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    Superfourian,what 4T is most frequently used and best supported..?

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    Motul

     

     
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    Used to use Motul..but after using Maxima Ultra..it is much much better!
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    Motorex the best of best

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    Originally posted by sabbaha@Oct 31 2006, 12:38 PM
    Used to use Motul..but after using Maxima Ultra..it is much much better!
    try 300v...

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    I personally tried Maxima, and i'm currently still using Maxima... But intend to switch back to Motul... I feel Maxima is as gd... But... Very 'Leh Chey'... Coz hav to change EO when milege reached 3 to 4k km... Whereas Motul can last till 5k km... and its nt dat rough after 3k km...

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    Using Maxima Extra now. Reaching 5000km but still going strong (no rough or anything). Previously tried Esso, used less then 1000km i can feel the roughness liao. Maxima

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    how bout castrol r4 or power1??? i have been using it for 1 yr liao... haven try other b4.. so don really know hows good is castrol


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    Originally posted by Flaky_Boi@Oct 31 2006, 07:32 PM
    I personally tried Maxima, and i'm currently still using Maxima... But intend to switch back to Motul... I feel Maxima is as gd... But... Very 'Leh Chey'... Coz hav to change EO when milege reached 3 to 4k km... Whereas Motul can last till 5k km... and its nt dat rough after 3k km...
    Maxima, to borrow a tagline from Yokohama Advan tyres, "Not for everyone"! Those who use the right grade of Maxima for their bike and ride sufficiently long and hard will find that it stay smooth well into 5k even with hard track usage.

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    Originally posted by ANR Impex@Nov 1 2006, 12:35 AM
    Maxima, to borrow a tagline from Yokohama Advan tyres, "Not for everyone"! Those who use the right grade of Maxima for their bike and ride sufficiently long and hard will find that it stay smooth well into 5k even with track usage.
    So what type of Maxima EO would you recommend for a Super 4 bike? The Maxima Ultra or the Maxima Extra? Well let's just say we want endurance wise... eg having a smooth ride till 5k km or more?

     

     
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    Can try either the Extra 15W50 or the Ultra 5W50 for super4. Both will be pretty durable.

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    total 15w50 .....every 3000-3500km i just change it with STP engine oil treatment... cos i budget budget ...

    Ink and Needles is where i feels my pain...I am a 60km/h rider so don't horn at me ... ...

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    MOTUL Double Ester Factory line, 15W 50...... up!

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    Originally posted by juhzac@Nov 1 2006, 12:48 AM
    So what type of Maxima EO would you recommend for a Super 4 bike? The Maxima Ultra or the Maxima Extra? Well let's just say we want endurance wise... eg having a smooth ride till 5k km or more?
    Use Maxima Extra... Maxima ultra is thinner than Extra thus it's not as good...
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    Maxima Extra 15w50


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    been using esso gold 10w-40 ever since i got my bike ..it's gd ....
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    Originally posted by hanzi24@Nov 5 2006, 09:56 AM
    Use Maxima Extra... Maxima ultra is thinner than Extra thus it's not as good...
    Thinner EO doesnt means its nt as gd....

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    i tried maxima very lasting, this time round i try using elf. very smooth n solid. cheaper than maxima too. full syn.
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    Originally posted by Flaky_Boi@Nov 5 2006, 03:14 PM
    Thinner EO doesnt means its nt as gd....
    ooo... ok... im just quoting what the mechanic to me... so i believe him lor...
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    Me using ROCK oil.. goodz....

     

     
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    Originally posted by hanzi24@Nov 5 2006, 09:52 PM
    ooo... ok... im just quoting what the mechanic to me... so i believe him lor...
    U cant say gd or no gd regardin dis... There's a purpose for using diff types of EO... If like wad ur mechanic says, y dun they stop selling thinner EO like mineral oil totally...?

    All i can say is, diff ppl gt diff preference....

