Woopa!! Cbr1000rr Riders

[Tashi]

June 12, 2008 - Bob Gray

 

Bob's been looking at Honda's new electronic combined braking system. here's what he reckons to it.

 

"I'm just back from Baden Baden in Germany, where Honda has just demonstrated a working prototype of its new electronically controlled combined anti-lock brake system for Supersport machines (or ECCBSABS for short?). The system, which should be available as an optional extra on models such as the Fireblade and CBR600RR from 2010, is a completely revised version of their existing combined braking system (CBS), that links the front and rear brake systems, applying pressure to both circuits regardless which lever the rider operates. But the main aim of the system is not to improve lap-times. Instead, it should increase stability under braking and reduce braking distances for less confident riders especially in an emergency situation.

 

"Unlike current CBS, which works mechanically, the new system is completely electronic and has been referred to as brake-by-wire technology, meaning there's no need for caliper mounting mechanisms to mechanically operate the other pistons. The calipers on the prototype CBR600RR we rode were identical to the standard production bike, but that's where the similarities end.

 

"Here's how it works. At speeds below 3.5mph the brakes work normally — so fluid pumped by your hand or foot reaches only the caliper you actuate. Above 3.5mph a valve in the brake line operates and diverts brake fluid towards pressure sensors. Now when you pull the front brake lever you're not working the caliper. Instead the sensor sends a signal to the brake control unit (BCU) telling it what you're doing. The BCU then sends a signal to a pump which generates the pressure at the front caliper, not you. At the same time the BCU also sends a signal to the rear brake pump, which is how the combined system works electronically. If you use the rear brake the system works in reverse.

 

"In itself that's quite clever, but it's not the whole story, because there's also ABS to consider. Unlike conventional ABS systems that generate a pulsating feel when triggered, Honda's system is completely smooth through the chassis and brake lever. Of course it works in the same way as other systems, monitoring the rate of deceleration and comparing this to threshold value, and reducing brake pressure as the threshold is approached and exceeded. But because the pressure at the calipers is being generated by the pump, they're able to vary the brake pressure like a dimmer rather than a light switch.

 

"In the short time I got to try the system I was impressed. It's clear something out of the ordinary is happening, but it doesn't feel intrusive. For starters, it was impossible to tell that pumps were operating the calipers and not me, and I wasn't aware of the ABS cutting in or out at any point. We didn't get lots of laps of the test track but braking into corners didn't really feel any different when using the front brake, although going in using the rear brake did. To me, it felt a bit like the rear end had been lifted slightly, but I doubt it had.

 

"So is it a good idea? Yes, I would say. First of all it's important to remember that while you won't officially be able to disable the system if fitted, it will be optional. So if you don't like the idea of linked brakes, don't choose them. But for the majority of people, including myself and a nearly everyone I know, I can't logically see how the downsides of weight and price (neither of which Honda could tell us), can be outweighed by the benefits."

 

Pros

 

Increased braking stability for non-expert riders, reduced stopping distance for non-expert riders, greater and greater chance of stopping safely for all riders in a panic situation.

 

Cons

 

Increased weight (possibly 10kg), increased costs, may not be able to feather rear brake going in and out of corners*. Unable to tell if the system would upset expert riders on track.

 

It was suggested that as well as exceeding 3.5mph you also had to exceed a certain brake pressure before the system took over from you. I heard both 0.05kPa and 0.05MPa given as this threshold but couldn't get a definitive answer. However, if 0.05MPa (0.5 bar) was the threshold then this may well be possible.

[biaxident]

This electronic braking thing is scary. I wonder what could happen if there's a glitch in the system while braking.

 

Would this stoppie-splat you and your bike into the tarmac? Red paste.

[GuiNNeSS]

i got a damage single seater cover ..............original honda parts

perviously on my 06 repsol cbr1000.... heart pain use not even one day then flew off on PIE

stop my bike run back to pick up on road side........... damage

well can be repair i guess............any one interested??

[Shark]

i got a damage single seater cover ..............original honda parts

perviously on my 06 repsol cbr1000.... heart pain use not even one day then flew off on PIE

stop my bike run back to pick up on road side........... damage

well can be repair i guess............any one interested??

 

how much u looking at man? can pm me the details. thx

[Tashi]

Eyes on Hayden this weekend as he'll be putting the air valve engine on Donnington while Pedrosa races on conventional springs. Already he's putting very quick lap times on 1st & 2nd practice.

 

And I have to attend a kiddie birthday party, sob sob. Gotta google for some "101 excuses you can give to watch MotoGP with your mates".

[Tashi]

Japan's RR8 looks the best with matching tank colors, here's a Tricolor one as well.

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2008/image/cbr1000rr_2080620a.jpg

 

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2008/image/cbr1000rr_2080620b.jpg

[Tashi]

JDM RR8 CM, very nicely done, not the the US version which looks so gay.

 

http://www.honda.co.jp/CBR1000RR/movie/index.html

[dafeimao85]

Japan's RR8 looks the best with matching tank colors, here's a Tricolor one as well.

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2008/image/cbr1000rr_2080620a.jpg

 

http://www.honda.co.jp/news/2008/image/cbr1000rr_2080620b.jpg

 

wow the tri colour i think its nicer lor compared to the original

[R.C.]

Happen to be in Taipei last week. Visited some bike shops and spotted this CBR1000 @ Kingstar, part of a tri store family business...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei05.jpg

 

Mugen CBR1000RR?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei05b.jpg

 

Red plates are for bikes 550cc and above...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei06.jpg

 

Tons of carbon...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei07.jpg

 

Tons of meters...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei08.jpg

 

Tons of money... 1098 mirrors?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei09.jpg

 

AP CALIPERS on Ohlins!

