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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayden91 View Post
    What time??


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    i think 6pm that slot one you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lepergnome View Post
    i think 6pm that slot one you?
    8.20 hahah


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayden91 View Post
    8.20 hahah


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    you also at lesson 2 meh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    L4 hard anot? And what bike do u have now. I was thinking of getting R125 but q hard to find in sg... Any suggestions for beginner?


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    I am selling. Aprilia RS4 125.

    IIRC, L4 is the circuit assessment. If you pass, you can go on the road. I failed at the S course, I think. Timing too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW. View Post
    I am selling. Aprilia RS4 125.

    IIRC, L4 is the circuit assessment. If you pass, you can go on the road. I failed at the S course, I think. Timing too long.
    Wah nice. This one is the 4-stroke version right? How much you selling for & coe till when? One of my options is that bike also after i pass my TP...

    So which 2A bike you getting? Kawa 250R? Quite cheap & beast also le haha.


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    Yeaps, 4 stroke - you can see it here - https://carousell.com/p/38088096/.

    I actually had this bike even before I pass my license - https://carousell.com/p/22613410. Trust me - Having a bike already in possession, makes u want to even pass it more. Haha.

    I was thinking of this but still not launched yet - http://www.hondaprokevin.com/2017-ho...cycle-concept/. Or maybe Ducati Scrambler 62. If not, I might just ride a Vespa + sidecar first - have one laid up, just need to put it on road and get insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Wah nice. This one is the 4-stroke version right? How much you selling for & coe till when? One of my options is that bike also after i pass my TP...

    So which 2A bike you getting? Kawa 250R? Quite cheap & beast also le haha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW. View Post
    Yeaps, 4 stroke - you can see it here - https://carousell.com/p/38088096/.

    I actually had this bike even before I pass my license - https://carousell.com/p/22613410. Trust me - Having a bike already in possession, makes u want to even pass it more. Haha.

    I was thinking of this but still not launched yet - http://www.hondaprokevin.com/2017-ho...cycle-concept/. Or maybe Ducati Scrambler 62. If not, I might just ride a Vespa + sidecar first - have one laid up, just need to put it on road and get insurance.
    Oh man it looks so sick! damn! Haha just keep riding your RS4 125 until someone buys it la haha.. No nd ride vespa


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    Hi bros can check with you all. Example if im approaching a bend. Im at gear 4 and want to go down to gear 2. Assuming i want to do engine braking, i have to

    From gear 4 to gear 3
    1. Close throttle, brake if needed
    2. Clutch in
    3. Down gear
    4. Release clutch

    Question is, do i have to throttle after releasing clutch at the same time? If yes, why do i have to throttle since i'm planning to down to gear 2? Or should i let it slow down more w/o throttle before i down to gear 2?

    Thanks!

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    for me i close throttle first, then brake a bit, then i straight away drop fr gear 4 to gear 2, then after further braking when speed is appropriate (not too slow), i release the clutch slowly and can feel the engine braking as i release the clutch.

    But if do your way then i wldn't throttle after releasing clutch...

    But what do i know, i havent even been on the road yet haha... So can someone enlighten me whether straight away gear down from 4 to 2 is a gd idea.. Will it cause bike problems..? Ty



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    Better go straight from gear 4 to 3, then from 3 to 2.
    If your speed is not within the range of the gear you'r dropping to, the bike will jerk and the speed will drop rapidly.

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    Anyone know if it's possible to get a license (2B) before 18 May?
    Currently I'm at Lesson 5 SSDC.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KirinXHell View Post
    Anyone know if it's possible to get a license (2B) before 18 May?
    Currently I'm at Lesson 5 SSDC.
    Check here inline with your progress - https://www.ssdcl.com.sg/Home/TestDate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tofuuuuuu View Post
    Hi bros can check with you all. Example if im approaching a bend. Im at gear 4 and want to go down to gear 2. Assuming i want to do engine braking, i have to

    From gear 4 to gear 3
    1. Close throttle, brake if needed
    2. Clutch in
    3. Down gear
    4. Release clutch

    Question is, do i have to throttle after releasing clutch at the same time? If yes, why do i have to throttle since i'm planning to down to gear 2? Or should i let it slow down more w/o throttle before i down to gear 2?

