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    i am wondering y some cars can installed HID and it is legal, y can't bike install as well. They always want bike to on headlight as long as u are riding even in a bright and hot afternoon because they think that other car can spot u with ur headlight on. Y cant we install HID so they can see us better in the night or day
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblood View Post
    i am wondering y some cars can installed HID and it is legal, y can't bike install as well. They always want bike to on headlight as long as u are riding even in a bright and hot afternoon because they think that other car can spot u with ur headlight on. Y cant we install HID so they can see us better in the night or day
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    I think cars are allowed to run HID lights only if they are fitted at the factory as OEM parts. Retrofitting a non-HID car with aftermarket HID items is not legal.
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    than i guess bike should also come as OEM HID as a safetly measure
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    In order for a HID to be legal, you need to have a HID headlight. These headlight comes with an auto leveling device (motorsied) so that even when the car are loaded at the rear, the headlight will auto adjust downwards to prevent the light beam from shining upward. The reflector uses in the HID headlight also prevent unneccassary glaring. Usually these HID headlight comes STOCK with cars. You can convert your non-HID headlights to HID provided you can get the neccessary HID headlight for your car. For example you are driving a Honda Civic with halogen headlight and you know there is a HID equiped Civic model available. You can go enquire from Kah Motor what is the neccessary parts needed to convert your Civic into HID compatible headlight. Then just go LTA for approval like how you approve aftermarket exhaust.

    Such headlight is still not available for bike. That why HID will never be legal for bike. Cause it cannot fufill the 2 conditions stated earlier. The closest is the adaptive headlight from BMW Motorcycle. It will auto adjust left right during cornering but don't know about up down. But doubt the reflector is built to handle HID galre issue.

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    cars tt come with hid, have projector headlights lah. if you have projector headlight on your bike den go ahead. if not, you will be just like those inconsiderate drivers tt have hid installed on reflector headlight. damn irritating

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuaXum View Post
    cars tt come with hid, have projector headlights lah. if you have projector headlight on your bike den go ahead. if not, you will be just like those inconsiderate drivers tt have hid installed on reflector headlight. damn irritating
    There are also different type projector. If you put HID into a projector meant for Halogen which found on bike, the result maybe undesirable. Most of the time too glaring.

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    To Ts,

    To answer your question better, the main reason is the glaring issue. Yes, other drivers may see you as your light is bright enough to capture their attention but at the same time, you are potentially blinding the driver at the on coming traffic. This way, you may indirectly cause an accident which you may not be aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinwei View Post
    To Ts,

    To answer your question better, the main reason is the glaring issue. Yes, other drivers may see you as your light is bright enough to capture their attention but at the same time, you are potentially blinding the driver at the on coming traffic. This way, you may indirectly cause an accident which you may not be aware of.
    understood, but sometime some biker like me go in malaysia quite often and it sux using OEM headlight. hopefully 1 day thy will install HID OEM for us..haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblood View Post
    understood, but sometime some biker like me go in malaysia quite often and it sux using OEM headlight. hopefully 1 day thy will install HID OEM for us..haha
    You can take chances by installing the HID on your bike. Some of them fixed it on the high beam so that they only on it when needed. Otherwise you will use the Halogen lo beam most of the time and stay street legal. For me, I fixed it on my lo beam. Somehow my bike's headlight have minimal glaring issue so I'm comfortable using HID as my normal driving light all the time. I noticed '08 CBR 1000 is also okay.

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    can Honda Wave install a HID headlight?
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    stick with HIR la, brighter but not as glaring.

    or osram nightbreak, philips diamond vision etc. the more brighter, high powered bulbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblood View Post
    understood, but sometime some biker like me go in malaysia quite often and it sux using OEM headlight. hopefully 1 day thy will install HID OEM for us..haha
    Could suck even more with HID. Esp 6K and above. Poorer contrast and the color didn't help me see better.
    Gives out more lumens, more noticeable, looks cool yes. But definitely doesn't help my night riding.

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    I like HID lights ... not sure if can install in 200 cc bikes ...


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    singapore legal is 5500k n below only i think...
    u can try OSRAM nitebreaker...halogen n brighter n shines further than OEM...NSHW ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanide14 View Post
    can Honda Wave install a HID headlight?
    u can give it a try. i installed HID on my Yamaha X1-R. too bad i cant adjust the height level of the bulb, so i seldom use it as it's too glaring for other road users

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    on my gen1 busa . its sure is glaring

    Had install on my high beam instead as using projector headlamp. Better.
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    As earlier mentioned for cars its only legal if they have auto leveling function.

    How ever from some experience i would share tht anything more than 4300k (the normal stock yellow colour) only looks cool. But not much of use. When it rain even 5000k won't reflect much of a wet surface.
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    Singapore so bright, use HID for what? Go Msia and onwards different la.

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    You want to know the technical answer?



