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    GENERAL
    Model 2003 Suzuki TL 1000 R
    Category Sport

    ENGINE
    Type 996 cc, Liquid cooled, 90° V-twin, 4-stroke
    Bore x stroke (mm) 98 x 66
    Compression ratio 11,7:1
    Valve train DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder
    Fuel system Mikuni/Denso Fuel Injection
    Ignition Digital/transistorized
    Transmission Chain
    Gears 6 speed
    Torque 0 Nm @ 0 rpm

    CHASSIS
    Brakes front dual 320mm discs with 4-piston calipers
    Brakes rear single 220mm disc with 2-piston calipers
    Tires front 120/70-17
    Tires rear 190/50-17

    DIMENSIONS
    Length 2100 mm (82.7 inches)
    Width 740 mm (29.1 inches)
    Height 1120 mm (44.1 inches)
    Seat Height 825 mm (32.5 inches)
    Wheelbase 1395 mm (54.9 inches)
    Fuel Capacity - reserve 17 l (4.49 gallons)
    Dry Weight 197 kg (434.4 pounds)
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    a bit delay action but i saw this bike on road tot its g1.
    then teck told me its tl1000
    anybody knows more about this bike. as compared to g1....

     

     
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    heard that this bike quite a speed demon as well..

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    heard that this bike quite a speed demon as well..
    so speedy that it leaves everyone behind at 270kmh... some maybe 280kmh...

    ouch its a vtwin.. and they arent really that fast...

    but it weighs in like an elephant for a 996cc bike... if u get what i mean...
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    heard that this bike quite a speed demon as well..
    so speedy that it leaves everyone behind at 270kmh... some maybe 280kmh...

    ouch its a vtwin.. and they arent really that fast...

    but it weighs in like an elephant for a 996cc bike... if u get what i mean...
    But in terms of pick-up,
    i think it's very hard to beat it....

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    But in terms of pick-up,
    i think it's very hard to beat it....
    hmmmzz why do u think so?? i have seen tlr's launch before.. and they aren't really that quick either.. neither is the top speed...

    its really a prototype that went wrong... first planned for superbikes series but ended out a flop...

    the tl1000r is an artifact... u find in museums for bikes...
    put an average rider on one, and give it a go on the track or road.. and put that same rider on a r1, 929, 954, gixxer1, zx9, rc51... and he will go so much quicker.. not forgetting the gixxer750, r6, zx6rr, gixxer6... heheheheh

    its time to move on... it was cool in 98 but.. thats like 5years ago man!
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    Cannot comment much on TLR since I did not ride it before.
    I rode TLS before, and was surprise by how capable a big bore V-twin is.
    Push the bike hard will be rewarding.

    I knew that TLR smooth out the brute power of TLS. As usual, V-Twin accelerate real fast without realising it is fast, because that how it is built.

    Got a fren riding TLR, he comment that the handling is less nimble as usual sportbike. But given hard corner, he will pull away first out of the corner because of higher torque at lower rev.

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    if comparing a TL to a G1 .... a G1 win in my opinion G1 are the fastest in the litre cat.

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    if comparing a TL to a G1 .... a G1 win in my opinion G1 are the fastest in the litre cat.
    any1 tried comparing G1 with a Ducati??? 998 or 996?
    really curious to know
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    Inline Vs V-Twin with the same capacity...G1 definately no horse run.
    TLR can only compare with GSXR750 in performance.
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    How do you delete posts that were posted twice by accident? Damn..

     

     
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    I knew that TLR smooth out the brute power of TLS. As usual, V-Twin accelerate real fast without realising it is fast, because that how it is built.
    Hahaha... I have to agree with you, there. TL-R is a TL-S put in a straightjacket. Suzuki modded it heavily to get rid of TL-S's vicious character. For example, that dodgy rotary damper was removed, threw out the trellis frame for a beefed up beam spar type.

    But the damage had already been done when TL-S went mental right after it was launched. So as a consequence, its successor the TL-R never really sold that well.

    But still, you do get that awesome stomp of a big-bore V-twin plus Japanese build quality, reliability and dependability. In that sense, one can say it's a better option than Italian V-twins like Ducatis (if only the TL-S is as lithe and sexy).

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    TLS is a "Wild"...Tankslapping rumour spoil it sale...I rode it..and it was a unforgiving bike...you charge into corner it can give you 100% satisfaction...but no slight mistake is allowed!!

