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    hi bros, kenna today PIE freaking-hell heavy rain! after i park my bike, 5 min ltr come back couldn't start! it's like cough (very weak) a bit, then got a lot of fast-pace tek tek tek sound when i press start button (the neutral light will go dim/off when i press).

    battery should be ok as got horn, head light & neutral light. i on the spot change spark plug also same... managed to push start & head home. any ideas? thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nfs_unlimited View Post
    hi bros, kenna today PIE freaking-hell heavy rain! after i park my bike, 5 min ltr come back couldn't start! it's like cough (very weak) a bit, then got a lot of fast-pace tek tek tek sound when i press start button (the neutral light will go dim/off when i press).

    battery should be ok as got horn, head light & neutral light. i on the spot change spark plug also same... managed to push start & head home. any ideas? thanks!
    ok what ur experiencing is a leakage of current from ur spark plug cap, as u mentioned u rode in the heavy rain yes no???

    water churned from ur front wheels will get to the block and that some freak chances of the water conducting the current from the spark plug cap to the block directly...hence changing the spark plug might not really help, if u ever encountered the same symptoms, spray WD40 onto the spark plug cap, and ur good to go....
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    hey. can someone point out whr is the carb located?
    and how often you guys wash it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by afiQ View Post
    hey. can someone point out whr is the carb located?
    and how often you guys wash it?
    its situated directly under or slightly infront of ur balls, when u sit on top ur bike...

    my advise is if theres no major prob with the bike, dun touch the carb, dun fix if it ain't broke....the more u do the more leh cheh later....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterwhale View Post
    its situated directly under or slightly infront of ur balls, when u sit on top ur bike...

    my advise is if theres no major prob with the bike, dun touch the carb, dun fix if it ain't broke....the more u do the more leh cheh later....

    okay noted. thanks dude
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    Hi guys. Anyone know how to prevent spark plug from getting wet? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by weezai View Post
    Hi guys. Anyone know how to prevent spark plug from getting wet? Thanks!
    change your spark plug cap...or diy.. tape your cap from one end and on to the cable ..pay particular attention to the cable/cap area..
    test your plug by idling and spraying water to the taped area.
    good luck.

    or your problem could just be a faulty plug...changed it too..if u have not done it after 20,000km ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    change your spark plug cap...or diy.. tape your cap from one end and on to the cable ..pay particular attention to the cable/cap area..
    test your plug by idling and spraying water to the taped area.
    good luck.
    I just change the spark plug cap yesterday. Care to show some picture how to diy? hehe.. Greatly appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamsterwhale View Post
    ok what ur experiencing is a leakage of current from ur spark plug cap, as u mentioned u rode in the heavy rain yes no???

    water churned from ur front wheels will get to the block and that some freak chances of the water conducting the current from the spark plug cap to the block directly...hence changing the spark plug might not really help, if u ever encountered the same symptoms, spray WD40 onto the spark plug cap, and ur good to go....
    thanks bro! ya u r rite man as ytd evening bike suddenly can start normally alrdy, should be the water dry out. so should i change the spark plug cap too to prevent future occurrance? thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by weezai View Post
    I just change the spark plug cap yesterday. Care to show some picture how to diy? hehe.. Greatly appreciated!
    come to the clinic next saturday..i do it for u....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    come to the clinic next saturday..i do it for u....
    ok!! I will check the clinic tread for the meet up. Thank you sooooo much!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    come to the clinic next saturday..i do it for u....
    spoil ur thread...

    *hint hint....use silicone....kekeke
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    Use Blue Tack!
    Change spark plug that time easier!
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    Use scotch tape!

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    hey. why issit eveytime i wanna go over 90km/h there will be like metal grinding metal sound? anyone know what might be the cause? till now if i go above 90km/h, it will be for a few seconds cause scared something will happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afiQ View Post
    hey. why issit eveytime i wanna go over 90km/h there will be like metal grinding metal sound? anyone know what might be the cause? till now if i go above 90km/h, it will be for a few seconds cause scared something will happen.
    mot probably..something is loose and start to vibrate at certain speed/rpm..
    well maybe time to take out your tools and check and tightend loose screws..

    there are some riders who dont maintain or change chains/sprockets...this is the first to protest at higher speeds...i would take a look at this too.

