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    "REGRETTABLY, it is precisely the riding attitudes of motorcyclist like Miss Joanne Poh. ("Motorcyclists at risk because of drivers"; May 26) that may cause potentially serious and even fatal accidents.

    While it is true that drivers tend to tailgate motorcyclists in the faster lanes along the expressways, this would not happen if the motorcyclists rode in the slower lane.

    Many motorcyclists risk their live by riding in the fast lanes, which allow a maximum speed of 90km/h. It is not uncommon to see may of them overtaking cars in the fastest lane at speeds of over 100km/h.

    A slight miscalculation at such speeds, by either the motorcyclist or driver, could result in serious or even fatal accidents, particularly for motorcyclists.

    Riding between lanes is also highly dangerous. Drivers already have their hands full having o constantly look out for vehicles in front of and behind them. Having to watch out for motorcyclists who weave through on the left or right leaves an even smaller margin of error against serious accidents.

    The point that motorcyclist must remember is that their margin for error is virtually zero along the expressways. So the onus is on them to keep riding at a safe distance from cars as much as possible.

    The Lane Transport Authority should ban motorcyclists from riding in the fastest expressway lane (lane 1), and between the quick lanes (lane 1 & 2), as well as limit the speed of motorcycles to that of goods vehicles and trucks, that is, 70km/h or 80km/h.

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    This is not the first time this idiot Steven Ho has posted anti-biker stuff using his arse to think.

    Anyway sometime back, TP has already responded saying the slow lane is actually more dangerous due to heavy vehicles, debris, and merging traffic.
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    Personally, as a driver and rider, each with its own benefits. Drivers should never be in a rush as they are comfortably in a car with air-con and music. Riders are always with the weather, be it bad or good.

    Riders will always be faster no matter how it look, no matter how much mods you done to your car, that's your limit. SG road are small, cars cannot squeeze and just have to drive patiently.

    To say about fast lanes, since it's 90km/h, why tailgate bikers since cars need a longer braking distance? There are always cars that's along lane 1 and it's definitely over 100 as well.

    I would say, drivers will have difficulties in calculation as they would not know how much more behind or in front, in exact Centimeters. No matter how experience they are, they cannot park their cars with bumper "touching" bumper and not having a slight scratch but bikers is able to do that.

    Riding between lanes, I would say cars do that as well, in order to get pass 2 cars that driving slower. Why? Because the driver/rider infront is slow and refuse to give way, that's when lane split comes about. Drivers should ALWAYS signal 10~20 seconds earlier and not 1 second earlier as no one can predict what you going to do next.

    If limitations is required, why not limit all cars to 2nd lane since they are always the one that can kill.
    Relate accident back to stomp.. Ferrari and etc.

    In a accident,
    the driver will say, "OMG, my bumper!!"
    the rider will say, "sheesh! where's my leg?!!"

    & often, it's because the car are driving reckless, without signaling in advance thus causing an accident.
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    I dun mind if you ban me to my motorcycle-only lane, if there's going to be one.

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    another ****er who thinks all bikes are cups and 2b bikes.

    i have almost a safe journey everytime im on my big bike. go ask those more expensive bikes, italian bikes they too should have quite a safe journey compare to our smaller bikes.

    y? its the mindset!

    everyday im on my spark, damn i think i could email tp everyday.

    but small bikes has poor brakings. seriously. do not speed. small bike brakes are not capable for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adesmond2 View Post
    The Lane Transport Authority should ban motorcyclists from riding in the fastest expressway lane (lane 1), and between the quick lanes (lane 1 & 2), as well as limit the speed of motorcycles to that of goods vehicles and trucks, that is, 70km/h or 80km/h.

    Steven Ho
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    What's your view in this?
    it is like crying wolf: teacher.. teacher.. see that girl/boy so naughty.. hehe
    if one has been on the road long enough, then the next question to ponder is..
    how often one see these buses, goods vehicles and trucks stay in their "slow" lanes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by f/x View Post
    it is like crying wolf: teacher.. teacher.. see that girl/boy so naughty.. hehe
    if one has been on the road long enough, then the next question to ponder is..
    how often one see these buses, goods vehicles and trucks stay in their "slow" lanes?

    like

    they too are the caused of traffic jams

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiq View Post
    I dun mind if you ban me to my motorcycle-only lane, if there's going to be one.
    we have enough banning of bannings in this banner country.. hehe
    the risks are inevitable, it starts with key into the ignition & the moment we ride off..
    any experienced bus/truck drivers will know there are so many blind spots in their vehicles
    access the road & traffic conditions, best to go defensive mode & pls try stay clear out of these "blinded" path

    ride safe & god bless!

