Woopa!! Cbr1000rr Riders

[chilly]

Tashi you should try the FP60.Before i use this product i did a cleaning of my carbon coated baffle.I cleaned it until it looks as good as new.After 3 times usage of FP60,i removed the exhaust baffle last week & to my surprised there was no carbon/soot on it ! It is as good as the time i cleaned it.Recommended product

[ANR Impex]

No offence chilly. I have hayabusa users who are very happy with the oils too. I am trying to understand what makes an oil feel 'good' to the user and what variables come into play, you guys are a source of valuable input. I learn much more from criticism than praise and I don't have much criticism to work on most of the time.

[Tashi]

Impex (sorry, I actually called you Ampex earlier, heh), viscosity is one thing. I believe the kind of additives that go into the oil plays an important role in the running smoothness of the engine.

 

Extra could be thick, maybe it doesn't have the right blend of additives (corrosion inhibitors, friction modifiers, acid neutralizers ...) to make it last past 1k? After 1k, it really feels like water. Gear shifting is rough, engine vibrates more, it just feels rough. I had so many bottles of them, I was changing them every 3000+ km just so I could waste them and move onto something else.

 

"Churning butter" is a metaphor I used to express how smooth the engine felt. Sorry if it sounded misleading, I didn't mean to associate that with viscosity.

 

Hey, I think you're right about giving the oil some mileage to come to maximum smoothness. The Ultra has done some 200 over km now. I think it may be starting to churn butter!

 

I will hold back my Ultra review till the next oil change. It does have that kind of Extra roughness when I first had it.

 

My dealer did tell me once, I maybe telling it the wrong way, but it goes something like, he knew this Japanese racer (it could be a Banghra racer???) who swears by thinner oils. The modern sportsbike engines have very tight clearances, and thin oils are able to squeeze pass those clearances to offer better protection right from the start.

 

Anyway, thank you for taking time to listen to our feedback.

[Tashi]

Originally posted by chilly@Apr 14 2006, 01:03 AM

Tashi you should try the FP60.Before i use this product i did a cleaning of my carbon coated baffle.I cleaned it until it looks as good as new.After 3 times usage of FP60,i removed the exhaust baffle last week & to my surprised there was no carbon/soot on it ! It is as good as the time i cleaned it.Recommended product

Ey hello! Ampex was the one who gave me a sample bottle of FP60 to try and I shared one dosage with you. How can I not know about FP60?

[Tashi]

Guys, if Abang Chilly recommends a product, you all better buy! Hahaha.

[Tashi]

I'm gonna be riding to KL in a couple of hours time, let's see what Ultraman is made of.

[chilly]

Going to KL alone or with the 'ang mo' ?

[dean_pedrosa]

Originally posted by Tashi@Apr 14 2006, 01:38 AM

Guys, if Abang Chilly recommends a product, you all better buy! Hahaha.

[dean_pedrosa]

Originally posted by Tashi@Apr 14 2006, 01:41 AM

I'm gonna be riding to KL in a couple of hours time, let's see what Ultraman is made of.

Have a safe trip man!

 

Hoped tat u wld hav a great tyme.....

[ANR Impex]

Tashi, I must disagree with your interpretation of how viscosity can breakdown due to additives. The additive package of Maxima oils are outright race spec, there is no question about that. Additives themselves are not as expensive as base oil. No cost spared in using the best esters, makes no sense to ruin it with a substandard additive package. In fact, they have very similar add pack from their semi all the way to the top end Ultra, the extra cost is from the base oil difference.

 

They're also not constraint by the nit picky environmental regulations that make many recent euro origin oils less potent in antiwear protection (the europeans are crazy about catalysing everything, including hi performance toys). Take a look at the latest mid range stuff from Motul (7100), it states catalyser safe, their products never did before and the 300V (race spec) still doesn't either. It is a BIG hint that the add pack is, *ahem*, 'environmentally friendly'. It is the way things have been for cars in the past decade, bikes are just catching up, the legislators do not care if you wear out your gears or valvetrain prematurely, it is up to the tech guys to find a solution.

