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  • Shell 92

    25 5.41%
  • Shell 95

    100 21.65%
  • Shell 98

    59 12.77%
  • Shell V Power

    59 12.77%
  • ESSO

    97 21.00%
  • SPC

    38 8.23%
  • Gold with Techron 98

    13 2.81%
  • Silver with Techron 95

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  • Dont pump in Singapore at all or sometimes only, prefer to pump in malaysia

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalyan View Post
    LOL. For those stuck in Singapore I think Esso gives the most 'bang for the buck'.

    I used to like Esso 2000 (that's their 92) for my kup.
    I'm using Esso Syn5000(95) and is rather good as I'm enjoying 13% off.
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    Ya, and even w/o discounts their 98 with 'friction reducers' and other additives is as good as Vpower at least on advertised specs, without the $2.20+/litre price tag.

     

     
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    for some reason i find tt the petronas 95 is better than shell 95...

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    Doing comparison running through full tanks over the week;

    Right now it's Esso 98 vs Shell V Power. V Power takes the lead in both performance and mileage. I guess you get what you pay for!

    Results to follow...

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    ESSO's 92 (2000) can only last me 300km/9 litres. Lately riding very badly, kept rushing to places.

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    New skill: Carb tuning for different fuel octanes. 95 no power!? No such thing!

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    Am using Caltex 98 most of the time.....getting about 35km/l

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    Dad's car loved Caltex or it's just that he loves Caltex and makes a show of revving the engine more than normal to show off the Caltex power

    On my Yamaha, I got pretty low fuel economy when using Caltex Platinum for some reason (but that's long before my days of carb tuning).

    Using SPC95 due to the double discount (DBS card + SPC card).

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    Haha i did 41km/L for shell v-power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechosenx View Post
    Haha i did 41km/L for shell v-power.
    Wah, you guys must weigh only like 50+ to 70+ KG only? I can never achieve so high.
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    I took out my back box recently and only have leather side bags also never carry much inside. Changed my side mirrors to smaller one, realise that the stock ones are much heavier. Yes I only weight 51kg =x

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thechosenx View Post
    I took out my back box recently and only have leather side bags also never carry much inside. Changed my side mirrors to smaller one, realise that the stock ones are much heavier. Yes I only weight 51kg =x
    Yup, that answers my question! Tks! I'm double your weight and i have 3 boxes (Top & Sides Panniers) with tools, rain suit, jacket, wind breaker, etc..
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    LoL. Try to lower your stuff to carry? I think will try quite alot.

    What's your best FC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechosenx View Post
    LoL. Try to lower your stuff to carry? I think will try quite alot.

    What's your best FC?
    I'm doing like 9l for 250km.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    welcome to the club of 20km/L..with open arms
    for that u will be awarded the hononary class 2a license
    ya lor! steed only 20-22km/l, sian, but damn nice to ride... haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pureice68 View Post
    I'm doing like 9l for 250km.
    wa bro that is pretty high consumption for a ta 200 alrdy

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    Haha my friend told me super 4's FC is around 20km/L also.. So like ezzyoiler said its 2A liao..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    welcome to the club of 20km/L..with open arms
    for that u will be awarded the hononary class 2a license
    Quote Originally Posted by armani123sg View Post
    ya lor! steed only 20-22km/l, sian, but damn nice to ride... haha!
    Quote Originally Posted by kmjoe View Post
    wa bro that is pretty high consumption for a ta 200 alrdy
    Quote Originally Posted by thechosenx View Post
    Haha my friend told me super 4's FC is around 20km/L also.. So like ezzyoiler said its 2A liao..
    Think my weight and all the add ons are killing my bike! The best I've ever done is 278km.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    welcome to the club of 20km/L..with open arms
    for that u will be awarded the hononary class 2a license
    Mr Koh, how you calculate FC again? I think I better do a manual chart for my FC better. Still can't figure out how to use the applications on iPhone. Damn &$%^&^% applications can't give me any FC till now! Hahaha...
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    I suspect something could be done with the carb settings.

    I'm quite heavy and generate lots of wind resistance + side boxes = 45km/l with stock intake. 42 if riding fast on highways all day.

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    Went down to Dr Chong on Sat and he re-tuned my carb and asked me to try again. If FC still not good den will have to replace carb! Let's see how the result! Cheers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pureice68 View Post
    Went down to Dr Chong on Sat and he re-tuned my carb and asked me to try again. If FC still not good den will have to replace carb! Let's see how the result! Cheers!
    If it works for you, then it is also time for me to see Dr Chong's help to retune my carb liao.

    how much is a new carb ah?