    for those who tend to ride fast....u have to maintain bike probably if not either the bike cannot make it...or else something will give way...and if things going to go wrong..it will go wrong at higher speeds IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    mot probably..something is loose and start to vibrate at certain speed/rpm..
    well maybe time to take out your tools and check and tightend loose screws..

    there are some riders who dont maintain or change chains/sprockets...this is the first to protest at higher speeds...i would take a look at this too.

    for those who tend to ride fast....u have to maintain bike probably if not either the bike cannot make it...or else something will give way...and if things going to go wrong..it will go wrong at higher speeds IMHO
    okay. tmr will head down to planet and ask ah chong. sound serious. thx dude for pointing out
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtzx View Post
    can wd40 be used as degreaser? for chain
    Yes, it's a grease, rust and grime stripper. definately not a lubricant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    mot probably..something is loose and start to vibrate at certain speed/rpm..
    well maybe time to take out your tools and check and tightend loose screws..

    there are some riders who dont maintain or change chains/sprockets...this is the first to protest at higher speeds...i would take a look at this too.

    for those who tend to ride fast....u have to maintain bike probably if not either the bike cannot make it...or else something will give way...and if things going to go wrong..it will go wrong at higher speeds IMHO
    mepkoh, i came about car articles that by replacing spark plug wires, you can get better mileage due to deterioration. Is this true? also, is it applicable to bikes at well? thanks.

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    The reason why changing spark plug cables helps in economy is due to less throttle.

    Better throttle response = less need to open throttle = less petrol consumption.

    So doing whatever to increase throttle response (some claimed additives, cable, plug itself, etc) will improve FE somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart Bet View Post
    The reason why changing spark plug cables helps in economy is due to less throttle.

    Better throttle response = less need to open throttle = less petrol consumption.

    So doing whatever to increase throttle response (some claimed additives, cable, plug itself, etc) will improve FE somewhat.
    thanks. i think ill check out lab for the cost of a new cable.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    mepkoh, i came about car articles that by replacing spark plug wires, you can get better mileage due to deterioration. Is this true? also, is it applicable to bikes at well? thanks.
    all parts and components deteoriate with time..some more so than others.
    as far as high tension cables are concerned...there are more critical..
    the cable often dries and become stiff with time, cracking off cable insulation will cause leakages..and sometimes it will end as misfire of bike.
    thus to ensure your cable can spark at above 20k volts( IMHO) for good performance is a good check..if it ever falls below 15k v..cable change is neccessary.(discounting the high tension coil ).

    it is a wise practise that the high tension cable is mounted away from the engine block and chasis...to minimise the possibility of leakages.

    there may be a better FC...when u change it..but it may not.
    FC depends on the whole system...most time change 1 component may not feel the impact.

    so if u can test the cable and decide it is time to chnage ... if the high tension is less than expected..a new cable may improves FC and performance. i hope this answer your queries.
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    One of my fork may be short of fork oil. Every time I apply the front brake, it give off a noice. It may be due to uneven balance of the forks.
    Can I just open the top bolt of the fork and top up some fork oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by protecter1 View Post
    One of my fork may be short of fork oil. Every time I apply the front brake, it give off a noice. It may be due to uneven balance of the forks.
    Can I just open the top bolt of the fork and top up some fork oil?
    Are you sure it's your front forks? Cos applying front brake to stop and hearing a screeching noise is usually your front brakes. Either it is dirty or your brake pad has worn out till the metal is pressing against the brake disc.

    But if you meant by holding down front brake and pumping the front suspension and hearing some noise, it could be not enough fork oil or some debris got into the fork seals thus causing the noise. I'd suggest going to a reliable mechanic to do the top up.

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    instead of checking voltages...
    a quick check of resistance on the high tension cables can give a good indication of the cable condition . a rule of thumb is the resistance should not be more than 5000 ohms per inch...so u have a 30 inches of cable...the max resistance will be 5000 x 30=450k ohms. thus you will notice the cable is cut to the shortest length possible.

    anothe test u can do..is to check for leakages....ground a screw driver to ground..and then have the screw drive move over the cable---do this in a darken area so u can spot the spark jumping out of the cable to the screw driver..this will indicate the cable insulation is gone for its purpose

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    thanks mepkoh for the detailed explanation. Ill check with planet the price. If its cheap, ill get it changed. Doubt it was changed in this 70 000km of ownership.

