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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    Suzuki impulse 400. wet clutch. Just started for 2 weeks, about 600km.
    Ratio of cooking oil : engine oil is 1:2? How is the performance like?

    I've read research papers that pure palm oil is suitable to be used as engine oil because it performs like synthetic oil, but the thing is, i could never find any proof with regards to using it on a vehicle with a wet clutch.

    Any clutch slippages, any smell of KFC or exhaust emissions or anything? Is the oil considered too light? Does it mix well with regular engine oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    go ahead...and enjoy the ride...
    and have a big smile..when it is time for a overhaul..
    I was threatened with the same 'overhaul' statement when I did research into vehicle handling & performance and started various DIY projects last year.

    Apparently the test machine that is 'due for overhaul' is now outperforming stock bikes of the same model by so much of a big margin in performance, fuel economy and reliability that a lot of people have done similar improvements to their own bikes.

    They don't really care for the performance but what they want is this:

    DECREASED ENGINE WEAR TO MAKE THE BIKE LAST LONGER POST COE RENEWAL.

    Threatening people of impending overhaul is like telling people to buy Volvos otherwise crash sure die one, without discussing other more obvious and effective road safety solutions. Infact this sort of 'rule by fear' statements is only effective in degrading peoples' understanding of motor vehicle technology, in order to increase motorists' vulnerability to false advertising.

    We all know what are 'snake oil products' by now (you know, those 'install my device or your chain snaps later' type of marketing) and we don't have to live in fear of them.

    Not in this century, when five seconds of research is enough to make a conclusion that there are better ways to discuss risk management in this topic than referencing automotive disasters from decades ago and then making sarcastic statements towards those discussing the matter when their own ill intentions are exposed.

    For all we know, the person behind the 'premature overhaul' threats is overhauling his own engine on a regular basis. Maybe he should try some of the many good well presented ideas posted free on the forums and use them to solve his own problems, instead of trying to discredit the contributors and steal their ideas for commercial gain.



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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydj View Post
    Ratio of cooking oil : engine oil is 1:2? How is the performance like?

    I've read research papers that pure palm oil is suitable to be used as engine oil because it performs like synthetic oil, but the thing is, i could never find any proof with regards to using it on a vehicle with a wet clutch.

    Any clutch slippages, any smell of KFC or exhaust emissions or anything? Is the oil considered too light? Does it mix well with regular engine oil?
    For technical details, please refer to my thread: http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums...=1#post6591070

    No clutch slippage and no special smell encountered so far.
    The oil is said to be as light as 0w oil.
    So for car it can be used directly but for motorbike it's recommended to mix with heavier engine oil/oil treatment to further lubricating gear/clutch.
    Last edited by byte77; 01-05-2011 at 06:18 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    For technical details, please refer to my thread: http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums...=1#post6591070

    No clutch slippage and no special smell encountered so far.
    The oil is said to be as light as 0w oil.
    So for car it can be used directly but for motorbike it's recommended to mix with heavier engine oil/oil treatment to further lubricating gear/clutch.
    I've read this last year but there is nowhere it states regarding the performance with the use of wet clutches... Oh well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    Yes you are right.
    Metal_Heart's clever dad might just add 2T like he did before to the 2T bike without measuring ratio and resulted in wet plug and carbon deposit.
    The correct petrol:2T ratio should be from 500:1 to 1000:1, maximum 2ml of 2T for every 1 litre petrol.
    Always add the number of 2ml of 2T according to the number of litres of petrol pumped.
    That sarcasm was uncalled for. He did this for years till it broke down. He added the correct ratio, end of the day 2T is still designed for 2 stroke engines. I have spoken on what I heard. You want to try go ahead. To me really not worth the minute increase in smoothness you feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metal_Heart View Post
    That sarcasm was uncalled for. He did this for years till it broke down. He added the correct ratio, end of the day 2T is still designed for 2 stroke engines. I have spoken on what I heard. You want to try go ahead. To me really not worth the minute increase in smoothness you feel.
    The 2T oil used should be of the JASO FC grade or higher with low ash feature such as cashtrol activa 2T, castrol power1 2T, mobil extra 2T, Pennzoil TC-W3, etc.
    Using those cheapo 2T oil might be a mistake.
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    Tried it today drop by Ah boy and get myself the Putoline Rs 959, immediately the bike felt more powerful.
    http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?...&hl=2T*&st=250
    Lots of car owner tried it and reported positive results......
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    I am starting to get feelings of temptation whenever I look at a seductively cheap bottle of 2T.

    I will probably get one bottle for trials just so I can attract more "put already engine sure overhaul one" comments and prove them all wrong

    How much 2T do you put in the tank? Using primary school maths, I need 330ml for 10 litre fuel tank if I want a 30:1 (3.33%) ratio, or 250ml for a 40:1 (2.5%) ratio. That sounds like a LOT of 2T. Too much, I think.

    Dropping the ratio down to 0.5% = 50ml. Try 50ml first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora's Kitten :3 View Post
    I am starting to get feelings of temptation whenever I look at a seductively cheap bottle of 2T.

    I will probably get one bottle for trials just so I can attract more "put already engine sure overhaul one" comments and prove them all wrong

    How much 2T do you put in the tank? Using primary school maths, I need 330ml for 10 litre fuel tank if I want a 30:1 (3.33%) ratio, or 250ml for a 40:1 (2.5%) ratio. That sounds like a LOT of 2T. Too much, I think.

    Dropping the ratio down to 0.5% = 50ml. Try 50ml first
    Mixing 2T with our petrol as its function as lubricant to our piston.However, 2 stroke bikes combust 2T oil and fuel and I wonder if it will interfere with the 4T oil which is lubricating our piston too??

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    In my opinion, 2-stroke oil is not as combustible as petrol. Anyway, in order to get complete combustion, you will only get carbon dioxide and water.

