photographer club

[scud]

huh... only both of us!!!

 

*look around* come come join us for this outing.

Where - Mandai Zoo

Time - 8.30am

When - 30 Jan 05 (Sun)

 

not to worry of cam type, we are not going to discreminate your equipment.

btw, i will be bringing my nikon 4MP coolpix, newbie too (P&S digicam).

 

horizoner, the more the merrier mah......

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Any need a DigiCabi for storing their camera?

 

I've got one not being used at the moment and it can hold at least 2 camera.

 

Its grey in colour.

 

Saw that its for sale at most Cam shop for $99/-

 

Think I will want to sell it for $38/-. Cash and carry.

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 12 2005, 10:02 PM

how many L of storage?

Think its only 2.

 

But got one more piece to squeeze it to 3 shelf.

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 13 2005, 07:43 AM

ok ... i consider joining us for the photography trip to the zoo?

Can't dear.

 

Got things on that day liao.

[scud]

i believe it is 30L, assumption based on the selling price of $99 at most shops.

if 2L, then my camera box (yes, box that comes with my camera) still bigger than 2L!!

 

horizoner, i think we need to postpone outing to a later date.

i have corporate event on sat (29Jan) that stretches past midnite.

may not be able to wake up on sun!!!'

next outing, meal on me!!! my apology.

[scud]

did some still life at home recently.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/scud01/DPP_4484.jpg

[scud]

setup:

1. tent

2. 2xflashes both not hot shoe mounted

3. 28-75 f2.8 lens

4. shoot in raw

 

watch is automatic, which after few days it will stops. so happened that it stopped at that time. for product shoot, need to pay attention to the product's logo.

[scud]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 14 2005, 01:16 PM

the tent was bought from the MO one is it?

yup, that one.

[scud]

here is the setup....

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/scud01/setup1.jpg

[Pauche]

hi guys, i am new to photography..... anyone can enlighten me on some basic skills:

 

1) when to use ISO50/100/200/400?

 

2) for consumer camera Canon Ixus, which does not have apperture settings, how do you take shots where u have the object sharp background blur?

 

3) how do u guys setup or use the exposure and/or daylight balance in the camera?

 

thanks experts......

[scud]

Originally posted by Pauche@Jan 14 2005, 03:02 PM

hi guys, i am new to photography..... anyone can enlighten me on some basic skills:

 

1) when to use ISO50/100/200/400?

 

2) for consumer camera Canon Ixus, which does not have apperture settings, how do you take shots where u have the object sharp background blur?

 

3) how do u guys setup or use the exposure and/or daylight balance in the camera?

 

thanks experts......

ISO (low-up to 200, high - up to 800)

good points

high - for hi speed action, nite scene

low - good lighting condition (daylight with bright sunlight)

 

bad points

high- have digital noise in the photos

 

sharp object, blur background - an effect due to Depth of Field (DOP)

focus at the object by half press shutter and hold, then recompose and full press on the shutter.

 

cant understand yr 3rd question.

for most cam, exposure is set automatically when u are shooting at Auto mode.

 

have fun.

btw, we are no expert here.

expert dont go around and spend their time online, they rather spend their time doing bussiness. we are merely hobbyist & have the time to surf the net.

[sunnyday]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 15 2005, 07:38 AM

4 factors affect the depth of field.

- focal length (zoom)

- aperture size

- distance between lens and subject

- distance between subject and back ground

 

so for consumer cam, here is wat u can do

- set to the max optical zoom

- place yr subject as far away from the back ground as possible. Best is a big open space or a long corridor

- stand as close as u can to the subject.

 

BINGO! Of cos, don't expect the same result as a SLR

for consumer cam

the dof is way too large n usually the whole picture is in focus n unable to achieve the background blur effect..even at max zoom n largest aperature

[Pauche]

Originally posted by scud@Jan 14 2005, 04:04 PM

ISO (low-up to 200, high - up to 800)

good points

high - for hi speed action, nite scene

low - good lighting condition (daylight with bright sunlight)

 

bad points

high- have digital noise in the photos

 

sharp object, blur background - an effect due to Depth of Field (DOP)

focus at the object by half press shutter and hold, then recompose and full press on the shutter.

