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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterwhale View Post
    oh btw wat bro mepkoh has highlighted is indeed a true proper working 2-stroke engine, what u've seen at ur mscp is a work of a mat rempit, or 'boy racer', 2t valve open big big big, when they whack the bike sure confirm plus chop no piston jam...

    and may i bring ur attention to another thing, if hypoettically what u say is true, then why would LTA, NEA or TP even bother to book those 2 stroke bike emitting excessive amt of smoke(S$700 fine)???even by law its allowed to emit smoke???

    nonetheless, as wat bro mepkoh has mentioned earlier, i might need to correct what he pointed out, water getting into a chamber of a stroker engine is only by fuel contamination, or 2t contamination...

    i dunno if u know that a 2 stroke engine crankcase is only seperated from the radiator water by an only 5mm aluminium wall, and that theres a shaft travelling from the engine crankcase thru the wall which in turn drives a impeller that pumps the radiator coolant...theres a water gasket there, if its broken it'll leak water into the transmission fluid(aka engine oil) and the EO will turn cloudy like limewater reacting to carbon dioxide ( this is none related to wat u ask, but its juz a spare info)

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    1st of all, thanks for your inputs. fyi, i didint say it is normal if a bike emits too much white smoke. A 2 stroke engine obviously WILL produce white smoke, if it doesnt then the engine is in serious trouble, too much white smoke meaning 2T is too concentrated in the air fuel-mixture which is also no gd as it will leave more carbon deposits behind.

    secondly, i not using my cert to prove i noe everything. qualification needs to be backed up by experience. that is very true, however we all know in singapore society, no paper = no future no matter how much exp u have. sure you can open a garage and workshop, run it and earn money but that's abt it. no more progress from there. experience is important so is paper qualification, paper qualification brings you progress but not neccessarily exp.

    lastly, this thread nor this forum is not meant for flaming one another. if u do not have any beneficial info or comments, pls do keep it to yourself, im so darn tired of flaming, it's so common in most forums, think abt it. we are here to help one another not create tension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahcaibiker View Post
    hey bro, i studied automotive technology back i was in ITE, i can apply for a job to be a mechanic with my cert.
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    i thank you for your input but pls refrain from misleading people who don have such knowledge. No offence, thanks.
    Well you started it

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    ahcaibiker,

    jus a suggestion to you. i would say it is a matter of you dun know some of the forumers here who posted in here in regards to you, jus like they dun know you.

    words like
    i studied automotive technology back i was in ITE, i can apply for a job to be a mechanic with my cert.
    that you posted therefore made it look more like you are boasting etc. i'm not implying you are, but it looks like that when i dun know you personally.

    lets carry on with bike topics and less of talking about ourselves, or even others.

    if u do not have any beneficial info or comments, pls do keep it to yourself
    the other bro here is also providing some infos, jus like you, so this statement seems unfriendly too...

    you 2 shd jus stop talking about you, me etc and focus solely on the topic you guys are debating about.

    if my post is deemed offending to anyone, mods jus delete it away ok.


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    i thank you for your input but pls refrain from misleading people who don have such knowledge. No offence, thanks.[/QUOTE]

    oh dear......
    i think we have an expert here. asking questions and help i suppose??
    but instead showing us as a fraud...hahhah

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    Anyways.. Transformers 2 the girlfriend of the male lead rides a 2 stroke right?
    Looked like it... normal 4 stroke inline 4 too heavy for her?


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    I'm not sure if its a 2 stroker but it sure sounds like one...Hmm though I shouldn't place too much faith in movie sounds, the ducati hypermotard in Yes Man sounded like a inline 4, not a l-twin...

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    white smoke coming out of your bike exhuast always spell trouble...
    i stand to be corrected on this.

    the foloowing might interest to some:
    colour of exhaust smoke
    black..premix ratio too much 2T oil
    bluish..petrol..very rich mix
    white..water vapours and/or EO..busted water cooling system, and/or piston rings.

    would like to hear comments ...this is what i believe..

