SBF Kymco Downtown 125/200/300/350i Cafe 2013

[parotae]

Read from the net that this Xciting is using a new engine type and design.

Engine is based on the downtown 300 G5 engine so should be quite reliable.

For the 400, Kymco is using the G5SC where SC stands for Super Charge.

Wah ha ha, not that it has a super charger but something to with the cooling system which is so efficient that it produces extra horses. Hmmmmm..... wonder how that works?

It produces 46hp which is the same output as Xciting 500. Guess that's why there's no 500cc for the new Xciting.

So good for 2A license rider able to ride a 400 instead of the 500 sibling.

[topgearalwaysrock]

SH 40 can also put 2 3/4 helmet cup together.

When you have a pillion most of the time. You will find there's not enough space for helmet and shopping bags ha ha.

 

 

 

 

Ok lah. At least for now. I don't shop much anyways. The DT is only for my personal transport, point to point.

 

As a learner's bike, it has a huge road presence. Cars see me approaching, and they do generally give way to me.

 

I also enjoy the size and weight when riding about at expressway speeds, which really can't be said of smaller and lighter bikes.

 

Plus the twist-and-go ease to ride makes it all the more enjoyable. I don't have to bother about clutching in and changing gears myself. Haha.

[synman]

Just met bro Firesaint at Motorsport today while I was changing back to my original clutch pad.

 

Anyway, after changing back to the original pads, I did the same method again to burn it in.

 

Like bro Juan said, it is much smoother when moving off. Though the vibration is not entirely gone, but I would say that

it is rather minimum compare to this clutch pad. Had the bike felt like that from the start i would have really enjoy it.

 

One of the new clutch pads I was trying out(3 pcs) have crack open. So Herbert has took it to feedback to Kymco.

 

Hopefully they can come out with an ideal solution.

 

So far did only about 30km on the original pads, but the testing one seems to make the bike more "torqy" and more power at higher speed.

 

The original one like I mention feels much smoother though.

 

Just my gut feel.

[parotae]

Wah! Cracked open! as in how many cracked out of the 3 pads? Cracked as in crack lines or like clay cracking effect?

 

Yes, will agree that the original feel much smoother as it maybe slipping a bit before locking, unlike the improve ones which bite on harder make the engine struggle a bit during low speed. It would explained why it felt more torquey in the higher speed as it bite harder and sending the momentum of the clutch straight to bell to the wheels with little or no slippage. My theory

Edited November 16, 2011 by parotae

[synman]

Wah! Cracked open! as in how many cracked out of the 3 pads? Cracked as in crack lines or like clay cracking effect?

 

Yes, will agree that the original feel much smoother as it maybe slipping a bit before locking, unlike the improve ones which bite on harder make the engine struggle a bit during low speed. It would explained why it felt more torquey in the higher speed as it bite harder and sending the momentum of the clutch straight to bell to the wheels with little or no slippage. My theory

 

Only one of the pieces has a line crack but open up and not a surface crack.

 

The other two were totally fine.

 

But I like your theory. Sounds good.....lol

 

Anyway, like I said after doing the burning in method, the vibration or stuttering is

almost down to nothing. You haven't tried it I suppose.

Told Herbert about the method but he said it only works for a while.

Let's see how things goes. Hopefully they come out with a clutch pad that is

smooth at all speed.......

[synman]

Read from the net that this Xciting is using a new engine type and design.

Engine is based on the downtown 300 G5 engine so should be quite reliable.

For the 400, Kymco is using the G5SC where SC stands for Super Charge.

Wah ha ha, not that it has a super charger but something to with the cooling system which is so efficient that it produces extra horses. Hmmmmm..... wonder how that works?

It produces 46hp which is the same output as Xciting 500. Guess that's why there's no 500cc for the new Xciting.

So good for 2A license rider able to ride a 400 instead of the 500 sibling.

 

Hmmmm, sounds tempting though........ Please don't be so cheap.... I also dun wanna upgrade! lol

 

Unless of coz Motorsports has a special trade in for our DT that make us dun lose too much.

[synman]

Btw, Bro Firesaint has some stocks of Motys Synthetic Oil which I'm planning to try.