    Haven tried TLR..abit gian gian!! No fren riding one.
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    this bike looks fierce. i was taken aback by the appearance. esp by the twin pipes.

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    what category does TLS goes into with regards to insurance?
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    somebody mentioning the comparison between a vtwin of the same cc size as a inline and being better on pick up??

    ok... what i have seen with my own eyes... Desmond Lance on the 996sps at pg... behind a gsxr1000k2 on the front straight trying to test the drive of the k2... by slowing down to follow the gsxr1000k2 at the last corner... n try to match the k2 on the straight for pick up...

    he did manage to keep up with the gixxer... but not gain on it... and my friend on his k2... was just starting out and his first day on track... pg..

    vtwins are tot to be torquey... but they arent... they just dont rev high thats all...
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    I got a video clip of GSXR1000K chasing a determine 99' R1.
    Did anyone saw it...I dunno how to put it here leh!!
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    I reckon the black and yellow TLR look best!!
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    I got a video clip of GSXR1000K chasing a determine 99' R1.
    Did anyone saw it...I dunno how to put it here leh!!
    so what happened?? the r1 was faster? or the gixxer? stock on stock the gixxer will always be faster than the r1... on straights.. out of the turns.. but otherwise the 954 and 02 r1 will be easier to ride fast...

    anyway i aint sure about Desmonds surname, but to those here who dont know who he is... i think he holds a certain track record on PG at some time for fastest national rider or something... anyhow, he is/was a racer... and his sps is quite done up...
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    I got a video clip of GSXR1000K chasing a determine 99' R1.
    Did anyone saw it...I dunno how to put it here leh!!
    so what happened?? the r1 was faster? or the gixxer? stock on stock the gixxer will always be faster than the r1... on straights.. out of the turns.. but otherwise the 954 and 02 r1 will be easier to ride fast...

    anyway i aint sure about Desmonds surname, but to those here who dont know who he is... i think he holds a certain track record on PG at some time for fastest national rider or something... anyhow, he is/was a racer... and his sps is quite done up...
    G1 chasing after 99 R1 with Akrapovic...They challenge on roll on at 6 gear...and oso twice trying top speed from 2 or third gear I think...

    G1 just got no chance to overtake that Akrapovic R1. Coolz siah!!
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    I got a video clip of GSXR1000K chasing a determine 99' R1.
    Did anyone saw it...I dunno how to put it here leh!!
    so what happened?? the r1 was faster? or the gixxer? stock on stock the gixxer will always be faster than the r1... on straights.. out of the turns.. but otherwise the 954 and 02 r1 will be easier to ride fast...

    anyway i aint sure about Desmonds surname, but to those here who dont know who he is... i think he holds a certain track record on PG at some time for fastest national rider or something... anyhow, he is/was a racer... and his sps is quite done up...
    G1 chasing after 99 R1 with Akrapovic...They challenge on roll on at 6 gear...and oso twice trying top speed from 2 or third gear I think...

    G1 just got no chance to overtake that Akrapovic R1. Coolz siah!!
    hahahahah eh send me the pic can??? this joke i gotta see...

    gsxr1000k1 cannot win a r1 with akrapovic end can on 6th gear roll ons and top speed?? hahahahah quick u joking or wat??
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    I was amazed by the clips too. The 99 R1 gear ratio is different with 2000.
    Dun be surprise.

    I know you are riding G1...relax lah..I ridden my fren G1 oso...strong pulling bike...
    I dunno how to put the clip here leh...or else I will put it in...Nice Clip
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    I was amazed by the clips too. The 99 R1 gear ratio is different with 2000.
    Dun be surprise.

    I know you are riding G1...relax lah..I ridden my fren G1 oso...strong pulling bike...
    I dunno how to put the clip here leh...or else I will put it in...Nice Clip
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    this bike looks fierce. i was taken aback by the appearance. esp by the twin pipes.
    Here's an interesting fact to note : all V-twins need two exhausts. It has something to do with a V-twin's cylinder firing order (large intervals between each bang). Inline 4s can get away with a 4-2-1 because the engine fires the 4 cylinders in close succession, creating a constant scavenging effect within the exhaust pipe.