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    i sincerely apologize if any of my non malicious comments offended anyone. im sorry, again i repeat, im not here to flame anyone nor do i expect any flaming from anyone to whoever. mod pls step in if the fire go out of control. Thanks for everyone's inputs.

    mepkoh, if u still think u stand correct on your viewpoint, go tell ah chong from planet that he is wrong. i have verified with him and he definitely knows his job with years of experience. if u still think u are correct then continue thinking that way. to each his own. we can disagree on one another's opinion but pls don strain the relations even though we do not know each other.
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    with my ta150 for 5 yrs.
    sure got white smoke. but v light one hehe not that until foggy kind unless i turn my choke on.

    and ta150 is a good ride, just don't forget that 2T u're pretty safe
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    hahahaha..... a word of advice....never say someone misled other people..

    achong yeah that is his opinion..hahahah...have not so nice experience with him anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nivleK1985 View Post
    with my ta150 for 5 yrs.
    sure got white smoke. but v light one hehe not that until foggy kind unless i turn my choke on.

    and ta150 is a good ride, just don't forget that 2T u're pretty safe
    check again...grey..black smoke coming out..hahaha white smoke watch out.

     

     
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    change bike le hehe
    April'12~Current - Kymco DownTown 125i
    June'09 ~ April'12. - Kymco Grand Dink 150.
    1st June'04 till now 30th June'09. - Honda TA150
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    read the first page.

    2 stroke bikes don't emit white smoke either the rider rides slowly(very very) or there is something fishy(very very)

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    jb, didn't notice, but starting bike sure white smoke most of the time.
    on choke, start bike, warm up i get white smoke. :S

    riding time, i dun really go see haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    hahahaha..... a word of advice....never say someone misled other people..

    achong yeah that is his opinion..hahahah...have not so nice experience with him anyway.
    it is a fact that your are wrong yet u insist you r right, go gather all the mechanics from bike workshops and ask them the white smoke issue and you know what i mean. if u think you r right, then u r right lor.

    i understand perfectly sometimes it is difficult to admit one's mistake. pride gets in the way, ouch. Im talking about myself so pls don get touchy itchy over this comment. ah chong is a nice guy, even if i don noe him well. since you think you are right, no amount of words or talking gonna change your mindset. i respect your opinion. not happy? ask honda motorcycles for verification. go back to the manufacturers for their expertise, afterall they r the ones who build the engine. they cant go wrong can they? if they agree minimal white smoke = normal and yet u disagree, then i really nothing to say. go on, tell the ITE automotive instructors they are teaching nonsense.

    like it anot, in my opinion, u are misleading people. white smoke means trouble....LMAO. all 2 stroke owners, pls go do major engine overhaul... expect to see many sp, krr, rxz, tzm outside bikeshops... pls don take ppl's kindness for his/her weakness.

    mod, if this gets out of hand pls remove all posts with any provocative comment. im a person who loves peace and am a anti-flamer. u want flame ppl? pls go to stomp. can flame till u song.

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    aiya ahcai, dw la...
    if he riding ta150, he should know hehe relax.

    take it w a pinch of salt, no end de...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nivleK1985 View Post
    aiya ahcai, dw la...
    if he riding ta150, he should know hehe relax.

    take it w a pinch of salt, no end de...

    no probs bro, im cool. not just TA150 owners will understand this. whoever who rode a 2 stroker will understand. im glad u understand the white smoke issue. but i just detest ppl who insist they are right when they are clearly wrong. and end up confusing ppl who not very technical abt bike stuff.
    not only that, flame ppl who are clearly sharing correct info.

    just a guidline. don agree with anything? don post or reply. if reply just reply your opinion on that issue and not counter argue an opinion u disagree with. a suggestion to the mods, if any particular forumer caught flaming ppl more than 5 times, his/her account should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madman View Post
    ahcaibiker,

    jus a suggestion to you. i would say it is a matter of you dun know some of the forumers here who posted in here in regards to you, jus like they dun know you.

    words like that you posted therefore made it look more like you are boasting etc. i'm not implying you are, but it looks like that when i dun know you personally.

    lets carry on with bike topics and less of talking about ourselves, or even others.



    the other bro here is also providing some infos, jus like you, so this statement seems unfriendly too...

    you 2 shd jus stop talking about you, me etc and focus solely on the topic you guys are debating about.

    if my post is deemed offending to anyone, mods jus delete it away ok.


    cheers,
    hi madman, i agree with what u shared. thanks. but im sure u know the problem with alot of forums, flaming. some ppl just like to add fuel to fire and end up making the whole thing so much worse. so my suggestion is, if whoever got nothing to share to help the situation? keep quiet. very simple. talk abt the main issue can say until personal attk on the person. i don understand really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ahcaibiker View Post
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    i understand perfectly sometimes it is difficult to admit one's mistake. pride gets in the way, ouch. Im talking about myself so pls don get touchy itchy over this comment.

