. Gotta say that I did feel happier with the added cash savings with 92 though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rylche View Post
    Honestly felt no noticeable difference between 95 and 92. Gotta say that I did feel happier with the added cash savings with 92 though!
    i from 95 pump vpower... a little change only.. But no point la.. how fast can i go in singapore anyway..

    so petronas primx the best... cheap and good =D
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    i from 95 pump vpower... a little change only.. But no point la.. how fast can i go in singapore anyway..

    so petronas primx the best... cheap and good =D
    yup, n cost wise too. for a period of time i was in love with vpower... any day i dun pump vpower instantly my gf will ask me, why bike so noisy, u pump 95 right... haha... so i totally changed all e way vpower... but hor, pocket did burn a small hole... much more ex then 95 when used for long...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmjoe View Post
    u sld try 95, i used to pump only 98 too, now use 95 ler... 98 u feel more pwr, 95 u feel smoother...
    Thanks bro, will give 95 a try. Cheers!
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    Pump regularly at the caltex station opposite to JB City Square on sunday.
    It was always so packed when the old malaysia custom was opened, but now...
    Anyway, petrol price there:
    techtron 95 at RM 1.80/l = S$0.75/l
    techtron 97 at RM 2.00/l = S$0.83/l

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    Hi everyone, can someone take a picture of the max level to pump in the petrol? Cos that day I pump petrol I dun know wat is the max level le... and do you all pump setting on the bike? or put on side stand?(Dun know got different or not) Pardon the newbie here.

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    if possible keep ur bike straight by sitting on it, den jus pump till u feel it wun overflow

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    pump when bike is upright. then can pump to the max... in singapore dun need do that la.. everywhere also got petrol station..

    for me i will squeeze as many petrol as possible..
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    Quote Originally Posted by razali1980 View Post
    Hi everyone, can someone take a picture of the max level to pump in the petrol? Cos that day I pump petrol I dun know wat is the max level le... and do you all pump setting on the bike? or put on side stand?(Dun know got different or not) Pardon the newbie here.
    My method : open fuel cap , fill the fuel till top of the INNER edge , not the top of the fuel cap , ie fuel should not touch your fuel cap. Taught by Snapel so maybe he can give a better explanation

    Pump upright , but shell stations require side stand and pump while standing , but malaysia no need , just sit down , open cap , pump , pay the guy beside the kiosk and off you go .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmjoe View Post
    if possible keep ur bike straight by sitting on it, den jus pump till u feel it wun overflow
    i think some stations dont allow doing that...

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    yea true... but nowadays wen i pump i try to hide frm the staffs and sit on my bike to pump

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    Just make sure you don't spill any petrol on your groin while sitting on your bike. It has happened before to others and it will happen again. Make sure its not you.

    Seriously, how much more can you squeeze in? another 500ml? What's the biggie about getting off your bike?
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    yup, agree with blackdawn... not much of a diff also, while sitting n pump or put side stand and pump...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDawn View Post
    Just make sure you don't spill any petrol on your groin while sitting on your bike. It has happened before to others and it will happen again. Make sure its not you.

    Seriously, how much more can you squeeze in? another 500ml? What's the biggie about getting off your bike?
    Quote Originally Posted by armani123sg View Post
    yup, agree with blackdawn... not much of a diff also, while sitting n pump or put side stand and pump...
    thats true for singapore. everywhere also got petrol station also..

    But for malaysia. Different case. Squeeze!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    thats true for singapore. everywhere also got petrol station also..

    But for malaysia. Different case. Squeeze!
    Yeah... every drop counts when pump in m'sia... cos the missing volume from sitting pump and stand pump can cover the journey back to SG...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    in that case check with silent...he has fitted a road tanker into his bike..
    one fill can go up to thailand without refueling..
    Wah seh... up to thailand... how many litre is tat sia???

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    Quote Originally Posted by razali1980 View Post
    Yeah... every drop counts when pump in m'sia... cos the missing volume from sitting pump and stand pump can cover the journey back to SG...
    Its all a matter of perspective:

    Lets say you can squeeze in another 500ml of petrol by sitting on your bike. That's about RM1.5=SG0.60. That is not worth the risk of spilling petrol on my groin (no matter how unlikely).

    Likewise, spending at least an hour to travel to JB for 13liters of petrol is a complete waste of time to me. Good for some people, not worth it for others.
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    malaysia's shell 95 feels like 92 leh...anyone else feels the same ?
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    if i pump malaysia shell, i would go for v-power =D
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    Hi guys, when you all pump petrol in Malaysia where do you all usually pump?? Like woodlands or 2nd link? And is it just across the causeway or have to go further in.

