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    I use havoline oil buy from johore 16 ringgit.. very draggy after 300km.. still using.. dunno if shld change early..

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    Problem is phantom is a high revving engine and hard on its 1L of engine oil.
    Automotive oil shears really fast.

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    I have a bottle of 5Litres Shell Rimula R4X I want to sell off as I have sold bike. Brand New. Any takers ? Cheap. $28 neg

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    fyi motul 7100 doesnt evaporate as fast cf to 300v after > 0.5 year of testing for me.
    also fyii: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum...l-7100-VS-300V
    heard that 7100 supposed to be for longer oci and touring
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly View Post
    fyi motul 7100 doesnt evaporate as fast cf to 300v after > 0.5 year of testing for me.
    also fyii: http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforum...l-7100-VS-300V
    heard that 7100 supposed to be for longer oci and touring
    Motul is pretty quiet about it NOACK. according to Amsoil testing, the old double ester formula NOACK is about 8.28%. they tested the Motul 7100 at the 1st edition but i don't have the figure at hand. will check it up when free. i guess it might be pretty close.

    both 300V and 7100 TBN is about 8 so it not true 300V is not suitable for street use. here an VOA and UOA for the double ester formula. here another UOA compare 7100 with rotella T6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isopropyl View Post
    Motul is pretty quiet about it NOACK. according to Amsoil testing, the old double ester formula NOACK is about 8.28%. they tested the Motul 7100 at the 1st edition but i don't have the figure at hand. will check it up when free. i guess it might be pretty close.

    both 300V and 7100 TBN is about 8 so it not true 300V is not suitable for street use. here an VOA and UOA for the double ester formula. here another UOA compare 7100 with rotella T6.
    No UOA, or VOA in ur links?

    Taken from motul webbie

    300V Factory line, 7100 or 5100?

    Choose your oil depending on use and riding style:
    300V Factory Line lubricants are especially formulated for the severity of racing applications. Based around the Double-Ester technology, 300V Factory Line lubricants provide the best engine response and protection at very high temperatures and RPM, throttle feedback, clutch feel and ultimate gearbox protection. Four viscosity grades are available for track/road applications with 100 % shear stability and constant oil pressure and two viscosity grades are available for off-road with optimal traction. Developed in close partnership with Worldwide Factory Teams, the 300V Factory Line range of lubricants are also available to the general public who demand only the best!
    7100 is Motul’s dedicated 100 % synthetic range of lubricants for modern high performance 4-stroke motorcycle engines. Ester technology and optimized additives ensure clutch compatibility, gearbox durability and power response from the engine. With a variety of viscosity grades to choose from, you can be sure to find the right lube for your bike and your riding style.
    5100 is Motul’s Technosynthese® range of lubricants formulated with esters. For the price conscious, you can still be sure that this range of lubricants is certainly not lacking in performance and protection. They are especially formulated for the highest possible reliability for more general everyday use.
    For sure, the requirements of a lubricant for normal everyday use of your motorcycle are entirely different from those of the demands of racing.
    Motul 7100 and 5100 have been formulated so that you can meet the OEM's recommended viscosity and oil drain intervals without any issues under normal daily use conditions
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    haha... repost.

    Top one is VOA. UOA is at lower part of the thread.
    Motul 300V

    7100 vs T6

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    Those of you using the Motul 300v 15w50, how long before you guys change it?

    I just checked my levels, it's still at the halfway mark, but my engine feels rougher than usual. It's been about 1200km so far.

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    7100 might suit your needs better
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    Quote Originally Posted by |squee| View Post
    Those of you using the Motul 300v 15w50, how long before you guys change it?

    I just checked my levels, it's still at the halfway mark, but my engine feels rougher than usual. It's been about 1200km so far.
    always have changed it at thr 1500km mark as it seems to evaporate quite fast. dont have a scientific explanation for it.
    i would agree with hydher - 7100 seems to be better. (feels better for me.)
    operate a vehicle in a way that you benefit other road users pls - and meanwhile, stop whining! be responsible and be safe.

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    OK thanks guys! I'll go for a oil change + full checkup at planet soon.

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    Used mobil 1 10w40.

    Wow.. blown away
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    Using Idemitsu 10w40 semi synthetic. Paid 28 MYR.

    The senior rider friend was right. Its super duper smooth.
    Its thick but flows easily. Very Impressive

    But my max speed reduced by 20km/hr.
    From using rotella t6.
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    Hi, if change Engine oil use 1L or how many litre?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CKH View Post
    Hi, if change Engine oil use 1L or how many litre?
    1.0l according to manual
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    If I change 1.5l each time I go for EO change, would that be too much/overkill? The previous owner of my bike recommended me this workshop and said that the uncle was very experienced, especially with Phantoms. The past 3 owners also service their bike at this shop.

