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    hi ppl (:

    can anyone pls share with me if ur s4 rear brake is efficient?

    over here, my problem is when i try to brake using the rear brake, it does not seems very efficient? my fren who is riding cbr400 oso had this similar problem. and my bikeshop fix a new pair of brake pad (rear one) for me. it does not seems to improve. he told me new brake pad need to season, but pass a few days ardy and i keep riding, seems not to haf any improvement. what is the problem?

    hope u guys can help me with this (:

    cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    hi ppl (:

    can anyone pls share with me if ur s4 rear brake is efficient?

    over here, my problem is when i try to brake using the rear brake, it does not seems very efficient? my fren who is riding cbr400 oso had this similar problem. and my bikeshop fix a new pair of brake pad (rear one) for me. it does not seems to improve. he told me new brake pad need to season, but pass a few days ardy and i keep riding, seems not to haf any improvement. what is the problem?

    hope u guys can help me with this (:

    cheers.
    Maybe you should try bleeding
    Anyway s4 brakes dun really "eat" well
    If you want better braking power then you can change to aftermarket brake hose

     

     
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    ok. glad to know tt its s4 common problem !!
    thanks bro !

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    if bleed of air still cannot, try spraying some oil to the brake pump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    hi ppl (:

    can anyone pls share with me if ur s4 rear brake is efficient?

    over here, my problem is when i try to brake using the rear brake, it does not seems very efficient? my fren who is riding cbr400 oso had this similar problem. and my bikeshop fix a new pair of brake pad (rear one) for me. it does not seems to improve. he told me new brake pad need to season, but pass a few days ardy and i keep riding, seems not to haf any improvement. what is the problem?

    hope u guys can help me with this (:

    cheers.
    the rear brakes are for slowing down in combination with the front. No issues on that.

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    wonder why my rear brake disc was like kinda black, like burnt marks.. any wrong with the pads?
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    is ur previous bike's brake syst single rotor for the front? if so, u hav gotten used to the braking pressure u apply for the previous bike, n maybe tt's y now u feel tt the rear brake of super4 has less braking power, cos super4 uses dual front rotor syst.



    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    hi ppl (:

    can anyone pls share with me if ur s4 rear brake is efficient?

    over here, my problem is when i try to brake using the rear brake, it does not seems very efficient? my fren who is riding cbr400 oso had this similar problem. and my bikeshop fix a new pair of brake pad (rear one) for me. it does not seems to improve. he told me new brake pad need to season, but pass a few days ardy and i keep riding, seems not to haf any improvement. what is the problem?

    hope u guys can help me with this (:

    cheers.

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    i also find S4 rear brake is very weak. got to apply more pressure than a light tap just to prevent it from rolling back on a slope. Last time when riding phantom its rear brake is very effective.
    During stopping i normally apply 70% or more of front brake.
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    maybe need to change brake disc liao??
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    disc brake? as in s4 not using disc brake on the rear??

    yup buttbutt8, i think all of us has the similar problem. front eat, rear dun eat.

    unclevtec, maybe so. cos i riding phantom previously. but comparing rite, phantom rear brake seems more efficient to me leh?

    ztaik, maybe u haf to check if ur brake pad is finishing? or it may be normal if ur brake pad is "black coated". my 2 cents (:
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    Quote Originally Posted by ztaik View Post
    wonder why my rear brake disc was like kinda black, like burnt marks.. any wrong with the pads?
    Your disk are already burnt. Need replacement, cause of problem pads rubbing against the disk while on the move thus causing over heating and causing material failure. Maybe your right leg's stepping on the brake pedal or your rear caliper's jam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    disc brake? as in s4 not using disc brake on the rear??

    yup buttbutt8, i think all of us has the similar problem. front eat, rear dun eat.

    unclevtec, maybe so. cos i riding phantom previously. but comparing rite, phantom rear brake seems more efficient to me leh?

    ztaik, maybe u haf to check if ur brake pad is finishing? or it may be normal if ur brake pad is "black coated". my 2 cents (:

    I don't have this problem of rear brake's not biting. Check your brake pads maybe it had been polished shiny. You need to go easy on your braking for the first 500kms as told by most brake pads manufacturer. If not your pads will actually be glazed and will not be as effective.

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    brake pad n rotors r alway in contact with each other. only no pressure is applied if brake pedal is not compressed.

    anyway, brake pads shd b made of softer material compared to those of the discs. cos brake pad is a sacrificial item cos its cheaper than the discs. simple to say, we change brake pad more often than brake disc. salesman might say brand A pad is good, rossi is using. but thats for track use. road use? can use but not that suitable. anything wears out fast, need to replace, we as end users pay n not the salesman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skateboy View Post
    brake pad n rotors r alway in contact with each other. only no pressure is applied if brake pedal is not compressed.

    anyway, brake pads shd b made of softer material compared to those of the discs. cos brake pad is a sacrificial item cos its cheaper than the discs. simple to say, we change brake pad more often than brake disc. salesman might say brand A pad is good, rossi is using. but thats for track use. road use? can use but not that suitable. anything wears out fast, need to replace, we as end users pay n not the salesman.
    Yes of course they are constantly in contact with each other. What happens when apply additional pressure constantly? The brake pads will heats up and thus glazing the pads. If continue to use pressure and contact for the next several hundred kilometers then the result will be burnt brake rotors. Cos I use to face this problem my right leg will unknowingly apply pressure on the brake pedal thus the rotors got heated and turns blackish. I re-adjusted my riding position and now got no problem.