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    like it anot, in my opinion, u are misleading people. white smoke means trouble....LMAO. all 2 stroke owners, pls go do major engine overhaul... expect to see many sp, krr, rxz, tzm outside bikeshops... pls don take ppl's kindness for his/her weakness.

    ...
    Since you have agreed that this goes both ways, I suggest that you shut up. There is a basis behind what ah chong said and there is a basis behind what mepkoh is saying, and both are different matters.

    If you do not understand, ask why. Don't crucify the person who is suggesting to you his/her opinion for the question you asked. If you disagree just say so and let it be, and don't be the mindless, prideful antagonist you are starting this whole nonsense.

    I thought this stinking attitude in those who are "elite". Seems like its also in those who "think" they are...

    So now, stop this tit for tat and move on, let this be the thread it is suppose to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SNapEl View Post
    Since you have agreed that this goes both ways, I suggest that you shut up. There is a basis behind what ah chong said and there is a basis behind what mepkoh is saying, and both are different matters.

    If you do not understand, ask why. Don't crucify the person who is suggesting to you his/her opinion for the question you asked. If you disagree just say so and let it be, and don't be the mindless, prideful antagonist you are starting this whole nonsense.

    I thought this stinking attitude in those who are "elite". Seems like its also in those who "think" they are...

    So now, stop this tit for tat and move on, let this be the thread it is suppose to be.

    p.s. This will be my last response to the game a fool has started.
    this is an typical example of a person that doesnt help the situation. that kind of person that loves adding fuel to fire. u should ST*U not me. mod pls step in, make this forum a more pleasant place to be. i've been observing your posts and your post more often than not doesnt help the situation. dude, grow up pls.

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    Haha looks like someone read through all 1621, now 1622, of my posts.
    My, looks like I've got myself a stalker haven't I? I didn't know i look so good online


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    TA150 don't put coolant, just put water can or not har?
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    best thing, dun put anything. no spoil dun touch !
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    But TA150 is liquid cool one mah, no put will overheat leh...
    I only familiar with air-cooled 4-stroker bikes, newbie on 2-strokers....

    Water can or not har? Coolant more expensive than tap water leh...
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    bro blackdawn..
    need coolant la dey.. lol
    but 1x coolant.. can use for damn long.. coz the bike itself hardly overheat.. the only time i saw the temp gauge reached half.. was jam at checkpoint.. not even near red line

    or maybe i have a cool bike?
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    Saw a ta150 with a really weird looking engine... Its either part of the engine case came off or owner go change engine... see if i can upload the pic.


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    what brand of coolant is best for ta150 btw?
    need some good coolant to cool everyone in this thread..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDawn View Post
    But TA150 is liquid cool one mah, no put will overheat leh...
    I only familiar with air-cooled 4-stroker bikes, newbie on 2-strokers....

    Water can or not har? Coolant more expensive than tap water leh...
    NEVER USE TAP WATER ONLY! whenever possible, avoid using tap water. use distilled water if you can, and mix it with the appropriate amt of coolant! cooling system is expensive to overhaul... using tap water WILL guarantee to corrode your cooling system and damage the complex seals in the waterpump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackDawn View Post
    TA150 don't put coolant, just put water can or not har?
    Quote Originally Posted by newcomer View Post
    NEVER USE TAP WATER ONLY! whenever possible, avoid using tap water. use distilled water if you can, and mix it with the appropriate amt of coolant! cooling system is expensive to overhaul... using tap water WILL guarantee to corrode your cooling system and damage the complex seals in the waterpump.