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    Lane 1 n 2 (or in between during lane splitting) that's for me... For goodness sake, for those riders riding kups or small bikes, try to refrain from lane splitting between lorries, buses between lane 2 n 3 or 3 n 4 ... A slight misculcalition by those drivers n u will say " There goes my ride!!!" - that if provided ur still alive...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanFazer View Post
    Lane 1 n 2 (or in between during lane splitting) that's for me... For goodness sake, for those riders riding kups or small bikes, try to refrain from lane splitting between lorries, buses between lane 2 n 3 or 3 n 4 ... A slight misculcalition by those drivers n u will say " There goes my ride!!!" - that if provided ur still alive...

    N to Steven Ho... Buzz me, i'll sponsor u a kite to fly at marina aite
    But if I'm entering eway with massive jam but I'm just 2 more exits away. What do u suggest ? Because I think is dangerous to cut my way from lane 5 to lane 1 during jams that's needs to lookout for fast bikes in between cars. By the time Im between 1 and 2. Very soon I need to cut back to exit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiq View Post
    I dun mind if you ban me to my motorcycle-only lane, if there's going to be one.
    haha.. I wun mind as well..


    Quote Originally Posted by shahrul_azmil3 View Post
    haizzzzzzz

    another ****er who thinks all bikes are cups and 2b bikes.

    i have almost a safe journey everytime im on my big bike. go ask those more expensive bikes, italian bikes they too should have quite a safe journey compare to our smaller bikes.

    y? its the mindset!

    everyday im on my spark, damn i think i could email tp everyday.

    but small bikes has poor brakings. seriously. do not speed. small bike brakes are not capable for it.

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    hmmm... I often wonder.. why say about 2B? I ride 2B from SG-TH and I'm planning to go further with it.. & on top of that, there's several SP and a pulsar that went up across several countries..

    Of cuz, I'm accident free for the past 5 years.. Safety and fun and thrill is all part of my life, analysis every single thing that's trying to kill me on the road.. I dun really think 2B cannot brake in time, it's all in the person's mind & how he/she control and how well he/she understand the entire bike..

    Just my 2 cents..


    Quote Originally Posted by f/x View Post
    it is like crying wolf: teacher.. teacher.. see that girl/boy so naughty.. hehe
    if one has been on the road long enough, then the next question to ponder is..
    how often one see these buses, goods vehicles and trucks stay in their "slow" lanes?

    haha.. ya lor.. anyway, i've seen lorry on lane 1 driving at 90km/h before also lor.. haha.. but you can see that they are "struggling" to maintain that speed.. lolx..


    Quote Originally Posted by f/x View Post
    we have enough banning of bannings in this banner country.. hehe
    the risks are inevitable, it starts with key into the ignition & the moment we ride off..
    any experienced bus/truck drivers will know there are so many blind spots in their vehicles
    access the road & traffic conditions, best to go defensive mode & pls try stay clear out of these "blinded" path

    ride safe & god bless!

    yup yup.. agreed!


    Quote Originally Posted by WanFazer View Post
    Lane 1 n 2 (or in between during lane splitting) that's for me... For goodness sake, for those riders riding kups or small bikes, try to refrain from lane splitting between lorries, buses between lane 2 n 3 or 3 n 4 ... A slight misculcalition by those drivers n u will say " There goes my ride!!!" - that if provided ur still alive...

    N to Steven Ho... Buzz me, i'll sponsor u a kite to fly at marina aite
    I would say, small bikes/big bikes = one's experiences.
    Big bike not necessary safe, small bike not necessary risk..

    anyway, yup.. miscalculation from driver and no matter what CC also gone.. so rider must take note of the "distance/time" to speed pass that "risk" zone..


    Quote Originally Posted by NL27 View Post
    But if I'm entering eway with massive jam but I'm just 2 more exits away. What do u suggest ? Because I think is dangerous to cut my way from lane 5 to lane 1 during jams that's needs to lookout for fast bikes in between cars. By the time Im between 1 and 2. Very soon I need to cut back to exit.
    just remember to signal & check mirror, i guess "most" riders will be alright..
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    When I pillion my GF, sometimes I travel on the left lanes on expressways at 80-90km/hr. But those big buses & lorries HIGH-BEAM me & HORN me for travelling too slow. Then they tailgate me so near that they are about to hit me! Then should ban Heavy vehicles off the Expressway?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ki113r View Post
    When I pillion my GF, sometimes I travel on the left lanes on expressways at 80-90km/hr. But those big buses & lorries HIGH-BEAM me & HORN me for travelling too slow. Then they tailgate me so near that they are about to hit me! Then should ban Heavy vehicles off the Expressway?
    haha.. by right, can ride as slow as 50km/h on extreme left because there are army vehicles that's restrict to that speed.. anyway, ride more left abit (touching the shoulder) and let them pass, we can't do anything if buses and lorries want to go faster.. lolx..
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    accident free and free of dangers are two different things.

    u are juz lucky i guess,

    when i rode s4 , rode with a fren on a x1 to melaka. there was a lorry playing with him. in the end me n my frens need to escort him from behind and keep that driver away from him

    on my spark, lots of cars wont give way, tailgate, suddenly speed very close to me.

