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    Dangerous Driving



    The Law – Section 64(1) of the Road Traffic Act Chapter 276 states:
    “If any person drives a motor vehicle on a road recklessly, or at a speed or in a manner which is dangerous to the public, having regard to all the circumstances of the case, including the nature, condition and use of the road, and the amount of traffic which is actually at the time, or which might reasonably be expected to be, on the road, he shall be guilty of an offence under this Act and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both, and in the case of a second or subsequent conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years or to both.”

    Section 64(2) of the Road Traffic Act states:
    “On the second or subsequent conviction under this section, the convicting court shall exercise the power conferred by section 42 of ordering that the offender shall be disqualified from holding or obtaining a driving licence unless the court, having regard to the lapse of time since the date of the previous or last previous conviction or for any other special reason, thinks fit to order otherwise, but this provision shall not be construed as affecting the right of the court to exercise the power aforesaid on a first conviction.”

    Section 64(4) of the Road Traffic Act states:
    “Any police officer may arrest without warrant any person committing an offence under this section.”


    Examples of Dangerous Driving

    a) Failure to conform to the Pedestrian Crossing Rules resulting in pedestrians taking evasive action by stopping abruptly in their tracks or ‘jumping back’ to avoid being collided into;
    b) Sped (exceeding speed limit by 20 kph) through a junction against the traffic red light signal resulting in other vehicles having to take evasive action to avoid a collision or a near collision;
    c) (1) Cutting across double white lines, or
    (2) Overtaking in the face of on-coming traffic,

    and forcing on-coming vehicles to take evasive action to avoid a collision or a near collision;

    d) Switching lanes repeatedly at speed well exceeding speed limit by 40 kph without signal or driving in a zigzagged manner at speed exceeding limit by 40 kph, and by so doing encroached into the path of vehicles resulting near collision with these vehicles;

    NOTE: These examples are merely illustrative. Every situation is assessed factually on a case-by-case basis and the evidence available.

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    The Law – Driving without due care and attention or reasonable consideration is prescribed for in Section 65 of the Road Traffic Act Chapter 276 which states:

    “If any person drives a motor vehicle on a road without due care and attention or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road, he shall be guilty of an offence under this Act and shall be liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to both, and in the case of a second or subsequent conviction to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months or to both.”

    There are two distinct offences under this section: careless driving (ie driving without due care and attention) and inconsiderate driving ( ie driving without reasonable consideration).

    Careless driving is furthermore prescribed under Rule 29, Road Traffic Rules, which states:

    “No vehicle shall be driven or ridden upon a road otherwise than in an orderly and careful manner with due regard for the safety of others.”

    Careless driving is punishable under Section 131(1A) Road Traffic Act Cap 276 which states:

    “A person who is guilty of an offence under this Act shall be liable on conviction, where no special penalty is provided in the case of the first offence, to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months and in the case of the second or subsequently offence to a fine not exceeding $2,000 or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 6 months.”


    Examples of careless driving

    a) A driver who whilst reversing failed to look behind him for possible traffic and almost caused a collision;
    b) A driver who crossed the centre white line when overtaking and failed to look towards the direction of oncoming vehicles as his attention was diverted;
    c) A driver has switched his turn left signal and makes a right turn. This caused confusion and panic to those motorists driving behind his vehicle.

    Examples of Inconsiderate Driving

    a) A driver when reversing looked back and saw an on-coming car but chose to ignore it. This is a selfish, inconsiderate thought and the offence becomes one of inconsiderate driving. In fact, it could as well be dangerous driving depending upon the circumstances;
    b) A driver overtook a car and crossed the centre white line knowing there was an oncoming vehicle on the other side and chose to ignore it. This again could also be inconsiderate or dangerous driving;
    c) A driver switched his indicator to change lanes and did it so soon resulting in forcing the vehicle behind him to apply its brakes to avoid a collision. This is an example of inconsiderate driving.

