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    My vtec1 speedo stays at 20kmh wen e bike cums 2 stationary.

    Wen i throtle bit by bit, then e needle drops bit by bit, may not drop to 0kmh.

    Wen travelling at 80kmh, e needle jumps like hell, quite hard to reach 100kmh.

    Then at 100kmh, e needle stucks there.

    Any1 noes wats e probm?
    Or wats e price of a new vtec 1 meter?(jus wondering)
    Have you check your Speedometer cable?..the one that runs from under it to your wheel? If your cable is not faulty, its either the circuitry board or the needle pick up coil damage..and this usually happened when you have impact the meter when your bike dropped. Anyway..the coil part comes as a set with the silk screen meter plate and if its the circuit board, you can just get that..but you have to know how to dismantle your meter to get access to it.
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    my speedo meter black cover opened up after self-skidded.... when can i get it replaced???
    "Where" you meant..I believe you can get the parts yourself and have it replaced. The meter are made up og many components and they can be gotten seperately. Try Chong Aik or Ever Success..but do compare price first. If you find what you want...tell LAB..he can get you original also..much cheaper..just tell him from where he can get it.
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    i got a motorshop to fix the speedo for mi, he fixed inside and bought a new casing/ cover...he quoted 240... reasonable?
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    he fixed inside and bought a new casing/ cover...he quoted 240... reasonable?
    Wah!..that's on the high side. You did not mention what model is your bike but if its a non Vtec..and we are talking about the conica shape outer shrome look plastic cover..one piece is is $55 to $60 and if chiong_one, you can get from LAB at $10 a piece.

    I don't see anything much to do when things happened on the speedometer side unless its the rpm meter (got two electronic component circuit board inside)..and normally there won't be any serious damage unless your inner shell cover (big matted white or semi grey in colour housing both meter as a piece) is impact shattered..but again..speedo side..mostly small gears assembly.

    But at $240..if the inner housing is changed as a new part..that may caused another may be less than $100 or so. One best place to check out prices is "Ever Success"..which is on the high end side which you can take as a reference. When mechanic get replacement part from spare part shop..normally there discount for profit margin is 5% to 25% without GST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ah Pek View Post
    Wah!..that's on the high side. You did not mention what model is your bike but if its a non Vtec..and we are talking about the conica shape outer shrome look plastic cover..one piece is is $55 to $60 and if chiong_one, you can get from LAB at $10 a piece.

    I don't see anything much to do when things happened on the speedometer side unless its the rpm meter (got two electronic component circuit board inside)..and normally there won't be any serious damage unless your inner shell cover (big matted white or semi grey in colour housing both meter as a piece) is impact shattered..but again..speedo side..mostly small gears assembly.

    But at $240..if the inner housing is changed as a new part..that may caused another may be less than $100 or so. One best place to check out prices is "Ever Success"..which is on the high end side which you can take as a reference. When mechanic get replacement part from spare part shop..normally there discount for profit margin is 5% to 25% without GST.
    the rpm is fine...the speedo is spoilt. he got the things for the inner parts and plus the whole casing....240 izit really ex?? maybe plus workmanship... really ex huh???
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    and my bike is vtec1...
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    When you said inner part...I guess it could be the whole gear and dial assembly la...should be okay la.
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    woah... you scare mi... i tot i kana chop...hahaha!! you know the price for crashbar, front signal and balancer(heaviest)??? should i go LAB or MW???

    i need to get this items by today... the mech fixing up my bike le...

    1more question, respray cost how much huh?? 1 or 2 colours.... sorry bro...
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    woah... you scare mi... i tot i kana chop...
    Forgot to asked...may be kerna chop...heee...x2!...okay..what is the total overall mileage clocking reading..a new one should be almost "0"..if some reading...could be a second hand one...if the same as you last send in...than you kerna chop_chop!..meaning, the assembly wasn't changed.

    price for crashbar, front signal and balancer(heaviest)??? should i go LAB or MW???
    LAB is always much cheaper but also cheaper in quality somewhat. MW carried better stuff lah...but you can always asked for better quality stuff as most of the time he can get also.

    Crash bar..local cheap one can olehdee lah...about $45 to $75 a set. Very tough good one crashed also Koyak!

    Front signal light..chiong one about $20 a pair..LAB...$18 can get...but the plastic very flimsy..careful when you tighten the screws. Original about $45 a piece I think..do check the forums out here. I think there is a section here that has parts and pricing for ref. Why not change to LED ones?