    The uncle told me that 1.5l is better, 1l not enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMan View Post
    If I change 1.5l each time I go for EO change, would that be too much/overkill? The previous owner of my bike recommended me this workshop and said that the uncle was very experienced, especially with Phantoms. The past 3 owners also service their bike at this shop.

    The uncle told me that 1.5l is better, 1l not enough.
    if uncle cannot follow manual..drop him...
    1l for normal eo change
    1.3 l for engine overhaul only..

    if u put 1.5 l..your engine it will end up with high sump pressure...and oil mist will be discharge via the sump relief valve..
    and bike runs bad..out of breadth..in my opinion..as the engine has to work overtime to overcome the high pressure
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    if uncle cannot follow manual..drop him...
    1l for normal eo change
    1.3 l for engine overhaul only..

    if u put 1.5 l..your engine it will end up with high sump pressure...and oil mist will be discharge via the sump relief valve..
    and bike runs bad..out of breadth..in my opinion..as the engine has to work overtime to overcome the high pressure
    I see. Feel like kena cheated XD

    Anyways, I paid $18 for a 1L bottle of Castrol Power 1 10w40. Price okay anot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZenMan View Post
    I see. Feel like kena cheated XD

    Anyways, I paid $18 for a 1L bottle of Castrol Power 1 10w40. Price okay anot?
    Price is reasonable. Malaysia selling the same oil for RM $40.

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    Time to review the EOs that I used and am currently using.

    LiquiMoly Fully Synthetic RM60/l:

    Opening of throttle was very smooth and light. Overall, made the bike feel very light. But at high speeds, opening of throttle feels smooth but the vibrations and noise was quite disturbing. The last 300km before changing, the opening of throttle felt very rough and unresponsive.

    Castrol Power 1 10w40 $18/l. Topped up 1.5l:

    First 100km felt pretty rough, probably need the oil to set in. But after the first 100km, the opening of the throttle felt very responsive. Vibrations and sound cruising at 80kmph - 100kmph+ were very low and enjoyable to ride. Response of throttle and sound felt very beefy.

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    Hey guys, anybody know what size of spanner is required to open the drain bolt in phantom Ta200 for changing engine oil. Also is it always required to drain the existing oil (if at all any is left) or can just pour in 1 litre when the dip stick test shows insufficient oil?

     

     
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    17 or 23 dependant on the size. Do not use 22 or open end spammers or it will cause rounding.

    Better to drain. When u are changing Eo you are advised to get rid of the degraded oil and the other rubbish that's in the oil, (worn metal parts, combustion by products ) hence the need to drain.
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    Don't ever ride with insufficient oil... if you can pour in 1L of oil without draining any then I'd say your engine really needs a checkup.

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    Need some advise here...just collected my phantom custom yesterday from a bike shop...bike age is 8yrs..
    Been reading in this forum that phantom actually requires only 1L or max. 1.2L of engine oil..

    Was told by the mechanic that next oil change will be every 2,000km and will require 1.5L of engine oil...
    Thus, I assume that upon collection the mechanic must have pumped in 1.5L of engine oil..

    What do I do now? Should I drain the engine oil or just check the dipstick, if it's within the xxx marking just let it be?

    Btw, how do I check the engine oil? While the bike is on side stand or in upright position? Thank in advance..

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    Quote Originally Posted by acit22 View Post
    Need some advise here...just collected my phantom custom yesterday from a bike shop...bike age is 8yrs..
    Been reading in this forum that phantom actually requires only 1L or max. 1.2L of engine oil..

    Was told by the mechanic that next oil change will be every 2,000km and will require 1.5L of engine oil...
    Thus, I assume that upon collection the mechanic must have pumped in 1.5L of engine oil..

    What do I do now? Should I drain the engine oil or just check the dipstick, if it's within the xxx marking just let it be?

    Btw, how do I check the engine oil? While the bike is on side stand or in upright position? Thank in advance..
    1L. Check within xxx marks will do. Always check upright.
    operate a vehicle in a way that you benefit other road users pls - and meanwhile, stop whining! be responsible and be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly View Post
    1L. Check within xxx marks will do. Always check upright.
    Thanks for the reply "sawfly". Will check my dipstick first. If it's within the xxx mark, will just leave it till my next engine oil change.
    Definitely will not go back to the bike shop.. So any recommended engine oil for an 8yr old bike?

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    Go for thicker oil 20w50 ish, semi synth. Can start from motul 7100
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    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly View Post
    Go for thicker oil 20w50 ish, semi synth. Can start from motul 7100
    Thanks again sawfly..

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    Personal Preference - Motul 10w40

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    My engine seem to rattle at 80/90kmph. Normal? And can someone explain about engine oil. How to change? When to change? What product? Just collected the bike yest and feel so lost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fit Bnag View Post
    My engine seem to rattle at 80/90kmph. Normal? And can someone explain about engine oil. How to change? When to change? What product? Just collected the bike yest and feel so lost
    Congrats on getting your bike! Personally I'm not experienced either but I've owned my bike for more than a year. For myself, @ around 90km/h, the vibration starts kicking in through my handlebars, so if that's what you mean by your engine rattling, I guess that's normal.