    More Common Examples of Inconsiderate Driving

    a) Swerving into the path of another vehicle without thought or regard for other road users thereby forcing them to take evasive action by applying brakes or swerving;
    b) Cutting across the path of another vehicle when executing a turn-right, left or ‘U’ turn;
    c) Failure of a driver in a vehicle emerging from a minor road to give way to vehicles on a major road especially at road junctions and causing vehicles to apply brakes or to slow down;
    d) Failure of a driver to give way to another vehicle on his right at an uncontrolled junction;
    e) Changing lanes or coming to an abrupt halt without prior warning thereby causing other vehicles to slow down or apply brakes;
    f) Failing to obey traffic light signals and causing a near collision;
    g) Failing to form up correctly and thereby causing a near collision or other drivers to take evasive action;
    h) Failing to conform to directional arrows and thereby causing traffic congestion or near collision;

    NOTE: These examples are merely illustrative. Every situation is assessed factually on a case-by-case basis and the evidence available.

     

     
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    Hi.

    Thanks for the info.

    How abt the de-merit points?

    How many for careless, inconsiderate and dangerous driving? And how many mths suspension of driving licence?
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    all these offences with such heavy penalties are done everyday...n yet we aren't able to do anything abt this.
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    wow, there seems to b so much info from u regarding traffic laws, u traffic cop??

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    ya drinking n riding veri dangerous, i got try b4

    even if u not seh, but your analytical skill or tinking might slow down...yr reaction not so gd also

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    all the laws in this country can be found in http://statues.agc.gov.sg

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    change lane abruptly and not even bother to give signal also are very common sightings.

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    law getting stricter by the day..
    cherish ur license..
    wanna be a daredevil..
    try it in our neighbouring country
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    Don't think he can do anything to you. By submitting your number plate to Uncle Sam, TP will just take notice and follow-up as a complain as the uncle u mentioned is not a Police Officer or something. Don't allow such stuff to dampen your mood, just ignore the guy and continue your life. If he thinks he's safe, maybe he should think again! Cheers!

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    yah i agree. s'pore law is more and more unreasonable liao le.. but also right lah, we r living in singapore. if the tp dun fine us, their pay come from where leh.. hahaha, last time i bought my bike and i was a hell rider on the road. ppl blow me i can follow all the way to that idiot house.. lolz but after some accidents and incidents i decided to be a safetly rider.. wanna be a hell rider pls go malaysia ba.. the road offence there is nth to us..



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    btw this law is "stupid" & doesnot apply .. unless u are caught red handed by tp or rather TB u can do whatever u like .... ie law is only for TB to **** riders NOT TO PROtect innocent riders ....

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    Y'all, I was involved in an accident with a drunkard on Friday night, close to midnight.

    I was travelling along Balestier road, towards Lavender road. As you all know, it's a 3 lane road, and I was abiding by the traffic speed limit of 50km/hr.

    About 3 car lengths away from me, was a Comfort taxi who kep accelerating, then deccelerating, as it always is, at night. So, as I was scared that he might just jam brake if a passenger was there, I filtered to the 1st lane to overtake him. I've been following the rules so far, as long as my short riding life has had.

    So, anyway, after I filtered lane, I noticed this Indian man in dark clothings dashing across the road. Immediately, I horned him, and applied my brakes. The indian man stopped in between the dotted lines of the 1st and 2nd lanes. I mean, seriously speaking, if a bloody vehicle horns you, it's to warn you that it's there. right? It's not as though my headlights weren't on or anything.

    BUT THEN!!!

    Just as I was about to by-pass this man, less than 1 car length away, he suddenly dashed out in front of me. 1 stride was all it took from him, to get us all into deep sh*t.

    The impact wasn't that strong, as he didn't fly or anything, but that's because of my low speed. My pillion and I suffered cuts and abrasions on all limbs (it's a darn sway thing that I had to wash my jeans and jacket hours before). The collision knocked the wind out of the pedestrian.