    Balancer?...I'm using original PB1..cannot play play one leh...but neighbours here paid for very heavy solid one(like polished metal) at $35 to $55 a piece.

    Best to get from LAB la for al this kind of stuff..but not performance parts. Good luck...
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    respray cost how much huh??
    Sori...forgot..this is very subjective. Depending on design, just plain, number of prefer coating and layers and wheather got use baking heat for layer drying or not..price range from $380 to $750.
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    thanks bro....
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    Change my meter bulb to 4SMD T10 Bulbs (white) for my s4 bold'or..
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthemboy View Post
    Change my meter bulb to 4SMD T10 Bulbs (white) for my s4 bold'or..
    Nice! I am riding a bol dor too, thinking of changing the bulbs to white. But I notice the top portion is brighter that the sides, why didn't you go for the 360 degree 6smt LED bulb? How do you take out the meter to access the bulbs anyway? By removing the windshield? 2 bulbs needed for the 2 meters right? How come the tripometer and fuel/time meter turn blue when using white bulbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken7644 View Post
    Nice! I am riding a bol dor too, thinking of changing the bulbs to white. But I notice the top portion is brighter that the sides, why didn't you go for the 360 degree 6smt LED bulb? How do you take out the meter to access the bulbs anyway? By removing the windshield? 2 bulbs needed for the 2 meters right? How come the tripometer and fuel/time meter turn blue when using white bulbs?
    haaz i bought the 4smd from simlim den there they dun hv the 6smd kind but they do hv other kind of 360 degree but its way out of my budget.. u gt to remove the whole bold'or head include the windscreen to able to access the meter.. quite a numbers of screws... yah~ each meter 1 T10 so u we will need a pair.. the analog part will look blue its bcuz of our meter face den for the digital fuel there i think is the ligting.. i show u another pic which i took at darker place it turn yellow white.. LOL~
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    Quote Originally Posted by anthemboy View Post
    haaz i bought the 4smd from simlim den there they dun hv the 6smd kind but they do hv other kind of 360 degree but its way out of my budget.. u gt to remove the whole bold'or head include the windscreen to able to access the meter.. quite a numbers of screws... yah~ each meter 1 T10 so u we will need a pair.. the analog part will look blue its bcuz of our meter face den for the digital fuel there i think is the ligting.. i show u another pic which i took at darker place it turn yellow white.. LOL~

    I see, now with your other pic it make more sense. Anyway I thought you bought it from one of the sellers here. The blue is very nice, if only the light is more even rather than just the top. Thanks for answering my queries bro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ken7644 View Post
    I see, now with your other pic it make more sense. Anyway I thought you bought it from one of the sellers here. The blue is very nice, if only the light is more even rather than just the top. Thanks for answering my queries bro!
    No prob.. cuz at simlim tower there can test for mi on the spot and show mi the effect of all the bulb lighting and i oso gt a better price over there for tis pair of 4smd t10..
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    I bought the red T10 LED bulb from M400, my mech help me to install but it is very dim and even can't see the LCD pannel...think of chagne back to normal ones
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    Default [Discussion] Technical - Lighting

    Battle of the H4s...

    A mini research has been done using a Spec 3 clear lens headlight assy...

    from left to right...

    1, duno wat brand H4 blue glass bulb
    2, Osram Silver Star
    3, Osram Night Breaker
    4, Philips Diamond Vision


    the place i used to test the above 4 bulbs, a common area at the carpark...


    and the results are below...

    1, duno wat brand H4 blue glass bulb
    -low beam

    -high beam


    2, Osram Silver Star
    -low beam

    -high beam


    3, Osram Night Breaker
    -low beam

    -high beam


    4, Philips Diamond Vision
    -low beam

    -high beam



    So, what are your opnions?
    What are you currently using?
    Why you choose the bulb you are currently using?
    What is the life span of the bulbs you using?
    Any other info or questions to ask and share?

    Feel free to post in this thread!
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    comparing Osram Silverstar and Night Breaker...
    - the overall output is really whiter and brighter.

    comparing Osram Night Breaker and Philips Diamond Vision...
    - the overall output is orangy vs white.

    i'm still comparing and see what is best for SG roads and NSHWs...
    what are your comments and info?
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    i'm using nite breaker. no regrets. Its high beam on NSH at nite can fight with my ex k7 high beam [H9 bulb]. can c further compare to H4, H7 diamond vision cos its not so white.