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    The rear brake is always less "efficience" for few reasons :

    1) During braking, the bike weight will shift to front. The rear brake has less effect.

    Under hard braking, the effect is more obvious. Until a point that, the rear wheel will lift up and lost contact from tarmac.

    2) Rear brake 'too' efficient will cause wheel lock.

    Thats why most of the bike (even for cars) has bigger disc brake at front but small (single disc or drum brake) at the rear.
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    i had this prob too... every bike shop i go will ask me to change my brake disc due to roughness on the surface and brake pad cannot eat properly at the brake disc.

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    yes yes, went to my motordiam today, i ask em why they change new brakepad for me still dun eat. last tym tell me need some time to season. but after 300-500km still the same.

    this tym they help me check thoroughly. is bcos the rear disc plate not flat anymore (rough surface) tts why cannot eat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    hi ppl (:

    can anyone pls share with me if ur s4 rear brake is efficient?

    over here, my problem is when i try to brake using the rear brake, it does not seems very efficient? my fren who is riding cbr400 oso had this similar problem. and my bikeshop fix a new pair of brake pad (rear one) for me. it does not seems to improve. he told me new brake pad need to season, but pass a few days ardy and i keep riding, seems not to haf any improvement. what is the problem?

    hope u guys can help me with this (:

    cheers.
    how about concentrating more on front brakes ? rear brakes r never more efficient than the front

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    school always teaches 70% front 30% back..

    rear brake not biting a lot doesnt matter.. unless you say not biting at all..
    you dun wanna do counter steering when you jam e-brakes with a very sensitive rear brakes..

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    yah, maybe i have not get use to a bigger bike ba. now feel better wit the condition ardy. thx guys for the advise !!

    cheers !! (:
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    Quote Originally Posted by biting_point View Post
    school always teaches 70% front 30% back..

    rear brake not biting a lot doesnt matter.. unless you say not biting at all..
    you dun wanna do counter steering when you jam e-brakes with a very sensitive rear brakes..
    thinking about it, why does rear tire tend to skid ah? they are bigger then the front one what?

    is it because of the weight throw forward thing when we're braking so the rear tire 'lighter'?
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    Default <D> Technical Discussion - Brakes

    As above. As part of a revamp of this section. Do post all brake related questions here. Thanks!

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    btw, roughly how much does the rear disc brake cost?
    any1?

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    rear disk brake "pad" cost as low as 25 per pair or even 65 above per pair. pay more get better one u see?

    rear disc brake "plate", i was quoted 150 for original honda wan. oso got japan and china flower plate. 90 can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskoolkandi View Post
    btw, roughly how much does the rear disc brake cost?
    any1?
    check the component cost thread for more info

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak View Post
    thinking about it, why does rear tire tend to skid ah? they are bigger then the front one what?

    is it because of the weight throw forward thing when we're braking so the rear tire 'lighter'?
    yup you're right!
    The dynamic weight transfer shifts more weight to the front tires thereby loading it up and hence the front tire gets more tractive force for braking.
    At the rear, the weight shifts away from it so it has less force acting downwards and so it's less likely to hold the ground.

    You can actually reduce the chance of locking up the rear tires under braking by having more static weight on the rear tire; more stuff in the box, more preload on the spring, lowering of rear ride height. But I think Honda would have done a proper job to check the bike's balance. So better not mess too much with it.



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    i always thought having more stuff in the box, ie heavier rear would cause fishtailing due to locked rear wheel to occur more often..
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    I had the same weak-rear-brake prob till recent I change to EBC pads. Before the rear was like totally no-brake and that very sticky feel as though it goes in stages. After the EBC pads went in, all these problems were solved! It is not the discs here. Even the original pads don't work. Now the rear wheels will lock if only I slam with my right foot, otherwise it's what I call "that's-the-way-a-brake-should-work!"

    PS: EBC pads are not cheap thou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowdog View Post
    I had the same weak-rear-brake prob till recent I change to EBC pads. Before the rear was like totally no-brake and that very sticky feel as though it goes in stages. After the EBC pads went in, all these problems were solved! It is not the discs here. Even the original pads don't work. Now the rear wheels will lock if only I slam with my right foot, otherwise it's what I call "that's-the-way-a-brake-should-work!"

    PS: EBC pads are not cheap thou.
    how much? anyways it sounds interesting, if i can know the price, so why not change uh
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    just got s4 today...true enuff it braking really let me down...compare to my rg.....thanks to this thread...at least now i know its a common probs face by all

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak View Post
    how much? anyways it sounds interesting, if i can know the price, so why not change uh
    Price is $70.