    Sorry, newbie here so I have yet to cross the river. I'm thinking of going over one day to pump petrol. Any timings i should go to avoid the peak period?? Thanks.

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    Just wish to comment here that my tank contains SPC 92 now, feel no different from SPC 95. I guess can really save $$$ by pumping SPC 92 - with 10% discount on my credit & SPC card - only $1.60 per litre.

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    Hi guys, when you all pump petrol in Malaysia where do you all usually pump?? Like woodlands or 2nd link? And is it just across the causeway or have to go further in.

    Sorry, newbie here so I have yet to cross the river. I'm thinking of going over one day to pump petrol. Any timings i should go to avoid the peak period?? Thanks.
    they would usually go in by the 2nd link almost every friday nights..for makan and petrol..
    refer to the FNO thread for more details..

    http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums...d.php?t=160997

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    Phantom engine is designed for 9:1 compression ratio, so according to this gentleman's analysis at http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible_pg3.html

    Compression ratio Octane
    5:1 72
    6:1 81
    7:1 87
    8:1 92
    9:1 96
    10:1 100
    11:1 104
    12:1 108
    95 should be used according to carbibles' analysis but it also depends on the engine design. Phantom manual says 92 is fine... in which case my old ride (125Z with 6.5:1 compression) had best results with Esso 92 (2000).

    It gave the same smoothness as Shell V-Power minus the hole in wallet.

    Still waiting to collect my "new" phantom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyan View Post
    Phantom engine is designed for 9:1 compression ratio, so according to this gentleman's analysis at http://www.carbibles.com/fuel_engine_bible_pg3.html



    95 should be used according to carbibles' analysis but it also depends on the engine design. Phantom manual says 92 is fine... in which case my old ride (125Z with 6.5:1 compression) had best results with Esso 92 (2000).

    It gave the same smoothness as Shell V-Power minus the hole in wallet.

    Still waiting to collect my "new" phantom
    o,o really? i tot lower octane petrol will harm engine cos its dirty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    hey petrol is never dirty...no matter the grade...
    what comes out of ur bike behind is..hahahaha
    phantom is a low compression bike..92 can ride liao..
    haha... icic... thx bro...
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    end of day, this is wat i concluded
    1) got money pump 98/vpower
    2) no money just pump wat is on the manual
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    Was running Shell95 since I collected bike on Thursday. Rode at moderate speed with occasional full power blasts and no complaints. (Do not imitate my riding style unless you dare to do performance break-in. :3)

    But as I'm now "training" for top acceleration and speed I'm going to use a few tanks of V Power. Purely vanity and TLC induced decision as this is "only" a 9:1 compression motor but as max compression is only attained at max power I'd like to help the engine as much as I can.

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    Hi Guys

    On my Thai instruction manual is a big 91 in a red circle. Honda Thailand maintain that the bike is designed to run on 91 octane gasoline so that is what I have used for 20,000 Kms with no problems, touch wood.

    It seems to me that the fuel you all in Singers should be using is 92, but entirely up to you.

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    so far the lowest we have is 92 if im not wrong, so that will be the minimum for us... i'm using caltax 92, no difference in performance compared with 95 but cheaper

     

     
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    My bike hates idling with 92 and 95. She thinks she deserves 98 or better :3

    Runs brilliant though!

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    the myth regarding using lower octane lvl fuel will damage the engine is entirely false.

    as phantom engine compression ratio is low, octane 92 fuel is more than enough to propel it, using any fuel higher than octane 92 does not give the engine an output power boost significantly if any.

    the reason why bikes in motogp or even formula one cars use high lvl octane lvl fuel is due the extremely high compression ratio.

    in layman's terms, the higher the octane lvl the higher the resistance to knocking (predetonation).

    you do not want the fuel to combust during the compression stroke (as the piston moves up towards TDC, the air-fuel gets compressed and heats up to a very higher temp) and before the power stroke (piston moves down towards BDC) (i.e: the spark plug ignites causing the air-fuel to combust and expand driving the piston towards BDC)

    in an event of such a situation, the engine will lose power and in severe cases the engine will ki chia (up lorry).

    for phantom's engine octane 92 fuel is more than good enough, using any higher lvl octane fuel is akin to burning $$$.

    in a nutshell, if your engine compression is very high and requires fuel of at least octane 98, you go and pump 92, in this case you will be doing harm to your engine.

    if your engine compression is low, it's requirement is only octane 92, you go pump 98 or even v-power. that is wasting $$$. of cos if you have $$$ to burn and don mind burning $$$. it is really up to the preference of the individual.