    However, the world being imperfect as it is, this is almost never achieved. So even with petrol, you will still end up with carbon monoxide and unburnt carbon atoms. So if you add 2-stroke oil into the equation( which is not as combustible as petrol), you will end up with more impurities, leading to a higher risk of your engine system (carb, exhaust etc) being clogged up with all of the impurities.

    Any comments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydj View Post
    In my opinion, 2-stroke oil is not as combustible as petrol. Anyway, in order to get complete combustion, you will only get carbon dioxide and water.

    However, the world being imperfect as it is, this is almost never achieved. So even with petrol, you will still end up with carbon monoxide and unburnt carbon atoms. So if you add 2-stroke oil into the equation( which is not as combustible as petrol), you will end up with more impurities, leading to a higher risk of your engine system (carb, exhaust etc) being clogged up with all of the impurities.

    Any comments?
    Can minimise if use stronger sparkplugs? Like Nology silver and hotwire?

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehuty View Post
    Can minimise if use stronger sparkplugs? Like Nology silver and hotwire?
    You MAY minimise it by using stronger spark plugs, but no matter how good the spark plugs are, you will never achieve the best configuration like you would with normal high octane petrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora's Kitten :3 View Post
    I am starting to get feelings of temptation whenever I look at a seductively cheap bottle of 2T.

    I will probably get one bottle for trials just so I can attract more "put already engine sure overhaul one" comments and prove them all wrong

    How much 2T do you put in the tank? Using primary school maths, I need 330ml for 10 litre fuel tank if I want a 30:1 (3.33%) ratio, or 250ml for a 40:1 (2.5%) ratio. That sounds like a LOT of 2T. Too much, I think.

    Dropping the ratio down to 0.5% = 50ml. Try 50ml first

    The recommended ratio is no more than 1:500, i.e. 2ml 2T per L petrol
    30:1 or 40:1 ratio are meant for 2T bikes, not for 4T bike.
    If you put too much, either u may find it slightly harder to start the bike at next morning, or the engine get hotter when cruising.
    Though so far, I have no problem to start the bike in the morning in one crank only.

    My wife asked why the exhaust pipe getting hotter recently.
    It is because 2T oil results in better combustion and higher temp I guess.
    I can't live without 2T oil nowadays, getting used to the smoothness, responsiveness and quieter engine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydj View Post
    In my opinion, 2-stroke oil is not as combustible as petrol. Anyway, in order to get complete combustion, you will only get carbon dioxide and water.

    However, the world being imperfect as it is, this is almost never achieved. So even with petrol, you will still end up with carbon monoxide and unburnt carbon atoms. So if you add 2-stroke oil into the equation( which is not as combustible as petrol), you will end up with more impurities, leading to a higher risk of your engine system (carb, exhaust etc) being clogged up with all of the impurities.

    Any comments?
    0.2% 2T only, what carbon deposit it will leave?
    It is meant to lubricate and burn, and for a higher 2T: petrol ratio of 1:30 in 2T bikes, we seldom hear 2T biker complains engine clogged up by carbon, only the exhaust maybe depends on how they ride. For 4T bike we use a mere 1:500 , 16 times much smaller ratio.
    Furthermore, those angmo who put more 2T into high pressure diesel with 0.5% 2T report cleaner diesel engine and lesser emission.

    Both quality and quantity of 2T oil matter.
    Quality -> must be low ash, reducing smoke, JASO-FC or above grade.
    Quantity -> not more than 2ml 2T oil per L petrol.
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    http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878...troke&start=15

    yamaha-fan:

    "if we speak of 2-stroke oil to be added to the diesel fuel it MUST be a 2-stroke oil of low ash content, such as Liqui Moly No. 1052 (1 liter bottle) or Meguin semi synthetic. NEVER use fully synthetic 2-stroke oil, besides the cost). Once diesel and 2-stroke oil have chemically compounded, you cannot seperate them again.
    2-stroke oil will increase the OZ-value (Oktan, octane) of diesel oil by 3 to 5 points (OZ=x*OZ("2-T oil) + (1-x)* OZ (diesel fuel)). 2-stroke oil does not contain any Zinc-components, and metal-organic additives are virtually absent. This is the main reason why 2-stroke oil burnes cleaner than diesel oil.
    You can (theoretically) run a diesel engine with 100% 2-stroke oil with no harm. Behind closed doors tests of reputed car manufacturers have shown that a dosis of 1:200 is the quantitiy of 2-stroke oil to be added to the diesel fuel to achieve the wanted results. I have personally witnessed the running in of re-build/repaired diesel engines with a dosis of 1 litre of 2-stroke oil in the fuel to be mechanically on the safe side."

    "Hello Defkalion,
    you may have noticed that I am very interested in oils and its derivates as long as this relates to cars.
    I am not a chemist or engineer, only a lawyer who works mostly for the car and oil industry, and in this capacitiy I hear, read and negotiate many technical issues. I have specialized in international contracting and its applicable laws incl. warranty and guarantee issues.
    To come back to your question: a clear YES!
    You can improve the negative impacts of burning minor fuel (diesel) by adding 2-stroke oil (2T oil), thereby increasing the Oktan(octane) value by 3-5 points, and reducing the soot to a very large extent (in the range of 50%). Our TD4 diesel engines do have a turbo loader driven by the diesel exhaust fumes. Such fumes do contain soot and mineral particles. Such soot will (also) deposit on the turbo-blades and its bearings and slowly, slowly reduce its function. You can delay this considerably by adding 2T-oil to the diesel, which will reduce the soot deposit considerably. Mercedes in its engine research centre have conducted extensive tests with extremely positive results. As per my information, such tests have not been conducted to prove the capabilities of 2T-oil but to test various alloys with regard to mechanical stability under high pressure, rotation and heat. One of such test has been conducted with the addition of 2T-oil, and the turbo blades came out of this test virtually clean.
    Two of our Technical Universities have recognised, among others, the positive impact on air pollution by adding 2T-oil to the diesel fuel and their research work is in progress."