 

Secondly, viscosity retention in bike applications is directly dependant on the base oil and the type of viscosity improving polymers used, not so much on the additive package. Only in extremes of milage (bordering on neglect), there is possibility that the oxidation prevention additives (TBN additives and ZDDP) are used up and acids start to chemically react with the otherwise extremely robust base oils. Maxima tops in oxidation prevention, even a competitor (Amsoil) agrees in their comparison, they have this 'white paper' thing which shows the Maxima semi stuff is as good as their fully in many areas.

 

I am just wondering if something is lost in communication, eg, your 'churning of butter' means a totally different thing to me. It could well be that the blade does prefer a thin oil (10W40), and that your 'watery' is really something else, it is a contradiction in my interpretation.

 

I can guarantee you that the Extra 15W50 will not shear down in 1K to become 'watery', thinner than Motul's 10W40 in the same milage (it defies universally acknowleged ASTM testing specs), and that your mineral 15W50/20W50 will shear down much more compared to Extra 15W50.

 

In my bike, the run in mineral oil was shot in 1K. Perhaps the sheared down feel is what rocks your boat. Keep the Ultra in there for 2~3k, then if u still hate it, dinner's on me, you have my contact. I encounter the same 'complaints' from another extremely discerning and well read critic by the nick of Black Comet. I told him it was viscosity related and try my recommendation. He's now sold on the Ultra 5W50, the oil is barely starting to thin down at a milage where others are shot, and he has used some very exotic stuff from Fuchs. I am pretty sure it is a viscosity thing we're dealing with the Blade as well.

 

Glad you guys like the FP60, as with my oils, it is a product first researched, tested and given the by myself, I must know it works before marketing it. Do you guys know that Lubecontrol also makes a sister product of FP60 called LC20? Ever wonder why I never talk about it It wasted 2.5L of Ultra 700km into the oil. Sorry to bore you guys, I hope some may find my comments useful, as I most certainly find yours invaluable.

[Tashi]

Originally posted by chilly@Apr 14 2006, 01:47 AM

Going to KL alone or with the 'ang mo' ?

Me & Agustina. Ang mo driving with his gf.

 

Thanks Din. Have a good weekend y'all.

 

Impex, if you're researching so much, I'm sure you'll be bringing in many good stuffs for us to try.

[LastDance]

how much is this FP-60 and where can i get em?

[daRah Naikz]

Hi LD , just wondering ....

how much for you to have the Revtec installed on ur bike?

[LastDance]

i paid $90 for it.

[ET]

Originally posted by LastDance@Apr 14 2006, 01:35 PM

how much is this FP-60 and where can i get em?

bikeworkz is selling the small btl for $12~

[ET]

Originally posted by LastDance@Apr 15 2006, 10:03 AM

i paid $90 for it.

how, did you feel anything on the revtec?

[Raptor]

Just wondering....

 

With the infamous inherent problem of burning coils in the CBR1000, I am just simply amazed that you guys dare to experiment with anything that will ride on the electrical system of the bike.

 

As is, with the standard machine, one can never maximise the usage of the machine, even on the track.

 

Not that I am trying to be a wet blanket or what or telling you how to spend your excess money... but is it really worth it experimenting with the bike?

 

Looks like the electrical system of the CBR was designed to handle so much, due to weight or cost cutting. Wouldn't modifying the bike by adding additonal gizmos that tap more electrical power or even any mod to the electrical system would not be equivalent to "itching for trouble"???

 

Dun flame me, just my 1/2 cents worth. Coz like in the military aviation world our general guide line to aircraft maintenance is.........If it ain't broke, don't screw with it".

[dean_pedrosa]

Abang RAPTOR is in the House!!!

 

:cheer:

[Tashi]

Originally posted by Raptor@Apr 15 2006, 09:47 PM

Just wondering....

 

With the infamous inherent problem of burning coils in the CBR1000, I am just simply amazed that you guys dare to experiment with anything that will ride on the electrical system of the bike.

 

As is, with the standard machine, one can never maximise the usage of the machine, even on the track.

 

Not that I am trying to be a wet blanket or what or telling you how to spend your excess money... but is it really worth it experimenting with the bike?