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    Originally posted by hanzi24@Nov 5 2006, 09:56 AM
    Use Maxima Extra... Maxima ultra is thinner than Extra thus it's not as good...
    Yup just changed to Maxima Extra.... shoiks! Can feel the difference, smoother ride, smoother gear changing.... But i noticed the engine sound on idle is louder.... But Maxima rocks! Recommended.... macam i work for maxima like that..... haha!

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    Originally posted by hanzi24@Nov 5 2006, 09:52 PM
    ooo... ok... im just quoting what the mechanic to me... so i believe him lor...
    Thin oil favours high rpm power, engine and shifting smoothness. Thick oil favours lower rpm smoothness, quietness and shifting. The gearbox design can also be a contributing factor to which oil viscosity works best. In general, super4 seems to work great with a wide range of viscosity, mostly depending on user preference and riding style (high or low rpm). As for mechanic, they can only give you a generalised view of things, you have to try it out yourself and find your own preference.

    The Ultra is the top end product with a superior base oil ester to Extra. The special ester is extra tough and temperature stable, hence allowing a thinner oil without sacrificing durability. It is meant for the most demanding applications, including turbocharged engines. If thicker is the solution to performance, we'll all be running 20W60 oils.

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    Wao... tough choice... i dunno pick which ultimate oil for my future bikes. But maybe I would share the experience i had form the use in some of the oils in this vote.

    I have tried 5 of the mentioned brands since my first ride on a 4 stroke machine.

    Very old CBR400RR-J :-
    I had bad experience with castrol. Great and smooth on the fresh change. But to my surprise, within the 3rd day, it felt like a 4000km mileage oil. Flushed it out immediately and tried motul. Heavily commuting both in VERY high revs and traffic stuck conditions, it manages to stay consistent and maintains the same "viscosity feeling" throughout 5000km. But can really feel a tad of "heaviness" in the oil.

    2000 R1 :-
    Silkolene feels really consistent and virtually last up till 7~8k mileage. I was using the 15W~50, and this riding feel that it last very long indeed.
    Tried Maxima once (thinner oil .. can't remember the viscousity). Immediately, I can feel the difference. With an almost 90k mileage engine, the maxima felt very much noiser. But the GOOD part is, its much smoother into the high revs and slightly lowered engine running temperature. i dunno whats the numerical difference, but it did felt cooler. Gearshifts feels alot more silky rather than the sticky/cushioned feeling from sikolene. Not an issue to me but, i would love up/downshifts to be fast n silky when my tacho needle is somewhwere int he clock's 1st quadrant.

    VFR 2003 :-
    All along using sikolene as its stable, last damn long, consistent. So consistent that before and after and oil change, i don't feel any difference though. And i ride my VFR very relak one. The high revs also not very high as compared to the sport machines.
    I used Maxima 15W50 whjen once asked to be a guinea pig It felt smoooher a little bit. Consistency and mileage it can cover is almost comparable to the sikolene. but once i tried maxima thinner oils on it, i ssem to have not as good gear shifts, especially down & to neutral. After changing back to thicker oil. I am a happy man.

    2006 R6 :-
    With experience from the R1 and friend's bike who uses a thinner oil, I went for maxima, and a lower visc 5W50. Silky smooth once its passd about the 1k mileage. shiftings were very positive. Very constant high revs in NS highway + high revs with intense gear change on the track gave me bright smile. It remained well reving, and consistent till abt the 4~5k mark before it went "coarse" feeling. Temp wise, i cannot comment. The R6 is so hot that i can't tell from feeling.

    Next change i did with 5W40. Fantastic.!.. thinner.. yet I loved it more. But with stuck in lights kinda traffic, it feels thin out.. dunno why. But my temps reading almost 105deg liaos!!. With this visc in, i rode very little commuting, but almost max revs in m'sia. Surprisingly it lasted till almost 6k++ before its got the "time to change ME" indication while riding. Should thins oils need to rev hard to get it going and prolonged? i wunder...


