Haha, if my opinions are biased, then why are there so few Daystar riders and why is the resale value so low? Just a thought, how many Daystar riders here bought their bikes brand new from CKA?
By the way, the foot positioning of the Yamaha Dragstar is in a much better feet forward postition. But of course, it's only my opinion. But I guess Yamaha can now charge 1.5 times the price of a Honda Shadow for its Dragstar, huh?
Oh yah, you are the same person who questioned why I compared the prices of CKA with second-hand ones here and then went on to tell the world exactly why they should think twice about buying from CKA. Tell me about being biased[/QUOTE]
Hmm.. I think its gotten over your head in trying to condemn daystars so badly.. By my initial post, I simply meant that daystars look n feel way better than phantoms. But one should take note of the pros n cons when buying from either private owners or from CKA.
That being said, are you trying to say that phantoms will not be overpriced if one decides to get one from a shop? The reason why this is not as dominant is because it is relatively easier to get hold of a second hand phantom. But what would your confidence level be if you were to get a phantom from a shop? Bad feedback has not been rare. CKA? yes we hear complaints about the price alot, but about problems with the bike? Not alot. Maybe even seldom.
So let me try to put my point across again, in case you cannot understand. As per how you try to make fair comparisons, I will first compare 'private purchased phantoms' to 'private purchased daystars'. Comparisons will be based on prices, given knowledge of the comparisons of performance to preferred outlook. So, you buy a phantom for 2-3k, sell it off for maybe a depreciation of 0-500 in a year's time, not much of a depreciation to talk about. Then you buy a daystar for maybe 1.5k or less, and sell it off less 0-500 too. So then you realise there's really not much of a depreciation to talk about. Talking about repair then, daelim parts are more expensive in general, but that comes along with a certain degree of 'guarantee of quality'. Phantom parts? Much cheaper, but the thailand/malaysian made products have been known to be of lesser quality, meaning simply they wear faster and require replacement at more frequent intervals. I doubt one can even find original honda parts for a phantom.
Comparing 'shop purchased phantoms' to 'shop purchased daystars', one will easily find daystars to be of a higher price at CKA. But that too comes along with a much higher confidence level that worn parts have been duely replaced. Even the paint and chrome looks new. Phantoms on the other hand have a certain degree of uncertainty, which may be dependant on the individual 'shop confidence level'. It is not rare to see, in the forums, customers complaining of newly purchased 2nd-hand phantoms that come with malfunctioning parts. When i visit shops myself, I have yet to see 'shiny' phantoms on sale.
That being said, I want to say again phantoms are known for 2 things, performance and common-ness, and less known for servicing intervals. Possibly the fastest 2b cruiser, but the looks just don't make the cut. Daystars on the other hand are way less common, look much better and underperform possibly due to its weight and size. Its weight and size make it easily the biggest 2b bike, along with the Hyosung Aquila, which comes with a v-twin. The aquila is much rarer though.