    I was the first to get up, and immediately checked on my pillion to make sure that she was ok. Next, I checked on the pedestrian, to check if he was ok. He was unconscious, and he REEKED of alcohol. Damnit man, you should have taken the pedestrian crossing, it was less than 50m away damnit!

    So, as soon as a crowd was formed, I got someone to call for an ambulance, and I called for the police. (though I know calling one would have been enough). As it was unlucky enough, there were CID officers conducting an investigation close by, and so they intervened. There were 6 SWAT officers as well, patrolling Balestier road, and they were there. Shortly after, the ambulance came, as well as 2 TPs. After stretchering the jaywalker off, the paramedics checked with us if he needed to go to the hospital. Then, they were mentioning that these drunkards are always like that, saying that it was the 2nd drunkard case that night itself.

    Now, I was cheesed off, as I am still.

    Firstly, I abided by the rules at all times, with the school's teachings still lodged in my brain. I never take the 1st lane, unless I need to overtake, or filter to turn right. I really try not to squeeze, even though it's a traffic jam, resulting in lots of horning from vehicles behind who think that I am taking up space. I didn't change lanes in the junction, I changed it after. I even checked to see if there were any cars behind, before signalling to change lanes. I saw that he was there, and I horned him. It was supposed to be fine thereafter.
    The result?

    Went to Ubi, and had to file a report. The IO was dulfully showing pity to me, but he said that rules were rules, and that I had to be charged with dangerous driving, which is utter nonsense! But anyway, I respect his decision, as it is not an easy one to make.

    The next morning, I went together with my pillion to the polyclinic to get ourselves dressed up by the nurses, then we had to go to IDAC, and my motordiam. Tmr, I have to head over to the lawyer's side to get them to claim that sorry ass.

    No, I don't really want to claim against him, as I am 70% sure that he will just declare himself bankrupt, and I can jolly well just go fly kite.

    But then again, who gives a sh*t if he is declared a bankrupt. I just want to clear my name. Hey, 24 points for dangerous driving is a heck of an offence, even more so as I only have 12 points.

    However, I am pretty confident that the IO will be able to charge the pedestrian instead of me, going by the investigations. Heck, I've even got witnesses.

    The procedures following the accident is worse than the accident itself.

    I'm cheesed off!
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    sashie, do u work in an insurance claim company?....if u r...i think i m the ambulance officer tt went for the case....haha...the pillion ur gf right?
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    woooh ok ... well true becareful when horn at pedestrain they get MORE BLURRR STAND N STARE AT U hehe.... panick let us know what happen after that ... ?

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    eh sashie.. or anyone.. the offence u(sashie) made was travelling at lane1 when other lane is avaliable and not overtaking..? cos u said u were travelling within the speedlimit.. so i've got this question..

    is travelling in lane1, when
    1-other lanes r avaliable,
    2-not overtaking,
    3-not jams,
    an offence?


    cos sometime, esp at nite, expressways and any roads with 2 or more lanes and all lanes are empty, aso cannot travel in the outermost right lane ar..?


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    hmm i kena reckless driving already sept 05 at grange road.

    Scenario was road was clear and was travelling at extreme right lane. Then change mind to travel extreme left.Check blindspot on signal and decided to turn left insted. Nearest car was 2 lamp post away. One shot swing all lanes. Had the privelage of being escorted by 3 TP officers behind the car.

    Offence was one shot change lane. Curse him in my heart and had to accept the summon. Appeal turned out unsuccessful.

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    All vehicles should have video recording devices attached to the front and at the back. This will allow us to get evidence of dangerous driving/riding. Usually it happened so quickly that we are unable to recall the details.

    Since I started riding on Farrer road two weeks ago, I've seen some high speed weaving in and out with very little space tolerance.

    [code]
    lane 1 A -+ B
    V ^
    lane 2 C -+
    [/code]

    Car A was in lane 1 (the faster lane), car B didn't give way, so car A overtook using lane 2. The distance car B and C is very short. I thought car C would brake, but it didn't. Car A then accelerated, overtook car B and lane changed in front of it, again with very little space clearance.