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei11.jpg

 

Carbon airducts...

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei10.jpg

 

I could post other pix I took @ the MV/Husky/BMW/KTM shops if you guys want.

[Tashi]

Yeah, post more pix!

[BlackHonda]

yes more pics please....

 

really love this shot

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c298/airickchia/Taipei%202008/taipei05b.jpg

[Tashi]

I got a pic of the RR8 dipstick. My itchy hands couldn't resist opening it up.

 

Here's how close the bike was with me when I had breakfast in JB. No way my bike's gonna get stolen. I was eating "ban mian". That's the kind of veggie real "ban mian" should be cooked with, not the "cai xin" used in SG.

[BlackHonda]

anyway here's the pic durin my KL fren's search for 2006 blade

 

couldnt resist to try out the new blade at New southern

but too bad it's not within his budget

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0972.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0973-1.jpg

 

After going to a few shops, manage to find this at Excel

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0984.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0986.jpg

[BlackHonda]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0990.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0978.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0974.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0977.jpg

[BlackHonda]

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0980.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0985.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0987.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0994.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0992.jpg

 

Milleage was only 5998km!

Bike was in immaculate condition.

He paid $16.5k in cash and now the bike is safely in KL.

It will be regularly abused in Sepang

[RC8]

2009 Honda VFR1000

 

Could this, the 2008 Fireblade, be the last CBR1000RR before an all-new RVF1000 takes over in 2009...?

 

Solomoto even say that the Honda CBR1000RR Fireblade may give way to an all-new RVF1000 by 2009. Instead of the Fireblade’s inline-four, the RVF1000 will use a 200bhp, 1000cc V4 and styling would mirror Honda’s MotoGP bikes. With Aprilia also working on their own 1,000cc V-four engine, which they claim will make more than 210 horsepower in race trim, maybe the V4 config is getting all set to make a big comeback. Should be worth waiting for!

 

According to Spanish website Solomoto, we may see a resurgence of Honda’s Legendary v4 powered bikes over the next two years. While the 1980s and 90s V4 Honda RC30 and RC45 are considered to be all-time performance bike greats, the current vfr8000 sports-tourer simply isn’t in the same league. Its variable-valve-timing (VTEC) system has been criticized for its erratic performance, and the bike has steadily lost ground to newer, more sophisticated rivals.

 

Honda are now expected to build a non-VTEC, 1000cc V4 which will power their new VFR1000 sports-tourer. And unlike the existing VFR800, the new bike is likely to have USD forks at front, Honda’s Unit ProLink system at the back, and radially-mounted brakes with ABS.

 

 

 

Admittedly, the last years saw being reinforced road qualities and the performances of the VFR. The last evolution of the motor bike, which embarks variable distribution V-tce and ABS since 2001, is not wearied to dominate the comparative ones and to attract itself comments praising the rigour of its design.

 

 

 

And it is justified: the VFR, except a lack of imagination to control, does not deserve that praises so much the homogeneity of its behavior is obvious. Then, to approach its initial spirit today, Honda could reposition its motor bike towards more sportivity. Wasn't the VFR in other time a cousin close to the RC 30 and another RC 45, which has fi nor by him to offer her 4-cyclindres out of V before disappearing?

 

 

 

Yes, the VFR is with the fi L of the years not involved in the sporting crenel, leaving this noble task with the CBR 1000 RR. Without anything to change with the bases of its motor bike, Honda could thus soon reveal a mounting whose V4, more generous of cubic capacity, would propose an exploitation definitely more sporting. One questions oneself then as for the utility of the variable distribution, more inclined to meet needs specific to the road motor bikes. One thus likes oneself to imagine machine certainly always such a voluntary to comfortably accumulate the kilometers, but especially all been willing to stimulate the zygomatics by the power and the neat character of his mechanics. Side part-cycle, ABS and the Dual CBS would not be quite obvious step called into question, but one would appreciate the arrival of a radial device, just like that of an entirely adjustable reversed fork.

 

Side line, the austerity of the current model cèderait its place with a more dynamic reinterpretation, approaching by the same one the spirit insufflated by the CBR 1000 RR. A return to the sources and in force.

 

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8026/2009vfrst3.jpg

[V12Merlin]

Gentlemen,

 

The Red CBR1000RR8 at Boon Siew's workshop

[Tashi]

Gentlemen,

 

The Red CBR1000RR8 at Boon Siew's workshop

 

Wow, nice, finally, this is the color I want.

[Tashi]

2009 Honda VFR1000

 

Could this, the 2008 Fireblade, be the last CBR1000RR before an all-new RVF1000 takes over in 2009...?

 

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/8026/2009vfrst3.jpg

 

Honda inline 4 will be here to stay in my opinion. Honda has spend so much on R&D, they will not kill off the product after 1 yr of launch.

[Tashi]

Is this Korno?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/Blackhonda666/IMG_0994.jpg

[jojojo]

so anyone here got the latest CBR1000..??

[Tashi]

Honda inline 4 will be here to stay in my opinion. Honda has spend so much on R&D, they will not kill off the product after 1 yr of launch.

 

If this is true, then hopes of seeing a V4 supersports are screwed.

 

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25june08_hondavfr_rumor.htm

[Tashi]

so anyone here got the latest CBR1000..??

 

So far no one. I'm also waiting for 1st poster to showcase the brand new RR8.

[jojojo]

icic..alright..

think couple of SBF member got it already..

anyway u not gettin..??

[Tashi]

icic..alright..

think couple of SBF member got it already..

anyway u not gettin..??

 

Still undecided, the more I look at it, the more I want to get it, but V12Merlin has reliable info that a V4 supersports will be out, so I should wait.

 

Maybe if I sell my RR6, then no choice have to get already, heh.