    on my busa, quite lonely ar. wish it happen so can play with them. kinda bored on the road.

    how bout do a test? using gps speed 80km/h. i wonder which will stop faster n shorter distance. spark or a hayabusa. on a dry and wet roads.

    i wonder

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    Quote Originally Posted by shahrul_azmil3 View Post
    accident free and free of dangers are two different things.

    u are juz lucky i guess,

    when i rode s4 , rode with a fren on a x1 to melaka. there was a lorry playing with him. in the end me n my frens need to escort him from behind and keep that driver away from him

    on my spark, lots of cars wont give way, tailgate, suddenly speed very close to me.

    on my busa, quite lonely ar. wish it happen so can play with them. kinda bored on the road.

    how bout do a test? using gps speed 80km/h. i wonder which will stop faster n shorter distance. spark or a hayabusa.

    i wonder

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    Of cuz, if "danger" encountered. (cars tailgating and etc) depends on what kinda of person they are, i'll do the appropriate actions.

    If something like yours on the way to melaka would to encounter, I would have to speed up and ensure tailgate is off.

    Cars dun give way, move right lane to overtake lor.. else you move left lane for them to pass lor.. it doesn't kill you to give way thru.. NSH got so many cars driving at 150~180 or even 2xx, but they will just slow down and highbeam you if you didn't see them in time, den you just move and they just pass you only lor..

    LOL.. spark I dunno.. But I know 2B 2 stroke still ok.. braking distance "might" require more but you need to know whether can you brake in time JUST before that bumper, OR change lane/lane split, which-ever is safer.

    On the road is all about observe.. So that doesn't comes to CL2 safer, CL2B more danger.. Just before the car infront comes to a full brake, the left/right lane of that car, is there any fast moving cars/bikes coming in? how about any cars coming in from the extreme left lane, all these are "screen-shoot" in your brain and you need to make a quick decision based on that. & lastly, you might be able to brake in time, how about the car behind you? can they? all these on-the-road "day to day" stuff, riders should be able to know.

    Of cuz, afterall, it still boils down to what you prefer, give way or what lor..
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    I always ride on Lane 1, but slightly closer to the left most side, as this gives me more room to dodge incase the driver ahead bangs on the brakes...also if u have anything north of 30-40 hp, it's always better to stay in lane 1 or 2 ..

    Also did it not occur to u guys that lanes merge from the left, and there's always that chick in her new bmw 3 series, who just rams into the left lane without checking who's there..

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    bear in mind the lorry is playing with him. he's already at top speed.

    n he indeed slow down, then the lorry slow down too. then he overtakes, the lorry dun let him over take. x1 manage to be infront of him. lorry tailgating. this process goes on n on.

    that y i say u lucky lor. have not met any of this incident so can type out all the defensive techniques.

    n did i wrote down its the mindset? ? i did.

    the lorry wont play with us (s4 and st11) coz he knows we could out speed them or whatever is safest.

    im pointing out the mindset of humans here.

    would u tailgate a ferrari? ? or a kenari ? . .

    u r pointing out riders mistakes of not keeping a good lookout.

    im pointing out drivers mindset toward cheap , slow 2b bikes. this is where the danger is.

    and also im pointing out the braking distance n braking quality of a small bike too. this one i dunno know so i wish someone could do a test.

    talking bout nsh, i think u know more lar.

    as i nvr been highbeam before. as cars goes 200km/h ++

    i go above n beyond that. so i newbie with no expreience here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racingline View Post
    I always ride on Lane 1, but slightly closer to the left most side, as this gives me more room to dodge incase the driver ahead bangs on the brakes...also if u have anything north of 30-40 hp, it's always better to stay in lane 1 or 2 ..

    Also did it not occur to u guys that lanes merge from the left, and there's always that chick in her new bmw 3 series, who just rams into the left lane without checking who's there..
    yup yup.. just in case..

    whahaha.. chick in her new bmw 3.. whahah.. and yup.. some P plates does not check their blind spots.. I even seen people using their phones as they drive or texting while on expressway lor.. too bad i got no video to show their vehicle moving "patterns".. very obvious one.. hahhaa..

    Quote Originally Posted by shahrul_azmil3 View Post
    bear in mind the lorry is playing with him. he's already at top speed.

    n he indeed slow down, then the lorry slow down too. then he overtakes, the lorry dun let him over take. x1 manage to be infront of him. lorry tailgating. this process goes on n on.

    that y i say u lucky lor. have not met any of this incident so can type out all the defensive techniques.

    n did i wrote down its the mindset? ? i did.

    the lorry wont play with us (s4 and st11) coz he knows we could out speed them or whatever is safest.

    im pointing out the mindset of humans here.

    would u tailgate a ferrari? ? or a kenari ? . .

    u r pointing out riders mistakes of not keeping a good lookout.

    im pointing out drivers mindset toward cheap , slow 2b bikes. this is where the danger is.

    and also im pointing out the braking distance n braking quality of a small bike too. this one i dunno know so i wish someone could do a test.