    Skilful, maybe, but definitely dangerous.
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    kanna court for careless driving.
    checked the net and thought max is $1000 fine.

    turns out that judge can still give disqualification.
    kanna 3 months disqualification as the pedestrain's injury was quite bad.
    13 days hospitalisation and 161 days MC.
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    Hi, ppl out there, i know through here can know alot of information on the road. on the 20/11/2006 my bike was laid up. on the 21/11/2006 my bike was on the road and get caught by the ROV. And yet i don't have license. plus i got home probation cos of civil case. wat will it be the worst out come for my case? Will i be sentence to jail? Wat thing can help me now? i'm very lost. i really dunno wat to do. guys please help me.

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    Originally posted by illusion@November 21, 2006 11:52 pm
    Hi, ppl out there, i know through here can know alot of information on the road. on the 20/11/2006 my bike was laid up. on the 21/11/2006 my bike was on the road and get caught by the ROV. And yet i don't have license. plus i got home probation cos of civil case. wat will it be the worst out come for my case? Will i be sentence to jail? Wat thing can help me now? i'm very lost. i really dunno wat to do. guys please help me.
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    Friend.. Not worth it lah.. I also got hiong before.. ride for a good 4 mths before getting my license.. I also rode a laid up bike.. Kena sure tear backside left right centre one man.. But then all you can do is pray and try to give them a sob story.
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    Wonder if this is the latest

    NEW PRICE LIST FROM THE TRAFFIC POLICE


    All Drivers:

    Be careful on the road. It's not cheap.

    Speeding:

    Exceeding 1 - 20km/h = $130 + 4 demerit points.

    Exceeding 21 - 30km/h = $150 + 6 demerit points.

    Exceeding 31 - 40km/h = $180 + 8 demerit points.

    Exceeding 41 - 50km/h = >$200 + 12 demerit points + Court.

    Exceeding 51 - 60km/h = >$200 + 18 demerit points + Court.

    Exceeding >61km/h = >$200 + 24 demerit points + Court.

    Careless driving = $150 + 6 demerit Points.

    Inconsiderate Driving = $170 + 9 Demerit Points + Court.

    Dangerous Driving = >$200 + 24 Demerit Points + Court + Vehicle Compounded.

    Illegal Racing = >$200 + Vehicle Confiscate + Court.

    Fail to put Seat Belt = $120 + 3 demerit points.

    Crossing Double White lines = $130 + 4 points.

    Phone and Drive = $200 + 12 demerit point + Phone Confiscate. Do not hold your hp in your hand when you drive even with loud speaker or ear piece.



    Drink Driving

    For first offence. = Up to $5000 Fine And, or jail Term + License Suspended + Court.

    2nd time offence = Jail term + Fine + Court.



    Other offences

    Making an illegal U Turn when there ' s no U Turn sign = $70.

    Fail to Signal when changing lanes = $70.

    Driving at night without headlights or taillights switch on after 7pm = $30.

    No Number Plate = $70.

    Obstructed Number Plate = $70.

    Obscured Number Plate = $70.

    Number Plate Of Unapproved Type = $70.

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    wow really have 2 watch my ass
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    Originally posted by BaaBaa Black Sheep@May 07, 2007 12:16 pm
    Driving at night without headlights or taillights switch on after 7pm = $30.
    if it applies 2 motorcycles, its everytime u ride. kena b4 $30.

