SBF Kymco Downtown 125/200/300/350i Cafe 2013

[eellvviinn]

This topic is just for info and not use for any comparison!

 

Since the new xciting 400 will be also using radial calipers like current Maxsym 400, using front double radial calipers and with a rear brake caliper. (Can be seen from pic clearly) .

 

The only thing that can’t be seen till you service the front radial calipers of max sym 400, is that the FBCL is only using HALF pieces of brake pad. And the rest is full pieces of brake pad.

 

Me and my frens had verified this on his maxsym400!

 

I am looking forward on this radial calipers on xciting 400, and the advantage is changing brake pad is so easy (need not remove the whole brake caliper). Just hoping the new xciting 400 will not be doing the same thing (half brake pad).

[topgearalwaysrock]

  eellvviinn said:

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This topic is just for info and not use for any comparison!

 

Since the new xciting 400 will be also using radial calipers like current Maxsym 400, using front double radial calipers and with a rear brake caliper. (Can be seen from pic clearly) .

 

The only thing that can’t be seen till you service the front radial calipers of max sym 400, is that the FBCL is only using HALF pieces of brake pad. And the rest is full pieces of brake pad.

 

Me and my frens had verified this on his maxsym400!

 

I am looking forward on this radial calipers on xciting 400, and the advantage is changing brake pad is so easy (need not remove the whole brake caliper). Just hoping the new xciting 400 will not be doing the same thing (half brake pad).

 

 

Sorry. I too noob on this liao. I don't get a single thing just looking at the diagram.

 

But I believe, as a manufacturer, they'll want to pass on the convenience from technologies to the mechanics and consumer. Not having to replace a whole brake pad is a good thing IMHO!

 

As for DT having only single front disk brakes, I thought that's only for the DT125i.... I didn't look at the DT300i.... Haha.

 

Then again, these scooters aren't going in excess of 150kph most of the time, so good brakes aren't necessary. Imagine if Kymco added another brake pad for the DT, that means additional manufacturing cost, and more maintenance cost as well.

 

Xciting is different, cos that's more of a sports-touring-scooter than the DT city-maxi-scooter =)

[parotae]

Huh? That is really weird. Half a pad on the left side caliper? Mind as well use only one. Maybe to cut cost and for looks. I sure change to the full pad or both caliper and pads.

[eellvviinn]

To topgearalwaysrock

 

The diagram is showing brake lever , brake hose and brake calipers, how there are link up using brake hose front and rear.

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/howto/change_motorcycle_brake_pads/index.html

 

IMO DT300 is real 300cc engine and it have very good pick up that y , it should be given front double disc brake. As you need good brake for powerful bike. but it is not given just .... dun now y...

xciting 300 not so good in pick up , but given front double disc brake... doesn't make sense to me...lol

 

parotae

if you really plan to change to max sym 400, btw is using half brake pad , so there is only one side have NO piston . if you wanna change to full brake pad i dun think is possible unless you can find a after market front left brake caliper that have both piston. or change all front brake caliper to after market de.

 

As stock front brake caliper sym had design to run on 1 piston so the lower /other side is empty and all the hole for the brake fluid is also not drill. so very mafan to just add a piston and link up all the brake fluid and O ring ..etc, my as well change the whole caliper easier ....IMO.. that what i advice my fren

Edited November 23, 2011 by eellvviinn

[parotae]

What I think is because of mass production. What i think maybe SYM actually wanted one side but because of the parts sharing with 600 so make standard for both. Imagine 600 want to change fork but no stock only 400 1 sided caliper mount, totally not economical at all. Further more 400 can always upgrade to 600 stuff not the other way round. Further more I think maybe cheaper to have half a piston and pads as less material used. I still think that mind as well fit a full one and let customer absorb the cost a more powerful brake is better than a just enough brake don't you think?

[eellvviinn]

i dun mind paying a few hundred more for a full , proper, stronger brake...