    "One of my friends is a judge in a High Court and he drives only cars with diesel engines. After some problems with his injection pumps I advised him to use 2-T oil, which he has heard, but -as most of this forum members- he has been reluctant to do for legal reasons.
    After I have shown him the Mercedes DVD as documentation of the Paris-Beijing marathon, and after he has listened to the explanation of adding 2-T oil to all cars for reliability reasons, he wanted to know details.
    I have handed over to him my car keys and encouraged him to start and drive my car in comparison to his Mercedes. What he immediately noticed was the absence of diesel-engine hammering when cold, and the quietness of the engine in general in comparison to his engine. So guess what he does now! And he regrets that he did not do this much earlier."


    http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878...roke&start=600

    kaanage:

    "Since yamaha-fan and DiscoGeorge have been driven off, I'll add that in my (short) experience adding 2SO(2-Stroke Oil) @ 200:1 to my diesel, I haven't noticed any difference in running but my fuel consumption seems to have improved slightly (by about 5% so difficult to tell). My car is quite new, though, so maybe the effects aren't too obvious.

    On the other hand, a friend who has the same car, except that his has done over 80,000km and has a polyureathane gearbox mount, noticed almost immediate reduction in noise and vibration in his car after adding 2SO to his diesel. Whether it is the age or the gearbox mount that makes the improvement so noticable, I'm not sure but he now wishes he had started using 2SO from when he first purchased the car.

    Finally, my friend has tried various diesel additives in the past because they were recommended by local experts and has NEVER noticed any change in performance, smoke, noise, vibration or economy - 2SO is the ONLY additive that he has found to make any noticable difference to the running of his car.

    As an aside, it would seem that TC-W3 spec 2SO would be better than any of the JASO spec oils for DPF equipped cars since the TC-W3 spec for sulphated ash is < 0.01% vs <= 0.09% for JASO FD."

    DiscoGeorge:

    "Hi kaanage

    while I have stopped posting regular replies on this topic I still follow it with keen interest. It was very interesting to read your comments, as they very clearly show that you were writing them with a background of experience and not some hairy fairy pseudo academic waffling.

    I have recently changed the glow plugs on my 300Tdi (before the onset of winter) and they very clearly show the cleansing effect of 2sO(2-Stroke Oil).

    After a total of 265'000km and 58'000km in my hands, the absolute lack of carbon deposits on them (they haven't been working for at least 30'000km as they were burnt out) is ample proof ôf the cleaning benefits of 2sO (2 stroke oil)"




    http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/ad...opic37935.html

    "I did a lot of reasearch on 2 stroke oil in diesel engines.

    It seems our american cousins are already wise to the benefits of a drop of 2 stroke oil.

    Anyway the science is well proven , it burns more completely than diesel , reduces engine smoke to virtually nothing , cleans the combustion chamber , it appears to lubricate the egr valves to close more evenly.
    (I had a lazy egr valve one side but it's not lazy any more)

    You can buy 2 stroke oil cheap enough on ebay , from wilkinsons or b+q.

    I've used it for a few months now in my RRS and the wifes A4 tdi.
    Much quieter when cold ,much better throttle response . no smoke unless I drive like a test pilot when I get a light haze from the pipes instead of the smoke I used to get.The throttle response is thebig difference.
    It is more lively and the gearbox doesnt hunt up and down at all.

    just 300mL of 2 stroke oil in a full tank really does give you wings."
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    what a load of crap you have here...
    all hear say..
    for all those who want to believe all these posts ...keep on dreaming..

    where are hard facts....all i read is I..and more I's testimony...for all i know theses may be posts done decades ago ..
    if people here are convinced that this is the nirvana that you are looking for..get it tested to prove it.

    I literally hear the workshop people ...screaming get ready for overhauls...here comes another biker who literally run his bike to the workshop...

    conclusion...crap..ImHO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    what a load of crap you have here...
    all hear say..
    for all those who want to believe all these posts ...keep on dreaming..

    where are hard facts....all i read is I..and more I's testimony...for all i know theses may be posts done decades ago ..
    if people here are convinced that this is the nirvana that you are looking for..get it tested to prove it.

    I literally hear the workshop people ...screaming get ready for overhauls...here comes another biker who literally run his bike to the workshop...

    conclusion...crap..ImHO..
    Pls go to those forums and spray the craps on those crazy drivers.

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    I put some 2t into my tank to retard the light rusting going on.

    A little, mind you. Too much and it wont burn so well, leading to jerky acceleration and fouled spark plugs. I didnt notice any significant increase in performance, but my tank is slowly having the rust shear off. Another few weeks, hopefully the rust marks will be nothing more than oxidation marks.

    A possible reason why a few cars have significant increase in performance is because their worn piston seals have too much blow-by, and the 2t helped to create a better seal and reduce blow-by? Just a guess.

    If it work for some, it MIGHT work for you. Just dont put too much faith in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehuty View Post
    Can minimise if use stronger sparkplugs? Like Nology silver and hotwire?
    You may run the risk of overheating the cylinders. Try not to deviate too much from manufacturer reccomended plug ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    what a load of crap you have here...
    all hear say..
    for all those who want to believe all these posts ...keep on dreaming..

    where are hard facts....all i read is I..and more I's testimony...for all i know theses may be posts done decades ago ..
    if people here are convinced that this is the nirvana that you are looking for..get it tested to prove it.

    I literally hear the workshop people ...screaming get ready for overhauls...here comes another biker who literally run his bike to the workshop...

    conclusion...crap..ImHO..
    Let me try to repeat what you just said in a tactful manner.

    1. It's not good for you to have blind faith in miracle fixes

    2. Try it out first before recommending to others.

    3. You may run the risk of ruining your engines.

    4. I personally do not believe in this fix.

    There we go, isn't it a nicer way to put your opinions across?
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydj View Post
    Ratio of cooking oil : engine oil is 1:2? How is the performance like?