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    Originally posted by Nitez86@August 14, 2005 06:08 pm
    yah i agree. s'pore law is more and more unreasonable liao le.. but also right lah, we r living in singapore. if the tp dun fine us, their pay come from where leh.. hahaha, last time i bought my bike and i was a hell rider on the road. ppl blow me i can follow all the way to that idiot house.. lolz but after some accidents and incidents i decided to be a safetly rider.. wanna be a hell rider pls go malaysia ba.. the road offence there is nth to us..
    erm... can we report any dangerous driving act to TP

    yesterday when i on ECP towards jurong, 1 silver SUV driven by ANGMO keep high beaming me on the extreme right lane near the rochor road exit where there got camera.

    so i was on 3 lane travelling at 80km.h.

    this idiot keep high beam and then overtake me after the slope and showed me his middle centre!!!

    ang mo got privilege? or they not scared summon cos their licence easy get or filty rich.
    think he is an expat, driving company car. car plate SGK45*8
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    I see from your history of road usage, you've been quite a driver yourself too. I guess looking at things from a driver's point of view, here is my opinion.

    Firstly, I think you are refering to the lane 1 (extreme right/overtaking lane). The lane 1 should be meant for overtaking, regardless of how fast you are going, you should give way to faster oncoming vehicles. E.g. You go 180km/h, you give way to oncoming vehicle @ 200km/h.

    Secondly, if you have ridden and driven so many bikes/cars before, you should understand that there is a speedo error between small bikes and big bikes/cars. If you are travelling at 80, your peugeot shud be going at 65~70 only.

    HOWEVER, that joker is still being a jackass for showing you the middle finger. You can sue him for insults or attempts to disrupt peace. You can report dangerous road behaviour to the TP, but, I don't think that is dangerous driving. Just bad attitude.

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    have u even seen character in the movie saying :"law? i am the law!".

    I presume the movies are trying to say that the law book is written in such a manner that it all depend on the upholder.

    p/s: most law are written in the benefit of the upholder too.

    just a presonal feeling thinking aloud.

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    Laws are to protect the peace and safety of road users. If there is no law, I don't think we can go from place to place without a scratch? Besides, you can always report inconsiderate drivers/dangerous drivers to TP. I'm sure they will be able to handle. My friend just kena $130+4points because somebody complain that he is outside of the Waiting box to turn right. Stupid, but true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZzGaNgStErzZ View Post
    if it applies 2 motorcycles, its everytime u ride. kena b4 $30.
    eh bros!! riding w/o headlight on after 7pm seriously kena $30 onli izit?

    den how come juz now i kena stop by TP he say fine $50???

    is the $30 fine d ryt one??

    is there any chances of winning an appeal against this kind of summon??

    i'm seriously in desperate measures siak.. shitto!
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    dangerous driving /riding only 12 demerit points/$200
    24 demerit points only if you exceed speed limit of the road by 60km/hr/court case for speeding offence not dangerous or careless

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnayed View Post
    I see from your history of road usage, you've been quite a driver yourself too. I guess looking at things from a driver's point of view, here is my opinion.

    Firstly, I think you are refering to the lane 1 (extreme right/overtaking lane). The lane 1 should be meant for overtaking, regardless of how fast you are going, you should give way to faster oncoming vehicles. E.g. You go 180km/h, you give way to oncoming vehicle @ 200km/h.

    Secondly, if you have ridden and driven so many bikes/cars before, you should understand that there is a speedo error between small bikes and big bikes/cars. If you are travelling at 80, your peugeot shud be going at 65~70 only.

    HOWEVER, that joker is still being a jackass for showing you the middle finger. You can sue him for insults or attempts to disrupt peace. You can report dangerous road behaviour to the TP, but, I don't think that is dangerous driving. Just bad attitude.
    can report
    but how 2support our claim
    n wat can TP do?
    send him 4moral education
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    Hey guys i kena a offence for careless driving last sunday morning at cte near amk ave 1 there.

    I was going to change lane, i signal, check blindspot and change, a TP was behind me all the way and then he stop me after i change my lane.. ok i stop along with him as i tot he wanted to only check whether i'm the owner of my bike and stuff.

