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    Here's the thread related on all Engine oil matters.

    Qus: fully or semi EO?
    Price range?
    where can get it from?

    what's the different between both Engine oil.

    How to change EO? ( in the manual le)
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    the main diifference between semi and fully synthectic is the oil composition...
    fully synthectic as the name implies 100% manmade..as for semi...its a mixture of manmade and other oils.
    synthectic can withstand higher operating temp and pressur...thus rule of thumb is synthectic 1 chnage = 2 chnges of mineral oil....so semi is somewhere in between..
    but dont be fooled by all sort of claims..there are cheapy synthectic oils ..mobil ($20/L or there about) is the one i would use but th cost is about up to 5x of cheapy type.
    you can buy the oil at spare parts shop..
    eg...the block in front of planet has a shop selling all sorts of parts and oil..along changi road near AIA there is one too..

    cahnge engine oil...let engine cools down..remove top up cap..remove drain bolt at bottom of engine...
    after oil is drained clean and and tighten drain bolt and refill through top up hole..cap.

     

     
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    So what kind of engine oil is recommended ? Can we just use normal engine oil ?

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    At least semi synthetic EO to be used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    So what kind of engine oil is recommended ? Can we just use normal engine oil ?
    just like buying a drink..up to u. u get a free drink from the tap o u can pay top dollar for perrier..it is your choice....
    for me the age of the bike comes into play...old bikes use mineral oil..
    new bike where performance is required use synthetic oil (not unknown brand type)....
    at planet..she will recommend to use NASA (made in Malaysia..) brand semi..is this good enough?? u decide.

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    so what fully Eo are there in the market which u think is good? price range - $15 -$18

    cause i tried fully and semi. still prefer fully EO...
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    For cars above 5 years, people used to fall back on mineral cos the gap of piston and cyclinder are wider...due to wear and tear... but thinner the lube... gives a better FC....

    i'm not sure for bike, if using fully synthetic. for old bike..... will it be too thin as a lube...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lv3338 View Post
    For cars above 5 years, people used to fall back on mineral cos the gap of piston and cyclinder are wider...due to wear and tear... and thinner the lube... gives a better FC....

    i'm not sure for bike, if using fully synthetic. for old bike..... will it be too thin as a lube...?
    cause i tried fully Eo before and once i change to a semi EO, my rides suxs. so i guess it's better for me to go back to fully EO?
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    My 2 cents.....old bikes like phantom and such due to wear and tear, its good to use semi-syn oil as its much thicker. Fully-syn oil can be used....but usually its more expensive and mostly for performance bikes. Fully-syn oil can last u longer in terms of oil change. U want a good oil Josh....recommend u Motul 300V 5w40.........$31 per bottle. Sure u wun regret it....but dunno if its good for the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    My 2 cents.....old bikes like phantom and such due to wear and tear, its good to use semi-syn oil as its much thicker. Fully-syn oil can be used....but usually its more expensive and mostly for performance bikes. Fully-syn oil can last u longer in terms of oil change. U want a good oil Josh....recommend u Motul 300V 5w40.........$31 per bottle. Sure u wun regret it....but dunno if its good for the bike.


    oh... ok will hit your advice ;-) cause thought of trying the $15/bottle engine oil from planet.. which alot of people are talking about in the forum.. hehe ;-)
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    What brand bro?
    I want to see the world and i'm pretty sure the world wants to show a little something to me.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    What brand bro?

    hmmm... no idea lez... found out this information from the forum. longway before time to get new EO... right now only rode like 250km after i got the bike from u ;-)

    still used to riding bicycle everywhere =x
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    I just changed to the maxima 10w50 or 15w50 i dunno at planet...

    feels better, but dunno really better of my mind messing around with me.. it cost $21 btw..
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    lol... thats expensive.. Price is not really the problem i guess. is the performance =p yea agree?
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    Well, i don't really care about performance, but will normal engine oil do harm to the Engine/Gear ?

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    Why will normal engine oil harm the gear and the engine? So my answer is no. Generally.

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    here it goes again...

    Mineral oil is the most basic of the engine oil which is made up of vintage carcass...it can be used for phantom as oppose to what some has mentioned....mineral oil is considered lousier in quality because of its natural composition that is not as good as lab formulated ingredient.

    Fully synthetic is formulated in lab with all the what nots...

    and semi-synthetic is self-explanatory....

    if u ask me what a old phantom needs....my choice would be mineral oil or maximum semi-synthetic....fully syn would be close to useless for a phantom that has gone thru a top overhaul before, because its viscosity level is very low, meaning....when its at its operating temperature, it'll flow easily like water...

    and that a engine having gone thru a overhaul, its internal chamber is slightly enlarge, and also the piston ring is of constant size, no matter how many overhauls u go thru...hence u need a thicker oil to actually gap the diff which fully syn is not really able to do, they are only made to flow easily and also withstand high operating temps when an engine is operating at peak temp most of its time eg: race cars or bikes...

    what kind of engine oil u use is actually ur preference, most impt is not to neglect ur regular oil change and u'll be safe....