    I've read research papers that pure palm oil is suitable to be used as engine oil because it performs like synthetic oil, but the thing is, i could never find any proof with regards to using it on a vehicle with a wet clutch.

    Any clutch slippages, any smell of KFC or exhaust emissions or anything? Is the oil considered too light? Does it mix well with regular engine oil?
    A guy riding an rxz puts palm oil into his tank, and he reports cleaner cylinders whenever he switches out his block and pistons.

    I think used cooking oil is better used to create biodiesel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    What I have started using is 1L of pure palm cooking oil + 2L of Motul 20W-50.
    I read that the quality of pure palm cooking oil is like 0W.
    So far so good.
    Pure palm oil is actually Olefin. That is one of the main componet for fully synthetic oil.

    SCientifically is viable. But 2 small problem.

    Sg don't really have much pure palm oil brand. But M'sia alot. Just check out the malaysia forums for the brand they use.
    usually ok. Read the labels and make sure no added peanut oil or other oil.

    Personal observation is that Giant and Cold storage seems to have more of these "pure" palm olefin cooking oil in stock than NTUC.

    Second problem. Pure olefin is no doubt one of the base for fully syn oil. cooking palm oil still lacks the foam dispersal additive, carbon cleaning additives, acid neutralising additives for TBN maintaing and particle suspending additive.

    Some M'sian vehicle owners actual use palm oil and engine oil additive. Seems to me the saving is marginal as engine oil additive is not really cheap.

    I feel, unless U are earning M'sia pay, paying m'sian engine oil price. Then the palm oil route is ok.

    For SG pay and lube oil price. It doesn't seems to make sense. Plus sg bike price is anytime higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878...troke&start=15

    yamaha-fan:

    "if we speak of 2-stroke oil to be added to the diesel fuel it MUST be a 2-stroke oil of low ash content, such as Liqui Moly No. 1052 (1 liter bottle) or Meguin semi synthetic. NEVER use fully synthetic 2-stroke oil, besides the cost). Once diesel and 2-stroke oil have chemically compounded, you cannot seperate them again.
    2-stroke oil will increase the OZ-value (Oktan, octane) of diesel oil by 3 to 5 points (OZ=x*OZ("2-T oil) + (1-x)* OZ (diesel fuel)). 2-stroke oil does not contain any Zinc-components, and metal-organic additives are virtually absent. This is the main reason why 2-stroke oil burnes cleaner than diesel oil.
    You can (theoretically) run a diesel engine with 100% 2-stroke oil with no harm. Behind closed doors tests of reputed car manufacturers have shown that a dosis of 1:200 is the quantitiy of 2-stroke oil to be added to the diesel fuel to achieve the wanted results. I have personally witnessed the running in of re-build/repaired diesel engines with a dosis of 1 litre of 2-stroke oil in the fuel to be mechanically on the safe side."

    "Hello Defkalion,
    you may have noticed that I am very interested in oils and its derivates as long as this relates to cars.
    I am not a chemist or engineer, only a lawyer who works mostly for the car and oil industry, and in this capacitiy I hear, read and negotiate many technical issues. I have specialized in international contracting and its applicable laws incl. warranty and guarantee issues.
    To come back to your question: a clear YES!
    You can improve the negative impacts of burning minor fuel (diesel) by adding 2-stroke oil (2T oil), thereby increasing the Oktan(octane) value by 3-5 points, and reducing the soot to a very large extent (in the range of 50%). Our TD4 diesel engines do have a turbo loader driven by the diesel exhaust fumes. Such fumes do contain soot and mineral particles. Such soot will (also) deposit on the turbo-blades and its bearings and slowly, slowly reduce its function. You can delay this considerably by adding 2T-oil to the diesel, which will reduce the soot deposit considerably. Mercedes in its engine research centre have conducted extensive tests with extremely positive results. As per my information, such tests have not been conducted to prove the capabilities of 2T-oil but to test various alloys with regard to mechanical stability under high pressure, rotation and heat. One of such test has been conducted with the addition of 2T-oil, and the turbo blades came out of this test virtually clean.
    Two of our Technical Universities have recognised, among others, the positive impact on air pollution by adding 2T-oil to the diesel fuel and their research work is in progress."


    "One of my friends is a judge in a High Court and he drives only cars with diesel engines. After some problems with his injection pumps I advised him to use 2-T oil, which he has heard, but -as most of this forum members- he has been reluctant to do for legal reasons.
    After I have shown him the Mercedes DVD as documentation of the Paris-Beijing marathon, and after he has listened to the explanation of adding 2-T oil to all cars for reliability reasons, he wanted to know details.
    I have handed over to him my car keys and encouraged him to start and drive my car in comparison to his Mercedes. What he immediately noticed was the absence of diesel-engine hammering when cold, and the quietness of the engine in general in comparison to his engine. So guess what he does now! And he regrets that he did not do this much earlier."


    http://www.freel2.com/forum/topic878...roke&start=600

    kaanage:

    "Since yamaha-fan and DiscoGeorge have been driven off, I'll add that in my (short) experience adding 2SO @ 200:1 to my diesel, I haven't noticed any difference in running but my fuel consumption seems to have improved slightly (by about 5% so difficult to tell). My car is quite new, though, so maybe the effects aren't too obvious.

    On the other hand, a friend who has the same car, except that his has done over 80,000km and has a polyureathane gearbox mount, noticed almost immediate reduction in noise and vibration in his car after adding 2SO to his diesel. Whether it is the age or the gearbox mount that makes the improvement so noticable, I'm not sure but he now wishes he had started using 2SO from when he first purchased the car.

    Finally, my friend has tried various diesel additives in the past because they were recommended by local experts and has NEVER noticed any change in performance, smoke, noise, vibration or economy - 2SO is the ONLY additive that he has found to make any noticable difference to the running of his car.