    Because of a v-twin's firing order is far apart (made possible by the V layout's natural ability to cancel out vibration), it gives it a 'big-bang' effect much like a large cc single engine. This is what gives a V-twin its torque and excellent traction. But the downside is, to get more power you need more cylinders - it's as simple as that. V-twins are stuck with just 2 cylinders, which is why can't rev that high but they make up for it by making the bulk of their power way down the rev range.

    If you've ever wondered why WSB races limits inline 4 capacity to 750 but 1000cc for V-twins... well, now you know.

    I'm not sure how this rule applies to V4s (the best of both worlds) like the RC51 though... hmm...

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    I was amazed by the clips too. The 99 R1 gear ratio is different with 2000.
    Dun be surprise.

    I know you are riding G1...relax lah..I ridden my fren G1 oso...strong pulling bike...
    I dunno how to put the clip here leh...or else I will put it in...Nice Clip
    both r great machine....

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    the horsepower of R1 is lower than G1. even with aka tail (probably with full exhuast system) can only reach the horsepower of a stock G1. no way the gixxer lose to R1.

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    I got a video clip of GSXR1000K chasing a determine 99' R1.
    Did anyone saw it...I dunno how to put it here leh!!
    so what happened?? the r1 was faster? or the gixxer? stock on stock the gixxer will always be faster than the r1... on straights.. out of the turns.. but otherwise the 954 and 02 r1 will be easier to ride fast...

    anyway i aint sure about Desmonds surname, but to those here who dont know who he is... i think he holds a certain track record on PG at some time for fastest national rider or something... anyhow, he is/was a racer... and his sps is quite done up...
    G1 chasing after 99 R1 with Akrapovic...They challenge on roll on at 6 gear...and oso twice trying top speed from 2 or third gear I think...

    G1 just got no chance to overtake that Akrapovic R1. Coolz siah!!
    I think I saw a similar clip but a different version, the R1 trying hard to catch up with the G1. The gap is abt 3 or 4 car length. The G1 slow down twice for the R1 to catch up then it speed off again. I think the G1 rider really piss off the R1 rider.
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    I am using one.. TL1000R.. Very torque.. 1st gear can hit 100kmh..second somewhere around 160-170kmh... Find it very hard to keep it grounded to the road..during hard acceleration...
    my bikes fuel consumption 1L: 16km
    Pros: Powerfull.. i smoke out R1 and Blackbird d other day... with ease..
    Cons: Damn hot under cradle.. it will boil ur eggs ...Trust me.. Thinking bout something to block the heat(maybe pasting carbonfibre ? i dunno) It has a nick name in U.S--> Widow Maker hence the resale value is very low...
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    Pros: Powerfull.. i smoke out R1 and Blackbird d other day... with ease..
    Cons: Damn hot under cradle.. it will boil ur eggs ...Trust me..
    Blackbird i believe... R1? The guy nv play wif u izit?
    With ease? R1 pick up to 100km/h in less than 3 seconds... With ease meaning u can do it in 1 or 2 seconds? Than u oso faster than G1 liao...

    Sorry but i dun really believe cuz if its such a powerful bike, it wont be selling at 7K with no takers...

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    whats the diff TLR and TLS??
    i love onli d V twins
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    whats the diff TLR and TLS??
    i love onli d V twins
    TLR is suzuki's attempt to participate in the WSB race ver bike..

    TLS is the nake vers of the TLR bike..

     

     
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    Blackbird i believe... R1? The guy nv play wif u izit?
    With ease? R1 pick up to 100km/h in less than 3 seconds... With ease meaning u can do it in 1 or 2 seconds? Than u oso faster than G1 liao...

    Sorry but i dun really believe cuz if its such a powerful bike, it wont be selling at 7K with no takers...
    Guess the bad pt is the heat and weight. Tat's why its value is very low.
    I wont dare to say it will smoke R1 but there's a fight i tink. Depends on rider's skill oso. Powerful bike but hand to a newbie is as good as nothing.

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    Blackbird i believe... R1? The guy nv play wif u izit?
    With ease? R1 pick up to 100km/h in less than 3 seconds... With ease meaning u can do it in 1 or 2 seconds? Than u oso faster than G1 liao...

    Sorry but i dun really believe cuz if its such a powerful bike, it wont be selling at 7K with no takers...
    Guess the bad pt is the heat and weight. Tat's why its value is very low.
    I wont dare to say it will smoke R1 but there's a fight i tink. Depends on rider's skill oso. Powerful bike but hand to a newbie is as good as nothing.