    Thanks!
    Engine brake, if too fast brake abit, then down gear to 3.
    Repeat above
    Then turn
    After turn, up gear and open throttle

    With regards to your question, can just maintain throttle, no need to open. After you get the gist, all these muscle movements becomes more natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW. View Post
    Engine brake, if too fast brake abit, then down gear to 3.
    Repeat above
    Then turn
    After turn, up gear and open throttle

    With regards to your question, can just maintain throttle, no need to open. After you get the gist, all these muscle movements becomes more natural.
    Hi bro thank you for your reply.

    By engine brake, you mean just closing the throttle right?

    Also when you say maintain throttle.. You mean that I roll back my throttle back to the same position before I change gear?

    So it's like.. From gear 4 to 3,
    - close throttle (engine brake), brake if needed
    - clutch in
    - down gear
    - throttle go back to position before I change gear
    - clutch out

    Hope my understanding is correct.
    Thanks

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    Should be. If not free gear (clutch in) and open throttle, ur bike will be noisy with the free-gear acceleration. Which lesson are you at now?

    - clutch in
    - down gear
    - clutch out
    - throttle go back to position before I change gear

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW. View Post
    Should be. If not free gear (clutch in) and open throttle, ur bike will be noisy with the free-gear acceleration. Which lesson are you at now?

    - clutch in
    - down gear
    - clutch out
    - throttle go back to position before I change gear
    At lesson 1 now bro and fail once. Think need more practice

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    Default [SSDC] Class 2B (2016)

    Tofuuuuuu's original question about opening throttle when lowering gear is something called "rev matching" to ensure smoother transition to a lower gear. You basically close throttle, then *clutch in, accelerate, step gear down, close throttle again* before releasing the clutch. Everything between the ** are done nearly simultaneously.

    You can do that in daily riding but because it is not a technique taught in the school, it's best not to use it. Also, you may want to avoid it during the TP test in case you over-rev. That costs some points.

    What the others have advised is correct. When lowering gear, you should first close the throttle, then apply the brakes until it's slow enough before pulling the clutch lever in, stepping down ONE GEAR, and then releasing the clutch lever slowly (you can accelerate a little at this point of the engine braking effect is too strong). Pull clutch lever in and step down again as needed if gear is still too high. Don't "throw" the clutch out because it will cause you to be jerky due to high wheel revolution not matching engine rpm. Again, costs points for being either wobbly or having bad posture if not done properly. Worse, if your leg comes down due to the sudden jerk... And for holding on to clutch lever while not changing gear, it is again considered "wrong posture" so don't hold on for too long. Just lift your fingers off if you're not using the clutch lever.

    And don't wait for the speed to get too low via engine brake, in case the engine stalls. Go for more rounds to gauge the speed you can make the turn so you know how slow you need to be before you enter the bend.

    After all the ways on how easy to obtain points, some good news about taking the test in SSDC is that: the notoriously strict TP tester has been rotated to Ubi. It's easier to pass this year on until the next rotation of testers.


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    i find it quite hard to balance on plank...... any tips?

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    Look far, grab the tank with your thighs and control the throttle and rear brake.

    Just keep the clutch constantly at biting point and use only the rear brake to slow down. Important thing to remember is: when the bike is free-wheeling, it loses balance easier. Also, "practice the plank" wherever you are. By that, I mean just choosing a straight line and "balancing" along that line whenever you come to a low speed section in the circuit like traffic light or at stop line, especially after crank course toward the e-brake if you have already done lesson 3(2). That way, you get used to the balance point and center of the bike at every opportunity, not just when on the plank.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhySquare View Post
    Look far, grab the tank with your thighs and control the throttle and rear brake.