 

  parotae said:

What I think is because of mass production. What i think maybe SYM actually wanted one side but because of the parts sharing with 600 so make standard for both. Imagine 600 want to change fork but no stock only 400 1 sided caliper mount, totally not economical at all. Further more 400 can always upgrade to 600 stuff not the other way round. Further more I think maybe cheaper to have half a piston and pads as less material used. I still think that mind as well fit a full one and let customer absorb the cost a more powerful brake is better than a just enough brake don't you think?

[topgearalwaysrock]

  eellvviinn said:

i dun mind paying a few hundred more for a full , proper, stronger brake...

 

 

Well, there's no need for good brakes when riding in city-start-stop traffic.

 

The only thing perhaps is brake fade. But that's likely due to overheat of brakes.

 

Once it cools, it's back to proper operation. Haha!

[eellvviinn]

True.... if we are mainly riding in Singapore..

 

  topgearalwaysrock said:

Well, there's no need for good brakes when riding in city-start-stop traffic.

 

The only thing perhaps is brake fade. But that's likely due to overheat of brakes.

 

Once it cools, it's back to proper operation. Haha!

[parotae]

As for 300 why 1 sided is all base on Europe market. Kymco what what Herbert says are base on demand. All is for profit not to be the fancier.

If you look carefully for the Europe 300cc popular model most have only 1 side. As for exciting European will go for the 500 so Xciting 300 offers the styling and parts just like it's name suggest of it's bigger sulbling with a smaller cc maybe for Asian market. Not that Xciting can't go fast, infect it's faster than DT300 for top speed. Xciting is a sports scooter whereas downtown are projected as a town scooter for being nippy and economical hence 1 sided caliper gives the impression that it's cheaper to maintain, duh!

 

For sports use though not faster in pick up but it's enough to justify that it's more performance base , at least it felt like it. Downtown should have a double fork clamp also IMO. So xiciting indeed is a sports breed having double fork clamp/full fork and double disk - good for higher speed cornering stability and aggressive stopping. Should have better braking characteristic and lesser brake fade under heavy use.

Engine may even have the option to have a bigger bore judging that it stays on the original sleeve cylinder. There should be a 300cc big bore kit somewhere. I did a search and came across a big bore kit actually is for quad kymco. For 250cc quad to 276cc something like that and with higher compression. High compression engine usually dont last long as more heat and stresses on crack and engine IMO

Edited November 23, 2011 by parotae

[topgearalwaysrock]

Whatever the case is, our scooters are clearly designed for it's individual purpose.

 

I'm happy with my DT125i =)

[parotae]

  topgearalwaysrock said:

Well, there's no need for good brakes when riding in city-start-stop traffic.

 

The only thing perhaps is brake fade. But that's likely due to overheat of brakes.

 

Once it cools, it's back to proper operation. Haha!

 

I beg to differ. More powerful the better if used properly. On ver rare occasion, due to poor judgement and aggressive riding due to aggressive driver infront too jammed his brakes infront of me and I was riding a skipper 150 front disk rear drum then. I jammed and squeeze hard enough not to skid but power just not enough( if brake hard and the wheels lock, the stopping distance is actually further) and going to bang the bumper, while preparing to bang the car infront the car suddenly accelerate off again missing it by mere luck. On other occasion with the runner 180 front rear disk encounter same situation but brakes very well within anticipated distance and was thankful the brakes was very effective.

[eellvviinn]

parotae: normally where do you go for servicing ?

[eellvviinn]

yes you r rite too, just remind me of a minor incident on expressway

on my pervious ride ta200 , i am ziging on white line on expressway due to minor jam a S4 is in front of me , so suddenly a car on S4 right cut in to white line. S4 jam his brake FULLY, and me too , guess what happen .....lol

 

s4 fully stop! and i bump into his rear wheel lightly and using his vehicle to stop my vehicle...lol. LUCKY no one is hurt and no bike fall!

imagine all our speed increase by just 10-20km/h, and all we should be on the ground.