 

cant understand yr 3rd question.

for most cam, exposure is set automatically when u are shooting at Auto mode.

 

have fun.

btw, we are no expert here.

expert dont go around and spend their time online, they rather spend their time doing bussiness. we are merely hobbyist & have the time to surf the net.

 

4 factors affect the depth of field.

- focal length (zoom)

- aperture size

- distance between lens and subject

- distance between subject and back ground

 

so for consumer cam, here is wat u can do

- set to the max optical zoom

- place yr subject as far away from the back ground as possible. Best is a big open space or a long corridor

- stand as close as u can to the subject.

 

BINGO! Of cos, don't expect the same result as a SLR

Hey professor,

thanks for the detailed explaination

 

1) how about when taking indoor photos, what ISO settings is best used?

 

2) i mean if i were to use the exposure settings manually, how do i determine when to use +ve or -ve exposure? as in indoor vs outdoor, etc?

 

3) do consumer camera have focal length? and sometimes you take shots where you do not have the privilege to "- place yr subject as far away from the back ground as possible. Best is a big open space or a long corridor - stand as close as u can to the subject. " so what can u do to achieve that 'sharp object, blur background effect' on a consumer camera?

 

4) i realised that when i take shots under yellow filament lighting, there are a lot of noise in the pic.... how do i eliminate this problem?

 

5) when u take pic in the dark, open area at night without good lighting, what is best? with or w/o flash? frm my observation, w/o flash the colour seemed nicer, but again a lot of noise distortion and blurness unless i use a tripod, and i can take whole background pics. When I use flash, it is very bright on the object, and behind the background is all dark, and also have lots of reflection when using flash in given scenario. what do u suggest i should setup?

 

thanks.........

[sunnyday]

Originally posted by Pauche@Jan 15 2005, 09:52 AM

Hey professor,

thanks for the detailed explaination

 

1) how about when taking indoor photos, what ISO settings is best used?

 

2) i mean if i were to use the exposure settings manually, how do i determine when to use +ve or -ve exposure? as in indoor vs outdoor, etc?

 

3) do consumer camera have focal length? and sometimes you take shots where you do not have the privilege to "- place yr subject as far away from the back ground as possible. Best is a big open space or a long corridor - stand as close as u can to the subject. " so what can u do to achieve that 'sharp object, blur background effect' on a consumer camera?

 

4) i realised that when i take shots under yellow filament lighting, there are a lot of noise in the pic.... how do i eliminate this problem?

 

5) when u take pic in the dark, open area at night without good lighting, what is best? with or w/o flash? frm my observation, w/o flash the colour seemed nicer, but again a lot of noise distortion and blurness unless i use a tripod, and i can take whole background pics. When I use flash, it is very bright on the object, and behind the background is all dark, and also have lots of reflection when using flash in given scenario. what do u suggest i should setup?

 

thanks.........

1. higher ISO will mean a faster shutter speed..however it will also mean a more grainy picture..so give n take..depends on wat u wan

 

2. +ve n -ve exposure is to manually correct the exposure bcoz sometimes the camera may be tricked into thinking that the place is brighter/darker than it seems

 

3. for consumer cam..almost impossible to have the blur background effect..almost the whole photo will be at least half sharp

 

4. change yr white balance??not sure exactly wat problem..wat iso setting u use??try using a lower iso to have lower noise

 

5. yr flash's range should be ard 2-4m max..that is y yr foregrd..within yr flash range is bright..while yr backgrd..more than 4m away..is dark..unless u use a more powerful flash..u can't do much to light up the backgrd..

tripod n long exposure would be a better choice given the limited range of the flash n if the subj is stationary

[Pauche]

Originally posted by sunnyday@Jan 15 2005, 10:33 AM

1. higher ISO will mean a faster shutter speed..however it will also mean a more grainy picture..so give n take..depends on wat u wan

 