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    My technician fellow keep pushing me to use semi synthetic, and he warn me if use normal one, will damage the engine gear easily. And every time 2 Little instead of one, cost me $24 , feel like kanna rip off.

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    Phantom only need one bottle EO wor... tell the mech dun drain all ....

    If he ask u to get 2 bottle, he is trying to rip u off....

    Paying $24 for 2 bottle of mineral oil? You definitely got ripped....

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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    My technician fellow keep pushing me to use semi synthetic, and he warn me if use normal one, will damage the engine gear easily. And every time 2 Little instead of one, cost me $24 , feel like kanna rip off.
    2L? 2L of EO into a Phantom engine? Screw the "normal EO damage engine gear" mumbo jumbo, ur engine probably already drowning in EO.

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    I dont think can pour full 2L inside ...

    total capacity should be around 1.2L ... Unless you drain all the EO or something, everytime change EO only need 1L.

    Your mech ask u get 2 bottle tell him go play spider or change job cos he know nuts.

    2 bottle mineral oil for $24 means $12 each. if im not wrong, $15 or $16 can get semi syn oil already.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    My technician fellow keep pushing me to use semi synthetic, and he warn me if use normal one, will damage the engine gear easily. And every time 2 Little instead of one, cost me $24 , feel like kanna rip off.
    2Litres!!!

    phaw! which mama shop do dah dey???quickly drain the EO and pour back only 1.3Ls max...

    if not, be prepared to have ur head gasket piak!....hehehehe

    anyway did u see the mech change and pour in the EO???2 whole btls??
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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    My technician fellow keep pushing me to use semi synthetic, and he warn me if use normal one, will damage the engine gear easily. And every time 2 Little instead of one, cost me $24 , feel like kanna rip off.
    yup.. at least a semi Eo.... min requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawbah View Post
    Phantom only need one bottle EO wor... tell the mech dun drain all ....

    If he ask u to get 2 bottle, he is trying to rip u off....

    Paying $24 for 2 bottle of mineral oil? You definitely got ripped....
    price rang for semi-EO is around $13-$16 ????


    what's the price range for fully ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    price rang for semi-EO is around $13-$16 ????


    what's the price range for fully ?
    Around $21 up

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterwhale View Post
    2Litres!!!

    phaw! which mama shop do dah dey???quickly drain the EO and pour back only 1.3Ls max...

    if not, be prepared to have ur head gasket piak!....hehehehe

    anyway did u see the mech change and pour in the EO???2 whole btls??
    Really meh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterwhale View Post
    2Litres!!!

    phaw! which mama shop do dah dey???quickly drain the EO and pour back only 1.3Ls max...

    if not, be prepared to have ur head gasket piak!....hehehehe

    anyway did u see the mech change and pour in the EO???2 whole btls??
    Yup, saw him pouring 2 liters full... He claim that his name is on Honda Workshop , very famous .. Said engine will heat up very fast if use only 1 liter. But i read manual and forum, all said about 1 - 1.2 liter .... Too much will damage engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    Yup, saw him pouring 2 liters full... He claim that his name is on Honda Workshop , very famous .. Said engine will heat up very fast if use only 1 liter. But i read manual and forum, all said about 1 - 1.2 liter .... Too much will damage engine.
    suggest u ditch this workshop that reccomends 2L...obviously they have not read the manual...jus BS all the way...for a simple thing of EO change can mess up...

    change of eo is 1L..only.
    get a pump and remove 1 L...and save this for your next DIY.

    i use a shampoo bottle pump for this purpose...

    with too much EO..u will encounter difficulty in starting, poor power and all sorts of performance problem..and ultiamtely busting the oil seals in the engine..IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    Yup, saw him pouring 2 liters full... He claim that his name is on Honda Workshop , very famous .. Said engine will heat up very fast if use only 1 liter. But i read manual and forum, all said about 1 - 1.2 liter .... Too much will damage engine.
    u should tell him dun tua kang... if he so famous he relac one corner liao... no need help to change EO already...

    you know already still let him do this to ur bike... should bring to another shop for 2nd opinion ma ... or at least ask friends or wad...

    hmmm... whats the shop name..? must becareful wor....

