Spec 3 battery flat. how to start?

[nathan_12]

in that case i suppose you bike park right? from what i see is nothing wrong with parts just flat batt..

 

two choice:

if you bike park at open space car park..

 

ask 2 friends of yours (one with 2A license and other doesn't matter) with bike to come to your rescue. let call them A and B.

 

push down the pillion stand, Mr. A with 2A sit on your bike, clutch in, gear 2 ready to move off.

 

Mr. B sit on his bike. start bike, move to the your bike's right side.. clutch in , gear 2, use his left leg. rest on the pillion stand, make sure he is comfortable with the posture... and get ready to push your bike using the pillion stand..

 

as Mr. B on his bike move off, your bike will move/roll as well, let Mr.B pick up his speed on gear 2.. while Mr. A able to maintain balance, he need to get ready and throw clutch of your bike.. Once clutch is thrown, your engine will start to fire.. and pull in the clutch again so it won't keep going staright.. let it charge a bit.. or ask your friend to ride it to a bike shop to charge it. i think they will ask for a small amt to charge your battery.

 

the above method is proven working... as i once tried it before.. last time my GSXR no batt cannot start bike and i am stuck between singapore custom and JB custom.. my friend help me fire up the engine using this method.

 

2nd option

 

if you park a multi storey carpark.

 

you need at least one friend with 2A licence. push the bike over to the slope. sit on the bike, clutch in, gear 2 (very impt, cannot gear 1 or neutral) and push it to roll down the slope. and throw clutch. once engine fires up.. ride it to nearest bike shop to charge it.

 

impt thing to note.

 

make sure your path is clear. as u are in carpark, there might be unexpected vehicle, cockster, children while you are "pushing" your bike. so make sure your path is clear before attempt

 

if you considering option 2, i will recommend if you park at least 3 floor. if fail to start vy 1st try at least can retry on the next slope else u gotta push it up the slope to retry?? believe, you won't wan to do that. also please ask your firend to be careful, as i mentioned you are in carpark, push start might have a sudden push so your bike will be push forward so "clutch in after engine fire up and brake" reaction need to be fast. make sure your path is clear. don't end up fire up the egine but end up your bike on top of another car.

 

good luck..

 

 

it worked for me once!! but have to be very fast in action!

[lemont97]

haha.. good job for those who get the "trick" glad that my 2cents worth is useful. maybe also can share your method how to push start a bike w/o much hassle for the benefit of rest of the bro.

[lemont97]

yup i agree.. different methods for different pple.. to your elaborate explanation.. will keep it in mind if i ever buying a big i cannot push start..

i also thought push start bike then throw clutch bike will fly.. but the 1st time i did it and subsequently also never.. i think cos i keep having that in mind so i nv throttle alot, just enough for the bike to start.

 

thanks bro consider lucky that i was taught (in army) how to push start a bike using Army's bike..haha.. even bike fall also not so heart ache. now perfectly push start it if i have a problem.

[chuan.z]

Since your bike already is and will be parked for quite some time, might wanna consider go buy a batt (by some other means lah), and DIY replace.

[redbeacon]

Since your bike already is and will be parked for quite some time, might wanna consider go buy a batt (by some other means lah), and DIY replace.

Agreed on this one. Saves you time, strength, and hassle.

 

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I ever had my battery go bust on me because my rectifier wasn't working -- all at a Basement 2 carpark late at night. Had to push my heavy bike up to the next top level, coast down the slope in second gear, and throw the clutch/rev a bit.

 

Just like the methods lemont97 has suggested. Whew.

[lemont97]

Since your bike already is and will be parked for quite some time, might wanna consider go buy a batt (by some other means lah), and DIY replace.

 

that works too.. haha.. anyway if it will be park for a very long time, i suggest to remove the connection to the battery entirely coz by the time u wan to ride again, it will be drain too..

