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    Default Police take escort bikers on CTE to task



    http://news.asiaone.com/news/singapo...ikers-cte-task



    These Team Diversion motorcycle enthusiasts, who look like the Traffic Police, are riding in a convoy for a wedding.
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    SINGAPORE - Two motorcyclists in a convoy of seven riders along the Central Expressway on Sept 14 were taken to task for flouting road rules. They are members of Team Diversion Singapore, which has escort riders for weddings.

    One rider was issued with a summons for inconsiderate riding - for blocking the path of a car driver. Another was arrested for riding even though he had been disqualified from doing so, said police.
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    I guess TP also read SBF. they must be fuming mad reading about"normal joes" masquerading like them. but when i ride my bike , many car drivers using handphone, reckless lorry drivers, NOT one TP is seen

     

     
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    One disqualified but still ride the bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MR BIKER View Post
    I guess TP also read SBF. they must be fuming mad reading about"normal joes" masquerading like them. but when i ride my bike , many car drivers using handphone, reckless lorry drivers, NOT one TP is seen
    haha. I see them too. Once I saw this girl on her phone quite late at night, she slammed on a brakes when lights turned red, end up in the pedestrian section after the stop line in a T Junction. Worse still, inside got passenger. She never reverse or anything, just stay there. Lucky no adjacent traffic or else the front of her car might have been hit, or she might have hit pedestrians who think green man = safe. Sigh.

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    Funny fella,..


    Came from a "Reputable" motorcycle group in Sg, but yet ride on disqualification ..



    So much for TP-look-alike.. Not for the rule tho





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    article has no bearing on discrimination against bikers.

    chances are the road-users who called in for the road-hogging

    one driving recklessly & another on disqualification..

    puts us riders who ride "properly" to shame..

    hokkien people say "eng kai" one

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    Strange why these bikers dress themselves and bikes to look like TP...should join the police force instead

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    Cosplay ma...

    Quote Originally Posted by srady View Post
    Strange why these bikers dress themselves and bikes to look like TP...should join the police force instead

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    I don't know why you want to pretend to be TP or LTA, especially LTA. These buggers spook me everytime I see them.

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    I think the TP are hesitant to come down strongly on "impersonators" like these because they're ultimately helping them do their job if other motorists slow down and drive more safely around them. The two who were charged were just lan-lan cases that were too obvious to ignore.
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    Man...


    Riding under disqualification is just plain stupid things to do

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaiq View Post
    Cosplay ma...
    Blahahahahahaaaa!!! That's a nice one.
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    I have seen many escort bikes lime these especially Harley or those "" 2 strokers such as Rxz. but no news about it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR BIKER View Post
    I have seen many escort bikes lime these especially Harley or those "" 2 strokers such as Rxz. but no news about it??
    i believe the issue is this: "escort" by riding directly in front of the wedding car the whole route, there is absolutely nothing wrong. or "escort" by a big convoy following the car or cars the whole journey also nothing wrong.

    but when you "escort" by actually trying to direct other traffic, thats when you run afoul of the law. and i believe thats what this Team Diversion was doing; i think they purposely dress up as TP so that they can fool other motorists into following their road instructions, or hold up other cars to make way for the wedding car.

    and i think thats the message TP is trying to give: go ahead "escort" by following the wedding car, but dun kay kiang until you start controlling traffic like real TP.

    It's true: it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. Admittedly, though... It is MOST fun to ride a fast bike fast!

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    HMMMM. highly probable that is the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechwira View Post
    i believe the issue is this: "escort" by riding directly in front of the wedding car the whole route, there is absolutely nothing wrong. or "escort" by a big convoy following the car or cars the whole journey also nothing wrong.

    but when you "escort" by actually trying to direct other traffic, thats when you run afoul of the law. and i believe thats what this Team Diversion was doing; i think they purposely dress up as TP so that they can fool other motorists into following their road instructions, or hold up other cars to make way for the wedding car.

    and i think thats the message TP is trying to give: go ahead "escort" by following the wedding car, but dun kay kiang until you start controlling traffic like real TP.
    Well when you have 500 plus bikes during an event trying to cross a junction that changes oh so quickly, its a much better idea to stop traffic like the TP, besides some of them are actually working for TP or Aetos and have been trained to do so, just not in uniform. Team Diversion doesn't handle big events though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehuty View Post
    Well when you have 500 plus bikes during an event trying to cross a junction that changes oh so quickly, its a much better idea to stop traffic like the TP, besides some of them are actually working for TP or Aetos and have been trained to do so, just not in uniform. Team Diversion doesn't handle big events though.
    i only have one problem with a non TP/LTA/AETOS person directing traffic like you suggest.

    when i follow the directions of a real TP/LTA/AETOS, the law says i MUST obey his instructions over and above existing rules such as a red/green light, and he is squarely responsible for the safety of the traffic he is directing. if he makes a mistake causing an accident, the police or LTA or AETOS must and will take responsibility and compensate.