 

Update you all again after my oil change.

[etkach3]

Haha. But they're products lack the quality of Kymco and the style as well, except perhaps for the GTS 200.

 

Other than that, their styling CMI compared to Kymco, which doesn't make them direct competitors.

 

dun say sym lack of quality leh..have u tried the maxsym 400i? Built Quality is awesome

Also y kymco always make the ugliest speedometer?The bike already so 'garang' den de meter spoils it same like the 700cc ones:(

 

My opinion only no hard feelings:D

[parotae]

dun say sym lack of quality leh..have u tried the maxsym 400i? Built Quality is awesome

Also y kymco always make the ugliest speedometer?The bike already so 'garang' den de meter spoils it same like the 700cc ones:(

 

My opinion only no hard feelings:D

 

Ya lor, how can say sym no good. To me both very good. Both also Taiwan scoot. Both came from same company in the beginning. Sym GT 200 is a good testament to their quality. So many years still selling new ones. If this MaxSym is reliable in times to come, then future SYM scooter quality can be assured.

[parotae]

From what I guess, I think SYM is in partnership with Hyundai. Like Kymco with BMW. Correct me if I am wrong. I saw SYM website before like got Hyndai inside. So maybe SYM technology is from Hyndai?

[Mr.Han]

dun say sym lack of quality leh..have u tried the maxsym 400i? Built Quality is awesome

Also y kymco always make the ugliest speedometer?The bike already so 'garang' den de meter spoils it same like the 700cc ones:(

 

My opinion only no hard feelings:D

lol try touring with it

[parotae]

Motys = motul? Which grade? Went mustafa look see. Maxima 5W50 $25.70 I think.

Interested to try maxima coolant premixed with no antifreeze, perfect for Singapore $18.70 I think.

 

Yes I haven't tried with full force, only like 4000+rpm(stalling speed I think) for 3sec only. I heart pain lah ha ha. Now that you mention cracked, more I shouldnt try.

Maybe until I change back to the original then i'll try.

Let you be the guinea pig LOL!

[parotae]

Stalling speed as in where you give the engine full gas and the engine revolution stops building up due to clutch friction against stationary bell held by wheels by the brakes and clutch slipping due to additional revolution from the variator acting on the clutch. Something like that.

Where engine revolution can't go up because of friction/braking and engine cannot stall due to clutch slipping is known as stalling speed.

 

Hope you guys got that

My explanation suck ha ha sorry

[parotae]

Found the pillion/passenger foot rest crappy. Totally not ergonomically design. Aesthetically pleasing only. Recently got to be a pillion and it felt so uncomfortable with my feet curving to rest on the tiny board and so unnatural. With my feet naturally rested only the heels rested on a tiny portion and don't feel safe and secure at all. At least have a flip out foot rest option.

 

Well went through some youtube and came across this mod!

 

Now you can have that option!......NOT! at least the option is not for me ha ha. Have seen it on X8 with this option, and i thought X8 foot rest is already ergonomically design already with 45 degree angle outward floor board cutting for pillion's feet.

 

Here's the Video for your Downtown mod

 

Skip to the end to see the final product.

[synman]

Motys = motul? Which grade? Went mustafa look see. Maxima 5W50 $25.70 I think.

Interested to try maxima coolant premixed with no antifreeze, perfect for Singapore $18.70 I think.

 

Yes I haven't tried with full force, only like 4000+rpm(stalling speed I think) for 3sec only. I heart pain lah ha ha. Now that you mention cracked, more I shouldnt try.

Maybe until I change back to the original then i'll try.

Let you be the guinea pig LOL!

 

Just try lah, I went up to about 6000+ rpm.

 

Motys, check out the website. The motorcycle call M151, getting the 10w40

Japan product. Have tried the Maxima for my SW last time when I 1st rode the SW.

It was okay until I got the Motul300V

 

Still enjoying the bike, so far so good....

Edited November 17, 2011 by synman

[parotae]

Wah Moty's look very good! Even shows viscosity indexes.

 

Have you seen DT's Piston?