2. +ve n -ve exposure is to manually correct the exposure bcoz sometimes the camera may be tricked into thinking that the place is brighter/darker than it seems

 

3. for consumer cam..almost impossible to have the blur background effect..almost the whole photo will be at least half sharp

 

4. change yr white balance??not sure exactly wat problem..wat iso setting u use??try using a lower iso to have lower noise

 

5. yr flash's range should be ard 2-4m max..that is y yr foregrd..within yr flash range is bright..while yr backgrd..more than 4m away..is dark..unless u use a more powerful flash..u can't do much to light up the backgrd..

tripod n long exposure would be a better choice given the limited range of the flash n if the subj is stationary

1) 1/40 is considered slow shuttle speed and 1/800 is high shuttle speed right? so do u mean that since my camera do not have that shuttle speed settings, i will use ISO as a general setting to determine shuttle speed?

 

2) so how do i know to use +ve or -ve exposure before the shot is taken? or have to try one shot first then agar agar adjust accordingly?

 

3) ok, so LL lor.....haahaaa

 

4) if use low ISO for indoor poor lighting background, the effect will always be blurred unless use tripod lor..... so i am using higher ISO to get 'sharper' images but drawback is that a lot of noise in the shot..... *haiz*

 

5) cos i realise that the pic can see more depth when taken even in total darkness w/o flash. but once i use flash, only the front few meter's distance is clear..... what do u advise?

 

 

u oso a photography enthusiast? hey when come out go take some shots? i ride slowly lah.... dun later say smell smoke again.... haahaaaa

[sunnyday]

Originally posted by Pauche@Jan 15 2005, 11:07 AM

1) 1/40 is considered slow shuttle speed and 1/800 is high shuttle speed right? so do u mean that since my camera do not have that shuttle speed settings, i will use ISO as a general setting to determine shuttle speed?

 

2) so how do i know to use +ve or -ve exposure before the shot is taken? or have to try one shot first then agar agar adjust accordingly?

 

3) ok, so LL lor.....haahaaa

 

4) if use low ISO for indoor poor lighting background, the effect will always be blurred unless use tripod lor..... so i am using higher ISO to get 'sharper' images but drawback is that a lot of noise in the shot..... *haiz*

 

5) cos i realise that the pic can see more depth when taken even in total darkness w/o flash. but once i use flash, only the front few meter's distance is clear..... what do u advise?

 

 

u oso a photography enthusiast? hey when come out go take some shots? i ride slowly lah.... dun later say smell smoke again.... haahaaaa

1. 1/40 is slow 1/800 is fast

for 1/40..it means the shutter is open for 1/40 seconds lor..1/40 is longer than 1/800 rite??so slower lor..

generally for handheld..1/60 is abt the slowest u can go la..but if yr hands is stable..can go to ard 1/45 or even 1/30 for a relatively sharp photo..

for yr cam..think more of a PNS cam..dun think have Av n Tv rite..both shuttle speed n aperature both oso canot choose..then only can choose ISO lor..haha..actually i dun really noe how yr cam works..buy my cam la..cheap cheap gd gd..got manual functions somemore

 

2. erm..tis one i oso not sure how to ans u..haha..i normally leave it at 0..haha..or maybe after u have taken the photo..u look at yr LCD..c how the photo turns out..n do compensation accordingly lor..but then again..LCD too small to really c the photo i feel

 

4. bcoz with poor lighting..the cam will select a longer shutter speed to allow more light to go in..coz less light mah..with longer shutter speed..unless yr hands super stable..anot sure blur wan..that's y a tripod will come in handy..haha..as i said..try not to allow shutter speed to go below 1/60 for hand held shots

 

5. bcoz with flash..the cam will also select a faster shutter speed..with a faster shutter speed..less time for light to go into the cam..so the "further" area's lighting will not be able get into the photo..

advice ah??use manual mode with flash..choose a longer shutter speed n use flash..i dunoe yr cam can do that anot though..mine can

 

beri layman explanation..hope u understand..