    I would reckon myself to go for thinner oils if I am constantly revvyyy. As for which brand(of the same low visc), i have no comments as the R6 have been fed with Maxima. Pose no problems so far. low visc gives smooth, slick, fast gear shifts, exactly what i want to have in a high revving, quickshift situations. Somemore it maintains stability and lasted quite a while considering always at ridiculous revs..i think i got the most out of the 2.5liters man.

    Low revs, relak riding with cushy slicky shift is what i prefer and think i would pick a thicker oil. Last longer anwyays.... sikolene and maxima the thick category.. i'll anyone one man!


    I happen to read up this article, http://newpaper.asia1.com.sg/guide/story/0...,116836,00.html on the newpaper (electric version) thickness of oil only, dunt 100% determine wear n tear to engine. The labs test shows oil quality itself is the secondary factor to protection/wear rate. The oil I am using for my R6 now is one of the top 4 contenders in the test... So why not? I'll probably stick to Maxima for this high revving baby till someone unveils another fluid to convince me. somemore the last part mention more BHP leh... ok mah..

    I think ultimately is to identify which type of riding holds a higher percentage in the amount of KMs you spend on your baby. Then you can choose which visc to try out, followed the different brands of the same visc.


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    great stuff stanley!

    have been using thick oils throughout since my style of riding is more relax and even on touring, seldom whack high rev... so really love the consistency maxma and motul EO gives...

    can feel slight diff before and after change of EO, usually a bit rougher initially. after a few hundreds of Km would smoothen till 5,000km. i reckon can stretch till at least 6,000km mileage but never did that before.

    also, generally hear from most sports bike riders that thinner oils works better for them...



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    where got sell maxima? how much you guys pay?
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    No one use BP Vistra???


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    Royal Purple the best!! But do u guys know other then motorworld, which other motorshop carry royal purple go? cause motorworld doesn't cary it any more.. i just changed it recently and it was the last 4 bottles.. hit me back if u know othr shop carries a royal purple eo!! Thanks!!
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    Sanfu stocks up Royal Purple.

    I stil stick to RockOil since my RX-Z days...

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    Originally posted by Fazli@January 17, 2007 09:31 am
    Sanfu stocks up Royal Purple.

    I stil stick to RockOil since my RX-Z days...

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    Originally posted by Nur@January 17, 2007 12:05 am
    Royal Purple the best!! But do u guys know other then motorworld, which other motorshop carry royal purple go? cause motorworld doesn't cary it any more.. i just changed it recently and it was the last 4 bottles.. hit me back if u know othr shop carries a royal purple eo!! Thanks!!
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    Originally posted by kennethy@November 15, 2006 01:55 am
    great stuff stanley!

    have been using thick oils throughout since my style of riding is more relax and even on touring, seldom whack high rev... so really love the consistency maxma and motul EO gives...

    can feel slight diff before and after change of EO, usually a bit rougher initially. after a few hundreds of Km would smoothen till 5,000km. i reckon can stretch till at least 6,000km mileage but never did that before.

    also, generally hear from most sports bike riders that thinner oils works better for them...
    eh... nothing very great.. just a lotta words nia

    Just sharing my personal opinion and experience. No right or wrong. Gain from other, use it, experience it and learn is whats most important.

    I just found something interest from my last oil change. My prev maxima 5W40 managed to last up till around 5500km before I actually can feel rough. The EO before that of the exact same grade, only lasted around 4000~4500km. Thats almost 1000km more! But i noticed my riding style is much different between this 2 EO changes.

    The one which lasted less mileage, riding style is mostly commuting with weekend high rpm blast. The one which last me of a higher mileage is of about 98% NS highway blast. Seems like this ultra smooth thin oil actually performs as well, yet last longer with harsh riding....
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    Originally posted by sabbaha@January 19, 2007 03:12 am
    how much is that? Royal purple brapa?
    Per Bottle $24!! I don't bother much abt the price cause the more u fork ur money, the better qualitly u get!! That's only from my 2cents view.. Can feel e deiifrence right after u change it.. Much better if u change the oil filter as well Previously use Esso gold, quite gd but not compare to Royal Purple
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    Originally posted by Nur@January 19, 2007 02:34 pm
    Per Bottle $24!! I don't bother much abt the price cause the more u fork ur money, the better qualitly u get!!
    Let u in on a well known secret, the RP car oil is available locally at retail price of S$11.90/quart only, can the bike oil be double that price? This product has been MO'ed to death in SBF in the past.