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    hmmm.. if already at top speed, den no choice ler..

    not really never meet, but normally, either give way or speed up, depending on my front or sg/my or am i alone or convoy..

    hmmm.. okok.. abit miscommunication here.. lolx.. my apologies..

    but again, somehow, I'm abit defensive on CL2B.. indeed it's slow at times but some CL2B can go faster..

    Braking distance.. hmmm.. let's see if there's any rounding tonight.. I'll try it and update you..

    Driver's mindset we can't change so no choice lor..
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    What I can say is, it's depends on rider's mindset and experience,whether u r riding 2B, 2A or 2.....

    I'm encounter almost everyday those stupid driver high beam at me, no matter what speed I'm traveling, feel angry and frustrated.....

    End of the day, we rider just want to make a safe journey to reach home for our love ones.....

    Ride safe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theblackjack View Post
    What I can say is, it's depends on rider's mindset and experience,whether u r riding 2B, 2A or 2.....

    I'm encounter almost everyday those stupid driver high beam at me, no matter what speed I'm traveling, feel angry and frustrated.....

    End of the day, we rider just want to make a safe journey to reach home for our love ones.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by adesmond2 View Post
    Personally, as a driver and rider, each with its own benefits. Drivers should never be in a rush as they are comfortably in a car with air-con and music. Riders are always with the weather, be it bad or good.

    Riders will always be faster no matter how it look, no matter how much mods you done to your car, that's your limit. SG road are small, cars cannot squeeze and just have to drive patiently.

    To say about fast lanes, since it's 90km/h, why tailgate bikers since cars need a longer braking distance? There are always cars that's along lane 1 and it's definitely over 100 as well.


    If limitations is required, why not limit all cars to 2nd lane since they are always the one that can kill.
    Relate accident back to stomp.. Ferrari and etc.
    1) wah friend, no long no see now you driving already?

    2) This is a personal observation only ( no scientific testing )...many of those "fast" cars can in theory be faster than small bikes...unfortunately, in the real world with traffic, many fast car drivers can't use their speed which makes them more "frustrated" / "sian" which makes them more eager to step hard on the accelerator the moment they have a "lobang"...scary to other motorists but i can understand how they feel but it was their choice in the first place. Not many people have the self-discipline or emotional control over themselves. they very "pek chek" one. got chance to let out steam, "sure take".

    NOT ALL all but MANY of them in order to unleash their "fury" do it every time they see a clear road or straight line with little traffic. Or try to enjoy their car's power at late night. what is the point of spending all that money & not "enjoy" it? is obvious, right?

    it is not even just the fast cars, one night i saw a Hyundai Avante speed past me ( i decided to "siam" when he was charging at me ) way above the speed limit ( i was already slightly above it, i confess ) past all the cars & met with a scrambler in Lane 1 ( it wasn't even the expressway ), flash his lights angrily, even when the biker was not able to move aside easily as there was traffic in the other lanes. luckily the scrambler biker was "cool" enough to not to get angry & move aside at the safest possible moment. the avante just speed off arrograntly.

    luckily i already siam earlier when i saw him coming. thank god that scrambler / supermoto ( can't see what bike in the dark but looks like a big class 2 ) rider was unhurt.
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    seriously? that writer should get a life and eat a worm...

    and most probably he's one of those who speed on lane 1 and bully bikers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by theblackjack View Post
    What I can say is, it's depends on rider's mindset and experience,whether u r riding 2B, 2A or 2.....

    I'm encounter almost everyday those stupid driver high beam at me, no matter what speed I'm traveling, feel angry and frustrated.....

    End of the day, we rider just want to make a safe journey to reach home for our love ones.....

    Ride safe!
    yup yup.. reach home safety is the most important.. especially for riders..


    Quote Originally Posted by bukitmerah View Post
    1) wah friend, no long no see now you driving already?

    2) This is a personal observation only ( no scientific testing )...many of those "fast" cars can in theory be faster than small bikes...unfortunately, in the real world with traffic, many fast car drivers can't use their speed which makes them more "frustrated" / "sian" which makes them more eager to step hard on the accelerator the moment they have a "lobang"...scary to other motorists but i can understand how they feel but it was their choice in the first place. Not many people have the self-discipline or emotional control over themselves. they very "pek chek" one. got chance to let out steam, "sure take".