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    Hi all, recently my bike gearbox got problem. only gear 2 & 4 works, rest seem to die liao... initial i was riding on the express way suddenly all the gears cannot work & there is sound coming out from the gearbox, i called my cousin for help & he adjust the crutch & manage revive 2 & 4th gear...

    any ppl here can recommend what is the standard price for the repair for replace of the gearbox..
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    Not too sure if this link may help to find a solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hata View Post
    Hi all, recently my bike gearbox got problem. only gear 2 & 4 works, rest seem to die liao... initial i was riding on the express way suddenly all the gears cannot work & there is sound coming out from the gearbox, i called my cousin for help & he adjust the crutch & manage revive 2 & 4th gear...

    any ppl here can recommend what is the standard price for the repair for replace of the gearbox..
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    Quote Originally Posted by vincekam View Post
    Not too sure if this link may help to find a solution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    if it happens when u close throttle or downshift gear??

    i would check the chain tension and or chain guide/slider.
    maybe your chain tension is slack..and/or chain slider worn out.
    Hi, I recently have such problem too. Especially when downshifting gear, there will be some noise from the exhaust pipe. Is it something serious here ? Or is it normal ? Been riding for more than 1 year and first time encounter this.

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    what weird sound? pom pom pom? if so, get your carb changed. about $65.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by superakan View Post
    Hi, I recently have such problem too. Especially when downshifting gear, there will be some noise from the exhaust pipe. Is it something serious here ? Or is it normal ? Been riding for more than 1 year and first time encounter this.
    there is a good chance that the fuel mix is rich...thus a bit back fire..IMHO..
    a check of the exhuast pipe end..is it very sooty??ie u can actually scrappe the carbon off the exhaust outlet... run engine at high rpm (stationary mode)and u can see all sorts ofn stuff coming out at the end..if this is the source o the problem a retune to leaner mix may solve the problem.

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    Lao Jiao here... need some advise

    I am unable to start my ta200 (have not been riding for 2 weeks)

    I tried push-starting but it is not working. wad can i do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    Lao Jiao here... need some advise

    I am unable to start my ta200 (have not been riding for 2 weeks)

    I tried push-starting but it is not working. wad can i do?
    hmmm... I think you would need to list down the things that you have done / checked...

    is there any petrol left in the tank...?

    have you checked the bike for any signs of tampering...?

    if you need to ride urgently... you might consider getting it towed... and inspected by the doctor...


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    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    Lao Jiao here... need some advise

    I am unable to start my ta200 (have not been riding for 2 weeks)

    I tried push-starting but it is not working. wad can i do?
    Usually, its the battery. Are you sure you push start correctly? check if your engine kill switch is on. fuel cork is on. If that doesnt work, maybe go buy a battery or tow to a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    what weird sound? pom pom pom? if so, get your carb changed. about $65.
    so easily need to change carb?
    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    Lao Jiao here... need some advise

    I am unable to start my ta200 (have not been riding for 2 weeks)
    you more lao jiao man

    I tried push-starting but it is not working. wad can i do?
    probably is your batt and you didn't push start it well, a bike is easy to push start, picture a bigger vehicle
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    Quote Originally Posted by VidaK View Post
    hmmm... I think you would need to list down the things that you have done / checked...

    is there any petrol left in the tank...?

    have you checked the bike for any signs of tampering...?

    if you need to ride urgently... you might consider getting it towed... and inspected by the doctor...

    Petrol 3/4 full, EO changed 3 weeks ago & bikes look free of tampering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    Usually, its the battery. Are you sure you push start correctly? check if your engine kill switch is on. fuel cork is on. If that doesnt work, maybe go buy a battery or tow to a doctor.

    Quote Originally Posted by jB View Post
    so easily need to change carb?

    probably is your batt and you didn't push start it well, a bike is easy to push start, picture a bigger vehicle
    Tried push starting for 1 whole hour still cant start.

    Anyway, the steps I taken to push start.