 

  parotae said:

I beg to differ. More powerful the better if used properly. On ver rare occasion, due to poor judgement and aggressive riding due to aggressive driver infront too jammed his brakes infront of me and I was riding a skipper 150 front disk rear drum then. I jammed and squeeze hard enough not to skid but power just not enough( if brake hard and the wheels lock, the stopping distance is actually further) and going to bang the bumper, while preparing to bang the car infront the car suddenly accelerate off again missing it by mere luck. On other occasion with the runner 180 front rear disk encounter same situation but brakes very well within anticipated distance and was thankful the brakes was very effective.

[parotae]

  eellvviinn said:

lol....me too waiting for xciting 400 love the front brake...! so sporty!

 

Although, there are some small issue here and there on my bike , but over all the bike xciting 300ir / DT is Great!

LOOK : current face lift , look very nice and sporty

engine: so far no pro, hear DT is very fast is pickup , from kymco boss it is name as rocket /bullet scooter , xciting no where near on pickup...

 

 

 

yes that burn orange Dt, my first impression is wao.... remind me of sporty TMAX(EX to maintain)

 

I have my share of disappointment on the DT mind you and it's only 2 months old

Maybe I'll make a list to show how disappointed I might be

All is good at the end of the day as I take it as it is.

Maybe because of too much reading, I notice a lot of details which I may not even discover.

After reading go try try and found all the tiny little hiccups.

So topgearalwaysrock says leave as it is may not apply to my case since it's not working smoothly.

Gilera Nexus (my friend's bike) is working smoothly and less power but clutch cling cling cling noisy.

[topgearalwaysrock]

Darn! How fast were ur riding then with the incident?

[eellvviinn]

parotae

Pm me your story! the problem on kymco forum , too little ppl is in here, inactive , even if our bike has a common problem , we wun know unless kymco ppl tell us.

 

but kymco is picking up as we can see from the newer version , they do put in affect to design their bike!

 

BTW my bike is 8mth old but i own it for only 2 mth as i buy form private seller from SBF too

 

topgearalwaysrock

the speed should be 70-80km/h as is on white line and there is S4 infront of me and lucky S4 help me to stop....my bike

[topgearalwaysrock]

  eellvviinn said:

parotae

Pm me your story! the problem on kymco forum , too little ppl is in here, inactive , even if our bike has a common problem , we wun know unless kymco ppl tell us.

 

but kymco is picking up as we can see from the newer version , they do put in affect to design their bike!

 

BTW my bike is 8mth old but i own it for only 2 mth as i buy form private seller from SBF too

 

topgearalwaysrock

the speed should be 70-80km/h as is on white line and there is S4 infront of me and lucky S4 help me to stop....my bike

 

 

 

Well, dont follow too closely!

 

Yeap. Kymco DT and Xciting Ri community is still small in Singapore. Haha.

[synman]

  parotae said:

I have my share of disappointment on the DT mind you and it's only 2 months old

Maybe I'll make a list to show how disappointed I might be

All is good at the end of the day as I take it as it is.

Maybe because of too much reading, I notice a lot of details which I may not even discover.

After reading go try try and found all the tiny little hiccups.

So topgearalwaysrock says leave as it is may not apply to my case since it's not working smoothly.

Gilera Nexus (my friend's bike) is working smoothly and less power but clutch cling cling cling noisy.

 

Tell me about it! Since the 1st day I rode it, I feel like I'm a paying test rider for Kymco.

 

Anyway the same problem with the clutch came back again even though after doing the "burning" thing, and I think it is worse off. Now even giving squeaky sound.

 

Maybe changing to T-max will solve the issue.....lol

 

On hindsight, the trial pads works better than the current ones.

Gonna feedback to the boss tomorrow when I send in for servicing.

 

Check with him when the new pads are coming in for change.

 

Will get my class 2 after I've completed my class 3 1st. Then hopefully, will

consider getting the T-max for maximum riding pleasure.

[parotae]

LOL! Felt the same, like a test rider for Kymco Downtown 300.

1.Corner can scrape lower cover finisher. Old model is scrape full stand.