    So he ask for my license and ic and then i gave him and he started saying i did all the things i needed to while changing lane and say i change too fast, not giving allowance to the car and thus the car have to brake to avoid a collision which i think is damn ridiculous man. then he say with that he is gg to charge me 150 bucks n 6 demerit points. walao i'm damn speechless la then i just blur blur accept it and rode off. scali later i then remember that driver was talking on the phone while driving lo... i didnt tell the TP becos i damn speechless and blur liao. early in the morning tio this kinda of thing confirm stun one lo. then 1 thing v strange is the TP keep saying is a TAXI while i remember clearly its a gray car, probably nissan or toyota, not taxi cconfirm 100% chop chop.. then they send letter to my house liao, was wondering if i could write a appeal letter to TP or must lan lan suck thumb?

    What would be u guy's comment?

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    strange encounter.. i feel that it is hard to appeal. hmm good luck to u.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sheep View Post
    Exceeding 41 - 50km/h = >$200 + 12 demerit points + Court.

    Exceeding 51 - 60km/h = >$200 + 18 demerit points + Court.

    Exceeding >61km/h = >$200 + 24 demerit points + Court.

    Careless driving = $150 + 6 demerit Points.

    Inconsiderate Driving = $170 + 9 Demerit Points + Court.

    Dangerous Driving = >$200 + 24 Demerit Points + Court + Vehicle Compounded.

    Illegal Racing = >$200 + Vehicle Confiscate + Court.
    Found my answer on http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/
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    im now a p plate. can any1 tell mi if i kanna points already, den this august will start my 24 points right? den will the points still carry on after august after i start my 24 points? or it will just restart 24 points by itself?

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    can i ask something.. if ur riding. and ur pillion is someone who jus had quite an amount of alcohol. if kenna road block. will have anything happen to the rider? the rider never drink at all. but pillion drank a little. perhaps face red or something.. anything will happen to the rider or not? like kenna fine? or demerit points? or wad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YyuAnN View Post
    can i ask something.. if ur riding. and ur pillion is someone who jus had quite an amount of alcohol. if kenna road block. will have anything happen to the rider? the rider never drink at all. but pillion drank a little. perhaps face red or something.. anything will happen to the rider or not? like kenna fine? or demerit points? or wad?
    This one i dunno. But i know that when the pillon is drunk is damn hard to ride. Once my pillon was drunk and i swear i wished i had not picked her up. She kept slumping over and i had to use my left hand to make sure she does not drop from the bike. 100% sure if kana tahan by TP confirm tio one. I think the condition of the pillon will affect your riding and if your riding is badly affected i can understand if dangerous driving will be on the cards.

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    Hi, i was a pillion on my fren's bike, she was travelling on 3rd lane until we came to a T-junction,
    and a car travelling very fast on the second lane suddenly swerved into our lane and turned left w/o signal left
    and our bike almost banged into the car. We were less than a feet away from the car door! But luckily my friend managed
    to brake in time. 2 other bikes from behind managed to give chase to the escaping car to stop the driver.
    Upon questioning the driver, he said "he saw us on the left lane and presumed that we are turning left and didnt
    pay attention to us while turning and was looking somewhere else".
    I thought this was very inconsiderate of him. What happen if we
    couldnt stopped in time? I can't imagine what would be the consequences. TP came down and advised us to make a report at
    the nearest police post if we wish to persude the matters. As a result of the incident, i am having a very bad Stiff Neck and
    sprain shoulder and wrist. I would like to ask if it is advisable to persude the matters? As I hope he will get his lesson learn
    and also claim for my medical fees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rac24 View Post
    Hi, i was a pillion on my fren's bike, she was travelling on 3rd lane until we came to a T-junction,
    and a car travelling very fast on the second lane suddenly swerved into our lane and turned left w/o signal left
    and our bike almost banged into the car. We were less than a feet away from the car door! But luckily my friend managed
    to brake in time. 2 other bikes from behind managed to give chase to the escaping car to stop the driver.
    Upon questioning the driver, he said "he saw us on the left lane and presumed that we are turning left and didnt
    pay attention to us while turning and was looking somewhere else".
    I thought this was very inconsiderate of him. What happen if we
    couldnt stopped in time? I can't imagine what would be the consequences. TP came down and advised us to make a report at
    the nearest police post if we wish to persude the matters. As a result of the incident, i am having a very bad Stiff Neck and
    sprain shoulder and wrist. I would like to ask if it is advisable to persude the matters? As I hope he will get his lesson learn
    and also claim for my medical fees?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yatz86 View Post
    hmm i kena reckless driving already sept 05 at grange road.