First time i saw i was like huh??? Where's the piston? Only got the head, no body ha ha.

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v319/jeryll/piston.jpg

[parotae]

Wonder if can use 5W40 or not? Instead of 5W50. I know the W stands for Winter but the usual response is all can use, W don't matter because we are not in cold country with snow.

Then why 5W 10W 15W 20W just make all 0W problems solve. Still looking for very solid answers.

If 5W40 can use, why our manual recommend 5W50. Mind as well just put any oil except 30 then problems solve. But come to think of it manual have a range of oil can be use if 5W50 is not available.

What i want to know is why the manufacturer recommend 5W50 instead of 5W40 although can be use?

Makes no difference? I beg to differ.

Like gear oil 75W90 and 140 people can explain very well and i accept cause 90is thinner and 140 is thicker and 140 create more drag usually meant for heavy duty vehicles like lorry which generate very high torque and lower speed thus a heavier oil is needed to cushion the gear and because of low speed drag is of less importance.

[parotae]

5W50 would have more drag isn't it as compare to 5W40, 0W40, 10W40, 15W40, 20W40?

So why DT 5W50?

DT more Heat?

DT much hotter?

DT High Compression?

DT Racing Engine?

Wah if like that, go touring must use 60 oil liao ha ha

[parotae]

Checking out moty's and came to a local civic forum. Saw 1 forumer uses 75W140 for gear oil hmmmm....

Then again racing engine uses 60 oil and they called it racing oil hmmmmm.....

60 more drag no?

Maybe engine get super hot then oil becomes very thin or becomes thinner like 60 become 40 oil, then swee swee just nice ha ha

Sorry if i sound like i'm ranting here ha

[synman]

Was reading up on this site.

 

http://www.upmpg.com/tech_articles/motoroil_viscosity/

 

According to here, lower number for during the initial startup and the higher number

is when the engine is operating at its max temp.

 

Makes quite a bit of sense i suppose. Hopefully that helps!

 

Anyway, gonna try the Moty's 1st and if I like it, then no need to go for the Motul 300V.

 

The 10w40 suits my need.

[topgearalwaysrock]

Well, I don't know about myself, but really, does better engine oil equate to much better performance?

 

I'm happy with just the recommended oil that's in the engine right now. Haha.

 

What I'm thinking of changing though are the tyres. The standard ones are really poor in the wet.

[synman]

Well, I don't know about myself, but really, does better engine oil equate to much better performance?

 

I'm happy with just the recommended oil that's in the engine right now. Haha.

 

What I'm thinking of changing though are the tyres. The standard ones are really poor in the wet.

 

At the end of the day, I guess it would be down to individual preferences. No right or wrong here!

 

I just prefer something smoother for myself.

[topgearalwaysrock]

At the end of the day, I guess it would be down to individual preferences. No right or wrong here!

 

I just prefer something smoother for myself.

 

 

 

Haha. True that. DT125i is just a point A to point B transport for me. I don't expect anything more than that.

 

Perhaps you'd want to test ride on my DT125i, to make you appreciate your DT300i more? Haha!

[topgearalwaysrock]

dun say sym lack of quality leh..have u tried the maxsym 400i? Built Quality is awesome

Also y kymco always make the ugliest speedometer?The bike already so 'garang' den de meter spoils it same like the 700cc ones:(

 

My opinion only no hard feelings:D

 

 

 

It's a maxi-scooter afterall, the DownTown. Surely, you can't expect sports-bike styled instrument gauges isn't it?

 

As for why I say SYM's quality ain't good, cos I'm comparing it with my DT125i, both the GTS200 and MaxSym 400. There's just that shade of slightlier iffy plastics used on SYM.

 

Quality and reliability are different things though.

[topgearalwaysrock]

Ya lor, how can say sym no good. To me both very good. Both also Taiwan scoot. Both came from same company in the beginning. Sym GT 200 is a good testament to their quality. So many years still selling new ones. If this MaxSym is reliable in times to come, then future SYM scooter quality can be assured.

 

 

SYM is like Acer.

 

Kymco is like Asus.

 

Both taiwanese company, but their quality and products are so different.