Taekwondo

[Lightning]

I feel TKD actually nt a gd form of self defence.

at most to keep fit train reflexes...

WonDer whiCh marTial ArtS is the bEst 4 self-dEfence??

i was thinkin maybe boxing or Judo(can slam ppl hahah)???

 

Judo only slam ppl...

boxing only punch ppl...

TKD can kick, slam, punch, thrust, hook, throw, n many many more with the skills of unarmed combat learnt in its course.

dun play play with TKD...

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

i thought tkd mostly kicking...punching only...gt slam & throw ppl also??

i mean...any martial art can becom Gd SelF deFenCe if e guy using it is BiG,fit & stRong. very little skills used leh..but maybe like JuDo which maybe small size can win BiG size,than is really call skill..

tts wat i feel lah..

[Lightning]

then i think u are wrong.

all martial arts are the same, toking abt how to attack the vulnerable spots on the human body.

anyway the singapore army uses TKD as their unarmed combat training.

So how useful do u think it is now?

[L3mOn]

wow...watch the pro tok...haha

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

then i think u are wrong.

all martial arts are the same, toking abt how to attack the vulnerable spots on the human body.

anyway the singapore army uses TKD as their unarmed combat training.

So how useful do u think it is now?

Now? still nt sure..maybe aft learning NS's unarmed combat lor..haha

[Lightning]

yeah...

but now TKD is becoming more of a sport than a martial art...

this is due to the addition of this item as an official sport of the olympics.

[auc]

U can check out Wingchun and Hapkido. I find they are alot better for SD than the TKD I see being taught nowadays. The wingchun instructor I know teaches ground fighting and Muay Thai as well. The Hapkido at Geylang teaches not only Hapkido, but Jeet Kune Do and TkD too. In fact, some consider hapkido as a proression from TKD (in the past, korean warriors have to reach 1st Dan TKD before they can start on hapkido).

 

When looking out for a SD instructor, ask the following questions:

 

1) Does the instructor cover all ranges of combat incl ground?

 

2) Does the instructor know abt awareness and urban ambushes/setups?

 

3) Does he teach improvised weaponry?

 

4) Is basic medical skills for treatment of self covered too (ie handle truma injury)?

 

5) What are the sparring rules? (avoid those who restrict sparring only to standup or does not allow hits to the back or head. Makes it too unrealistic)

 

Don't be blinded by how high the person's Dan is or how many gold medals they have. A high dan simply means he/she has been in the same martial art for a long time and gold medals mean they are good sportsman. Though I have wiped the floor with 3rd dans sparring non TKD rules, I have also been scrapped up with a spatula sparring with a green belt. Before you invest time in taking up an art, bring a friend who knows what its like to do it for real in the streets. Kinda like a newbie buying hia first bike, there are alot of ppl clubs out there who dun deliver what is promised Hope this helps.

[Lightning]

I agree that there are other martial arts that possess good self defence techniques.

But if u r talking abt weaponary, i believe ninja-do will be of a better choice. but i dun think that it is possible to carry a shuang jie gun around are even a sword.

Ambush are often unknown to the victim n it can happen anywhere and anytime. But we do can prevent n protect ourselves from surprise attacks from behind.

Jeet-kun-do is a very vicious martial art founded by bruce lee. it includes the poking of eyes n other despicable moves. But it is good for street fights though.

Another thing is that Martial arts are practice for a healthy lifestyle, n very seldom it is used as a martial art itself.

There is one saying that goes: if u dun disturb ppl, ppl wun disturb u, vice-versa.

[auc]

Hi lightning, I disagree that you cannot foresee an ambush. Cos in every violent encounter (except if the perp is insane or drunk), the attacker will size up the potential victim and get into an ambush position before the actual assault. There are certain cues and signals which you can catch prevent a surprise attack.

 

As for ninja-do, unless you plan to carry a samurai sword or sticks with you whenever you go, its a waste of time. Even if you do, ninja-do does not include weapon sparring and only do drills with them so again, not practical at all.

 

JKD is not despicable, its effective. Anyway, JKD is only a concept, not an art in itself. The eye pokes and other such damaging moves sometimes is the only way for a weaker victim to fend off a larger and trained attacker. I should know cos the last time I sparred with a smaller opponent, he only won cos when grabbed my nuts (BTW, a larger/taller opponent tend not to cover the lower body, so the nuts, knees, ankles are very suscepticle to attack).

 

I put in this stuff cos I thought the first poster was interested in learning martial arts for SD, not just as a sport or a healthy lifestyle. If its the latter, then sorry cos what I said becomes irrelevant. BTW, the dun disturb ppl and ppl dun disturb you only applies if you are talking abt fighting due to ego (ie staring incidents). Do you think this applies to robbery and rape?

 

Not trying to rattle anybody here, just wanna help by pointing out that the difference between martial sports, martial arts and self-defence. I think lightning will agree with me that TKD nowadays is more sports than martial art or self defence. The only ones I know who do TKD as a martial art are already in their 30's at least. The new generation are trained with the olympics as a focus.

[Lightning]

thats definitely true that TKD has become more of a sport than a martial art but it still has it part to do in self defence.

i always believe that someone who has some form of martial arts background (no matter which one) will be able to defend him or herself better. Agreeable?

i also believe that the precautions that u have stated in the above applies to those instructors and coaches who are unscrupulous n only think of earning the money of their students... those who have a sense of dignity, and a sense of righteousness will go all out to protect their students welfare by setting up precautions.