    http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums...6&postcount=30
    its because of the minerals reacting to the metal thats causing the corrosion, or rusting in lay mans term, anyway sg use distilled water still the best...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahcaibiker View Post
    1st of all, thanks for your inputs. fyi, i didint say it is normal if a bike emits too much white smoke. A 2 stroke engine obviously WILL produce white smoke, if it doesnt then the engine is in serious trouble, too much white smoke meaning 2T is too concentrated in the air fuel-mixture which is also no gd as it will leave more carbon deposits behind.

    secondly, i not using my cert to prove i noe everything. qualification needs to be backed up by experience. that is very true, however we all know in singapore society, no paper = no future no matter how much exp u have. sure you can open a garage and workshop, run it and earn money but that's abt it. no more progress from there. experience is important so is paper qualification, paper qualification brings you progress but not neccessarily exp.

    lastly, this thread nor this forum is not meant for flaming one another. if u do not have any beneficial info or comments, pls do keep it to yourself, im so darn tired of flaming, it's so common in most forums, think abt it. we are here to help one another not create tension.

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    on this ur cert wins handsdown...

    Ahcaibiker, im sorry for what i've said, and i shall conclude that the white smoke thingy shall be adjourned for now....

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    so nobody uses coolant on ta150 apart from my ex bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by [Wizard] View Post
    so nobody uses coolant on ta150 apart from my ex bike?

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    kiam, n cs. really... my bike nv touch on coolant b4.
    only checked b4 by koon n chong.
    both times also nv change
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    it is a fact that your are wrong yet u insist you r right, go gather all the mechanics from bike workshops and ask them the white smoke issue and you know what i mean. if u think you r right, then u r right lor.

    i understand perfectly sometimes it is difficult to admit one's mistake. pride gets in the way, ouch. Im talking about myself so pls don get touchy itchy over this comment. ah chong is a nice guy, even if i don noe him well. since you think you are right, no amount of words or talking gonna change your mindset. i respect your opinion. not happy? ask honda motorcycles for verification. go back to the manufacturers for their expertise, afterall they r the ones who build the engine. they cant go wrong can they? if they agree minimal white smoke = normal and yet u disagree, then i really nothing to say. go on, tell the ITE automotive instructors they are teaching nonsense.

    like it anot, in my opinion, u are misleading people. white smoke means trouble....LMAO. all 2 stroke owners, pls go do major engine overhaul... expect to see many sp, krr, rxz, tzm outside bikeshops... pls don take ppl's kindness for his/her weakness.

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    thank you very much for respecting my opinion...i am so happy that u have say that...
    i let the matter rest..

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    so far those shops which i had my ta150 checked says that the travelling dist in SG is not that far.. on top of that we wont encounter jam that will last a few hours.. even in jams we can zoom pass a lot of cars and lorries... so it's actually quite safe that we use DISTILLED water for the cooling system...

    However, as we all know that water will evaporate as time pass... and ta150 have the tendency of getting heated up over a short time.. so my recommendation is to add coolant to ur ta150 instead... unless you are those super hardworking kind who will check every other week... a normal coolant doesnt cost much.. can get from tons of places if you search... it's more logical for one to invest in coolant rather then a repair when you forgot to check the water level in the cooling system... it juz take once for things to happen...

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    TA150 with a weird looking engine..

    But his bike is shiny... can see my reflection.





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    wah.. the engine does indeed look different!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNapEl View Post
    TA150 with a weird looking engine..

    But his bike is shiny... can see my reflection.



    ok what your looking at is a Rc valve block. From the looks it also looks like my sp block. Maybe older version of Ta 150 is using rc valve, or there could also be a chance that the person mod his ta 150 to fit rc valve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SNapEl View Post
    TA150 with a weird looking engine..

    But his bike is shiny... can see my reflection.



    i think it has the cover for the 2t pump area and the cylinder cover removed..thus exposing the innards..which we seldom see.
    the cover for the sump has been replaced . IMHO

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    looks like parts kena stolen sia...hahaa...