    As an aside, it would seem that TC-W3 spec 2SO would be better than any of the JASO spec oils for DPF equipped cars since the TC-W3 spec for sulphated ash is < 0.01% vs <= 0.09% for JASO FD."

    DiscoGeorge:

    "Hi kaanage

    while I have stopped posting regular replies on this topic I still follow it with keen interest. It was very interesting to read your comments, as they very clearly show that you were writing them with a background of experience and not some hairy fairy pseudo academic waffling.

    I have recently changed the glow plugs on my 300Tdi (before the onset of winter) and they very clearly show the cleansing effect of 2sO.

    After a total of 265'000km and 58'000km in my hands, the absolute lack of carbon deposits on them (they haven't been working for at least 30'000km as they were burnt out) is ample proof ôf the cleaning benefits of 2sO (2 stroke oil)"




    http://www.brick-yard.co.uk/forum/ad...opic37935.html

    "I did a lot of reasearch on 2 stroke oil in diesel engines.

    It seems our american cousins are already wise to the benefits of a drop of 2 stroke oil.

    Anyway the science is well proven , it burns more completely than diesel , reduces engine smoke to virtually nothing , cleans the combustion chamber , it appears to lubricate the egr valves to close more evenly.
    (I had a lazy egr valve one side but it's not lazy any more)

    You can buy 2 stroke oil cheap enough on ebay , from wilkinsons or b+q.

    I've used it for a few months now in my RRS and the wifes A4 tdi.
    Much quieter when cold ,much better throttle response . no smoke unless I drive like a test pilot when I get a light haze from the pipes instead of the smoke I used to get.The throttle response is thebig difference.
    It is more lively and the gearbox doesnt hunt up and down at all.

    just 300mL of 2 stroke oil in a full tank really does give you wings."
    Just being objective. I notice that all the example u quote is all diesel engine?

    Seems like all the example are about 2t oil in diesel engine.

    Do u have any example of using 2t oil in a 4 troke petrol engine?

    I sure will like some article for analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK COMET View Post
    Just being objective. I notice that all the example u quote is all diesel engine?

    Seems like all the example are about 2t oil in diesel engine.

    Do u have any example of using 2t oil in a 4 troke petrol engine?

    I sure will like some article for analysis.
    Check the #1 post. The feedbacks are all from petrol car driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BLACK COMET View Post
    Some M'sian vehicle owners actual use palm oil and engine oil additive. Seems to me the saving is marginal as engine oil additive is not really cheap.
    I use pure palm olein cooking oil as 0w engine oil.
    The price of 0w engine oil is much more expensive than cooking oil, isn't it?

    For car, because it has separate gearbox oil to lubricate the gear so car engine is ok to use very thin 0w palm oil. But motorbike engine oil needs to lubricate both engine and gearbox, esp for my older bike which prefers heavier oil, that's why i mix it with some 20w oil. Changed at JB at RM27x2 Motul EO + RM3 palm oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    we seldom hear 2T biker complains engine clogged up by carbon

    The design of a 2 stroker is totally different from a 4 stroker.

    Sorry ah guys, I am with ezzyoiler on this one. Although I don't see that you need to straight away overhaul your engine, but the way I see it is that

    1) You will end up with a bike with more decreased performance in the long run

    2) You might need to overhaul your engine earlier that it is supposed to be, depending on how much impurities are in the system.

    But one thing for sure is that your carb and fuel filter is gonna get so dirty, you are gonna get pissed. Haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    The recommended ratio is no more than 1:500, i.e. 2ml 2T per L petrol
    30:1 or 40:1 ratio are meant for 2T bikes, not for 4T bike.
    If you put too much, either u may find it slightly harder to start the bike at next morning, or the engine get hotter when cruising.
    Though so far, I have no problem to start the bike in the morning in one crank only.

    My wife asked why the exhaust pipe getting hotter recently.
    It is because 2T oil results in better combustion and higher temp I guess.
    I can't live without 2T oil nowadays, getting used to the smoothness, responsiveness and quieter engine.
    Exhaust pipe running hotter? Not sure if it's a good thing. Could be exhaust valve not closing properly due to carbon built up

    http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/arc.../t-648603.html

    Valve discipate heats via valve seat.

    The above link seems to have similar discussionm going on

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    For Myself.

    I was thinking along that line too.

    Until on old ex forumer explains to me scientifically why not to do it.

    Althou I am very tempted to try as I am very sensitive to engine sounds. But hold back until now.

    This is a intersting subject. But my personal opinion. ThinK I will take CrazyDJ and easy oiler side of theory.

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    There are a number of car owner took the route and come back with positive result. I tried it myself for the first tank not bad...
    I mean if those who pay tax more than 3x of their vehicle OMV dare to try, then why not.....
    There are also lots of snake oil that are self proclaim of tons of benefits....Why not 2T, as long as the ratio are kept to the minimum...
    Those with supersport and superbikes should not try as their fuel injectors have much smaller holes to ensure fuel atomization. These are highly tuned engines....
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    Quote Originally Posted by hachi View Post
    There are a number of car owner took the route and come back with positive result. I tried it myself for the first tank not bad...
    I mean if those who pay tax more than 3x of their vehicle OMV dare to try, then why not.....
    There are also lots of snake oil that are self proclaim of tons of benefits....Why not 2T, as long as the ratio are kept to the minimum...

    Tested.

    Results were very promising. On cold start, no more valve tapping could be heard. As the engine warmed up it became much more eager and more immediate/punchy in mid range torque delivery. Once on the highway I did a deliberate over-rev of 5th gear all the way up to 95kph.

    Wow, no vibrations at all. The slow traffic kept to the left so I was able to go all the way up to 120kph, maintaining a very high cruising speed all the way to work. The engine did not overheat or lose power due to overheating unlike normal bikes of the same make and model, and there was none of the usual 4-stroke vibration when pushed hard. It's just like running V-Power and feeling a bit of its "friction reduction" advertisement, just much, much better.