[nelo]

since ur hand is on cast then better ask someone who is qualify to help u.. haha.. else if you live near me maybe i can drop by to roll -start your bike.. LOL.. but quite late by the time i reach coz after work ma..

 

if you not going over to bike shop to charge it.. i suggest you (or your sub rider) to give a ride to somewhere and back.. maybe around 30 min rides around singapore?? so it can start charging again. push start it does not mean it is starting to charge.. (maybe it will) but charge won't be enuff to give it another "fire" when u E start it again.. as u travel it will charge.. since it is die.. it take time to charge back. leaving the engine on to charge is not an option as it will be too hot after 15-20 min.. who knows what else it will burn next.

 

haha.. i stay around town.. but no need la.. trouble u man haha,,

 

i'll either wait for my arm to get better and try push starting. if by then my battery totally dead, i shall just get a new battery and diy replace it like

chuan.z said

 

Since your bike already is and will be parked for quite some time, might wanna consider go buy a batt (by some other means lah), and DIY replace.

[xyoshiki]

Hi guys nt sure if its a repost.but my spec3 battery's flat!! how do i start it?

 

no power to crank at all. when i put the key to start, the needles din jump and both my clock and odo doesnt show anything. when i push the ignition neutral light becomes very dim and nth happens.

 

gimme some advice haha. like push start etc. thanks :cry:

 

haha.. i stay around town.. but no need la.. trouble u man haha,,

 

i'll either wait for my arm to get better and try push starting. if by then my battery totally dead, i shall just get a new battery and diy replace it like

chuan.z said

 

I suggest you to ascertain whether it is stator coil, regulator or battery failure. You can do that with a multimeter.

 

If it is either stator coil or regulator failure by jumping start it and riding it around you will be killing either the battery, coil or regulator.

 

Don't change your battery as it may still be ok just that the stator coil is damaged and not charging or the regulator is damaged and can't convert high AC to low DC.

 

Regularly if you go bike shop they will claim battery spoil, if after changing battery still cannot they will claim regulator spoil and if still cannot then they claim stator spoil. By then you would have change battery, regulator and coil.

[nelo]

I suggest you to ascertain whether it is stator coil, regulator or battery failure. You can do that with a multimeter.

 

If it is either stator coil or regulator failure by jumping start it and riding it around you will be killing either the battery, coil or regulator.

 

Don't change your battery as it may still be ok just that the stator coil is damaged and not charging or the regulator is damaged and can't convert high AC to low DC.

 

Regularly if you go bike shop they will claim battery spoil, if after changing battery still cannot they will claim regulator spoil and if still cannot then they claim stator spoil. By then you would have change battery, regulator and coil.

 

woah, this is smth new..

 

my understanding from what u wrote, the stator coil functions to charge the battery right? how do i check which is damaged? and if its the coil thats damaged, why will jump starting the bike kill either the battery, coil or regulator? maybe u can explain this haha

 

from what i think is if the stator coil is damaged, jump start will work only while before the battery dies off again as the battery's nt charging isnt it. hmm..

[xyoshiki]

woah, this is smth new..

 

my understanding from what u wrote, the stator coil functions to charge the battery right? how do i check which is damaged? and if its the coil thats damaged, why will jump starting the bike kill either the battery, coil or regulator? maybe u can explain this haha

 

from what i think is if the stator coil is damaged, jump start will work only while before the battery dies off again as the battery's nt charging isnt it. hmm..

 

Assume u put a new battery in but it is ur coil that is damaged, then even if u start ur bike ur bike is not charging to the battery. This will drain the battery and may kill the new battery. Battery cannot go below certain voltage if you want ur battery to last.

 

If it is the regulator that is damaged, after u start the stator coil will try to charge the battery via the regulator. But the regulator is damaged so likely that the voltage is too high for the battery to take. Killing the battery as a result.

 

Jump start should work if stator coil is damaged. What I mean is the part if you don't know which part spoil may cause all the other parts spoil, not that jump start will spoil things.