    Because bikes LEAN. When it is tilted, even a projector lens will shoot the beam beyond horizontal level and cause glare to oncoming vehicles. Cars do not lean, therefore when used with a projector and HID, the light is kept below the horizontal line and does not cause glare to other users. Except when approaching a crest on the road, which some high end cars have auto leveling projectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyblood View Post
    i am wondering y some cars can installed HID and it is legal, y can't bike install as well. They always want bike to on headlight as long as u are riding even in a bright and hot afternoon because they think that other car can spot u with ur headlight on. Y cant we install HID so they can see us better in the night or day
    The laws are there for a reason. For the safety of all road users.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster_G View Post
    The laws are there for a reason. For the safety of all road users.
    not exactly when some of the laws are crap and simply there is cover liability on government's part.

    like e-approved exhaust which is street legal under EU terms, but illegal under laws of LTA cause not certified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster_G View Post
    The laws are there for a reason. For the safety of all road users.
    Must realise something, textbook explanation and reality are two different things. Cars with HID are glaring on my side mirrors, very hard to judge distance, check blind spot, HID blinds me but they are legal. Logic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aRcHeR View Post
    not exactly when some of the laws are crap and simply there is cover liability on government's part.

    like e-approved exhaust which is street legal under EU terms, but illegal under laws of LTA cause not certified.

    SNELL or DOT approved arai/shoei helmets but w/o PSB stickers are 'illegal', but cheapo LAB helmets w/ PSB stickers are legal and safe..
    Simple. Ah boy helmets pay money to gahment so of course legal. Arai and shoei and most top end helmet does not want tobpay additional money to gahment. So gahment says u dont pay to me.... Its illegal for singapore lah....
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    HID is good although i don't have it on my bike. i think if i have it cars would be able to see me. especially those who likes to turn out although they see me coming fast.

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    now not hid liao......stupid cars, put purple and funny funny lights..dam..if only my exhaust has the squid black liquid..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinwei View Post
    In order for a HID to be legal, you need to have a HID headlight. These headlight comes with an auto leveling device (motorsied) so that even when the car are loaded at the rear, the headlight will auto adjust downwards to prevent the light beam from shining upward. The reflector uses in the HID headlight also prevent unneccassary glaring. Usually these HID headlight comes STOCK with cars. You can convert your non-HID headlights to HID provided you can get the neccessary HID headlight for your car. For example you are driving a Honda Civic with halogen headlight and you know there is a HID equiped Civic model available. You can go enquire from Kah Motor what is the neccessary parts needed to convert your Civic into HID compatible headlight. Then just go LTA for approval like how you approve aftermarket exhaust.

    Such headlight is still not available for bike. That why HID will never be legal for bike. Cause it cannot fufill the 2 conditions stated earlier. The closest is the adaptive headlight from BMW Motorcycle. It will auto adjust left right during cornering but don't know about up down. But doubt the reflector is built to handle HID galre issue.
    To add on 1 more item.
    There is another criteria for car as well.
    High pressure jet to wash the headlamp everytime when the headlight is activated.
    If you can see those high end conti car, there is a cap like thingy below headlamp. Those will open and shoot jet up to 2bar of pressure to clean headlight.
    This is to prevent glare if particles get trap there and the light gets to throw random directions.

    Aftermarket bulbs are much better choice with respect to the authority.
    Eg => Osram nightbreaker, Philips extreme vision. - all using original rating of 55w/60w or 60w. Using technology to improve throw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aRcHeR View Post
    not exactly when some of the laws are crap and simply there is cover liability on government's part.

    like e-approved exhaust which is street legal under EU terms, but illegal under laws of LTA cause not certified.

    SNELL or DOT approved arai/shoei helmets but w/o PSB stickers are 'illegal', but cheapo LAB helmets w/ PSB stickers are legal and safe..

    Boss,

    LTA follows anything from ECE & JIS.... >DOT AND SNELL.... too cheem for them.
    The other thing pointed out is .. yes.. nvr pay $$ go for "PSB inspection" Thats why....
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    Umm...if i recall correctly some BMW bikes can be optioned with HID headlights, but perhaps not locally. My MV comes stock with a HID headlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myxilplix View Post
    Umm...if i recall correctly some BMW bikes can be optioned with HID headlights, but perhaps not locally. My MV comes stock with a HID headlight.
    Yup the K1600 GT.
    And the upcoming Duc 1199 will be coming with all LED headlights.

    It's all about what comes OEM stock. If your bike came with candles and mirrors in the head fairings for illumination, that'll be legal too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anodise57 View Post
    To add on 1 more item.
    There is another criteria for car as well.
    High pressure jet to wash the headlamp everytime when the headlight is activated.
    If you can see those high end conti car, there is a cap like thingy below headlamp. Those will open and shoot jet up to 2bar of pressure to clean headlight.
    This is to prevent glare if particles get trap there and the light gets to throw random directions.
    Last time volvo got headlight wipers... remember?
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    if one day 90% of the poulation got retina damage, i think u will noe wat is the problem with HID lamp.
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    The reason is our Beloved Government wishes for that to happen. If our government says that its ok for bikes to install HIDs, then nobody can say NO.
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    So.. is it still illegal to install HID light? :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerwenhao View Post
    So.. is it still illegal to install HID light? :/

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