    just sharing my limited knowledge on fuel octane lvls what it means and how does it affect combustion in petrol-propelled engines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahcaibiker View Post
    the myth regarding using lower octane lvl fuel will damage the engine is entirely false.

    as phantom engine compression ratio is low, octane 92 fuel is more than enough to propel it, using any fuel higher than octane 92 does not give the engine an output power boost significantly if any.

    the reason why bikes in motogp or even formula one cars use high lvl octane lvl fuel is due the extremely high compression ratio.

    in layman's terms, the higher the octane lvl the higher the resistance to knocking (predetonation).

    you do not want the fuel to combust during the compression stroke (as the piston moves up towards TDC, the air-fuel gets compressed and heats up to a very higher temp) and before the power stroke (piston moves down towards BDC) (i.e: the spark plug ignites causing the air-fuel to combust and expand driving the piston towards BDC)

    in an event of such a situation, the engine will lose power and in severe cases the engine will ki chia (up lorry).

    for phantom's engine octane 92 fuel is more than good enough, using any higher lvl octane fuel is akin to burning $$$.

    in a nutshell, if your engine compression is very high and requires fuel of at least octane 98, you go and pump 92, in this case you will be doing harm to your engine.

    if your engine compression is low, it's requirement is only octane 92, you go pump 98 or even v-power. that is wasting $$$. of cos if you have $$$ to burn and don mind burning $$$. it is really up to the preference of the individual.

    just sharing my limited knowledge on fuel octane lvls what it means and how does it affect combustion in petrol-propelled engines.
    That may not be the case for all PK. I tried 95 to V-power for my TA 150 and the diff is great. 95 gives slightly more power but is louder at 90kph than 98. I dunno y, but 95 gives me some prob when starting in the morning, but 98 is totally fine. But V-power to 98 is not much of a diff(only on pick-up), at least not for my bike.

    95 gives a fc of abt 24km/L, but 98 gives abt 27km/l(i hit 30 before on 98). so by spending another 80cents on petrol, i can travel another 25km+/-, which is another litre of petrol on 95(i save $1 per top-up). not much, but think its worth it..

    burning $$, case to case basis..

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    for me i initially pump shell 98 than switch to shell 95 and now caltax 92... for some reason i feel smoother with caltax 92 or petronas 95 than shell 95, duno y... but for my fc wise

    petronas 95 -> ard 35km/l
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    caltex 92 -> ard 36/l

    fc will not always be the same after every pump due to riding style etc... but no matter wad, boleh land petrol is always the cheapest and best option, if not clatax 92 is good enough

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    I got the best ever recorded mileage from V-Power but the cost of it and spending 4-6hrs on the bike each day discouraged me from it. Non vpower still gets me where I need to go.

    Using SPC98 now because of the DBS/POSB mastercard discount.

    SBF forumer YangKru recommended SPC for its smoothness on his bike and I didn't have any complaints despite losing some FC. For my old and new bike Shell does indeed give better FC for a given cruising speed and RPM.

    Anyways the Shell station near my place is run by some pretty terrible staff at night so I stay well clear.

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    Erm... i try some experiment on my bike... dunno got 70% accurate anot. I try to ride as per normal and de route is from my camp to home only everyday. Lets say everytime i pump 10L (Esso only). This is the total mileage the 10L give me.

    92 - 1.726 - $17.26 - 21km/l - 210km
    95 - 1.783 - $17.83 - 23km/l - 230km
    98 - 1.862 - $18.62 - 26km/l - 260km

    The cost per KM is:

    92 - $0.0821
    95 - $0.0775
    98 - $0.0716

    Erm... dunno like this calculate correct anot... Pls advice... Thx!
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    Without questioning your competency in recording the figures above (thats a very good study!), I must say that I'm quite impressed to go that far

    It raises an interesting question regarding octane... 98 gives better mileage (and performance?) for a high-revving motor?

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    Basically, you’re wasting your money if you buy high octane fuel. You should start off with the octane level your bike's manual(ron92) calls for; if you still hear knocking or pinging, you might try the next step up(ron95). If the problem persists, you’ll probably need to have a tune-up or some diagnostic work done. Don’t think that putting high octane fuel in your little Phantom will make it run like a race bike – it just doesn’t work that way.

    Pretty much all of the fuel grades commercially available have cleaning additives in them, so you needn’t choose a high octane fuel with the idea that it will clean your engine better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupidmkc View Post
    Erm... i try some experiment on my bike... dunno got 70% accurate anot. I try to ride as per normal and de route is from my camp to home only everyday. Lets say everytime i pump 10L (Esso only). This is the total mileage the 10L give me.