 

Looks like the electrical system of the CBR was designed to handle so much, due to weight or cost cutting. Wouldn't modifying the bike by adding additonal gizmos that tap more electrical power or even any mod to the electrical system would not be equivalent to "itching for trouble"???

 

Dun flame me, just my 1/2 cents worth. Coz like in the military aviation world our general guide line to aircraft maintenance is.........If it ain't broke, don't screw with it".

I was also wondering ... albeit, the opposite.

 

If it's supposed to protect the charging system, it could be beneficial? If the coils are 1st generation, they are as good as broken, might as well screw them ... royally.

 

Dun flame me also, just my miscellaneous ramblings.

 

Just got back from KL. Looks like the M'sian TP are all out to get 'em happy campers. On the way out of SG, just before you get on the NS HW from Tuas, roadblocks are stationed there.

 

Coming back to Tuas HW from NS HW, there are 2 roadblocks, and then a 3rd one after M'sian customs to make sure you pay those outstanding fines. Probably tomorrow they will be there as well. If you guys are going for makan or petrol, obey the traffic rules.

[dean_pedrosa]

From what I have read,

its a kind of Electrical Stablizer that balances the charging system,

as well as, producing a much more stable voltage for the electrical system of the vehicle.

[Raptor]

Originally posted by Tashi@Apr 15 2006, 10:43 PM

I was also wondering ... albeit, the opposite.

 

If it's supposed to protect the charging system, it could be beneficial? If the coils are 1st generation, they are as good as broken, might as well screw them ... royally.

 

Dun flame me also, just my miscellaneous ramblings.

 

Just got back from KL. Looks like the M'sian TP are all out to get 'em happy campers. On the way out of SG, just before you get on the NS HW from Tuas, roadblocks are stationed there.

 

Coming back to Tuas HW from NS HW, there are 2 roadblocks, and then a 3rd one after M'sian customs to make sure you pay those outstanding fines. Probably tomorrow they will be there as well. If you guys are going for makan or petrol, obey the traffic rules.

Tomorrow evening is going to be Christmas Day for the Malaysian TPs.

 

Many Singaporean Santa Clauses will be bearing gifts for them.

[dean_pedrosa]

Hi Tashi........

 

How was the trip???

 

Any pics?

 

[chilly]

Originally posted by Tashi@Apr 15 2006, 10:43 PM

Just got back from KL. Looks like the M'sian TP are all out to get 'em happy campers. On the way out of SG, just before you get on the NS HW from Tuas, roadblocks are stationed there.

 

Coming back to Tuas HW from NS HW, there are 2 roadblocks, and then a 3rd one after M'sian customs to make sure you pay those outstanding fines. Probably tomorrow they will be there as well. If you guys are going for makan or petrol, obey the traffic rules.

I went in yesterday too @ 8.30pm.On the way after gp esso saw road block on the opposite rd.Try to went in by bandarnusajaya but the rd was closed & a few tp blocking the rd.As i ride further down noticed saying the rd at bandarnusajaya closed as there was a drag race going on.Did not speed on the way back to sg as i knew there's rd block ahead.After the rd block at bandarnusajaya,there's another rd block ahead but this time the tp's checking every vehicle plate # before letting go.The same goes after the m'sian immigration.I think there's an operation going on last night.

[chilly]

Originally posted by LastDance@Apr 14 2006, 01:35 PM

how much is this FP-60 and where can i get em?

Just click the link LD http://www.singaporebikes.com/forum/index....howtopic=102217

[chilly]

Originally posted by Tashi@Apr 15 2006, 10:43 PM

I was also wondering ... albeit, the opposite.

 

If it's supposed to protect the charging system, it could be beneficial? If the coils are 1st generation, they are as good as broken, might as well screw them ... royally.

 

Dun flame me also, just my miscellaneous ramblings.

 

Got to agree with Tashi.Actually what this stabilizers do is to stabilize ur charging system.Battery gets discharge fast but when it comes to charging back,it ain't fast as what discharging is doing.So this stabilizers thing 'stabilize' the charging.So when ur charging is stabilize,u get better cranking,brighter lights & etc.Whatever related to battery will benefit from it.This was what my mech told me.Don't flame me