2. Rpm drop 500 rpm at 50km/h (depending on constant throttle)

3. Lost of power between 40km/h to 60km/h (when sudden open throttle. Not significant but enough to make me fustrated)

4. Rear wheel (brake) a bit hard to turn when hot (brake dragging) I was told normal.

5. Higher fuel consumption due to improve parts, but better acceleration.

6. Moving off biting point vibration.

Huh only 6 points only ha ha.

So not that much problems

 

Overall rideable

Edited November 23, 2011 by parotae

[synman]

  parotae said:

LOL! Felt the same, like a test rider for Kymco Downtown 300.

1.Corner can scrape lower cover finisher. Old model is scrape full stand.

2. Rpm drop 500 rpm at 50km/h (depending on constant throttle)

3. Lost of power between 40km/h to 60km/h

4. Rear wheel (brake) a bit hard to turn when hot (brake dragging) I was told normal.

5. Higher fuel consumption due to improve parts, but better acceleration.

6. Moving off biting point vibration.

Huh only 6 points only ha ha.

So not that much problems

 

5.

 

Paying one!!! We pay to test ride.....

 

You serious on changing to the MaxSym? I might consider too!

But then again if also have stupid problems, I would rather fork out more for the T-max

later on. Hopefully they can iron out my main concern for the DT300i.

 

If not, then it is a painful lesson for me.

 

Point no.6 is the only issue for me.

 

I just want it to move smoothly at all speed........ grrrrrrrrrrrr!

[eellvviinn]

Bingo...! first sentence just how i feel!

 

  synman said:

Tell me about it! Since the 1st day I rode it, I feel like I'm a paying test rider for Kymco.

 

Anyway the same problem with the clutch came back again even though after doing the "burning" thing, and I think it is worse off. Now even giving squeaky sound.

 

Maybe changing to T-max will solve the issue.....lol

 

On hindsight, the trial pads works better than the current ones.

Gonna feedback to the boss tomorrow when I send in for servicing.

 

Check with him when the new pads are coming in for change.

 

Will get my class 2 after I've completed my class 3 1st. Then hopefully, will

consider getting the T-max for maximum riding pleasure.

[eellvviinn]

xciting seen to have smoother engine. just so far my rear and front suspension is having minor problem, which can be improved using aftermarket parts, just need to spend $$$ on a less than a yr old bike, is .......

 

 

  synman said:

Paying one!!! We pay to test ride.....

 

You serious on changing to the MaxSym? I might consider too!

But then again if also have stupid problems, I would rather fork out more for the T-max

later on. Hopefully they can iron out my main concern for the DT300i.

 

If not, then it is a painful lesson for me.

 

I don't need it to perform most of the problems you have stated.

 

I just want it to move smoothly at all speed........ grrrrrrrrrrrr!

[eellvviinn]

i always wanna get a tmax, but maintenance is killingly ex!

y i got xciting is all because is looks similar to tmax, sporty....., think i will wait for xciting 400 and see how...

 

if your DT is having Problem y not change to xciting! kekek trying to gather more xciting bike

[parotae]

@synman

 

The squeaky could be because the clutch pads are coated with the pads dust, metallic material and bell metal dust all fused together and created a smooth metallic surface hence mental rub metal plus a bit of slipping and biting equates squeaky. Ha ha like some kind of recipe

[parotae]

  synman said:

Paying one!!! We pay to test ride.....

 

You serious on changing to the MaxSym? I might consider too!

But then again if also have stupid problems, I would rather fork out more for the T-max

later on. Hopefully they can iron out my main concern for the DT300i.

 

If not, then it is a painful lesson for me.

 

Point no.6 is the only issue for me.

 

I just want it to move smoothly at all speed........ grrrrrrrrrrrr!

 

No lah!

Not changing lah

Eellvviinn thought I changing because I say if I was riding MaxSym, I will change the left side half port half piston half caliper half brake pad thingy lol

Will ride till buay tha han first lol!