    Just keep the clutch constantly at biting point and use only the rear brake to slow down. Important thing to remember is: when the bike is free-wheeling, it loses balance easier. Also, "practice the plank" wherever you are. By that, I mean just choosing a straight line and "balancing" along that line whenever you come to a low speed section in the circuit like traffic light or at stop line, especially after crank course toward the e-brake if you have already done lesson 3(2). That way, you get used to the balance point and center of the bike at every opportunity, not just when on the plank.


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    Thanks bro. i find it quite hard to do it above 6s. my instructor said i do plank course too fast. its because i throttle too much.
    i will try to apply rear brake tonight. thanks for the tips

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhySquare View Post
    Tofuuuuuu's original question about opening throttle when lowering gear is something called "rev matching" to ensure smoother transition to a lower gear. You basically close throttle, then *clutch in, accelerate, step gear down, close throttle again* before releasing the clutch. Everything between the ** are done nearly simultaneously.

    You can do that in daily riding but because it is not a technique taught in the school, it's best not to use it. Also, you may want to avoid it during the TP test in case you over-rev. That costs some points.

    What the others have advised is correct. When lowering gear, you should first close the throttle, then apply the brakes until it's slow enough before pulling the clutch lever in, stepping down ONE GEAR, and then releasing the clutch lever slowly (you can accelerate a little at this point of the engine braking effect is too strong). Pull clutch lever in and step down again as needed if gear is still too high. Don't "throw" the clutch out because it will cause you to be jerky due to high wheel revolution not matching engine rpm. Again, costs points for being either wobbly or having bad posture if not done properly. Worse, if your leg comes down due to the sudden jerk... And for holding on to clutch lever while not changing gear, it is again considered "wrong posture" so don't hold on for too long. Just lift your fingers off if you're not using the clutch lever.

    And don't wait for the speed to get too low via engine brake, in case the engine stalls. Go for more rounds to gauge the speed you can make the turn so you know how slow you need to be before you enter the bend.

    After all the ways on how easy to obtain points, some good news about taking the test in SSDC is that: the notoriously strict TP tester has been rotated to Ubi. It's easier to pass this year on until the next rotation of testers.


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    Thank you bro, that is very detailed and informative. I'll try it on my next prac.

     

     
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    Default [SSDC] Class 2B (2016)

    Did my prac 4 (assessment) the other day. Got penalised 12 points for wobbling. I passed with 18points though.

    The reason why I "wobble" , I think, is because everytime I make a right turn/left turn, I have to check blindspot. At gear one, it's hard to turn and check blindspot at the same time. Here is why: at Gear 1, even when I close throttle just a little bit (while maintaining clutch), the bike will slow down tremendously, causing a jerky movement. When bike is very slow, it's very hard to make a smooth turn (hence wobble). But when bike is very fast, it's hard to check blindspots.

    So what do I do? Change to gear 2? (which is easier as closing throttle does not induce a jerking effect) or Don't close throttle? Or just deal with it and practice harder? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

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    The only 3 spots I can think of when you need to make a turn right after you move off are: circuit flag off point, stop line before traffic light junction (after you clear crank course and on your way to e-brake) and if you stop while exiting figure 8 course. These are the more challenging ones to check blind spot due to the balance. For the rest of the circuit, you should have more time to react as you have at least the width of a lane to check the blind spot.

    In fact, for most blind spot checking, they should be done about 1 to 1.5 car lengths *before* you enter the bend. For example, when approaching the crank course, you should check blind spot once you clear the T-junction and before you have passed the "parking bay". That's according to TP tester standard. With this advanced length, you should have sufficient reaction time and also, your bike should still be straight and hence have lesser difficulty doing so.

    As for the 3 spots I mentioned, what you can do is to maintain the throttle at gear 1, and apply the foot brakes. This will ensure there is sufficient centripetal force within the tyres (and engine, to some extent) and help maintain balance. When checking, just turn in an exaggerated manner then keep your eye point focused on where you want to go. No need to turn back fully after checking.