    NOT ALL all but MANY of them in order to unleash their "fury" do it every time they see a clear road or straight line with little traffic. Or try to enjoy their car's power at late night. what is the point of spending all that money & not "enjoy" it? is obvious, right?

    it is not even just the fast cars, one night i saw a Hyundai Avante speed past me ( i decided to "siam" when he was charging at me ) way above the speed limit ( i was already slightly above it, i confess ) past all the cars & met with a scrambler in Lane 1 ( it wasn't even the expressway ), flash his lights angrily, even when the biker was not able to move aside easily as there was traffic in the other lanes. luckily the scrambler biker was "cool" enough to not to get angry & move aside at the safest possible moment. the avante just speed off arrograntly.

    luckily i already siam earlier when i saw him coming. thank god that scrambler / supermoto ( can't see what bike in the dark but looks like a big class 2 ) rider was unhurt.
    1) no la.. I rent cars during special seasons ma.. Some times rent 1 month, sometimes 1 week and etc..

    2) haha.. while driving, I prefer a "further" distance.. safety is always my main point.. and what's worst, i cannot have the exact "CM" or can't see my bumper ma.. so slower nvm.. since I'm relaxing in a car with aircon/music and no helmet! hahhaa.. Understood.. my friend who's a full time driver did say that also.. but he also respect riders.. doesn't overtake closely.. and etc..

    hahaha.. I saw alot of drivers like this recently.. haix.. anyway, still back to this topic.. crap! where got people ask bikers to go slower speed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ulysses_sc View Post
    This is not the first time this idiot Steven Ho has posted anti-biker stuff using his arse to think.

    Anyway sometime back, TP has already responded saying the slow lane is actually more dangerous due to heavy vehicles, debris, and merging traffic.
    i was applauding Ms Joanne Poh's great article when i read it. she made all very good points in very clear & easy way to understand for other non-bikers.

    i especially was thankful she actually made a point ( i often repeat to others in coffee-shop talk but i no write to papers ) that all the drivers that wants to ban lane spliting by bikers will regret & "repent" terribly when it happens. Congestion will only worsen not a bit but "EXPONENTIALLY" ( my ang mo thio bo? )


    i dunno & dun wan to write to papers but i got reply to Mr. "High-Mighty I-Know-All" Steven Ho. ( you ever ride a bike before? got licence bo? ). LIM PEH ( me ) can't do that cause a beng like me dunno how to talk "nice" & politely like Ms Poh.

    Try to spend just 1 week everyday in your beloved car & drive only in the slow lanes ( behind all the buses & lorries ) ALL THE TIME & tell me how "SAFE" you feel in your metal cage. Go on,go ahead, be brave like a man & go try it! after that think how will that feel for bikers. More TP bikers will quit their jobs if they are forced to follow such rules, leaving you more chance to speed off in Lane 1, right? wah, you very "clever" leh!


    Mr "Safety-First" Steven Ho, also do not overtake / switch lanes. ie. if you are stuck behind a slow lorry in Lane 3, do NOT go to lane 2 when there is traffic on Lane 1, because that is Dangerous!, it is dangerous just like a biker taking a small "centre" lane.

    also. Mr. "Smart Guy" Steven Ho, next time ask yourself why are lorries & buses limited to slow lanes with slower speed limits. They are not dangerous right, as they are bigger & "safer" just like bikes are more "dangerous" since they are smaller.

    tell you what, why not we force bikers to go to the slow lane, give them a 70km/hr speed limit, but leave the "safe" large vehicles for lane 1, give them say a 130km/hr limit & let them "fight" with you car drivers in the fast lanes. Smart, right? That is your "logic" mah, right?

    when i 1st read Mr. Steven Ho's B***S*** article, i was swearing just like "ulysses" that he really use his "kar-chen" to think, hahahaha...

    hello, ST forum editor, please don't insult your own intelligence by publishing such "kar-chen" quality letters. waste everybody's time & newspaper space only...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bukitmerah View Post
    i was applauding Ms Joanne Poh's great article when i read it. she made all very good points in very clear & easy way to understand for other non-bikers.

    i especially was thankful she actually made a point ( i often repeat to others in coffee-shop talk but i no write to papers ) that all the drivers that wants to ban lane spliting by bikers will regret & "repent" terribly when it happens. Congestion will only worsen not a bit but "EXPONENTIALLY" ( my ang mo thio bo? )


    i dunno & dun wan to write to papers but i got reply to Mr. "High-Mighty I-Know-All" Steven Ho. ( you ever ride a bike before? got licence bo? ). LIM PEH ( me ) can't do that cause a beng like me dunno how to talk "nice" & politely like Ms Poh.

    Try to spend just 1 week everyday in your beloved car & drive only in the slow lanes ( behind all the buses & lorries ) ALL THE TIME & tell me how "SAFE" you feel in your metal cage. Go on,go ahead, be brave like a man & go try it! after that think how will that feel for bikers. More TP bikers will quit their jobs if they are forced to follow such rules, leaving you more chance to speed off in Lane 1, right? wah, you very "clever" leh!