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    v-twin need 2 exhaust pipes?? if i am not wrong...rvf and african-twin both oso v-twin engine right?? but onli 1 exhaust leh...

    RVF is not a V-Twin bike
    its a V-4 bike

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    v-twin need 2 exhaust pipes?? if i am not wrong...rvf and african-twin both oso v-twin engine right?? but onli 1 exhaust leh...
    true...but do u know the RVF is intended to breathe better when it has 2 mufflers?
    i've seen this mod on some website of UK or japan.

    if u see the RVF engine...2 extractor from the 1st two cylinders routs out to the rear...combine with the two extractors from the Rear Two cylinders to become one exhaust muffler.

    ideally...the front and rear set of extractors should each have its own muffler to help flow exhaust more freely.

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    I am riding a TLR now. Very powerful indeed. i don't have to accelerate hard or do anything funny when starting off at a traffic light, and yet i am already able to beat all the other bikes and cars by a huge distance..no joking!

    pick-up for this bike is extremely fast. gear 2 can only be reached at about 40 to 50kmh, otherwise you can feel the engine dying off like that.

    Bike definitely can hit 280kmh without a problem. As for the heat problem mentioned by someone earilier. This is solved in my bike. All i did was bring to the repair shop, they added a switch to control the fans. the fans can now be switched on at will, and not only turned on at 105FI as designed for cool climate.

    Anyway, I am hoping to sell off my TLR. My dad bought a car. I am sharing the cost of it with him for the car. As my dad has retired and seldom go out, the car is practically mine. Because of that, my TLR has been collecting dust and soot at my carpark manz!!...haha

    Anybody interested can PM me. Its COE is till 2011, very low milage at aroung 45k. Extremely good condition as i look after real well. FU plate. Looking at around 10k.

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    any commenets from TLR riders?
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    Originally posted by "shoei"
    any commenets from TLR riders?
    for interested guys in the TLR, you can go to www.tlplanet.com or www.tl1000.com for information and discussion pertaining to the TLR or TLS. These sites are very helpful and informative for the TLR.

    As far as I'm concerned,I find that the TLR is not as terrible as what others say. I'm riding one and I find that the weight issue is subjective. Rode a VTR before also and sit on a Duc also. Weight is about the same for all. V-twins are generally "heavy" as what some people would say as compared to IL4.

    Generally, getting a V-twin is a very personal choice. You get a V-twin bcos you like V-twin engine. Talking about V-twin engine, its difference compared with the IL4 is probably,the sound,the feel and the handling.
    As for the heat that mentioned, yes its very hot. try to plan your jounery. Dun get caught in a jam, its very irritating. Possible solutions are use better coolant and engine oil. It will help to keep the temp increment to go slower. And you will appreciate that when it comes to a jam.

    Sound wise, its very subjective. IL4 gives a very smooth and regular sound,but V-twin gives a very bassful and throbbing sound. Wanna know how a V-twin sounds? Listen to a Duc or watch the Matrix reloaded. That is a sound of a V-twin.

    As for the feel, V-twin generally has a shorter power range as compared to IL4. Power comes after 4k rpm and will reach its peak at 8k rpm approx. (max is 10k rpm before hit redline) Compare to IL4, that is very different. Thus due to the short power range, the V-twin is always deemed to be better when pulling out of corners. Bcos, you will use a shorter time to reach the max. torque of the bike compared to IL4. But when in a long straight, of cos IL4 is more dominant. Since revving high is all about it when it comes to a straight. IL4 will beat the V-twin when a V-twin reaches its max. torque but the IL4 will still have somemore rpm to go.

    Handling, personally, I find that the V-twin is more forgiving than a IL4. Its power is more predictive. Hence, can say its gives more confidence to new open-class sportsbike riders.

    To enjoy the V-twin, one must really understand what it is like. If you complain about the heat. Or why the engine doesnt sound as smooth, or why you can't beat the IL4 on the straight and why it is not as quiet as a IL4, then don't get the V-twin.You'll regret it. Else, you will really enjoy the TLR. As one, its cheap. After buying, you will have additional cash to buy accessories to build up the bike. Throw in a Ohlins, and some Yoshs. The bike will surely be an instrument for the eye whenever you go.

    Well, if anyone needs more information about this bike, can always go to the sites I mentioned and ask the people there. Cos they are afterall riding so much longer on the bike than I did. But you can also feel free to post any queries here.