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    Carb tuning is easy so long as

    i) you know how the carb works, and related terminology (ie, rich/lean, and how to detect such conditions)
    ii) adjustments don't involve jetting, slides, pilots, etc, which are internal

    Quite safe to DIY the mixture screw, since this is not a top-fuel dragster engine and definitely won't explode or anything. Will complain a lot if setting is wrong and won't dump you on the side of the road like certain Yamahas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pureice68 View Post
    Went down to Dr Chong on Sat and he re-tuned my carb and asked me to try again. If FC still not good den will have to replace carb! Let's see how the result! Cheers!
    Many ways to improve FC. Generally the way you ride is crucial. Followed by proper carb tuning, correct tire pressure, load on bike, etc.

    Doubt petrol type (95, 98) will have much an effect.

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    Pureice rides like the Battlestar Galactica, slow, stately, like a cruise ship. He should be getting at least 35 (given full set of boxes) if not 40.

    I'm getting 42 from modified intake, full throttle street riding, and yes the carb is set extra rich (lean = explode instantly).

    So I suspect something's up with the jetting, which unfortunately we can't DIY carbs yet.

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    wow... sad case for TA150... i only get max 25km/l... even i hav tune my carb to b slight lean...

    envy those riding TA200... can reach 40km/l... T.T
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    It's a pity the 150 doesn't have an RPM meter; I recalled from my cub racing days that running 2-strokes at a certain higher RPM made them more economical; something to do with exhaust resonance.

    Depends on how the exhaust system is designed, it will start 'supercharging' the cylinder at a certain RPM range. Nope, doesn't involve racing valves, etc, just pure 2 stroke physics.

    And everyone still doesn't believe me when I say a 125Z can eat a sportsbike in FIBUA conditions, while giving 37km/l!

    Maybe some years down the road I'll get a 150 for a hobby bike and relive the good ol 2 stroke days :3

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    mine fc very unstable.. sometimes as good as 36km and sometimes as poor as 32km.. faints.. continue to keep track of FC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    mine fc very unstable.. sometimes as good as 36km and sometimes as poor as 32km.. faints.. continue to keep track of FC.
    got box usually like that one la... haha... last time my phantom also like that... immediately after my overhaul, i got 40-42km/l, then slowly reduce to 38, then 36, then 32, it started maintaining at about 36km/l... when i used fully synthetic oil, e fc was worse than using semi...

    anyway, today when i was riding my steed home after sending my gf home, i felt super shiok... e bike super responsive and very nice, was quite shocked.. then i realised, e only difference i did today was to pump esso 98... past 2 weeks all e time shell 98 only... usually i pump 4-8litres of shell 98... today i only pumped in 4 litres of esso 98, i feel a difference, better difference...

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    guess bigger bikes can feel the difference in different petrol better than us ya?

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    Hmm for me i pump 1L of 95 and i feel the difference straight away. Then yesterday last day of V-power pumped up full tank. Its very heavy but can feel the RAW POWER! Love it

    Went to 130 without problems

     

     
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    Vpower contains certain additives that are 'friction reducing', possibly assisting with top-end lubrication of the valves, etc. At least I can't think of any other moving parts that the fuel touches. (Leaving the carb out as it deals with vaporisation of the fuel only).

    So I think the general effect is like putting 0.5% of 2T into the fuel tank... without the fear of carbon fouling, etc, as the petrol does have extra detergents.

    For this purpose, Esso 8000 also claims to have similar 'friction reducing' properties, but way cheaper. At $2.20 a litre or more, the gains in V-Power economy and performance may be questionable, versus cheaper Exxon.

    A Filipino forum has some discussion on this subject; apparently the additives in Vpower were derived from Formula 1.
    http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29006

    I'm not sure if the local Vpower is 95 or 98 octane based. This may differ from country to country (Thai VPower is 95 Benzine)

    On another performance car forum:

    For fuel injector cleaners, Chevron's Techron (used to and may still be used under license for Shell V Power) and Seafoam have been highly effective. Regular use of Shell V Power will clean out any engine as it has the highest concentration of detergents in any US gasoline.
    Perhaps, you do get what you pay for

    Source: http://ncc.bmwcca.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6967

    There's another camp that says, Phantom is not a performance bike so... it all depends on personal opinion in the end.
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    been pumping caltex 98 platinum.. not bad as well.. feel that is smoother than shell 98 i used to pump... FC about 36... but of cux cant beat VPOWER! haha!
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    I have been using SPC 95 for my car over the last 8 years. When I do try other brands occasionally, I feel the performance gains are minimal compared with the price difference. Also I am biased to SPC because they basically regulate the stupid petrol cartel here. For my bike it's also SPC 95. 95 because it definitely reduces engine ping compared with 92 and there is almost no gains to be seen using 98 over 95 except for the bigger hole in my wallet.

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    hi guys..been riding a phamton for a few weeks..im still quite new to bike..just to check..is dere any recommendation for puming petrol for ta200..been feeding my phamton shell 98..another question is that do. i have to wait my current tank to run dry b4 pumping other petrol?