    For engine oil, I change every 2000km (never above 2000, but that's just speaking for myself not sure about others), just go to any bike shop to change (you may want to look around the forum for reputable ones to start). I have tried Ipone 15.5 and Motul 5100, both 15W50. I prefer the Motul 5100 though as the Ipone 15.5 feels rough after like 1500km.. Just go test them out yourself and see which works for you.

     

     
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    WS me anyone? Possible meet up this week or next week. Need desperate help. Got phantom a few days ago. Have no clue about it, need quick basic lesson Total newbie! 83139892

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    any comments on the rowe 4t? http://rowe-mineraloel.com/en/produk...e-10w-40-ts-z/

    my first time change EO!

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    anyone tried Lupromax's hyperion 7000 5w40 on their phantom before?

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    does it matter if you use full synthetic oil? is it suitable for phantom? i have been using semi-synthetic oil, top up 1.5L, because i don't want to change the oil too frequently, wonder if it has any bad impact on my phantom?

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    synthetic oil can be used for all bike. Dont let people tell you otherwise though people have their preferences.
    1.5L is too much and can cause oil pressure issues. Use the dipstick as a judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahguang View Post
    Personal Preference - Motul 10w40
    You mean this: https://www.facebook.com/90353694974...type=3&theater


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    Quote Originally Posted by euphonium07 View Post
    does it matter if you use full synthetic oil? is it suitable for phantom? i have been using semi-synthetic oil, top up 1.5L, because i don't want to change the oil too frequently, wonder if it has any bad impact on my phantom?
    Fully synthetic would be better, isn't it?

    The phantom really goes through engine oil quickly so it would be advisable to change regularly and with high quality oil

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    Please, help with advice!
    I'm living in Thailand and own a 12 years old Phanrom
    I change the oil few days ago, to Honda jaso MA 30, and engine starts knocking when hot.

    Here we have a lot of Shell oils modifications, but never seen Motul in the markets.
    Help me to choose right type of oil for 12 years old engine, maybe i need mineral oil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pom4ek View Post
    Please, help with advice!
    I'm living in Thailand and own a 12 years old Phanrom
    I change the oil few days ago, to Honda jaso MA 30, and engine starts knocking when hot.

    Here we have a lot of Shell oils modifications, but never seen Motul in the markets.
    Help me to choose right type of oil for 12 years old engine, maybe i need mineral oil?
    reccomended oil is between the ranges of 10w40 - 20w50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    reccomended oil is between the ranges of 10w40 - 20w50
    Is the MA 30 = 10w-30?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by pom4ek View Post
    Please, help with advice!
    I'm living in Thailand and own a 12 years old Phanrom
    I change the oil few days ago, to Honda jaso MA 30, and engine starts knocking when hot.

    Here we have a lot of Shell oils modifications, but never seen Motul in the markets.
    Help me to choose right type of oil for 12 years old engine, maybe i need mineral oil?

    engine knocking is associated with wrong octane fuel being used...minimum octane is 92....for phantom

    better use 95 to 98..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    engine knocking is associated with wrong octane fuel being used...minimum octane is 92....for phantom

    better use 95 to 98..
    I'm using 95.
    But vibrations increase after oil changing, and engine get louder...
    What kind of oil better for older engine?
    Synthetic, semi synthetic or mineral?

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    old bikes...always very noisy..
    use the thickest oil u can find sae50..try it.
    if doesnt work need for overhaul
    i love my ezzyoiler
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    old bikes...always very noisy..
    use the thickest oil u can find sae50..try it.
    if doesnt work need for overhaul
    So, today I found nice shop in Phuket with motul oils
    Chose Motul hi tech 100 10w40 full synthetic, will see how it will goes)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    reccomended oil is between the ranges of 10w40 - 20w50
    Change oil for Motul H-tech 100 MA2 10w40
    first 100km passed and my impressions so great, vibrions and noise decreases, and also vibrations after 90kmh goes.
    engine get deeper sound and power increase little bit) costs 10$ 1L
    How many kms have I pass to the next change?
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    Last edited by pom4ek; 30-01-2016 at 05:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rekkan View Post
    Fully synthetic would be better, isn't it?

    The phantom really goes through engine oil quickly so it would be advisable to change regularly and with high quality oil
    monitor the dip stick every 1k km as for the phantom do used up engine oil...top up and change at 3k km or 5k km....
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    Guys! What a difference between 10w-40 and 15w50 Motul 7100 for Phuket conditions?
    Have some knocking on valves. 12 years engine.
    What is better for my bike to choose?

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    15w 50 is thicker. If your bike is old, use the thicker one.

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    Always refer to bike manual for actual specs. Thicker EO also mean heat is trap inside bike and may result in burnt charging coils


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