    For your subsequent riding practices, practice using the foot brake almost exclusively. It will help you stabilize better and prevent wobble especially on the road, when you have to stop or slow down for u-turn from a high speed. Learning this habit helps you to avoid touching the front brake when turning, which is again bad riding posture. Anticipation is key, and apply front brake only to complement the stopping force when necessary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WhySquare View Post
    The only 3 spots I can think of when you need to make a turn right after you move off are: circuit flag off point, stop line before traffic light junction (after you clear crank course and on your way to e-brake) and if you stop while exiting figure 8 course. These are the more challenging ones to check blind spot due to the balance. For the rest of the circuit, you should have more time to react as you have at least the width of a lane to check the blind spot.


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    Yes you are right. It is difficult to check blindspot due to balance. Thank you for the very informative answer. So basically the key is to not turn the bike when checking blindspot. Only turn the bike after checking blindspot and have the correct eye point. I see. Will try your tips in the next RC. Thanks.


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    Hello guys, first post on this forum ever. How's everyone's lesson coming along? So far mine have be thoroughly bad.

    Lesson 1 started at 05/12/15

    Lesson 1 - 3X
    Lesson 2 - 2X
    Lesson 3 - 1X
    Lesson 4 - 5X (tip for those who haven't done lesson 4. Focus on blindspot. 4pts X 3 almost die alr)
    Lesson 5 - 4X (5th one next week 29th 10am)

    Losing hope every time i have to retake a lesson. Sigh pie but still driven for my passion to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SianShi View Post
    Hello guys, first post on this forum ever. How's everyone's lesson coming along? So far mine have be thoroughly bad.

    Lesson 1 started at 05/12/15

    Lesson 1 - 3X
    Lesson 2 - 2X
    Lesson 3 - 1X
    Lesson 4 - 5X (tip for those who haven't done lesson 4. Focus on blindspot. 4pts X 3 almost die alr)
    Lesson 5 - 4X (5th one next week 29th 10am)

    Losing hope every time i have to retake a lesson. Sigh pie but still driven for my passion to ride.
    Hey! Welcome to the community! Just wanted to ask, for L4 have you EVER been penalised for the obstacle courses? (like never meet timing or wtv) or we only mainly get penalised due to blind spot, wobble, etc.?

    Anyway goodluck bro! I also doing L5 on 27th. I really envy your determination... If it was me, probably after the 3rd re-lesson I would've throw in the towel and give up haha.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Hey! Welcome to the community! Just wanted to ask, for L4 have you EVER been penalised for the obstacle courses? (like never meet timing or wtv) or we only mainly get penalised due to blind spot, wobble, etc.?

    Anyway goodluck bro! I also doing L5 on 27th. I really envy your determination... If it was me, probably after the 3rd re-lesson I would've throw in the towel and give up haha.


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    im having my L3 on 27th too ! what time is your lesson

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    Quote Originally Posted by SianShi View Post
    Hello guys, first post on this forum ever. How's everyone's lesson coming along? So far mine have be thoroughly bad.

    Lesson 1 started at 05/12/15

    Lesson 1 - 3X
    Lesson 2 - 2X
    Lesson 3 - 1X
    Lesson 4 - 5X (tip for those who haven't done lesson 4. Focus on blindspot. 4pts X 3 almost die alr)
    Lesson 5 - 4X (5th one next week 29th 10am)

    Losing hope every time i have to retake a lesson. Sigh pie but still driven for my passion to ride.
    Welcome welcome! dont ever lose hope.
    Take it as every repeated lesson, you are building up confidence, so you can 1 time clear the TP

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    Quote Originally Posted by lepergnome View Post
    im having my L3 on 27th too ! what time is your lesson
    10:20! You??


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    Quote Originally Posted by lepergnome View Post
    Welcome welcome! dont ever lose hope.
    Take it as every repeated lesson, you are building up confidence, so you can 1 time clear the TP
    Hehehe yeah thats what i tell myself always! Rather fail here than possibly meet an accident outside. I hope i can pass tp first try

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    Yea. The good habits carry over. Must practice until they become natural. Lots of maniacs driving on the road these days.