    At low speed, there is smoother and more eager power delivery and I am able to launch the bike at first gear at 2000RPM without the engine skipping a beat. Usually, you'll get that clack-clack-clack sound if you try and release the clutch without adding power. More fun crawling about on 1st and 2nd gear now.

    2T ratio used was 500:1 on a 4 stroke 200cc, carburetted with about 9:1 compression ratio with estimated cruise rpm of 6000-9000 on the highway (do not try on stock bike!!). Bike is your typical rust bucket from the early 2000s kept with minimal maintenance.

    All in all I am not concerned about reliability as I have done much worse things to this bike such as lean burning (46km/l FC), off roading, carrying heavy loads on dispatch and house moving, running-in beyond 10,000RPM etc, and this Honda engine seems to take it fine with no servicing, etc done. Just frequent oil changes.

    On the heat generation part, I had already made sure this bike runs happily on fully synthetic EO and done some stuff, tuning wise, to increase the rate of heat dissipation.

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    Good test. Which 2T brand do you use?
    My bike's high pitch aircraft charging sound has disappeared too at high RPM cruising.
    Once you try it, can't go without.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    Good test. Which 2T brand do you use?
    My bike's high pitch aircraft charging sound has disappeared too at high RPM cruising.
    Once you try it, can't go without.
    I bought the yellow Shell 2T, the cheap one at $4.60. Actually I had no intention of testing the subject topic but since some people insist on shooting people down for no reason (destroying creativity/innovation is acting in bad faith), I couldn't resist learning more about the topic just so I can personally prove that while certain engine tuning ideas sound really bad, they don't cause apocalyptic engine failure but rather have a very sound engineering principle.

    Paying upwards of $200 for some stupid "fuel charger" doesn't work scientifically and morally. $40 for fish tank parts connected together?Nah. They say a fool is easily parted with his money.
    Identifying the inefficient valvetrain of an old engine as a limitation to its top end capability? Elementary $4.60 kopitiam science, that in concert with smart tuning, can possibly be very beneficial and cost-saving in the long run.

    I also did complimentary stress testing on the engine as I put myself as the sweeper in the friday night convoy. Usually, the bigger groups on SBF will only consider 400cc bikes and above for the task, as it involves a lot of hard acceleration and high speed sprints while managing the convoy's direction and keeping everyone together. However, I have enough confidence in my own tuning work to use my bike in the role. More challenging!

    From 8pm to 3am I was thus involved in tremendously stressing the engine, redlining it as I saw fit. If there was any degradation in performance I would have felt it. Once again, the engine's performance was somewhat noticeably improved and I have no worry of incomplete combustion and fouling. 20ml of oil in a 10+ litre load of petrol is nothing compared to condensation, rust, etc - and in fact the anti-rust properties of oil might be beneficial to a lot of people as a lot of new riders enjoy owning older generation bikes more. (They say they like the more classic look, etc)

    Increased expected vehicle lifespan means it's a good thing to be interested in efficiency-increasing ideas, throwing out those that cost more than $10 lol. The mythbusting aspect of what I call 'kopitiam engineering' is however, the most fun of it. It's like those science projects mad scientists do at home, minus exploding test tubes and white hair

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    good luck to all who is going to try this..
    you need it..
    more than a centuary of bike engineering work...will be re written...if you succeed..

    any way...planet motors is going to welcome you with open arms..whatever the results...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ezzyoiler View Post
    good luck to all who is going to try this..
    you need it..
    more than a centuary of bike engineering work...will be re written...if you succeed..

    any way...planet motors is going to welcome you with open arms..whatever the results...
    2T oil is evil for 4 stroke engines?
    Are you turning a blind eye to many good benefits of 2T oil?

    As advertised by various oil companies, good 2T oils have the following benefits:

    1. Castrol Activ 2T
    http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...%20tId=7018615

    Castrol Activ 2T is a modern, high quality 2-stroke engine oil fortified with Deposit Protection Formula designed to provide continuous protection against the build up of carbon deposits on the engine and spark plug, keeping them clean to ensure fast and reliable starting.
    Benefits
    Cleanliness of engine and spark plug to ensure fast and reliable starting
    Good protection against exhaust system blocking
    Good lubricity to protect pistons from scuffing
    Reduced pre-ignition and catalyst deterioration
    Continuous protection against the build up of carbon deposits on the engine and spark plug during use.

    2. Castrol Power1 2T
    http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...tentId=6006021

    Castrol Power1 2T is an advanced, clean burning 2-stroke engine oil, its Power Release Formula allows your engine to perform at its best, maximizing your engine’s power without compromising protection.
    Benefits:
    Maximum power operation
    Maximum engine power without compromising on protection
    Excellent resistance to exhaust system blocking which may lead to power loss over time
    Exceptional engine cleanliness
    Low levels of visible smoke

    3. Mobil Extra 2T
    http://www.mobil.com/Italy-English/L..._Extra_2T.aspx

    Mobil Motorcycle Oil Product Features.
    * Mobil Extra 2T is a superior performance; semi-synthetic, smokeless, two-stroke engine oil developed to meet for high performance motorcycles, snowmobiles and chain saws.
    * Mobil Extra 2T is pre-diluted to facilitate mixing when added to fuel.

    Features and Benefits
    * Mobil Extra 2T combines a blend of high quality mineral and synthesised high performance baseoils with an advanced additive system to provide excellent engine cleanliness and no-smoke exhaust performance.