[auc]

Hmm, the usefulness of learning just any martial arts for self-defence is questionable. What I find is that those gals without prior martial arts training do not have any hangups about 'vicious' move such as eye gorging and nut cracking. On the other hand, those with prior training tend to want to revert back to sparring rules (ie no hitting the kidneys or spine, no joint attacks, etc). Just a few years back, a female black belt in karate (back in the days when karate was less a sport than it is now) was raped and killed new woodlands MRT. The problem was that she was falsely confident in her ability to defend herself and did not take the neccessary precautions or training to prevent a grappling attack (almost all MA teach how to break a hold or grapple but few teach what to do when you are brought to the ground). Its argueable that training in martial arts is better than no training at all, considering that MA training gives one a aura of confidence as opposed to a victim aura, yet is in reality not really trained enough to defeat even a common Beng

 

An unscrupulous instructor and one who mistake their training in sports as self defence is almost as bad. Sad to say, most instructors have been trained in martial sports yet try to pass it off as self defence (cos their instructors told them so).

 

A proper self defence program actually deals very little with fighting, focus being on criminal psychology, de-escalation, recognising dangers, etc. Fighting is the absolute last resort, as an attacker will almost always be superior in strength/training/etc (after all, criminals are bullies who always look for weaker victims).

 

Hey, how about meeting up for kopi for those who are interested in martial arts? We can talk about martial arts (which I know abit about) and bikes (which I know precisely nil)

[Lightning]

haha...

but i still feel that TKd is more of an all-rounder in the MA arena, compared to wushu or other MA.

lets not argue anymore or it will turn into a fight... hehe...

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

Hey auc..wa u professional or wat? how come u noe so much of those terms etc. of martial arts? haha.like some old MA guru

i suspect u type out frm some MA books

haha juz joking

BTW which sect do u come frm??

[auc]

Hmmm, TKD as taught nowadays is definitely not all rounder. Unless your particular club also allows head punches, throws, locks and grappling during sparring, in which case I have nothing to say

 

Hi ah-yong, do you know that your nick is what my relatives call me How I wish that what I say was just copied from a book.... That will save me alot of pain and suffering over the years I dun belong to a sect. But currrently learning Cho-Ga Wing Chun. How about you guys?

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

Hmmm, TKD as taught nowadays is definitely not all rounder. Unless your particular club also allows head punches, throws, locks and grappling during sparring, in which case I have nothing to say

 

Hi ah-yong, do you know that your nick is what my relatives call me How I wish that what I say was just copied from a book.... That will save me alot of pain and suffering over the years I dun belong to a sect. But currrently learning Cho-Ga Wing Chun. How about you guys?

True..but i think in singapore which MA club will allow such "effective" self-defence skills to be practised?? INtroducing to e members such "vicious" methods maybe still possible la..but let it be in PRACTISE??

I think lots of members will be already seriously injured or even crippled by e time they actually learn e skills

wat more e almightly GOVT here surely object..

but AUC...looks like u hav matsered them leh..care to SHARE how u did it??

[auc]

I dun believe one can say to master a technique unless you can make it work 100% of the time.

 

Anyway, such techniques are not for eveyone. But surprisingly it rather easy to learn given the right equipment and mindset. I started out in TKD and then during army sparred with diff ppl from diff arts using minimal rules. From there I found my training woefully inadequte when it comes to punching, throwing and grappling. It was from then I went to find ways to supplement my training. Then I went on to learn abt multiple opponent drills. What I found out is that being good at self-defence and yet also become a tournament fighter is very different. There are very few ppl I know who can be good at both, and these guys are already ah peks who have been training for decades There is alot of reading to do too oon psycology and emergency medcine. Its takes alot of time to be competent in it and its not for those who like to get medals.

 

For defence against knives, I used real knifes for drills. You will be surprised as how it changes the feel of a simple disarm drill. Then for free sparring one will be armed with a plastic knife against a bare hand attacker. It will result in multiple superficial cuts but its better to bleed in training than in the rral thing..

[auc]

Anyway, what art are you learning now?

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

Nothing..haha

[auc]

Well, let me know if you are interested to start in one

[Guest ^Ah_yonG^]

Well, let me know if you are interested to start in one

going in NS learning unarmed combat soon..haha

any killer moves intro?? then i can shock e instructor..hehe

[Guest koyok]

Well, let me know if you are interested to start in one

going in NS learning unarmed combat soon..haha

any killer moves intro?? then i can shock e instructor..hehe

 

Shock the instructor? More like the instructor will shock you ("KNN want to show off si bo? Knock it down knock it down knock it down!")

[Hondanohito]

Lightining, how much for personal training ah?

 

30+ year old can ornot?

 

Muahahaha!!! ITGuy! Who do you want to defense against?

[Hondanohito]

going in NS learning unarmed combat soon..haha

any killer moves intro?? then i can shock e instructor..hehe

 

He'll make sure that you do break fall until you tolong ah~!

[auc]

Not a good idea to show up your unarm combat instructor unless you have a very good reason Anyway, trying to learn martial arts online is like trying to learn to swim vie the internet

[ZecHs]

haha...

but i still feel that TKd is more of an all-rounder in the MA arena, compared to wushu or other MA.

lets not argue anymore or it will turn into a fight... hehe...

 

tkd focus on speed... but personally i dun find it quite all rounder

i'm intrested to learn akido....anyone teachin

 

btw..i was from tkd acd reached black belt stop liaoz.....