    For those who have already cleared 3(2) and above, if at any time your next lesson is more than a week later, you can consider taking an RC lesson while waiting. That way, you won't lose touch of the feel of riding and you can squeeze in extra practice. Practicing u-turn in the circuit (go plank, pylon, u-turn down the road and u-turn to plank again...) is much cheaper and more efficient too (edit: not a total substitute if you are not used to road conditions; if unfamiliar with lane changing or riding alongside real traffic, still better to have some RRs). And the best is - it's sheltered - no problem, whether rain or shine.

    RRs only give you a maximum of 4 u-turn tries on the road, then another 30 minutes or so in circuit. And it's more expensive.

    Also, it's very possible to pass the first time.

    And, mister.skudder: The instructors do watch for circuit techniques as well. In fact, one of the instructors is very strict on the courses during lesson 4. He is usually stationed at the plank. Not sure if anything's changed.

    Lesson 7 is more relaxing because it's only 1 instructor for the whole circuit portion, then 1-to-1 for road evaluation. The circuit instructors usually station at the course until all lesson 7 students clear it so they can't see what you do (or did not do) if you're too far away from them. Haha...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    10:20! You??


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    Finally passed class 2B today at SSDC at second attempt, after close to 6 months and a total of 56 lessons (excluding theory, including L1-L7, CR, RR). I thought I was going to need a new training booklet since it's almost filled up.

    Thanks for all seniors in singaporebikes forum for their advice and encouragement.

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    Hey congratz on your license bro!

    Anyway, I need help. I realised I booked a morning lesson for my FIRST lesson 5. Instructor said that I need book night lesson though but I completely forgot and booked morning lesson instead. What will happen if I went for the morning lesson?

    I try selling my L5 nw... Those who are at L5 and want book.. Sunday slot available ^^


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Hey congratz on your license bro!

    Anyway, I need help. I realised I booked a morning lesson for my FIRST lesson 5. Instructor said that I need book night lesson though but I completely forgot and booked morning lesson instead. What will happen if I went for the morning lesson?

    I try selling my L5 nw... Those who are at L5 and want book.. Sunday slot available ^^


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    Its fine but usually those that take in the morning are repeaters so you might cause them to lose warm up time due to breifing for first time. But its okay they wont mind. Instructors might ask why u nv book night lessons but its fine. Some instructors might let others practise while they breif you. Jiayou jiayou! Im going for my fifth lesson 5 this coming tuesday

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    Quote Originally Posted by SianShi View Post
    Its fine but usually those that take in the morning are repeaters so you might cause them to lose warm up time due to breifing for first time. But its okay they wont mind. Instructors might ask why u nv book night lessons but its fine. Some instructors might let others practise while they breif you. Jiayou jiayou! Im going for my fifth lesson 5 this coming tuesday
    Glad to hear that! But now I cant seem to cancel my trysell 😭 so everytime you go for lesson 5 confirm will have 1st timers ah?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Glad to hear that! But now I cant seem to cancel my trysell 😭 so everytime you go for lesson 5 confirm will have 1st timers ah?


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    Not say confirm la but genrally half the times have

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    Quote Originally Posted by SianShi View Post
    Not say confirm la but genrally half the times have
    NOOOOOOOO TRYSELL SUCCESSFUL LIAO. FAK NEXT AVAILABLE LESSON IS 8 APRIL?!?!


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    Wah lao I already waited 2 weeks for this lesson... In the end wait for 2 more weeks...


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Wah lao I already waited 2 weeks for this lesson... In the end wait for 2 more weeks...


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    Hahaha aiyoo! Nvm la morning quite crowded hard for first time and confusing. U go night time like 8pm slot its easier to grasp the general idea of lesson 5. Lessons 5 onwards the lessons get scarcer and scarcer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Hey congratz on your license bro!