    How to Push Start a Motorcycle
    Push-starting a motorcycle is a useful trick when you have a dead battery or the engine won't turn over. It starts the engine quickly without using the battery by using the momentum of the motorcycle.
    Steps
    1. Turn the key to the "on" position.
    2. Put the bike in neutral.
    3. Make sure the engine kill switch is in the on position.
    4. Check the fuel valve to make sure that fuel is being supplied to the engine. Basically, just make sure that you've done everything you normally do when starting your bike, but don't hit the ignition switch.
    5. Roll your bike down a hill or have a helpful friend give you a push to get moving.
    6. Try to hit roughly 10mph (ideally, the faster the better, since you'll have more momentum), pull in the clutch, put the bike into first gear (sometimes second works better, if one doesn't work try the other) and let go of the clutch QUICKLY.
    7. The engine will sputter and start. Give it gas, and pull the clutch back in so you don't take off. Stop and hold the clutch in or put it in neutral, and make sure the engine is running well.
    8. Once the engine is running smoothly, put it in first gear, and drive your bike to the shop to replace the battery or find out why it was having so much trouble.


    I'm guessing is the battery drained already...
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    - is there light from your headlight (is it dim or normal)?
    - what is the sound when you hit the eStart (tick tick, stuttering crank)?
    - while push start, is there any crank in the engine?
    - is your kill switch loose?
    - is your fuel hose line loose?
    - is your spark plug loose?
    - does your spark plug look burnt?
    - is your spark plug igniting at all?

    More details can help ascertain the cause of your bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smart Bet View Post
    - is there light from your headlight (is it dim or normal)?
    - what is the sound when you hit the eStart (tick tick, stuttering crank)?
    - while push start, is there any crank in the engine?
    - is your kill switch loose?
    - is your fuel hose line loose?
    - is your spark plug loose?
    - does your spark plug look burnt?
    - is your spark plug igniting at all?

    More details can help ascertain the cause of your bike.
    There is light from my headlight, signal & brake light. Horn when pressed got no sound.

    hitting the estart will produce a 'tick' sound. However, after prolong pressing, the sound will die off. There are some attempts whereby after I pressed the eStart, the engine seems to be starting but the power is not enough.

    I have eye-balled all wires,tube etc relating to kill switch,fuel hose & spark plug but nothing seems out of place.
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    get the bike jump start...if this doesnt work..
    check for these
    1.got spark or not?? this is difficult if your battery is dead..Thats why jump start to test this too
    2. compression..good or not??
    3. is your fuel good?? is it stale?? doped??..drain and checked.maybe water or other bad stuff in fuel as in rust..scum and what not..is your carb doing its job??? try removing drain screw to confirm petrol is flowing into carb. as well as any crap u can find in your fuel..
    if u are at it check your filter...this could be bad too.

    the way u try to start bike ffor a quite some time..the cylinder could be "flooded"...spark plug all wet...

    if all good it should start....
    note a dying cdi can play all sort o tricks on your bike.

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    Yep, if visual checks all seems ok, probably CDI or (possibly rectifier) problem. The eStart got "tik" but not even a small crank, usually due to ignition issue.

     

     
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    Thanks for the replies, I will try checking.. I'm not too handy with the mechanics of the bike. If I am unable to rectify the problems myself, most probably have to push it to the doctor lei.

    Actually trying to avoid this outcome as the nearest mech I can push to is to ah koon. Maybe if can start the engine can at least ride to LAB. Wanna save money

    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    get the bike jump start...if this doesnt work..
    check for these
    1.got spark or not?? this is difficult if your battery is dead..Thats why jump start to test this too
    2. compression..good or not??
    3. is your fuel good?? is it stale?? doped??..drain and checked.maybe water or other bad stuff in fuel as in rust..scum and what not..is your carb doing its job??? try removing drain screw to confirm petrol is flowing into carb. as well as any crap u can find in your fuel..
    if u are at it check your filter...this could be bad too.

    the way u try to start bike ffor a quite some time..the cylinder could be "flooded"...spark plug all wet...

    if all good it should start....
    note a dying cdi can play all sort o tricks on your bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smart Bet View Post
    Yep, if visual checks all seems ok, probably CDI or (possibly rectifier) problem. The eStart got "tik" but not even a small crank, usually due to ignition issue.
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    Get a friend to push you on your bike.. use gear 2 or 3 then throw clutch and throttle abit. Check fuse but your symptoms,i got it before. push start settled it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    There is light from my headlight, signal & brake light. Horn when pressed got no sound.

    hitting the estart will produce a 'tick' sound. However, after prolong pressing, the sound will die off. There are some attempts whereby after I pressed the eStart, the engine seems to be starting but the power is not enough.