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    very minimalist design, not surprise if its a block from sp, cuz they both share same mounting point, and that the internal are same except for the cylinder dimension slightly diff...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nivleK1985 View Post
    jb, didn't notice, but starting bike sure white smoke most of the time.
    on choke, start bike, warm up i get white smoke. :S

    riding time, i dun really go see haha
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    Default top up water in radiator??

    to set the record straight...
    all water cool vehicles that i know off have a water reservoir/container for collecting the overflow water from the radiator. the water will be sucked back to the radiator when the engine cools down. so there is no need to top up water on a daily basis...the topping of water is done to the reservoir/container...if there is aneed to top up say once a week..i would suspect that there is some leakages and losses somewhere. once a month inspection/top up will suffice or when temperature gauge seems to show a higher temp than normal. thats why most riders dont worry about water in the radiator. Experience riders can feel that the ride needs to top up..as for normal mortals inspection still needs to be done.

    it is best to use distilled water..normal tap water is often hard and have all sorts of chemicals introduced to it ..ie chlorine, flourides and other water softeners added to it. thus this will cause corrosion..chlorine is a very corrosive chemical...the other chemicals will end up as stains, sludges in the
    radiator--which will degrade the radiator cooling capability...the addition of coolant mitigates the corrosion aspect..thus using coolant and tap water is not that bad..But the best is still distilled water..the cheapest free source is to cllect the condesation from air conditioners.

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    I ride a TA150 and am just wondering whether TA150 can use the air filter TA200 uses. i understand they are different as TA150 air filter is like a piece of sponge and TA200's is many layers of folded paper kinda thing and can be cleaned unlike the sponge air filter TA150 uses. pls enlighten me.

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    Talking re:my first post

    As mention earlier, that i had a problem of black oil dripping from my end can(the only hole at the end part of exhuast) after ride. After inspection at unique motor, was told that it is normal.

    me: erm boss, can i ask you why sometime my bike got black oil drip from my exhuast pipe or not? my friend told me is normal for 2 stroker, dunno right or not?

    mech: then normal lor, cos your one just runned in ma(translated from mandrain).




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    Quote Originally Posted by ahpuirider View Post
    I ride a TA150 and am just wondering whether TA150 can use the air filter TA200 uses. i understand they are different as TA150 air filter is like a piece of sponge and TA200's is many layers of folded paper kinda thing and can be cleaned unlike the sponge air filter TA150 uses. pls enlighten me.
    modiication required.. but too much trouble...not worth the effort. IMHO


    please remeber..ta 150 ..150cc=300cc 4 stroke at 100% eficiency..obviously not possible...,maybe 250 cc equivalent..thats whya ta150 always outrun ta200 anytime. so the air intake volume is therefore vastly diff...

    furthemore ta 150...resuable filter..ie clean and reuse (similar to k&n filter)...while ta200 is use and throw type.

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    Default oil drippimg from exhaust..

    oil dripping from exhaust..normal???

    i will tell my mech..your backside leaking still normal???

    hahahha...

    you end up riding a smoker..and u will smell of 2t after every ride..
    you will grab the attention of all other road users...including tp.
    my only suggestion go to another workshop when u need to do EO change and seek 2nd opinion.

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    noticed some brake fluid leaking from the front brake pump near the lever. as brakes are very crucial, i do not want to take chances and went to a bike shop in yishun and replaced the pump kit as it was cheaper compared to replacing the whole pump assembly. it consists of a short shaft, spring, and a rubber seal. it costs me $55 just for a few small items. It came in a plastic wrapping with a honda paper sticked to it, it says honda genuine part and "made in Japan" clearly imprinted on the paper. was quoted $110 for the whole brake pump assembly... just wondering did i get carroted? someone pls help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    modiication required.. but too much trouble...not worth the effort. IMHO


    please remeber..ta 150 ..150cc=300cc 4 stroke at 100% eficiency..obviously not possible...,maybe 250 cc equivalent..thats whya ta150 always outrun ta200 anytime. so the air intake volume is therefore vastly diff...

    furthemore ta 150...resuable filter..ie clean and reuse (similar to k&n filter)...while ta200 is use and throw type.
    thanks. i prefer to use a filter which i can reuse, easier on the pockets. i love the power TA150 generates. whoa, if tp realised that 150cc 2 stroke = 300cc 4 stroke, wont they classify 150cc 2 stokers under class 2A? not nice sia. haha.

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