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    i have been using caltex 92 in singapore and petronas 95 in msia... u dont have to wait till dry... anyhow mix is ok de

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    i like mixing 95 and msia Vpower together... Good pickup ;D
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    Yep, as aforesaid, petrol is petrol, mix and match at will.

    This is not the same in other countries, for example in Thailand there are various types of petrol. Benzine, etc. Newer biofuels, ethanol mixtures, etc are not recommended in older engines like ours as they are more corrosive.

    Looking at the compression ratio of the Phantom, 95 should be fine provided you're on a stock engine. Yes there are some utterly crazy morons like me who modify Phantoms for performance so Vpower all the wayyyy

    The thing about higher octane for greater performance is very hard to prove on a non-performance tuned engine (it only 'feels' better due to placebo effect). Low compression cannot make use of the higher octane... it's the additives in the petrol that makes the difference, hence fancy advertising for esso98, vpower, etc.

    However, if you get strange pinging noises from your engine (old bike) then try 98. So far only two of us have complained about combustion knock

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    ron grade malaysia is lower singapore petrol grade and quality are higher and better

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom spawn View Post
    ron grade malaysia is lower singapore petrol grade and quality are higher and better
    Are you saying MY petrol is better when compared to the same grade SG petrol??

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    Quote Originally Posted by kan0n View Post
    hi guys..been riding a phamton for a few weeks..im still quite new to bike..just to check..is dere any recommendation for puming petrol for ta200..been feeding my phamton shell 98..another question is that do. i have to wait my current tank to run dry b4 pumping other petrol?
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    Own Preference; I chose SPC95 cuz after trying out esso, shell, caltex, SPC95 has better FC on my phantom. Esso gives me smoother and powerful rides.

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    No. but advised to do so if you want to find out which suits your riding style best.

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    previously using Caltex 92 and getting ~62km/l

    change to SPC 92 and getting ~60km/l

    just changed from mineral EO to full synthetic and getting ~61km/l

    next might try SPC 95 and see if there is any improvement. riding a cub.

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    used to pump shell 95, it seems ok, fc was 35km/l. when cruising at 100-120km/h, can feel the stress of the machine (machiam cant load further and felt heavy vibration).

    last week, pumped full tank of shell v power at jb, then push the bike and felt that it was very heavy (dont feel the same weight/load when pumped full tank of shell95).
    then cruised at 100-120km/h w/o opening too much throttle, immediately can feel not much stress being loaded onto the machine and it seems like very light during that cruising speed of 100-120km/h....the feel is very nice, hope can achieve more than 40/l for fc which was already achieved for shell95^^

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    Someone mentioned before in the earlier posts. RON affects knock resistance only and the total energy released when ignited is the same.

    A quick search on wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

    "Octane rating does not relate to the energy content of the fuel (see heating value). It is only a measure of the fuel's tendency to burn in a controlled manner, rather than exploding in an uncontrolled manner. Where octane is raised by blending in ethanol, energy content per volume is reduced"

    "Many high-performance engines are designed to operate with a high maximum compression, and thus demand high-octane premium gasoline. A common misconception is that power output or fuel mileage can be improved by burning higher octane fuel than a particular engine was designed for. The power output of an engine depends in part on the energy density of its fuel, but similar fuels with different octane ratings have similar density. Since switching to a higher octane fuel does not add any more hydrocarbon content or oxygen, the engine cannot produce more power."

    Simply put, fuels of higher RON is useful for engines with high compression (eg turbocharged engines).

    But then, since 98 burns less readily, shouldn't it give a poorer FC? The flame front expands slower than that of 92 in the same time. Food for thought.

    This also explains why most people (car drivers included) feel that their engines run smoother with higher grade petrol, as 98 burns less violently than 92.

    Vpower is a different story as they add a secret ingredient. I suspect it's NOS. lol


    I pump spc 92 and am comfortable with the engine vibrations up to 110kmh on our meters. Hard to put an exact number on FC, due to so many variables like riding style, parking location (fuel evaporates faster under the hot sun), traffic condition, EO condition......

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    i havent pumped 98 for a while now. been using 92 mostly and 95 occasionally and 98/V-Power never.

    i guess i should feed my bike with RON98, i can't stand the vibrations of late.

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    its interesting that when i use SPC 92, i'm pushing only 29-30km/l, but when used spc 95, could hit 34-35km/l, will have to try one more time this tank of spc 92, if not really go back spc 95 already....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Icomeforyou View Post
    its interesting that when i use SPC 92, i'm pushing only 29-30km/l, but when used spc 95, could hit 34-35km/l, will have to try one more time this tank of spc 92, if not really go back spc 95 already....
    When using malaysia shell RON 97, my FC is around 44-45km/l , when i use SPC 92 , my FC drops to 42km/l...can feel its weaker , like more sluggish.
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