    I have eye-balled all wires,tube etc relating to kill switch,fuel hose & spark plug but nothing seems out of place.
    Got "Tick" sound should be Battery dead.
    Got this experience before too.

    Can push start, when reached work place, purposely off and start, can start. After work, cannot start, next morning again push start!

    Go change your Battery, problem should be gone after that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    Got "Tick" sound should be Battery dead.
    Got this experience before too.

    Can push start, when reached work place, purposely off and start, can start. After work, cannot start, next morning again push start!

    Go change your Battery, problem should be gone after that.
    Quote Originally Posted by Hydher View Post
    Get a friend to push you on your bike.. use gear 2 or 3 then throw clutch and throttle abit. Check fuse but your symptoms,i got it before. push start settled it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smart Bet View Post
    Yep, if visual checks all seems ok, probably CDI or (possibly rectifier) problem. The eStart got "tik" but not even a small crank, usually due to ignition issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by mepkoh View Post
    get the bike jump start...if this doesnt work..
    check for these
    1.got spark or not?? this is difficult if your battery is dead..Thats why jump start to test this too
    2. compression..good or not??
    3. is your fuel good?? is it stale?? doped??..drain and checked.maybe water or other bad stuff in fuel as in rust..scum and what not..is your carb doing its job??? try removing drain screw to confirm petrol is flowing into carb. as well as any crap u can find in your fuel..
    if u are at it check your filter...this could be bad too.

    the way u try to start bike ffor a quite some time..the cylinder could be "flooded"...spark plug all wet...

    if all good it should start....
    note a dying cdi can play all sort o tricks on your bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by jB View Post
    so easily need to change carb?

    probably is your batt and you didn't push start it well, a bike is easy to push start, picture a bigger vehicle
    Quote Originally Posted by VidaK View Post
    hmmm... I think you would need to list down the things that you have done / checked...

    is there any petrol left in the tank...?

    have you checked the bike for any signs of tampering...?

    if you need to ride urgently... you might consider getting it towed... and inspected by the doctor...

    thanks everyone for their input... finally got my bike moving after push-starting for dunno how many times. Virgin push-starter therefore mayb never do it correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    thanks everyone for their input... finally got my bike moving after push-starting for dunno how many times. Virgin push-starter therefore mayb never do it correctly.
    ha ok... but do get your bike checked by the doctor just in case ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EK View Post
    thanks everyone for their input... finally got my bike moving after push-starting for dunno how many times. Virgin push-starter therefore mayb never do it correctly.

    see see.. hehee

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    sorry noob question here..
    as mentioned above for push start,
    push your bike 10KMH and First gear in then release clutch.
    this will not spoiled the gear box or others?

    because last time i tried to push my bike with Gear 1 condition, the bike cannot move...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnightDragon View Post
    sorry noob question here..
    as mentioned above for push start,
    push your bike 10KMH and First gear in then release clutch.
    this will not spoiled the gear box or others?

    because last time i tried to push my bike with Gear 1 condition, the bike cannot move...
    Gear1 is for superman to push start...as a normal mortal i use gear 3 or 4. Engage to gear 3 or 4,clutch in, then push the bike.

    .once u get going at a steady momentum jump onto the bike ..steady yourself and release your clutch..Engine should start to stutter, at this point clutch in and increase throttle until the engine starts to run properly .maybe at this point shift to the appropraite gear and off u go.

    u have to have some practice to jump on to bike..if not at lower gear the bike may run off without u.

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    Hi Guys,

    Recently my TA200 started to give me a problem.

    It goes like that:
    When I was picking up or while cruising, the will be a drawback, as in like pull-back and then goes back normal. I could experience that a few times during my ride. My mechanic thought that it might be the carburetor problem, so he took it out and gave it a good wash. After which he realized that there was a crack line on rubber joint connecting the carburetor to the engine which might be one of the reason why that problem. After changing it, the problem still persist, my mechanic told me that the only thing left now would be the magnetic coil problem.

    Any Bros out there experienced this problem before or heard about it?
    Please give me some advices.

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