    Advantages and Potential Benefits
    * Excellent wear protection
    * Longer engine life
    * Good thermal and oxidation stability and deposit control
    * Cleaner engines resulting in extended spark plug and valve life, reduced ring sticking, piston tightening and prevention of pre-ignition problems
    * Excellent corrosion protection properties
    * Smoke-free exhaust
    * Cleaner environment

    4. PENNZOIL MARINE PREMIUM PLUS OUTBOARD TWO-CYCLE OIL

    http://www.pennzoil.com/#/engine-oil...us-2-cycle-oil
    BENEFITS:

    Helps keep spark plug clean.
    Helps protect against piston scuffing.
    Helps keep exhaust ports clean.
    Helps protect against ring sticking.
    Performs in extreme conditions and causes less smoke.
    Provides ashless oil protection.
    Last edited by byte77; 15-05-2011 at 10:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    2T oil is evil for 4 stroke engines?
    Are you turning a blind eye to many good benefits of 2T oil?

    As advertised by various oil companies, good 2T oils have the following benefits:

    1. Castrol Activ 2T

    Castrol Activ 2T is a modern, high quality 2-stroke engine oil fortified with Deposit Protection Formula designed to provide continuous protection against the build up of carbon deposits on the engine and spark plug, keeping them clean to ensure fast and reliable starting.
    Benefits
    Cleanliness of engine and spark plug to ensure fast and reliable starting
    Good protection against exhaust system blocking
    Good lubricity to protect pistons from scuffing
    Reduced pre-ignition and catalyst deterioration
    Continuous protection against the build up of carbon deposits on the engine and spark plug during use.

    2. Castrol Power1 2T

    Castrol Power1 2T is an advanced, clean burning 2-stroke engine oil, its Power Release Formula allows your engine to perform at its best, maximizing your engine’s power without compromising protection.
    Benefits:
    Maximum power operation
    Maximum engine power without compromising on protection
    Excellent resistance to exhaust system blocking which may lead to power loss over time
    Exceptional engine cleanliness
    Low levels of visible smoke

    3. Mobil Extra 2T


    Mobil Motorcycle Oil Product Features.
    * Mobil Extra 2T is a superior performance; semi-synthetic, smokeless, two-stroke engine oil developed to meet for high performance motorcycles, snowmobiles and chain saws.
    * Mobil Extra 2T is pre-diluted to facilitate mixing when added to fuel.

    Features and Benefits
    * Mobil Extra 2T combines a blend of high quality mineral and synthesised high performance baseoils with an advanced additive system to provide excellent engine cleanliness and no-smoke exhaust performance.

    Advantages and Potential Benefits
    * Excellent wear protection
    * Longer engine life
    * Good thermal and oxidation stability and deposit control
    * Cleaner engines resulting in extended spark plug and valve life, reduced ring sticking, piston tightening and prevention of pre-ignition problems
    * Excellent corrosion protection properties
    * Smoke-free exhaust
    * Cleaner environment

    4. PENNZOIL MARINE PREMIUM PLUS OUTBOARD TWO-CYCLE OIL


    BENEFITS:

    Helps keep spark plug clean.
    Helps protect against piston scuffing.
    Helps keep exhaust ports clean.
    Helps protect against ring sticking.
    Performs in extreme conditions and causes less smoke.
    Provides ashless oil protection.
    Hi,
    may i know all these oil advertisement is it meant for 2 stroke or 4 stroke bike ?

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by lauhs8 View Post
    Hi,
    may i know all these oil advertisement is it meant for 2 stroke or 4 stroke bike ?

    Regards
    Before answering you, let me ask you a question.
    All the engine oils used by 2T bikes are the same as that of 4T bikes right?
    Then those engine oils are named as '4T engine oil' right?
    Wouldn't it be wrong to use '4T' engine oil in '2T' bikes? Think about it.
    For e.g.
    http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...tentId=6005484
    "Castrol Activ 4T with Activ Protection Molecules (APM) is a modern, high quality engine oil, is specifically developed for a '4 stroke' motorcycle engines."




    Original links of 2T oil info:

    http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...tentId=7018615

    http://www.castrol.com/castrol/secti...tentId=6006021

    http://www.mobil.com/Italy-English/L..._Extra_2T.aspx

    http://www.pennzoil.com/#/engine-oil...us-2-cycle-oil
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    Both two and four strokes are petrol engines. They both use pistons. In a four stroke motorcycle the engine oil does triple duty lubricating the clutch, cylinder/block/etc and also acts as a heatsink in aircooled models.

    On older bikes, a small bit of 2t is put into the engine as supplementary lubrication, as with my experimentation. 200cc engine aircooled + super high revs and tropical heat = heavily stressed motor oil and very high cylinder temperatures. 2T to me is like the oil injection system of Mazda sports cars that kick in at high power settings dumping motor oil into the cylinder.

    Some Mazda enthusiasts (who go out on the track, etc) also use 2T premix as it protects the combustion chambers better than injecting car oil into the chamber.

    For those who partake in such practises they feel improved engine smoothness and performance.

    Regardless of the protests, this does not make the engine blow up. Certain types of commercially available fuels do have lubricating properties already, at a vastly increased price. They don't tell you this, but welcome to the 21st Century. Stuff gets tried, stuff gets done, and deployed into the market under the guise of F1 technology. Likewise, 2-cycle oil is heavily engineered to prevent the things most feared in 2-stroke engines - carbon buildup, etc etc. They are a thing of the past. Plenty of RX-Ks and Rs, 2B sportsbikes and 125Zs out there that can both run fast and last surprisingly long.

    Whereas let's see how kopitiam engineering V-power works out in terms of cost

    $4.60 for 500ml (enough for 25 10 litre fillups)
    4.60 / 25 = about 18.5 cents per ten litres.

    You pay 20+ cents per litre extra for V-Power. You pay 20 cents more per ten litres for the 2T lol.
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    You are really the pro!