[xyoshiki]

To check which parts spoil you need a voltmeter and charge ur battery.

 

Most chargers these days quite high tech e.g. Ctek, would have indicators on whether the battery is ok anot.

 

If battery can be charged and the indicators are ok then you can proceed to test, regulator and stator coil.

 

Normally you would need to throttle ur bike to say 4-5k rpm. Then see the change in voltage. If voltage remains unchanged then likely your stator coil damaged. If voltage you test is above the normal range of 14V+ when throttle at 4k-5k rpm then maybe regulator spoil.

 

For me I take the current and resistance at the stator coil connector there.....the wire that leads out from the stator coil.

[Aalex82]

To check which parts spoil you need a voltmeter and charge ur battery.

 

Most chargers these days quite high tech e.g. Ctek, would have indicators on whether the battery is ok anot.

 

If battery can be charged and the indicators are ok then you can proceed to test, regulator and stator coil.

 

Normally you would need to throttle ur bike to say 4-5k rpm. Then see the change in voltage. If voltage remains unchanged then likely your stator coil damaged. If voltage you test is above the normal range of 14V+ when throttle at 4k-5k rpm then maybe regulator spoil.

 

For me I take the current and resistance at the stator coil connector there.....the wire that leads out from the stator coil.

 

rectifier(rect) spoil can cause no charging of batt too..

the rite way is:-

1) when the engine is running at idle, note the voltage across the positive and negative point of the batt..

2) throttle the bike to 4-5k rpm.. the voltage should increase..

3) if voltage increase more than 15 after headlights is switch on, confirm rect problem..

4) if the voltage dun show any increase, means rect or stator coil(magnetic coil) may be spoil.

5) switch the ignition off

6) trace the wire from the rect to get the connector that link the rect and coil. since is a super4, the connector is the one that plug into the rect.

7) unplug the connector and start the bike again..

8) use a multimeter to check the resistance of pins in the connector.. For super 4, there are 3 pins at the 1st row and 2 pins at the 2nd.. try diff combination on these 3 pins at the 1st row wif red wire from multimeter on Pin 1 and black on Pin 2. eg 1-2, 1-3, 2-3.

9) if there is a reading of more than 1 or 2 ohms, the stator is spoil.

10) if u connect a working bulb wif one ends connect to one of the 3 pins and the other end to the main frame, the bulb should not light up. if light up, oso means the coil is spoil.

11) in summary if the bulb is not lighten up and the resistance between the pins is low after these check, means coil is ok but rect is spoil.

[xyoshiki]

rectifier(rect) spoil can cause no charging of batt too..

the rite way is:-

1) when the engine is running at idle, note the voltage across the positive and negative point of the batt..

2) throttle the bike to 4-5k rpm.. the voltage should increase..

3) if voltage increase more than 15 after headlights is switch on, confirm rect problem..

4) if the voltage dun show any increase, means rect or stator coil(magnetic coil) may be spoil.

5) switch the ignition off

6) trace the wire from the rect to get the connector that link the rect and coil. since is a super4, the connector is the one that plug into the rect.

7) unplug the connector and start the bike again..

8) use a multimeter to check the resistance of pins in the connector.. For super 4, there are 3 pins at the 1st row and 2 pins at the 2nd.. try diff combination on these 3 pins at the 1st row wif red wire from multimeter on Pin 1 and black on Pin 2. eg 1-2, 1-3, 2-3.

9) if there is a reading of more than 1 or 2 ohms, the stator is spoil.

10) if u connect a working bulb wif one ends connect to one of the 3 pins and the other end to the main frame, the bulb should not light up. if light up, oso means the coil is spoil.

11) in summary if the bulb is not lighten up and the resistance between the pins is low after these check, means coil is ok but rect is spoil.

 

Well done. Put this as a sticky!

