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    Lightbulb [Technical] Wiring diagram for TA200 - Appeal for information / crowd sourcing



    Hi all,
    I know this has been asked before but has anyone seen the wiring diagram for TA200?
    If not, I would like to attempt to do some circuit tracing and also crowd source and compile this information so that future folks will benefit from this.

    Some important details that would be good to have would be:
    - wiring colors, (i was informed that the color codes made differ for the latest gen phantom)
    - simplified system based electrical diagrams,
    - pin outs if any and also
    - photos of actual components


    Some of the basic systems that i will be seeking to compile would be:
    - starter circuit (starter button+neutral switch+clutch switch; starter motor; starter relay+fuse)
    - ignition circuit (CDI/starter coil; spark plug wire + spark plug; kill switch)
    - charging circuit: alternator (is it 3 phase or single phase?); rectifier
    - lighting (head light+switches, tail light, brake light+switches; signal light+switch+relay; license light)
    - indicator lights (neutral+highbeam+signal+speedo)
    - speedometer
    - horn (or horns - typical setup with one horn or additional setup with a relay + a pair of horns)

    please feel free to contribute to this thread - will need help especially from old birds! naim / Silent Hunter / jtzx / Kev
    once i have time i would also try to post up the circuits that i have traced..
    operate a vehicle in a way that you benefit other road users pls - and meanwhile, stop whining! be responsible and be safe.

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    That's kind of you to do this. May I request for a wiring diagram for usb charging port as well? I'm in the midst of installing one. If I do get it DIY successfully I will post the entire process.

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    this would be most useful. Thank you!

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    Open up the chrome cover on the right hand side where the fuse is.
    You will see 2 screws, Connect your wires for the USB/ Ciggarette charger to them then figure out where to place them so that they will not be wet when it rains.
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    Thanks for the initiative! I just got my bike, and am very new to this. Will take awhile for me to explore the bike.

    However, I have some sort of engineering background and will help if I can!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    Open up the chrome cover on the right hand side where the fuse is.
    You will see 2 screws, Connect your wires for the USB/ Ciggarette charger to them then figure out where to place them so that they will not be wet when it rains.
    that would mean the circuit will be live all the time unless u add in an inline switch?
    also that means will need a 12v cig/charging socket and a car charger that will step down to 5V.
    IIRC the 2 screws are already connected to -ve terminal of batt and the +ve input of starter motor.

    back on the main topic, for the circuit tracing we will need at least some electrical knowledge to draw the schematics so some engineering knowledge may help!
    also, if i'm right, like most other Honda bikes there is no ground conductor wiring through out the harness, and the grounding path is just through the chassis of the vehicle.

    so far i've seen the -ve end of horns, spark plug and starter motor is to ground (chassis) so that's something to start with!
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    You are so right bro. That is why some people do 5 point grounding to short all the ground together. Then there be no resistance when u take the resistance reading.

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    Yes. It's on all the time, that's why I hid it (ciggy charger) under the fuel tank, partly covered by the chrome cover.

    I have never added a USB charger, but I figured I will just need to buy an adaptor (USB behind, Ciggy head in front) and plug into the ciggy charger to convert it into a USB charger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    Open up the chrome cover on the right hand side where the fuse is.
    You will see 2 screws, Connect your wires for the USB/ Ciggarette charger to them then figure out where to place them so that they will not be wet when it rains.
    Thanks SH. It was really as simple as you have described. My other question is whether it will drain the battery excessively.

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    Hi bros can I check where is the 12v wire that only goes live when ignition is on?


    I'm trying to install new horn.

    Thx!

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    Ok sorry did u mean to say the screws under RHS chrome are the 12v that only live when engine on?

     

     
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    It's live all the time.. Lemme go back later check where I tap the power for my horn from

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    Thx bro I appreciate it... I tried to find it annoys the wires going to headlights but got totally confused

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    Btw for USB charger shd just get one from aliexpress.

    It is a complete kit, directly to 5v and is waterproof.

    Also goes up to 2.1a for high speed charging

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    2.1A think not supported for micro USB standard so if yr charging a phone on micro USB it may refuse to charge.. For me I go for lower amp output

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    It's actually 2.1a split into two USB jacks

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    Orhhh thats dam good idea! But Alibaba need bulk order right?

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    No need... Well alibaba yes, but aliexpress.com no need

    It's damn cheap and quite reliable. Just buy from those with good reviews.

    Takes awhile to come but so far so good

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawfly View Post
    It's live all the time.. Lemme go back later check where I tap the power for my horn from

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    I used to tap power from the headlights but once was enough, it was hell to put everything back.
    Took me 6 hours of trial and error to open find the wire and put everything back.
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    Wow so it's still a mystery finding where the 12v line (that is off if ignition is off) comes from?

    I guess that means DIY horn is not as simple as it seems!!

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    I just found out my mechanic directly tapped the +very from the rectifier... can't see clearly the pin out..

    U can use the old horn wiring if u dun intend to use relay though.. My former horn connection is now to my add on relay..

    If u using relay I think can just feed a wire directly from batt +ve..

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    My regulator/rectifier is of a model SH-561-12, T2.7 , from shindengen, can anyone confirm if their's the same?
    This is a 5 pin device, and is stated somewhere online to be a single phase full wave shunt type regulator.
    if this is correct, our TA200 uses a single phase alternator, which would mean that the circuit tracing will be simpler.

    i've also found online the traced pinouts for this regulator/rectifier:

    rectifer.jpg

    source: http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/59740-A-1.html


    if this is correct, sprocketty you can experiment by tapping a voltmeter from this 2 pins as shown above and perhaps use it to power your horns (if you are using a relay)

    update: - see colored connections below to regulator/rectifier:
    definitely the red wire can be used to tap ur horn though not sure which wire (green or black) is the ground for the moment.

    rectifier pin out.jpg
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    Sawfly my ta200 is the same...
    I was also testing the leads that go in... There is a green blue red and yellow. Black

    I tried testing with voltmeter and can confirm that one or more of those wires toggles live 12v when key ignition is on... But I wasn't sure which one to tap for a USB output.

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    damn i just posted an update above on my rectifier.. the red wire confirm can.. but i think when engine running the voltage is @ 14.5v at least.. not sure it will fry out the coil in the usb socket in the long run..
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    Default initial mapping for stater motor circuit + fuse

    see attached below for starter circuit.. pls comment if u know more about on:
    - those pin outs of the starter motor relay
    - circuits connected to R/G and Y/R of starter relay

    starter relay pin out suggestions.jpg

    Starter relay and motor connections with fuse.jpg
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    Red wire shd be ok! Cos those USB output kits are 12-24v input! Sounds like we might have an easy solution...

    I was earlier thinking of just using a relayed version. Cos this way we don't tap existing 12v lines to the USB charger. Rather, we just tap them to trigger the relay (which has a direct connection to battery to drive the USB charger).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprocketty View Post
    Red wire shd be ok! Cos those USB output kits are 12-24v input! Sounds like we might have an easy solution...

    I was earlier thinking of just using a relayed version. Cos this way we don't tap existing 12v lines to the USB charger. Rather, we just tap them to trigger the relay (which has a direct connection to battery to drive the USB charger).
    lol i would be too lazy to do a relay version actually cos dont need so much current to drive the USB charger i think? not too sure of the requirements of the charger..
    usually you will implement relays if there are voltage drop issues across circuits.

    but for the horn my mech and some other electrician friend comment before we should tap direct with relay switch so that you can horn loudly the muthabuggers on the road!
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