    Mr "Safety-First" Steven Ho, also do not overtake / switch lanes. ie. if you are stuck behind a slow lorry in Lane 3, do NOT go to lane 2 when there is traffic on Lane 1, because that is Dangerous!, it is dangerous just like a biker taking a small "centre" lane.

    also. Mr. "Smart Guy" Steven Ho, next time ask yourself why are lorries & buses limited to slow lanes with slower speed limits. They are not dangerous right, as they are bigger & "safer" just like bikes are more "dangerous" since they are smaller.

    tell you what, why not we force bikers to go to the slow lane, give them a 70km/hr speed limit, but leave the "safe" large vehicles for lane 1, give them say a 130km/hr limit & let them "fight" with you car drivers in the fast lanes. Smart, right? That is your "logic" mah, right?

    when i 1st read Mr. Steven Ho's B***S*** article, i was swearing just like "ulysses" that he really use his "kar-chen" to think, hahahaha...

    hello, ST forum editor, please don't insult your own intelligence by publishing such "kar-chen" quality letters. waste everybody's time & newspaper space only...
    I may not know you but thank goodness for people like u who respond to idiots who publicly write such useless articles in the public papers. Selfish *******os.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bukitmerah View Post
    i was applauding Ms Joanne Poh's great article when i read it. she made all very good points in very clear & easy way to understand for other non-bikers.

    i especially was thankful she actually made a point ( i often repeat to others in coffee-shop talk but i no write to papers ) that all the drivers that wants to ban lane spliting by bikers will regret & "repent" terribly when it happens. Congestion will only worsen not a bit but "EXPONENTIALLY" ( my ang mo thio bo? )


    i dunno & dun wan to write to papers but i got reply to Mr. "High-Mighty I-Know-All" Steven Ho. ( you ever ride a bike before? got licence bo? ). LIM PEH ( me ) can't do that cause a beng like me dunno how to talk "nice" & politely like Ms Poh.

    Try to spend just 1 week everyday in your beloved car & drive only in the slow lanes ( behind all the buses & lorries ) ALL THE TIME & tell me how "SAFE" you feel in your metal cage. Go on,go ahead, be brave like a man & go try it! after that think how will that feel for bikers. More TP bikers will quit their jobs if they are forced to follow such rules, leaving you more chance to speed off in Lane 1, right? wah, you very "clever" leh!


    Mr "Safety-First" Steven Ho, also do not overtake / switch lanes. ie. if you are stuck behind a slow lorry in Lane 3, do NOT go to lane 2 when there is traffic on Lane 1, because that is Dangerous!, it is dangerous just like a biker taking a small "centre" lane.

    also. Mr. "Smart Guy" Steven Ho, next time ask yourself why are lorries & buses limited to slow lanes with slower speed limits. They are not dangerous right, as they are bigger & "safer" just like bikes are more "dangerous" since they are smaller.

    tell you what, why not we force bikers to go to the slow lane, give them a 70km/hr speed limit, but leave the "safe" large vehicles for lane 1, give them say a 130km/hr limit & let them "fight" with you car drivers in the fast lanes. Smart, right? That is your "logic" mah, right?

    when i 1st read Mr. Steven Ho's B***S*** article, i was swearing just like "ulysses" that he really use his "kar-chen" to think, hahahaha...

    hello, ST forum editor, please don't insult your own intelligence by publishing such "kar-chen" quality letters. waste everybody's time & newspaper space only...
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    @Azmil. Lol. Same feeling as u on ur busa. Cars always give way on eway. :/ and almost never c cars coming up from behind. I only max 120 in sg.

    For brakes. If just talking about pure stopping power (dun consider safety first) cls 2 will win. Due to e "power" of e bikes, it is necessary to ve better brakes. With great powers comes greater brakes. ^^

    if talking about stopping safely. Well if just 80km/h, cls 2 will still be better since spd is not high. assuming stock brakes and wheels.

    If talking about higher spds then sparks and cubs type cannot compare. Becoz now ve to consider wheel base also. Imagine jam brake of big wheel as compare to small wheel. Small wheel less traction, friction and floor contact. Thus no matter how good ur brakes, ur wheel may not be able to "hold on" to e road.

    So baseline is bigger bikes bigger power, thus stock better brakes better wheels. my opinion is in all spd range, bigger bike has better brakes and stopping powers.

    And we ve not discuss ABS. Think only cls 2 ve right?

    @aDesmond. In sg eway, sometimes hard to give way when all lanes got vehicles. And if in front of u a few car lengths away also got vehicle, dun really make sense to give way also. (usually if lane 1 is fairly occupied, lane 2 will be worse. Thus hard to change lane and let behind overtake lo)

    @buiitmerah. Nice post!! I think e part where u suggest for cars to stay strictly at lane 3 or 4 with e big lorries to experience e "safety" very make sense lo. It is really really unsafe. Sometimes when i driving, wan to exit eway also scare becoz of these big trucks.

    Agree also if ban lane split, our traffic condition will be beyond repair.
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    u have certainly read my mind n understand what i actually wanted to point out too

    we have not talk about

    cbs and abs together too

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    i don't even want to lane split during rush hour!!

    my mentality is.. if you are late, you are late.. (eh faggot, next time get up EARLIER!!)