     

     
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    oh ya... btw wrt the 70% & 30% braking forces... If the rear brakes don't work or it is weak, it is = to 100% braking force in front & 0% behind which will not balance the braking forces which is 70/30. Balance braling force is important, that's why now most new cars now got EBD to balance the front & the rear braking forces.

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    I've been riding my s4 for years, and personally, I find the braking sucks. I have changed to EBC brake pads, Hel brake hose and yet am still not satisfied with the braking power, especially the front because I seldom use the rear excpet to tap it in the corners. My next move is to buy a brembo master brake pump for the front to improve braking.

    Braking is personal, some like it hard, some like it soft. There is no hard and fast rule about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Father John View Post
    I've been riding my s4 for years, and personally, I find the braking sucks. I have changed to EBC brake pads, Hel brake hose and yet am still not satisfied with the braking power, especially the front because I seldom use the rear excpet to tap it in the corners. My next move is to buy a brembo master brake pump for the front to improve braking.

    Braking is personal, some like it hard, some like it soft. There is no hard and fast rule about it.
    time to service your brake calipers?

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    servicing calipers? wad do they do to it actually ar ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dingjc View Post
    servicing calipers? wad do they do to it actually ar ?
    servicing calipers means, dismantling it.. giving it a good wash and scrub down.. replacing the rubber O rings with new ones, and clean up the pistons(change new ones if necessary)..

    price for just changing the O rings would be abt $100plus..

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    Quote Originally Posted by khaitronic View Post
    just got s4 today...true enuff it braking really let me down...compare to my rg.....thanks to this thread...at least now i know its a common probs face by all
    I suggest u dun dismissed it as jus a common problem, cos urs and other may not be the same problem afterall. Best to confirm with a qualified mechanic.

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    how come no one wanna try the easy n cheaper alternative by spraying oil at the rear brake pump? i dunno how to explain but it does help. BUT if the brake pump is detiorating, then no matter how much oil sprayed will b useless. in that case, change brake pump is the option.
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    spray with wad oil? wd40? u was toking spraying at which part? the disc plate there or ? cos i dunno wad u meant by break pump there. haha.

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    how come no one wanna try the easy n cheaper alternative by spraying oil at the rear brake pump? i dunno how to explain but it does help. BUT if the brake pump is detiorating, then no matter how much oil sprayed will b useless. in that case, change brake pump is the option.
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    any oil will do. wd40, chain lube, gt85 all can. spray at the brake pump. its situated between the right foot rest n swing arm. brake pump brand is nissi. at the lowest part of the brake pump, it is rubber. spray oil inside the rubber will do.

    sometimes when its hard to control the braking force for the front, the mech oso spray oil to solve this prob. same goes to the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateboy View Post
    any oil will do. wd40, chain lube, gt85 all can. spray at the brake pump. its situated between the right foot rest n swing arm. brake pump brand is nissi. at the lowest part of the brake pump, it is rubber. spray oil inside the rubber will do.

    sometimes when its hard to control the braking force for the front, the mech oso spray oil to solve this prob. same goes to the rear.

    hope it helps...

    Try to avoid WD40 or GT85. They promote rust because the stuff doesnt hold on to material you're applying to. After they are gone from the material, it's exposed and can rust pretty fast.
    By right you need silicone grease (whitish substance meant for contact).

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaLmEr View Post
    time to service your brake calipers?
    Nah, it's just that i've found the front brake caliper too soft for my liking all these years, gonna save up $ and buy a brembo master brake pump for street version.
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    My dad bike: super4 version s
    problem : front brake sometimes lock and need to brake again to release

    he send to famous bt merah shop there, told him not to but he insist, as near to home..

    he mechanic say need to change brake pump and service caliper..

    total $170 gone... i still believe no need change brake pump, just service the caliper alone is enough...

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    how much does servicing caliper cost ar ? (:

    Quote Originally Posted by -Imran- View Post
    My dad bike: super4 version s
    problem : front brake sometimes lock and need to brake again to release

    he send to famous bt merah shop there, told him not to but he insist, as near to home..

    he mechanic say need to change brake pump and service caliper..

    total $170 gone... i still believe no need change brake pump, just service the caliper alone is enough...
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    can anyone share with me what brakes are good that u are using?
    cheap ard the 20 dollars range but acceptable performance?
    also can pls tell me where u buy it?

    i need to change my frt brakepads la
    thanks in advance

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    I'm using EBC HH rated pads. Expensive @ S$65 or so per caliper but stops on a dime.

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    u bought at unoque issit? i read the s4 components pricelist that lab selling ebc hh for 45? and bikelab sell for 35? is it true?

    if not true then i'll try to get a bit cheaper ones ar, cos no budget ar this month.

    does anyone knw how much are braking brakepads? last time uberstore got sell ryte?

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    u go for WP brakepads. cheap n good but need to clean the brake dust once a while
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    Change front brake pump : $120
    Service front brake caliper : $50

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    it also depends on where the cailiper is placed. If the cailiper is above the swingarm, it is slightly better than the one below. Such example is PB1, Ver S & R etc. for spec i not so sure. even if my rotor is un-even, my braking power is still tops, in fact better. But the pad will go faster. then i change to wave rotor... super power...
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