    but if an ordinary untrained biker suka-suka hold up the junction and his actions cause accident then how? who will compensate the accident victim? insurance will say that biker does not have jurisdiction over my traffic actions, i am not obliged to follow his instructions, and therefore if he gives an instruction that is dangerous it is my duty as a motorist to ignore him and take my own safer response. no insurer will go after that biker.

    and thats for large convoy like you suggest. but if just one bloody wedding car, wat right does he have to tell me to get out of the way?

    even if its a trained biker outside of uniform, the same problem exists. will TP/LTA/AETOS take responsibility for this off-duty guy?

    i admit i donno wats the best way for a hundred-plus sized convoy of bikers to travel. dun direct other traffic, will be chaotic; but if they ownself direct, they do not legally have a duty of care to other motorists while directing and they might be untrained and cause nuisance. the best way is for an actual TP in uniform on hand in such large convoys, but they cant possibly send a rider to every wedding that potentially has a convoy. unless they provide a way to register yourself as an 'event' when planning a convoy of more than a certain number of bikes.

    It's true: it's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than to ride a fast bike slow. Admittedly, though... It is MOST fun to ride a fast bike fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechwira View Post
    i only have one problem with a non TP/LTA/AETOS person directing traffic like you suggest.

    when i follow the directions of a real TP/LTA/AETOS, the law says i MUST obey his instructions over and above existing rules such as a red/green light, and he is squarely responsible for the safety of the traffic he is directing. if he makes a mistake causing an accident, the police or LTA or AETOS must and will take responsibility and compensate.

    but if an ordinary untrained biker suka-suka hold up the junction and his actions cause accident then how? who will compensate the accident victim? insurance will say that biker does not have jurisdiction over my traffic actions, i am not obliged to follow his instructions, and therefore if he gives an instruction that is dangerous it is my duty as a motorist to ignore him and take my own safer response. no insurer will go after that biker.

    and thats for large convoy like you suggest. but if just one bloody wedding car, wat right does he have to tell me to get out of the way?

    even if its a trained biker outside of uniform, the same problem exists. will TP/LTA/AETOS take responsibility for this off-duty guy?

    i admit i donno wats the best way for a hundred-plus sized convoy of bikers to travel. dun direct other traffic, will be chaotic; but if they ownself direct, they do not legally have a duty of care to other motorists while directing and they might be untrained and cause nuisance. the best way is for an actual TP in uniform on hand in such large convoys, but they cant possibly send a rider to every wedding that potentially has a convoy. unless they provide a way to register yourself as an 'event' when planning a convoy of more than a certain number of bikes.

    Keep in mind these are charity drives, not official government events and you can't have the TP at every event, these events usually involves MPs anyway. So far no one has been stupid enough to ram the marshall, they'll start blocking when its the green light for the convoy all the way till the whole group has passed thru. As far as insurance goes, I don't know the full details but as far as legal or not, well its checked out with TP and they don't bother us but they don't do traffic control for us.

    But for marraige convoys....well I don't like those to be honest, I rather go there on my own, go back on my own, they tend to be far less organised, far less control, wheelies and superman everywhere.
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    Team diversion.. Biggest joke of the year. Should join Comic con.

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    TP wannabe. Biggest laughing stock of the year.

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    Self pawned. Wanna be TP, in the end kena caught by TP. Hahaha.....

     

     
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    All the Best for Team Diversion. hope they overcome these and see them on the road again
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoPuzzy1968 View Post
    All the Best for Team Diversion. hope they overcome these and see them on the road again

    HOPE NOT!!! What a bunch of poseurs & losers, giving bikers a bad name.The Police should warn them for impersonation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Totallywasted View Post
    I think the TP are hesitant to come down strongly on "impersonators" like these because they're ultimately helping them do their job if other motorists slow down and drive more safely around them. The two who were charged were just lan-lan cases that were too obvious to ignore.
    These two clowns were not charged for impersonation which is a very serious offence.

    No LAN LAN case, they got what they deserved for their behavior which is out of boundary for a road user.

    If such actions are condoned, some rich men will soon be hiring them to hold up other road users so that they can have an advantage on the road. Will take be seen as helping TP do their job?

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    They really look very professional!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon View Post
    These two clowns were not charged for impersonation which is a very serious offence.

    No LAN LAN case, they got what they deserved for their behavior which is out of boundary for a road user.

    If such actions are condoned, some rich men will soon be hiring them to hold up other road users so that
    they can have an advantage on the road. Will take be seen as helping TP do their job?
    Some rich men will soon be hiring them ............ Hmmmmmm. Hasnt that been done by the supposedly rich men but on supposedly official function for our country until they may not really experience the jam, the overcrowdedness etc etc etc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MR BIKER View Post
    Some rich men will soon be hiring them ............ Hmmmmmm. Hasnt that been done by the supposedly rich men but on supposedly official function for our country until they may not really experience the jam, the overcrowdedness etc etc etc?
    It seems like they do favors for rich people who want to feel important and have 'TP' escorting and controlling traffic. Good God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jehuty View Post
    It seems like they do favors for rich people who want to feel important and have 'TP' escorting and controlling traffic. Good God.
    brainless comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by nankai061283 View Post
    brainless comment
    brainy comment

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    TP can do escort for private individuals?

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