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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    My technician fellow keep pushing me to use semi synthetic, and he warn me if use normal one, will damage the engine gear easily. And every time 2 Little instead of one, cost me $24 , feel like kanna rip off.
    mineral EO .. be as low as $5/L.....u been carroted..
    anyway where is tihs shop locate/name...do us a favour

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    mineral EO .. be as low as $5/L.....u been carroted..
    anyway where is tihs shop locate/name...do us a favour
    just beside Serangoon stadium. Near the SPC patrol station. For shop name, i better don't say. They used to charge me for a Metz tires for $200, and too claim their cost is already $150. Now i guess, i better change my service over there next time. Maybe planet from now onward.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    just beside Serangoon stadium. Near the SPC patrol station. For shop name, i better don't say. They used to charge me for a Metz tires for $200, and too claim their cost is already $150. Now i guess, i better change my service over there next time. Maybe planet from now onward.
    u should try planet. it will not disappoint u ... find Mark...

    Metz tyres for Phantom not so expensive leh... that shop cannot make it la ... highly recommend u to stop patronising them.

    The tyres, including installation should cost u around $150 nia...

    Bro, u look very rich or stay around there izzit... cos there's some bungalows there.... hahaha....

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    Metz for $200? Wtfbbq this shop confirm cannot go lar.

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    yup... try planet.. Look for ah chong.. you will know once you reach there. The most hip and noisy dude there.. ;-)

    Fully EO - MObil brand good? think about $15-$16 from planet. or what brand seniors suggest?
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    This one you really have to try around and use your butt dyno to tell which one is best for your bike. Give popular choices a try, e.g. FUCHS, Maxima, MOTUL, etc... Each bike+rider combination have their own preference. Hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuan.z View Post
    This one you really have to try around and use your butt dyno to tell which one is best for your bike. Give popular choices a try, e.g. FUCHS, Maxima, MOTUL, etc... Each bike+rider combination have their own preference. Hehe
    actually.... how often your change EO ? a bit waste to use synthetic....
    synthetic in cars last 10,000KM (6 mths), mineral last 5,000KM (3 mth) prior each change...

    for a old phantom > 5yrs...use a mineral that is 20W50 , thick thick cheap cheap ($9 for castrol) can liao...
    anyway u gonna change it at 2,000KM... and old bike..gap of piston and cylinder wider.. due to wear and tear lor...kkeek
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    Quote Originally Posted by lv3338 View Post
    actually.... how often your change EO ? a bit waste to use synthetic....
    synthetic in cars last 10,000KM (6 mths), mineral last 5,000KM (3 mth) prior each change...

    for a old phantom > 5yrs...use a mineral that is 20W50 , thick thick cheap cheap ($9 for castrol) can liao...
    anyway u gonna change it at 2,000KM... and old bike..gap of piston and cylinder wider.. due to wear and tear lor...kkeek
    Actually it sounds quite logical but i will always suggest that we use minimum semi syn.

    In fact, i think im changing from fully to semi... kekkeke!

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    ahhh... maybe i will try fully first.. if it suit my butt and bike, i stick to it..


    can we have a show of hands who's using fully EO :

    1) FUCHS

    2) Maxima

    3) MOTUL
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    I'm using fully syn!

    errr... option 4! none of the above

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    10w50 $12 from planet
    4got the brand, whole bottle black colour

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    Quote Originally Posted by VidaK View Post
    I'm using fully syn!

    errr... option 4! none of the above

    lol.. you use mobil brand?

    Quote Originally Posted by TianLei View Post
    10w50 $12 from planet
    4got the brand, whole bottle black colour

    $12 only?? semi or fully?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    lol.. you use mobil brand?




    $12 only?? semi or fully?
    nope I'm using chessa... I wanna test out some other chemicals, hence I kept the EO same for this change...

    chessa is the cheapest fully syn at $16... probably cheaper if you do other service together...

    anyway, the mobil fully syn 10w40 is $21...

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    u mean i can get it from planet? chessa? maybe i wanna try out that too.
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    yea you can try that... today including my phantom I saw 3 phantoms changed EO... all use chessa...

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    cool... maybe when i go and get my EO i post on forum. see who else interested to go change too ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    cool... maybe when i go and get my EO i post on forum. see who else interested to go change too ;-)
    snapel got plenty of money to spend! ask him to change EO with you... (lol even if he had just changed it lets say... 2 days ago lol)

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    lol. snapel...

    maybe i wil get my EO change in a week time.. hit like 1.5km on my semi Eo already.. will be getting your cheesa EO to try out first...
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    thx ar...
    Someone else more power leh... Arai Full face, RS Taichi Dry Master rain coat and within a few weeks, bike got so many aftermarket parts liao.


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    I changed my EO last time.
    If buy EO from Malaysia, it is a lot cheap.
    TA200 now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by protecter1 View Post
    I changed my EO last time.
    If buy EO from Malaysia, it is a lot cheap.
    hmmm... what kind of EO and price...?

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