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    I'm using osram silverstar,good enough for my late night trips on NSHW to KL and the trunk roads between batu pahat and muar. Wanted to get the nightbreaker ones,but that time got no stock. Would recommend both osram ones..


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    Quote Originally Posted by ah_xian View Post
    i'm using nite breaker. no regrets. Its high beam on NSH at nite can fight with my ex k7 high beam [H9 bulb]. can c further compare to H4, H7 diamond vision cos its not so white.
    though the Night Breaker promises 90% more light and 10% more whiter,
    the light output given is still orangy but still whiter as compared to Silverstar,
    which is complying to standards for OEM bulbs...


    i'm currently using Silverstar...
    after 2 weeks, i'll switch to Night Breaker.
    then another 2 weeks, i'll switch to Diamond Vision.

    and i'll be back to give comments...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JbAtRaCeR View Post
    I'm using osram silverstar,good enough for my late night trips on NSHW to KL and the trunk roads between batu pahat and muar. Wanted to get the nightbreaker ones,but that time got no stock. Would recommend both osram ones..
    after my "plug and snap" session early this morning,
    Night Breaker indeed shines brighter and whiter than Silverstar...
    you might wana get Night Breaker and try out for yourself...
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    Quote Originally Posted by s4vtec View Post
    though the Night Breaker promises 90% more light and 10% more whiter,
    the light output given is still orangy but still whiter as compared to Silverstar,
    which is complying to standards for OEM bulbs...


    i'm currently using Silverstar...
    after 2 weeks, i'll switch to Night Breaker.
    then another 2 weeks, i'll switch to Diamond Vision.

    and i'll be back to give comments...
    Do return and give your comments.

    Btw i am using Philips Vision plus, much brighter than Diamond Vision i would say.

    However i am actually thinking whether it's worth the extra premium to upgrade to Philips Xtreme Power or Osram Night Breaker.

    Xtreme Power is pretty expensive, how much is the Night Breaker?

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    something to share...

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    I m using the osram silverstar, i tink itz gd enof for sg roads n exceptable on NSHW.
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    oem still works good for me.. i think one's eyesight also plays a part.. no offence tho'..


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    FYI Osram bulbs need to a breakin period...after a few hours of usage only then will it be brighter....thats what I was told and what I experienced with Silverstars but Nitebreakers the breakin period is faster

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    Quote Originally Posted by s4vtec View Post
    after my "plug and snap" session early this morning,
    Night Breaker indeed shines brighter and whiter than Silverstar...
    you might wana get Night Breaker and try out for yourself...

    Yep indeed,Night Breaker is brighter but too bad it was'nt in stock at the shop i bought it. Maybe when my dad,start itching to change his revo bulbs,i'll definitely switch mine too.

    deviLLian - Oem serve the purpose but some riders just need abit more,especially those who like to travel NSHW during vamp/ponti hours. . Aiya now my hairs start to rise,since i'm going up KL later..Ciao!..


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    What the wattage of the bulbs?

    I was thinking whether putting on 150w/100w bulbs will cao-tah any wiring or not.
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    What the wattage of the bulbs?

    I was thinking whether putting on 150w/100w bulbs will cao-tah any wiring or not.
    Wow!!..soo high ar!.. Osram wattage is the same with the OEM ones,dunno about philips.Difference is only the bulb and filament design.


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    can u all share with me how much is all these bulbs?? wanna get one btu needa know 1st thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by JbAtRaCeR View Post
    Wow!!..soo high ar!.. Osram wattage is the same with the OEM ones,dunno about philips.Difference is only the bulb and filament design.
    ahh wokay. Saw bulbs with those wattage just now at mustafa. Perdy cheap too. $20.90 for a pair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WingZer0 View Post
    FYI Osram bulbs need to a breakin period...after a few hours of usage only then will it be brighter....thats what I was told and what I experienced with Silverstars but Nitebreakers the breakin period is faster
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    Bros any idea if Version S is acessible to change the lighting also??
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    i believe all s4 can change meter light one. jus diy, and changed mine to white one. got the white led from m400.. but, now abit regret. wanna get blue...

    which shop in sim lim tower sell led?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zesture View Post
    i believe all s4 can change meter light one. jus diy, and changed mine to white one. got the white led from m400.. but, now abit regret. wanna get blue...

    which shop in sim lim tower sell led?
    blue not advisable, coz looks dull, but u might wanna check out the 1 watt blue? dunno if its visible a not, IMO white is gd.

