alternative to suspension rebuild,good price....

[phantom150]

Hi guys,

 

just to share with you guys what i did on my fazer 1k gen 1 recently....

 

last mth i did a fork servicing ( oil change plus clean up...) at sporting motors , also included a fork spring change...... using ohlins fork oil....

 

the improvement was significant, no more frt diving..... when initial hard throttle, no more frt wheel lift up/floating feeling.....

 

cost was 300 for the all, i requested to change the fork seals as well, though i reused back the dust covers

 

 

convince it was money well spent, i went back yesterday to service the rear shock, and they got a ohlins spring just nice for the gen 1( ohlins dun make springs replacement for stock shock, so i used 1 that was exactly the same as our oem shock, but stiffer spring rate)

 

cleaned up all the internals... and recharge nitrogen gas....

shock spring was a pleasant surprise.......

 

the rear shock was serviced for 180....., springs 120... total 300.

 

2 other o rings was changed too, that was paid separately...., they only change what is worn, nothing more......

 

All started from inquiring ard the limited suspension options in sg, some quoted me 2 mths waiting time for parts, some was reluctant to do, 1 "P" brand quoted me a price on PM, but another price over the phone...... dammm!!!!!!!!!!

 

Sporting was my last option cos they presented a race only shop, but turns out the new management realized the general biker like me also appreciated a well serviced suspension at a reasonable price......

 

They allowed me to be there all the way, some other shops simply told me takes 2 days..... or ask me leave bike there. i even took pics while the mech was cleaning the rear shock!!!!

 

fyi, the fork springs took me abt 2-3 hrs( all parts ready and bought) to be done, while shock took me half a day(bcos they had to get some seals that was worn)

 

i left a happy customer, there's still shops willing to do suspension for the everyday biker like me, at a reasonable price....

 

i dun race or need top range race products, and they didnt push me to get a race shock like some others do....

[Manfred003]

Yo dude , can p.m me this place , ty ...

[phantom150]

Yo dude , can p.m me this place , ty ...

 

you can call them at 63960230 or 91726793..... i dun have the exact address on hand....... sorry abt it................

[blackprince]

service is very good , i personally went down there to service my galfren's cbr 1k.

 

 

This is the addrees,

 

Blk 1 kakai bukit ave 6

#02-60 autobay

[aRcHeR]

erm.. full service means all parts included, meaning seals, dust cover(s), o-rings, bump stop. fresh dose of oil, inspection of hard internals for wear and tear..

 

everything must go be it worn or not for seals, dust covers, o rings and bump stops.

 

and the price should include everything in.

[phantom150]

erm.. full service means all parts included, meaning seals, dust cover(s), o-rings, bump stop. fresh dose of oil, inspection of hard internals for wear and tear..

 

everything must go be it worn or not for seals, dust covers, o rings and bump stops.

 

and the price should include everything in.

 

 

i think i forgot to mention, i chose not to change unworn

stuff,(only change the fork seals)...... e.g dust covers, i have fork seal guards, thus dust covers becomes my 2nd line of defence......if u wanan change all the seals , by all means, they can change for u as well..... prices i aint very sure as diff bikes/brands may have diff prices for diff qty of seals......

 

like i posted in the fazer forum, this was the most reasonable price.... some other shop charge 280 just for svcing....+ 220 for springs, this is still in my PM, so i called them up to verify, the spring became 350 when i said i only wanted to change shock spring only, no svcing??? maybe they transfered the labour cost from svcing here??? i dunno.

their front spring package was 340 frt springs,+ svcing, and no seals+ dust covers included(thats when i asked, then i knew), to be bought by them ur urself. They may claim to have lotsa race-experience, but frankly they way they quoted and the un-certain tone he talked to me, leaves lots to desire.

 

paying more for something that cost more and they cant even present or rather try to present to you as good leaves lots to be desired about their actual standards or maybe they aint interested in non-race bikes??? i dunno and dun think will bother to find out base on this experience with them.

 

 

another charge 450 for frt and rear spring change but NO SVCING, just spring change, ordering takes 2 mths already, as they mentioned to me in a PM.

 

so the sporting deal to me was the most value for money, svcing + changing of springs all in for a price i was happy with........, last but not least, they dun crap me with all the race experience they have. i'm just a day-day biker that needs a better suspension, dun bore me with race-spec stuff that cost mths of my pay!!!!!!

Edited January 6, 2010 by phantom150

[aRcHeR]

if you change just the springs only, surely they will have to charge you for labour..