    YOU ARE BETTER LATE THAN NOT TO ARRIVE AT ALL?? resounding Yes? all applause =)

    taxis, cars, lorries & vans all squeeze me out of my lane..
    why?
    i can only conclude they are late, vans & lorries (last night use company van cheong,
    taxi wise (peak hour surcharge etc, time is money),
    cars (if i don't get there on time, my favorite parking spot will be gone!)

    i bloody don't even tailgate cos i know the consequences but "bigger"
    vehicle keep me out of my lane.. then how?

    i've seen my fair share of reckless monkeys swinging from lane to lane (mostly small bikes)

    SUPERLANE splitting i call it, van & lorries on 2nd lane, taxi & cars from 1st lane to slip road in 2 sec
    (i bet they bowl very very well too)

    LTA please tell me you gonna get me a motorcycle only lane!!!!

    pigs would rather rape me for my loud exhaust then chase the dump truck that cannot even close the top flaps!!!
    sand, stone etc falling onto roads (if suay enough windshield also crack)

    imho they should be made liable for ALL drivers claiming windshield damages that DAY!
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    Lanes for motorcycle wnt materialise unless e statistic of motorcyclist shoot up drastically... Everyone have their own opinion but at e end of e day, its us, e roadusers dat makes e difference.. E thing that makes it dangerous is not e type of vehicles that we used but humans r e caused of it...
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    I also wan bike only lanes. I think bikers majority quite ok. Slow will stay left and relax. Fast will keep chiong on e right. But due to sg lack of land/space and e huge number of vehicles, this wont work. Else how cars exit eway? Lol

    In most country tat i see bike only lanes, bikes cant go up highway (eway). But it would be nice to see car prices continue to go up. Then more will give up driving and switch to public or bikes. BUT sadly this will hit those who need e transport but yet r not rich hard. And not to mention our public transport is f*** also.

    So problem is still public transport. I am
    Quite sure there r some drivers now who buy car becoz of their hate for public. I noe becoz i am 1 of them.
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    Should open up shoulder lane for bikes use....just like nshw....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doremi View Post
    Should open up shoulder lane for bikes use....just like nshw....
    Good pt. But with e high traffic in sg, it is a danger. Sometimes we do illegally use e shoulder when really very jam. Then some bikes still can speed on e shoulder. In e end buang e "original cause" of e jam which is a broke down vehicle.

    Somemore shoulders usually not well maintain. More likely to ve holes and stones. This will lead to more cases of spd and skid. ._. if they just open shoulder for us, i will ride slow like below 60. ._. if got bike lanes hope can eway spd also.
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    Road shoulders r meant for breakdwn vehicles or vehicles dat involved in accidents ... But sad to see some morons who involved in minor accidents along eway n stopped on e road to "discuss/settle" n caused massive jams... I've came across quite a number n wat i did is to stop my bike ahead of them n tell/advise them to move to e shoulder or best to go to e nearest carpark to settle wateva they need to do... Some looked at me dumb founded so i explained to them e procedure, only then they move off.. Haizzz sad to see these kind of pple, only know how to drive but dunno e regulations n coz of they ignorance/stupidity had caused others time...
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    I would like to propose to ban all heavy vehicles on the highway and restrict lane one to cars above 2.5litre. Hahaha
    And to all those comments from drivers regarding motorcyclist ,I jus wan to ask :"are u a rider?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wait4me View Post
    I would like to propose to ban all heavy vehicles on the highway and restrict lane one to cars above 2.5litre. Hahaha
    And to all those comments from drivers regarding motorcyclist ,I jus wan to ask :"are u a rider?"
    Those driver without a class2/A/B license will never understand what we biker feel ..... Sigh...

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    Anybody submitted this as reply to the forum or not?
    Motorcyclist are the nicest people on the road, try not to kill us.

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    quite a few replies shooting that steven ho on Forum today..
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    Quote Originally Posted by danielling1981 View Post
    Good pt. But with e high traffic in sg, it is a danger. Sometimes we do illegally use e shoulder when really very jam. Then some bikes still can speed on e shoulder. In e end buang e "original cause" of e jam which is a broke down vehicle.

    Somemore shoulders usually not well maintain. More likely to ve holes and stones. This will lead to more cases of spd and skid. ._. if they just open shoulder for us, i will ride slow like below 60. ._. if got bike lanes hope can eway spd also.
    Quote Originally Posted by WanFazer View Post
    Road shoulders r meant for breakdwn vehicles or vehicles dat involved in accidents ... But sad to see some morons who involved in minor accidents along eway n stopped on e road to "discuss/settle" n caused massive jams... I've came across quite a number n wat i did is to stop my bike ahead of them n tell/advise them to move to e shoulder or best to go to e nearest carpark to settle wateva they need to do... Some looked at me dumb founded so i explained to them e procedure, only then they move off.. Haizzz sad to see these kind of pple, only know how to drive but dunno e regulations n coz of they ignorance/stupidity had caused others time...
    That was the olden days teaching. How often we see these practices? Motorbike kanna bang, i doubt rider still has the strength or in good composure to push the bike from right most lane to road shoulder. Any good samaritaran willing to block all the traffic for the rider?