    Anyway, I need help. I realised I booked a morning lesson for my FIRST lesson 5. Instructor said that I need book night lesson though but I completely forgot and booked morning lesson instead. What will happen if I went for the morning lesson?

    I try selling my L5 nw... Those who are at L5 and want book.. Sunday slot available ^^


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    Thanks from what i understand if you pass L5 in a morning lesson without going for night L5, you'll still have to book a night L5 later. Good luck and all the best!

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lepergnome View Post
    i find it quite hard to balance on plank...... any tips?
    For a start, just keep practising going over in normal speed. At least u can get through it without falling, then work on the timing.

    Body also dun be too stiff, relaxed. Cannot look too near as well, ur bike follows where ur eye goes.

    Once u get the hang of it, ur muscle memory is there, it gets really really easy.

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    L7, if kerna those fatherly instructor, and u appear to be confident, it's super easy to go through. My L7 instructor damn nice guy, when I know I kerna him, my confidence also up.

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    Lets see...

    Lesson 1 - 5 (Fifth lesson free of charge)
    Lesson 2 - 2
    Lesson 3(1) - 3
    Lesson 3(2) - 1
    Lesson 4 - 5
    Lesson 5 - 5

    Next up is lesson 6, but wanted to get a license ASAP because my course expire in late May and my NS enlistment is 10 days before my course expire. Talk about bad luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KirinXHell View Post
    Lets see...

    Lesson 1 - 5 (Fifth lesson free of charge)
    Lesson 2 - 2
    Lesson 3(1) - 3
    Lesson 3(2) - 1
    Lesson 4 - 5
    Lesson 5 - 5

    Next up is lesson 6, but wanted to get a license ASAP because my course expire in late May and my NS enlistment is 10 days before my course expire. Talk about bad luck.
    Yeah NS is such an obstacle My enlistment date is 12 April... havent even go for RTT yet... I see the dates are all on weekdays how to book out sia. And I'm only on L5. Havent even went for first L5.

    I think high chance you need to extend your course eh. Even if you managed to complete L7 by mid-April, TP is earliest mid-May. Probably need wait 1.5months for TP from what others have said though. Goodluck anyway


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    Quote Originally Posted by mister.skudder View Post
    Yeah NS is such an obstacle My enlistment date is 12 April... havent even go for RTT yet... I see the dates are all on weekdays how to book out sia. And I'm only on L5. Havent even went for first L5.

    I think high chance you need to extend your course eh. Even if you managed to complete L7 by mid-April, TP is earliest mid-May. Probably need wait 1.5months for TP from what others have said though. Goodluck anyway


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    its okay bro, i have met some of em still in NS, during weekday, take off pass to come out for practical lesson.
    it all goes down to your commander, if your commander is good and understanding, he will allow you to go for off for your practical lesson

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    Quote Originally Posted by FTW. View Post
    For a start, just keep practising going over in normal speed. At least u can get through it without falling, then work on the timing.

    Body also dun be too stiff, relaxed. Cannot look too near as well, ur bike follows where ur eye goes.

    Once u get the hang of it, ur muscle memory is there, it gets really really easy.
    noted bro, thanks. i already cleared that lesson even though i fell off the plank during the lesson.
    guess the instructor want to see if you appear confident enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lepergnome View Post
    noted bro, thanks. i already cleared that lesson even though i fell off the plank during the lesson.
    guess the instructor want to see if you appear confident enough?
    I think they believe that you will also take some time to go CR to strengthen your skills.

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    How come repeat so many lessons at #4 and #5? Feels like there are some fundamental issues?

    Quote Originally Posted by KirinXHell View Post
    Lets see...

    Lesson 1 - 5 (Fifth lesson free of charge)
    Lesson 2 - 2
    Lesson 3(1) - 3
    Lesson 3(2) - 1
    Lesson 4 - 5
    Lesson 5 - 5

    Next up is lesson 6, but wanted to get a license ASAP because my course expire in late May and my NS enlistment is 10 days before my course expire. Talk about bad luck.

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    Hi, does anyone knows what is lesson 3(ii) is about?

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