     

     
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    dunno issit cos my meter face old liao, turn yellow. use white led, still looks abit yellowish.....

    blue looks dull huh.. hmmm, so in page 2, indeed got some blue, looking abit faint... i think blue will be nice if its very bright ba, and thus more blue-ish, than the light blue one....

    btw, anyone try changing meter face b4?

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    Bros any idea if Version S is acessible to change the lighting also??
    Yes..it's accessible. You need to take off the back cover to gain access to it.

    Quote Originally Posted by zesture View Post
    dunno issit cos my meter face old liao, turn yellow. use white led, still looks abit yellowish.....

    blue looks dull huh.. hmmm, so in page 2, indeed got some blue, looking abit faint... i think blue will be nice if its very bright ba, and thus more blue-ish, than the light blue one....

    btw, anyone try changing meter face b4?
    No matter what wattage or colours you use to get the brighness..its never satisfying when you want a adequately lighted meter just by replacing the current bulbs...you have to improvise.that is have more lightings place at strategic location...been there done that
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    wise words from the ah pek....
    i experienced these after testing liao.. desparately wanting to know the cause of it being dim, i took my meter apart.......
    and i realised... hmmm, maybe can put a led strip inside the meter? look at my picture, the red dotted circle..



    btw, look at the position of the LEDs for the meter bulbs.. its sort of blocked, so that the light are dispersed and rebound from the white surface of the meter. hence, more even lighting on the meter.

    2 ways to improve the brightness..
    1. i'm gonna try put led strip.. gonna ask Chris to a pair for me.

    2. put aluminum foil inside to boost the reflection?

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    also.. for those who wanna know how to replace your meter's bulbs, heres an image after u take out the cover..



    for my bike, spec1, remove the 2 allen keys bolts from the triangle holding the headlights.. (theres 2 side, so total, 4 bolts)

    its not hard to miss. this triangle bracket, support both the meter and the headlight.

    then, remove 3 significant screws from meter, left, right, center. n viola.. u see this image.

    n the 2 black rubber, with the wire, take it out, replace the bulbs, test it, and put it back. must test, cos theres polarity differences on the bulbs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by zesture View Post
    wise words from the ah pek....
    i experienced these after testing liao.. desparately wanting to know the cause of it being dim, i took my meter apart.......
    and i realised... hmmm, maybe can put a led strip inside the meter? look at my picture, the red dotted circle..



    btw, look at the position of the LEDs for the meter bulbs.. its sort of blocked, so that the light are dispersed and rebound from the white surface of the meter. hence, more even lighting on the meter.

    2 ways to improve the brightness..
    1. i'm gonna try put led strip.. gonna ask Chris to a pair for me.

    2. put aluminum foil inside to boost the reflection?

    for me, i break away the plastic blocking/covering the bulb..
    works great for me..

    else, like what you say, get a T10 connector and solder it to a LED strip to place inside the speedo..

    regarding putting alu foil, i suggest you buy those chrome stickers, they are quite thin actually..
    i pasted them in my signal lights, tremendous improvements on lightings compared to the other side without..
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    yah. i cut the plastic blocking the lights off, and it is indeed brigher, but with it, comes uneven lighting. hence, im thinking of use led strips. think in short term, i wun be able to afford a vapor like u. haha. though i really wish for it. if not, i will get it!

    btw, john, since u r not using your meter, can u lend me the face? i wanna try to do something with it.. wun spoil it. dont worry... though of customising some face...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zesture View Post
    yah. i cut the plastic blocking the lights off, and it is indeed brigher, but with it, comes uneven lighting. hence, im thinking of use led strips. think in short term, i wun be able to afford a vapor like u. haha. though i really wish for it. if not, i will get it!

    btw, john, since u r not using your meter, can u lend me the face? i wanna try to do something with it.. wun spoil it. dont worry... though of customising some face...
    would like to lend to you, but i got a pending sales next week..
    would not be nice if i tell him the meter was loaned to someone for experiment.. very sorry..

    if you plan doing anything to the face, J*zz Wh**ls is able to do it..

    Vapor is not that ex, i heard those SM guys got it less than $200 without the indicators bracket.. i may need one new one for my new ride.. will search a cheaper deal and inform you..

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    hmmm. that will be good. but the indicator bracker only around USD$40 i think.... maybe i will buy online...

    too much things to do on the bike. must slowly do...

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    do not get the lights so bright that it will blind your visual on the roads at night...
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