[m8nub]

hi,my spec 3 has the same problem 2,twice i had to push start home,take out the battery and charge overnight at home b4 putting it back.battery last about a month b4 die,thought it was normal because of all the riding with the headlights on..looks like somethings spolit after reading this.

[nelo]

hi,my spec 3 has the same problem 2,twice i had to push start home,take out the battery and charge overnight at home b4 putting it back.battery last about a month b4 die,thought it was normal because of all the riding with the headlights on..looks like somethings spolit after reading this.

 

how did you charge at home? O.O

[dragonforce]

battery chargers lor.. i have 1 at home as well..

[m8nub]

how did you charge at home? O.O

 

battery charger,its my dad one,he bought it for $24,kuz he says its much cheaper than bring it to the shop to charge one time for $4.btw,my spec 3 is a 08 one,prevoius owner install a lot of led with very poor messy wiring done.i removed the alarm kuz bike couldnt start.later i remove all the led because cash card reder couldnt work.now battery die on me twice since riding for 4 months.wonder whats wrong now,bring to shop scared kena chop..any advise?

[xyoshiki]

battery charger,its my dad one,he bought it for $24,kuz he says its much cheaper than bring it to the shop to charge one time for $4.btw,my spec 3 is a 08 one,prevoius owner install a lot of led with very poor messy wiring done.i removed the alarm kuz bike couldnt start.later i remove all the led because cash card reder couldnt work.now battery die on me twice since riding for 4 months.wonder whats wrong now,bring to shop scared kena chop..any advise?

 

Suggest you test ur battery whether is it holding charge well in the first place by using a multimeter. This could be done by charging up ur battery to max then leave it for say half an hour or one hour then see what is the reading. When is the battery changed? If no proper maintenance most batteries should last approx 1.5 – 2 yrs?

 

Anyway be careful when u use charger also. Fxxk up charger will kill ur battery one.

[SMR]

rectifier(rect) spoil can cause no charging of batt too..

the rite way is:-

1) when the engine is running at idle, note the voltage across the positive and negative point of the batt..

2) throttle the bike to 4-5k rpm.. the voltage should increase..

3) if voltage increase more than 15 after headlights is switch on, confirm rect problem..

4) if the voltage dun show any increase, means rect or stator coil(magnetic coil) may be spoil.

5) switch the ignition off

6) trace the wire from the rect to get the connector that link the rect and coil. since is a super4, the connector is the one that plug into the rect.

7) unplug the connector and start the bike again..

8) use a multimeter to check the resistance of pins in the connector.. For super 4, there are 3 pins at the 1st row and 2 pins at the 2nd.. try diff combination on these 3 pins at the 1st row wif red wire from multimeter on Pin 1 and black on Pin 2. eg 1-2, 1-3, 2-3.

9) if there is a reading of more than 1 or 2 ohms, the stator is spoil.

10) if u connect a working bulb wif one ends connect to one of the 3 pins and the other end to the main frame, the bulb should not light up. if light up, oso means the coil is spoil.

11) in summary if the bulb is not lighten up and the resistance between the pins is low after these check, means coil is ok but rect is spoil.

 

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[nelo]

yeah nice tips.. but i dont have a voltmeter darn...

[nelo]

guys, if my bike's battery is almost flat(cannot start, headlight vert dim),

and i cannot push start cos of arm injury.. should i remove the battery?

[NightPhantom]

ask someone to help u to push... if able to start but ur speedo and odo jumping... ur rectifier spoil....

[dragonforce]

ask some1 to push start your bike for you.. let the engine run for a while to charge up the battery a little.. then just start the bike everyday make sure the battery wont be flat again until you can ride..

[nelo]

haha okay.. anybody stays central dont mind help me push start?

 

pm me! :cry:

[Nescafe]

how much is 1 battery. My spec II kana the same problem also.

 

just to confrim, When switch on the bike, the needle goes up and down, when u ty to start the needle goes up and down again means its going low battery ?