    92 - 1.726 - $17.26 - 21km/l - 210km
    95 - 1.783 - $17.83 - 23km/l - 230km
    98 - 1.862 - $18.62 - 26km/l - 260km

    The cost per KM is:

    92 - $0.0821
    95 - $0.0775
    98 - $0.0716

    Erm... dunno like this calculate correct anot... Pls advice... Thx!
    High octane fuel (for high compression engine) which is actually more difficult to ignite compared to lower octane fuel might be the reason.

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    I agree on that but in reality there are a number of us who don't mind investing in the more expensive fuels for the additives. And it does stop the knocking on mine as I'm running a lean engine but the reward is gauranteed 42+km/l FC on the highways each day (and if you know me, that's full throttle riding).

    So math wise the Esso 8000 with 'friction reducers' is mucho cheaper than the V-power (also with 'friction reducers') and performance wise, well, it feels good to me if she can accelerate from 80-100 in less than 2 seconds!

    There is the vanity factor too, like full synthetic oil. There are some who go wtf synthetic on a slow chopper? But have you seen some elder gentlemens' old Phantoms running at 130kph? Those conditions (high rpm, high temps) do call for investing in superior lubrication.

    And I have destroyed mineral EO in under 1000km hehe. (whoops strayed into oil territory here but you get the vanity point, si senor?)

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyan View Post
    I agree on that but in reality there are a number of us who don't mind investing in the more expensive fuels for the additives. And it does stop the knocking on mine as I'm running a lean engine but the reward is gauranteed 42+km/l FC on the highways each day (and if you know me, that's full throttle riding).

    So math wise the Esso 8000 with 'friction reducers' is mucho cheaper than the V-power (also with 'friction reducers') and performance wise, well, it feels good to me if she can accelerate from 80-100 in less than 2 seconds!

    There is the vanity factor too, like full synthetic oil. There are some who go wtf synthetic on a slow chopper? But have you seen some elder gentlemens' old Phantoms running at 130kph? Those conditions (high rpm, high temps) do call for investing in superior lubrication.

    And I have destroyed mineral EO in under 1000km hehe. (whoops strayed into oil territory here but you get the vanity point, si senor?)
    running lean on a phantom? good luck then

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    Since when did personally-owned vehicles conform to strict running conditions?

    I've seen bikes that were never serviced for years, a 4 stroke running on 2T like Energizer Bunny despite a gang of protesters in tow, and being fed over the counter additives that probably harm the engine.

    All of them perform to their owners' specifications, they haven't given breakdown reports (as the culture goes if we get a breakdown we usually report online FAST), and most importantly, it's their bikes.

    Not relying on standard 'rules' and not relying on mototiam expertise to run my machine is part of the adventure.

    Most don't know the simple, effective forms of tuning or use an air pressure gauge when they fill my tyres, so from the Phantom on, it's hands off for them

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    Guidelines is there for a reason. Those who wants to maximize their bike potentials would go beyond(upwards) the guidelines not beyond(downwards) as part of the adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    ur calculations is A1...std..
    but your method is just statiscally sh-itty.
    haha... okok...

    hmmm... but any of u experience that higher octane can give more mileage? or is it me only?
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    Me too. 95 - rev away roaring maintaining top speed. 98 w friction reducers, smoother acceleration and nicer sound.

    I had a main tank of Esso 95 and a reserve of Esso 98 last night it seems (no idea how that turned out, from partial refuel last time?). I ran down the main tank to zero, switched to reserve and suddenly the engine sounded and felt much better.

    Whatever advertised "friction reducer technology" is in things like Vpower and Esso98 do make a difference, the question is whether you're willing to pay for them. I'd rather go Esso98 because it's always less than $2/L.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyan View Post
    I had a main tank of Esso 95 and a reserve of Esso 98 last night it seems (no idea how that turned out, from partial refuel last time?). I ran down the main tank to zero, switched to reserve and suddenly the engine sounded and felt much better.
    There is only 1 physical tank on the phantom with 2 outlets; the higher one is the "main" and the lower one the "reserve". It is not possible to segregate the fuel in the "main tank" and "reserve tank"

    It kindof shows how subjective it is to judge fuel performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stupidmkc View Post
    haha... okok...

    hmmm... but any of u experience that higher octane can give more mileage? or is it me only?
    i feel that for 92 , shell is better then caltex which is better then SPC.

    Currently running on SPC cause of their 15% discount till May 31st...after this will swtich back to caltex or jb's shell again
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    I noe use 95 is enough for phantom bt can somebody tell me which brand is better?

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    LOL. For those stuck in Singapore I think Esso gives the most 'bang for the buck'.

    I used to like Esso 2000 (that's their 92) for my kup.

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