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    Originally posted by ANR Impex@January 31, 2007 10:51 am
    Let u in on a well known secret, the RP car oil is available locally at retail price of S$11.90/quart only, can the bike oil be double that price? This product has been MO'ed to death in SBF in the past.
    That's wat i mean by the expensive the price is the mor quality u will get.. u gotta try royal purlple
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    How bout elf 4t..?? Theres one in 20w50.. Anyone tried before..??


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    so for maxima how many use extra to ultra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossOver View Post
    How bout elf 4t..?? Theres one in 20w50.. Anyone tried before..??
    i use elf.
    Excellent.

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    been using Mobil1 since my first bike..excellent n smooth gear change n will last u more than 6k mileage..

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris147 View Post
    been using Mobil1 since my first bike..excellent n smooth gear change n will last u more than 6k mileage..
    If you haven't tried other brands, you won't know if there are better ones out there While M1 MXT4 is pretty good stuff, it is also quite pricey for what it is.

    For similar price, the market has ester based fully synthetics like Silkolene, Motul and of course Maxima. Ester base represents the best in engine oil technology.

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    Yes, you are correct. But i dun mind to spend my hard earn money on something tht's tested n proven..cos i know i'm taking gd care of my bike.
    Anyway, time is almost there to change my EO, so i will try something new..maybe Maxima..since it got overwhelming approval from bikers here

    Ride safe.

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    Any review on the engine oil unique motor is promoting .
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamkaka69 View Post
    Motorex the best of best
    what bike are u riding why do u think so ?

    i am a just a cute fox with nine tails

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    yeah i also wanna know is ows good ?

    i am a just a cute fox with nine tails

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    Quote Originally Posted by ^FOXY^ View Post
    yeah i also wanna know is ows good ?
    The typical OWS bundled with the plugs is "synthetic", while they make a much more expensive PAO based "100% fully synthetic". If one is 100% fully and more expensive, then the a lot cheaper one obviously isn't the same level, right? So what's going on?

    http://www.ows-germany.com/lubricanta.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ANR Impex View Post
    The typical OWS bundled with the plugs is "synthetic", while they make a much more expensive PAO based "100% fully synthetic". If one is 100% fully and more expensive, then the a lot cheaper one obviously isn't the same level, right? So what's going on?

    http://www.ows-germany.com/lubricanta.html
    Bro wat do u mean??ur explanation very chim man....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FZ06 View Post
    Bro wat do u mean??ur explanation very chim man....
    Very simple, the same 3 level of products, say durain.

    Salesman 1 call it: "budget", "normal" and "best".
    Salesman 2 will call it: "best", "even better" and "best of the best"

    So can you see that "normal" for one is really the same as "even better" for another salesman? The sad case is that the term "fully synthetic" has become just like the term "even better".

    It all started in the 90's when big oil companies started arguing that certain 'high grade' petroleum base oils are 'as good as' synthetic base oils for 'general use'.

    So they swapped the more expensive synthetic base for that cheap highly refined petroleum base and still market it as 'fully synthetic' at the same price before. Production cost reduced a lot, but sell same price, make big money. Lawsuits were filed but surprisingly they won. Now it become common practice.

    The quality of the 'fully synthetic' product cannot make it for extreme applications (like racing and motorcycles), so along came "100% fully synthetic". Only a handful of performance oils are still true synthetic base and usually they will state clearly "100% fully synthetic" and "PAO" or "Ester" base. Hope this makes it clearer.

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    great info from this thread..
    I'm using Maxima extra...

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