    Scenario was road was clear and was travelling at extreme right lane. Then change mind to travel extreme left.Check blindspot on signal and decided to turn left insted. Nearest car was 2 lamp post away. One shot swing all lanes. Had the privelage of being escorted by 3 TP officers behind the car.

    Offence was one shot change lane. Curse him in my heart and had to accept the summon. Appeal turned out unsuccessful.

    Demerit Points: 6
    Fine: $150 + scolding from owner


    lets give him the benefit of the doubt but there indeed many drivers out there who so called checked or stil try their luck thinking they would be faster. a min saved by them can caused a month for us in cast - that is if we are lucky enough. as i mourn a friend's death from avoiding a car crashin into a lamp himself. who fault is it? there were no collision in between them.imgine e pain of e parent imagine it can happen to someone close to u

    go up the woods often eventually u meet e tiger

    so lets spread the message of what such "inconsideration/wasnt thinking" can do.

    jus bcos those Jb bikes past by u with only ten cm to spare doesnt mean all bikes wouldnt be surprised by u resulting in accident when u zip past or overtake like hamilton

    even them pay great attention to other road user when they are not on the track

    during my working hours, i can take taxis to appointments, often i would take the chances to tell e uncles i rather be late for tat one min.

    lets spread the message
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    Can anyone advise on any law which may prevent us bikers from naming and shaming careless, dangerous car/van/truck drivers here on this site.
    I was nearly taken out by a Toyota Camry today on Bras Basar Road, when he stopped at the next lights I knocked on his window to ask why he nearly knocked me off my bike by squeezing me across the lane, he started to lower his window but had second thoughts and tried to ignore me then drove off.
    I would like to see a list of license plates for careless dangerous drivers published daily in the Straits Times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grease Nipple View Post
    Can anyone advise on any law which may prevent us bikers from naming and shaming careless, dangerous car/van/truck drivers here on this site.
    I was nearly taken out by a Toyota Camry today on Bras Basar Road, when he stopped at the next lights I knocked on his window to ask why he nearly knocked me off my bike by squeezing me across the lane, he started to lower his window but had second thoughts and tried to ignore me then drove off.
    I would like to see a list of license plates for careless dangerous drivers published daily in the Straits Times.

    try stompers.. take a photo next time.
    e police shouldnt be obsesse with drink driving n speeding.
    i can imagine more accident due to reckless n inconsiderate drivers/riders
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    Quote Originally Posted by daniellovestodance View Post
    try stompers.. take a photo next time.
    e police shouldnt be obsesse with drink driving n speeding.
    i can imagine more accident due to reckless n inconsiderate drivers/riders
    woah ! Stomp. Duno when our face will appear.
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    Useful link.....

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    I was almost totaled by a very inconsiderate and aggressive driver while commuting to work this morning.

    I would like to file a non-accident traffic violation report - but what good does it do?

    For those who have reported near-misses before, how aggressively are they pursued by the authorities?

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    INFORMATION ON "NON ACCIDENT TRAFFIC VIOLATION REPORT"

    I inquiried with Traffic Police the other day. If you were involved with a nasty "close encounter" with a dangerous rider or driver, here is what you need to do, in order to get TP on the case. If you are able to write a good report, TP -will- look into the case promptly.

    This is what you need:

    I refer to your preceding email.

    Please be informed that members of public may report traffic violations by
    providing the following information:
    1. The date, time and location of the offence;
    2. The full registration number of the vehicle(s) involved;
    3. The nature of the offence;
    4. Your full particulars (name, address, NRIC and contact numbers);
    5. Your confirmation of willingness to testify in court should the
    offender(s) dispute the offence; and
    6. Clear images (photos/video) and/or particulars of independent
    witness(es).