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    Quote Originally Posted by byte77 View Post
    Before answering you, let me ask you a question.
    All the engine oils used by 2T bikes are the same as that of 4T bikes right?
    Then those engine oils are named as '4T engine oil' right?
    Wouldn't it be wrong to use '4T' engine oil in '2T' bikes? Think about it.
    Just for correction, 2 stroke bikes should use gear oil, not 4T EO, it's just tat the demand for gear oil has fallen due to the huge influx of 4 stroke bikes recent yrs thus bike shops use 4T EO for bikes instead of gear oil as 4T EO can be used for 2 stroke and 4 stroke bikes.

    I myself owned and rode different 2 strokers before, 2T oil is not a stranger to me.
    I also owned and still ridding 4 strokers now, been using 2T mixed into my tank for several 4 strokers, of cos the ratio of the 2Tetrol has been measured.

    The result I have is tat the spark plugs' condition are still the same, engine combustion sound slightly reduced, smoother pickup and much more stable in high speed riding.
    The 2T oil i used is MOTUL 810 from MW.

    Nowadays I use 2T oil once a blue moon and STP gas treatment/octane booster monthly for my bikes.
    2T oil has costed a few times more than STP products, I rather spend the money on STP fuel addictives for my 4 strokers.

    I recommend using STP fuel addictives for smoother pickup and better response

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    Quote Originally Posted by SparkerS1 View Post
    2T oil has costed a few times more than STP products, I rather spend the money on STP fuel addictives for my 4 strokers.
    Wonder how much you paid for the 2T oil?

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    the price of 2T oil has increased at least 20% compared wif 4yrs back dude, I used of cos the best in the range.

    2T Gold, Castrol A747, Putoline RS959, MOTUL 810 Rd race..........
    *** If premix wif Castrol A747, pls complete the tank of fuel within the days as stated on the 2T bottle

    But if u go to esso petrol stn, u check it out the STP gas treatment offer, its alot cheaper compared wif 2T.

    If u wanna try use 2T for 4 strokers, pls use the best, if not dun even try.

    I have observed this thread since it started, now tat i have contributed my experience, I also expect ppl to flame me.
    But pls, no right no wrong, just the sharing of info, no hard feelings alright

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    Quote Originally Posted by SparkerS1 View Post
    the price of 2T oil has increased at least 20% compared wif 4yrs back dude, I used of cos the best in the range.

    2T Gold, Castrol A747, Putoline RS959, MOTUL 810 Rd race..........
    *** If premix wif Castrol A747, pls complete the tank of fuel within the days as stated on the 2T bottle

    But if u go to esso petrol stn, u check it out the STP gas treatment offer, its alot cheaper compared wif 2T.

    If u wanna try use 2T for 4 strokers, pls use the best, if not dun even try.

    I have observed this thread since it started, now tat i have contributed my experience, I also expect ppl to flame me.
    But pls, no right no wrong, just the sharing of info, no hard feelings alright
    I won't recommend redrev fuel system cleaner, though.
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    I nv use tat before, i like STP the way it is

    one bottle of STP gas treatment can last me 3 tanks

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    ok, now i'm interested to try.

    so basic points is, to make sure you get the ratio correct. 1:500ml of petrol

    and make sure you use good 2t? is that all?
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    the ratio u judge uself, always use fully synthetic 2T.

    IMO not suitable for bikes which always travel short distance and slow moving.

    STP fuel addictives like gas treatment or octance booster is worth a try too

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    hmm, i commute 20km to work everyday, speed is like 90-100km. so it should be enough.

    the thing worrying me is my engine is very hot after a ride. unusually hot, so i am very paranoid if its overheating or not.

    tuning the carb abit help, but still wanna keep the engine as cool as possible. so hopefully this might help.
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    Using 2T does not solve ur bike overheating situation.

    Better re-jet and tune ur carburetor first.

    Maybe u are too sensitive about the heat from the bike, can check it out wif other phantom riders if they face such situation wif their bikes

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    Getting hotter on the seat is the characteristics of choppers, esp for air-cooled phantom, get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaiduhz View Post
    You may run the risk of overheating the cylinders. Try not to deviate too much from manufacturer reccomended plug ratings.
    I thought plug rating still the same, just use a different medium other than iridium or platinum but since you mentioned overheating since they produce stronger sparks...

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    The addition of 2T into the air/fuel ratio will theoretically cause a "leaner" mixture and is confirmed during road testing. On a carburetted engine this will give a "smoother" engine feel (more on this later) but also cause it to run hotter. So for a Phantom, increase richness by 1/4 to 3/4 turn of the air correction screw as necessary.

    FYI the Phantom even if running at ultra-lean 46km/l settings will not make the seat hot. All the heat is concentrated at the lower part of the engine. The aluminum covers act like a heatsink and fully synthetic EO (such as Chex 9000, Motul 300V) disperses the heat faster and much better than mineral EO. The underseat plastic covers divert hot air away from the seat and rider when the bike is moving, so the seat never gets hot.

    Once again, run richer to compensate for the "lean running" condition and give better low end torque + cooling. (Again, modify the above kopitiam engineering theory as necessary to suit your bike and purpose)

    Some motoring enthusiasts in forums that discuss this issue more extensively also report that adding 2T to petrol slightly slows down the rate of combustion as fuel droplets are dispersed in uniform size when injected/carburetted. This ensures more complete combustion and reduces the chance of predetonation (for bikes like the Phantom which are cylinder head temperature- & knock-limited at high speeds, the effect of superior high end throttle response and high power stability is noticeable). Engine does not stumble when pushed to the MAX even during endurance tests.

    For type of 2T, some of the aforementioned motorheads advocate the use of high end 2T... or the cheapest mineral 2T. Apparently the JASO rating is important and mineral 2T of a certain JASO rating does burn without leaving a residue. However the links to website mentioning this are on my home PC. They do not recommend using synthetic 2T but recommend using certain brands of marine engine rated 2T instead.

    For our perspective, this "use the best 2T? or the worst?" is up for discussion and testing and I'll stick to the cheapest 2T to see if their theory on mineral 2T is correct - bike is expendable and purchased for DIY experiments
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