 

it aint easy to take out a mono-shock. not forgetting its a class 2 bike. okok, class of bike doesn't make any difference, but it's still a mono-shock. it's not like S4 whereby the shocks are easily accessible.

 

as for the seals, all OE seals comes in a set.. seals and dust covers. they don't go seperately. and go only for the OE seals, for your case, from yamaha.

 

it makes no point to go for the cheaper seals which could compromise the service lifespan.

 

and also, as mentioned.. full servicing must include oil, o-rings, seals + dust cover..

 

anyway, care to PM me with which shops were they?

[phantom150]

true.....

 

but they were not upfront abt it.............

 

regardless wat class the bike is, i did inform them wat i was riding, and in the pm they even told me certain common wear and tear with my model, so being the suspension specialist they claim, to be, they should not have any problems right??? afterall they are they expert as they self claim leh.....

 

1 even told me they cant do on certain weeks, bcos they were busy with preparing for race..., seriously, if other shops can accommodate to my timing

and do for a reasonable price then theirs, why should i be bothered if they even win the moto GP!!!!

 

i didnt said i use seals other than yamaha's oem leh...., i did use back yamaha's oem seal..... brand new, i told sporting to prepare it. i resued back the dust covers..... which i deem as good condition and the fact i added TUSK fork seal savers (goggle it) after this servicing......

 

cheaper seals or parts dun equate to lower service lifespan..... or performance, durability.

 

an good example would be spark plugs and brake pads...., bike manufacturers dun make them at all, they contract this certain parts manufacturers to make them, in the process have a certain quantity to full fill in their contract , thus oem items becomes more expensive than wat the same items would cost without the bike branding packing......

 

why i know, i quoted for ebc hh and oem yamaha brake pads, the later came out more ex... who is the clear cut winner on braking power, is well known, just goggle.............. certain parts thats only unique to the bike, then i would agree, we dun have a choice but to use back oem parts.

 

as far as i am concerned, the 3 shops, sporting and the other 2 shops, all quoted w/o seals and dust cover...., so i am comparing among shops that sell suspension products as their very own product.......

 

i cant speak for shops which take products from this 3 shops or some other shops that also does the above services i did at sporting......

 

 

just make a guess lo... cos i have no intention to create this thread to bring them down either.....

 

this is a thread to share my experiences at sporting....

 

the comparision was made as a gauge among the shops i enquired over PM.

 

needless to say i chose sporting, cos they were upfront about what i enquired, their package was the most value for money among the 3.

 

btw, this is just a IMHO, in no way trying to create a flame or take sides.....

 

cheers..............

 

 

if you change just the springs only, surely they will have to charge you for labour..

 

it aint easy to take out a mono-shock. not forgetting its a class 2 bike. okok, class of bike doesn't make any difference, but it's still a mono-shock. it's not like S4 whereby the shocks are easily accessible.

 

as for the seals, all OE seals comes in a set.. seals and dust covers. they don't go seperately. and go only for the OE seals, for your case, from yamaha.

 

it makes no point to go for the cheaper seals which could compromise the service lifespan.

 

and also, as mentioned.. full servicing must include oil, o-rings, seals + dust cover..

 

anyway, care to PM me with which shops were they?

[aRcHeR]

cannot compare dedicate items like seals to items like plugs/chains..

 

if you are using ohlins or bitubo, surely when you go back to the shop for servicing, definitely you wan their original spare parts, right?

 

simple reason being original part from the manufacturer are the exact same part that came with your bike for the very first time.

 

true.....

 

but they were not upfront abt it.............

 

regardless wat class the bike is, i did inform them wat i was riding, and in the pm they even told me certain common wear and tear with my model, so being the suspension specialist they claim, to be, they should not have any problems right??? afterall they are they expert as they self claim leh.....

 

1 even told me they cant do on certain weeks, bcos they were busy with preparing for race..., seriously, if other shops can accommodate to my timing

and do for a reasonable price then theirs, why should i be bothered if they even win the moto GP!!!!

 

i didnt said i use seals other than yamaha's oem leh...., i did use back yamaha's oem seal..... brand new, i told sporting to prepare it. i resued back the dust covers..... which i deem as good condition and the fact i added TUSK fork seal savers (goggle it) after this servicing......

 

cheaper seals or parts dun equate to lower service lifespan..... or performance, durability.

 

an good example would be spark plugs and brake pads...., bike manufacturers dun make them at all, they contract this certain parts manufacturers to make them, in the process have a certain quantity to full fill in their contract , thus oem items becomes more expensive than wat the same items would cost without the bike branding packing......