    If there are photos/videos and the file size is large (e.g. greater than 5
    mb), members of public are encouraged to burn them onto a cd and send in to
    the following address with the above information:
    Traffic Police
    Violations Investigation Team
    10 Ubi Avenue 3
    Singapore 408865

    There is no need for submission via MS word. Members of public can also
    send in the information to SPF_Feedback_TP@spf.gov.sg . Upon receiving the
    information, we will forward them to our Violations Investigation Team for
    their follow up.

    We hope the above clarifies. Thank you and have a nice day.

    Regards


    [name removed] / Service Quality Branch / Traffic Police Department
    Please reserve this only as a last resort and if you have supporting evidence. Best is to mount a handphone camera on a front-facing mount on your bike like I do for my youtube music videos. Handphone cameras these days are good enough to spot number plates up to 20m away, and can capture motion very well. Some cheap business phones like the Nokia E63 can also record for up to 5 hours, giving you excellent video protection for insurance purposes.

    Remember, if you do a verbal complaint the other driver, knowing local culture, will create a cock and bull story for a delaying action. They will never admit liability. With video evidence however... remember you have a great technological advantage because in this part of the world, few riders and drivers have permanent camera mounts for security.

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    If got no proof, ie video, pics etc, it's your word against the other driver. I think TP will at least send a letter to the 'defendant' to drive safely next time. I should know. I received a letter from TP advising me to take better care when driving. Heck, I dun even know how that even came about??!! Never bothered to check with TP wats goin on. I dun see the point..
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    any one pls help n advise on what to do?
    yesterday on the 19/01/11 as i was proceeding to ECP from AYE theres this SAAB car trying to squeeze in to my lane as i was riding straight ahead on the 3rd lane i think, then i kept horning to the car but still he goes in, out of natural reaction i raise my leg n it hit his car then he move away, but he didnt move away for good, he overtake through the right another car infornt of him then goes into my lane again n try to run me down again by the side. so we decided to go to the SH to stop n so called settle the dispute but he came to my bike n suddenly took my key from the ignition with out my permission. that started the fight as i goes up to him and try to snatch my key back but he still dont wanna let go. he chocked me, i punch him n stuff, then a passer by came to stop us n called the police, went to cantonment to report then the IO told me it considered under road rage because we fight with each other. n said most likely license will be taken. i need my license sia for me, he is a road bully n then provoking to pick a fight wit me by taking my property with out my permission and ending up my license suffer. if i had speed off and dont stop at the SH may b we didnt fight but if he report that i hit n run then that would b another story. so should i report to the TP of non - accident dangerous driving from him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heidee View Post
    any one pls help n advise on what to do?
    yesterday on the 19/01/11 as i was proceeding to ECP from AYE theres this SAAB car trying to squeeze in to my lane as i was riding straight ahead on the 3rd lane i think, then i kept horning to the car but still he goes in, out of natural reaction i raise my leg n it hit his car then he move away, but he didnt move away for good, he overtake through the right another car infornt of him then goes into my lane again n try to run me down again by the side. so we decided to go to the SH to stop n so called settle the dispute but he came to my bike n suddenly took my key from the ignition with out my permission. that started the fight as i goes up to him and try to snatch my key back but he still dont wanna let go. he chocked me, i punch him n stuff, then a passer by came to stop us n called the police, went to cantonment to report then the IO told me it considered under road rage because we fight with each other. n said most likely license will be taken. i need my license sia for me, he is a road bully n then provoking to pick a fight wit me by taking my property with out my permission and ending up my license suffer. if i had speed off and dont stop at the SH may b we didnt fight but if he report that i hit n run then that would b another story. so should i report to the TP of non - accident dangerous driving from him?
    see the kick mark on his car, if got trial of going backwards, good, cos it show he's coming towards u very close.

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