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    Anybody riding this bike? Care to comment?

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    Originally posted by HONG@Sep 10 2003, 03:20 AM
    v-twin need 2 exhaust pipes?? if i am not wrong...rvf and african-twin both oso v-twin engine right?? but onli 1 exhaust leh...

    RVF is not a V-Twin bike
    its a V-4 bike
    v-twin need 2 exhaust pipes?? if i am not wrong...rvf and african-twin both oso v-twin engine right?? but onli 1 exhaust leh...

    RVF is not a V-Twin bike
    its a V-4 bike

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    Originally posted by GSX-R@Jan 31 2004, 05:01 PM
    v-twin need 2 exhaust pipes?? if i am not wrong...rvf and african-twin both oso v-twin engine right?? but onli 1 exhaust leh...

    RVF is not a V-Twin bike
    its a V-4 bike
    Why quote and type the same thing?????????????????????????
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    My First CL2 is a TLR and coincidentaly its my first sportbike. Been with it since aug03. Bought it due to killer looks and sex in cans bangin. Previously riding a S4 ver s. So u can guess the huge jump. Took Time to get use to the monster. But always find something new.

    Been to malacca once with the thing and no sweat(Pillion n luggadge), feels smooth(140kmhish).I think there is a certain amount of truth to VTWIN taking in petrol like its free but i beg to differ in somecase. To and Fro everyday WHACK IT When its safe or coast is clear. Cruise is SG at <4000rpm @6th Gear. MAnage to Hit 19-20km per lit.

    Well in the beginning when u have the spare Ponies, u tend to blow carbon but in times, its all about corners. After every attempt for bends, i do exit it with a smile.

    Well if i have more, will try to update.

    PS. Any TLR can comment on the rebound adjustment or close to that matter 3 areas to adjust????? email me or post or even call me really appreciate it

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    hi
    i just realised that this bike runs on DOHC&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
    double over-head cams&#33;&#33;
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    Originally posted by omnislash@Aug 29 2003, 09:22 AM

    Blackbird i believe... R1? The guy nv play wif u izit?
    With ease? R1 pick up to 100km/h in less than 3 seconds... With ease meaning u can do it in 1 or 2 seconds? Than u oso faster than G1 liao...

    Sorry but i dun really believe cuz if its such a powerful bike, it wont be selling at 7K with no takers...
    low cost coz not as popular ma....
    then wat abt zxr400? is that i lousy bike? also not many ppl like....y? coz not popular ma...
    for mi my personal fav cl2 bike is tl1000r but no new ones liao.....sad.....

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    Erm, newbie question...
    The pipes is kinda high. any way to mod it to make it lower like most normal bikes?

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    Originally posted by WildCard@Feb 3 2004, 04:43 PM
    Erm, newbie question...
    The pipes is kinda high. any way to mod it to make it lower like most normal bikes?
    i think no one will want to do tat...
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    Originally posted by WildCard@Feb 3 2004, 04:43 PM
    Erm, newbie question...
    The pipes is kinda high. any way to mod it to make it lower like most normal bikes?
    I think that a Plus point of the bike. Look very nice with these high mounted pipe.
    The changes to the moulding point will also affect the power delivery, i think.

    If seriously wan to bring it down, i think it surely can be done. extra bracket, new special make exhaust link etc..

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    Originally posted by luN@Feb 4 2004, 02:34 AM
    I think that a Plus point of the bike. Look very nice with these high mounted pipe.
    The changes to the moulding point will also affect the power delivery, i think.

    If seriously wan to bring it down, i think it surely can be done. extra bracket, new special make exhaust link etc..
    Yeah, it is a unique design. Just worried for my pillion though. Kinda uncomfortable for her...

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    Originally posted by WildCard@Feb 4 2004, 08:52 AM
    Yeah, it is a unique design. Just worried for my pillion though. Kinda uncomfortable for her...
    then get a TL1000s , it&#39;s the naked version of this sportsbike, and the thing that u concerned abt, the pipes are not as high as TL1000R..

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    Originally posted by Bunta@Feb 4 2004, 12:28 PM
    then get a TL1000s , it&#39;s the naked version of this sportsbike, and the thing that u concerned abt, the pipes are not as high as TL1000R..
    hahaha&#33; nah. Still prefer a fairing sports like the TLR. A bit choosy, ain&#39;t I? hahahah

    hmmm.... maybe will ask around lah...

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