    The dynamic of the motorist has changed. Now the drivers mentality is you banged me, i will not move a single inch. Even at the expense of causing few hours jam. In addition to the heavy traffic everyday, these vehicles involved in the accident also cannot move over to road shoulder.

    Road shoulder is just white elephant.....its only good for cars to switch on hazard light and wait for erp timing to go out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanFazer View Post
    Road shoulders r meant for breakdwn vehicles or vehicles dat involved in accidents ... But sad to see some morons who involved in minor accidents along eway n stopped on e road to "discuss/settle" n caused massive jams... I've came across quite a number n wat i did is to stop my bike ahead of them n tell/advise them to move to e shoulder or best to go to e nearest carpark to settle wateva they need to do... Some looked at me dumb founded so i explained to them e procedure, only then they move off.. Haizzz sad to see these kind of pple, only know how to drive but dunno e regulations n coz of they ignorance/stupidity had caused others time...
    Worst i known some don even know what's a spark plug. Only know how to drive. Anything else about cars all ???????????
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiq View Post
    I dun mind if you ban me to my motorcycle-only lane, if there's going to be one.
    Got.. the road shoulder loh.. Traffic jam always see bikes going along the shoulder, me included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyberpig View Post
    Got.. the road shoulder loh.. Traffic jam always see bikes going along the shoulder, me included.
    i've seen cars travelling on road shoulder too during a traffic jam

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    yup they do travel on the shoulder at times esp when theres a massive jam. its hard for them to lane split

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    I would even suggest for bigger bikes to take right lane instead. This is because left lane usually are filled with big vehicles with a lot of blind spots. They tend to be dangerous to us bikers. However, as bikers, try not to weave too much, this is very disorientating to drivers. Also, when taking the right most lane, whenever you're tailgated, either give way as soon as is safely possible, or just run away from the car. The reason is that bikes have strong engine braking compared to cars. Drivers who are not bikers may accidentally misjudge if you were to throttle off.

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    I support the TS 100%.

    For me personally, I would limit myself to the slower lane when on expressway.

    For my own safety, because some drivers think the right lane of the road belongs to them, just because they driving BMWs...

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    Double post!
    Motorcyclist are the nicest people on the road, try not to kill us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zenfero View Post
    I support the TS 100%.

    For me personally, I would limit myself to the slower lane when on expressway.

    For my own safety, because some drivers think the right lane of the road belongs to them, just because they driving BMWs...
    You think left lane slowest lane very safe ah?
    Never kena people trying to get to the left lane to exit expressway mare? (especially BMW)
    See you there pretend never see, keep cutting left, then when you no choice brake, let them pass in front of you, they e-brake. @#$%^&*!!!

    Make you brake even harder. You lock your wheels and skid, you self skid, TP fine you and give you 6 demerit points.

    You didn't brake hard enough or fast enough, you bang into his rear, he claim you, you foot your own repair bills. Good luck. Hope you weren't injured as well. Otherwise got to foot your own hospital bills too.

    You swerve left, if lucky go onto road shoulder and there is a TP to give you another 6 demerit points.
    If not lucky, no road shoulder, go bang railing. If lucky get away with only a broken arm and leg, bike gets trashed, can scrape already. If not lucky your body goes over the railing, and isn't found until 4-5 hours later.

    If swerve right, if lucky got space. If not lucky bang into another bike who is lane splitting.

    Left lane very safe mare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    You think left lane slowest lane very safe ah?
    Never kena people trying to get to the left lane to exit expressway mare? (especially BMW)
    See you there pretend never see, keep cutting left, then when you no choice brake, let them pass in front of you, they e-brake. @#$%^&*!!!

    Make you brake even harder. You lock your wheels and skid, you self skid, TP fine you and give you 6 demerit points.

    You didn't brake hard enough or fast enough, you bang into his rear, he claim you, you foot your own repair bills. Good luck. Hope you weren't injured as well. Otherwise got to foot your own hospital bills too.

    You swerve left, if lucky go onto road shoulder and there is a TP to give you another 6 demerit points.
    If not lucky, no road shoulder, go bang railing. If lucky get away with only a broken arm and leg, bike gets trashed, can scrape already. If not lucky your body goes over the railing, and isn't found until 4-5 hours later.

    If swerve right, if lucky got space. If not lucky bang into another bike who is lane splitting.

    Left lane very safe mare?
    Wa bro your description very detailed. Other words is DIE. Best answer by far!


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    All cars keep left, 2 wheelers keep right. Problem solve.

    Well the rule is heavy vehicles keep left isn't it and aint all the 4 wheelers heavier than my 170 kilo bike.

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