 

why i know, i quoted for ebc hh and oem yamaha brake pads, the later came out more ex... who is the clear cut winner on braking power, is well known, just goggle.............. certain parts thats only unique to the bike, then i would agree, we dun have a choice but to use back oem parts.

 

as far as i am concerned, the 3 shops, sporting and the other 2 shops, all quoted w/o seals and dust cover...., so i am comparing among shops that sell suspension products as their very own product.......

 

i cant speak for shops which take products from this 3 shops or some other shops that also does the above services i did at sporting......

 

 

just make a guess lo... cos i have no intention to create this thread to bring them down either.....

 

this is a thread to share my experiences at sporting....

 

the comparision was made as a gauge among the shops i enquired over PM.

 

needless to say i chose sporting, cos they were upfront about what i enquired, their package was the most value for money among the 3.

 

btw, this is just a IMHO, in no way trying to create a flame or take sides.....

 

cheers..............

[phantom150]

i'm comparing parts that bike manufacturers sub let out

 

same like suspension, i dun think any bike manufacturers makes them in their own factory......

 

My shock and front fronk are all changed with ohlins springs, everything else is original.....

 

however, if the shock or fork comes stock ohlins like duacti. i wun bother buying from ducati oem spares.... i will buy straight from ohlins, if u get what i been trying to you.

 

In fact, its its a simple O ring, i even can go to O ring manufactuers that does retails and get better grade O rings then wat the OEM offer me with better durability.

 

 

Like u said "original part from the manufacturer are the exact same part that came with your bike for the very first time.

 

I dunno u get what i mean, many parts are not made by the bike manufacturer right in their own factory.... Or you aint sure of this process???

 

In this example, suspension, some bikes use showa, some WP, some ohlins, some kayaba , some "sachs"- aprilla.

 

So the original part ,in your logic , came straight from the suspension factory then to the bike manufactures packed with their own brand label then shipped out to be bought by consumers like us.

 

IMHO, i would buy direct from the suspension source.

 

Another source i would buy from would be the seals specialist, if the seal is a generic O ring size.They can offer me a better grade seal.

 

There's lotsa along jln beasar selling such stuff and they stock seals for more rigid applications than automotive usage. I know cos i use them daily at work. I bought a 1kplus O ring that will cost 50% more when i buy direct from the oem machine manufacturers. makes no sense to buy from oem manufacturers in this situation right???

 

Its like buying a branded PC, for the same amount, i could assembled a far better spec pc myself with better parts.

 

Even on the branded pc,say the HDD fail out of warrenty period, i wun waste time going back to their service centre buying their HDD which cost far more for the same thing if bought in sim lim.

 

anyway, its no longer a suspension thread anymore, becoming a chatting thread.......

[aRcHeR]

i think you got out of range liao..

 

o-rings are generically available.. but oil seals may not..

 

if your bike comes with 'aftermarket' suspension as stock parts, then of course getting from manufacturer will be better. but even if you do get from OE, it is still from the 'aftermarket' manufacturer.

 

but as said here, fazer comes with OE suspension.

 

but then again, to each his/her own.

[phantom150]

oil seals can come in the form of o rings .......

 

oil seals so long in common shape can be bought off the shell as well.....

 

again, that depends on ur capability, then again, its the internet age now,unless ya living in some cave or some well........

 

my take is to buy non oem if they are better in grade/quality/price.

 

i dun wan my money to pay for the bike branding label on the packing, so what its oem.....,when its more ex and lower quality.....

 

just for reads, some better type of material use in o rings/seals/watever u want to call to seal stuff.....,simple english standards required to understand only.....

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viton

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalrez

[overcrash]

any idea wat time they are open ? also do you need to make an appointment before going down ?

[phantom150]

you can call them at 63960230 or 91726793..... i dun have the exact address on hand....... sorry abt it................

 

service is very good , i personally went down there to service my galfren's cbr 1k.

 

 

This is the addrees,

 

Blk 1 kakai bukit ave 6

#02-60 autobay

 

any idea wat time they are open ? also do you need to make an appointment before going down ?

 

 

eh, give them a call lah.... as with prev experience i had with my prev bike suspension svcing at other shops, i always give a half day allowance.... but the frt fork they did for me in 3 hrs, although everything was ready b4 i went down.....

 

i dun think appt need lah, if just normal oil change and such... unless stuff like overhaul, front and rear suspension servicing together.....

 

anyway, safest to call..... unless of cos ya staying just ard kaki bukit!!!!!!