 

haha..i read abt it..enjoy looking at nice photos..have a cam..but no time to take photos la..anyway my skills sux..noe a bit of theory here n there though

[Pauche]

Originally posted by sunnyday@Jan 15 2005, 11:59 AM

1. 1/40 is slow 1/800 is fast

for 1/40..it means the shutter is open for 1/40 seconds lor..1/40 is longer than 1/800 rite??so slower lor..

generally for handheld..1/60 is abt the slowest u can go la..but if yr hands is stable..can go to ard 1/45 or even 1/30 for a relatively sharp photo..

for yr cam..think more of a PNS cam..dun think have Av n Tv rite..both shuttle speed n aperature both oso canot choose..then only can choose ISO lor..haha..actually i dun really noe how yr cam works..buy my cam la..cheap cheap gd gd..got manual functions somemore

 

2. erm..tis one i oso not sure how to ans u..haha..i normally leave it at 0..haha..or maybe after u have taken the photo..u look at yr LCD..c how the photo turns out..n do compensation accordingly lor..but then again..LCD too small to really c the photo i feel

 

4. bcoz with poor lighting..the cam will select a longer shutter speed to allow more light to go in..coz less light mah..with longer shutter speed..unless yr hands super stable..anot sure blur wan..that's y a tripod will come in handy..haha..as i said..try not to allow shutter speed to go below 1/60 for hand held shots

 

5. bcoz with flash..the cam will also select a faster shutter speed..with a faster shutter speed..less time for light to go into the cam..so the "further" area's lighting will not be able get into the photo..

advice ah??use manual mode with flash..choose a longer shutter speed n use flash..i dunoe yr cam can do that anot though..mine can

 

beri layman explanation..hope u understand..

 

haha..i read abt it..enjoy looking at nice photos..have a cam..but no time to take photos la..anyway my skills sux..noe a bit of theory here n there though

1) thanks for ur explaination.....

 

2) yah usually on LCD see ok, but when upload onto PC, can be blur also.

 

4) so i set ISO200/400 with flash & white balance for indoor shots with poor lighting?

 

5) ok ok try try again lor.....

 

* wat kinda photos u see huh? those artistic ones ah??? heeheeeheeee

[sunnyday]

Originally posted by Pauche@Jan 15 2005, 12:29 PM

1) thanks for ur explaination.....

 

2) yah usually on LCD see ok, but when upload onto PC, can be blur also.

 

4) so i set ISO200/400 with flash & white balance for indoor shots with poor lighting?

 

5) ok ok try try again lor.....

 

* wat kinda photos u see huh? those artistic ones ah??? heeheeeheeee

u wan..u can go clubsnap.org to ask the real experts..haha

[scud]

1stly, i like your signature with "you are 111.222.222. bla bla..." interesting...

 

ok, some input from me b4 i go out.....

1. slow shutter speed is generally longer than 1/30. some will say 1/60, but there is no actual fix limit.

i did shoot at 1/8 & 1/4 for wedding before (the food presentation of the 1st course), where waiter bring out food with candle lighted up in total darkness. before the shutter closes, my flash fires and this will freeze the motion of the waiter at that point. so end effect will be a trails of lights proceeding from the door to the table. i did b4 1/30 in studio shoot, using fan blowing to her hair, creating the effect that i like. so it is up to each individual, if you are good and have a steady hand try experimenting with very slow shutter speed.

 

2. pix from LCD may look good as the size of lcd is small. lcd on my cam is juzt for me to do a quick check. i check the histogram on the lcd, but seldom look at the photo.

 

sunnyday & horizoner also gave valuable inputs, so do give a try on it,

btw, did you see that there is an outing to zoo on 30 Jan 05?

come join the outing and you will learn more... but not from the expert, just us, purely hobbyist.

[sunnyday]

Originally posted by scud@Jan 15 2005, 01:41 PM

1stly, i like your signature with "you are 111.222.222. bla bla..." interesting...

 

ok, some input from me b4 i go out.....

1. slow shutter speed is generally longer than 1/30. some will say 1/60, but there is no actual fix limit.

i did shoot at 1/8 & 1/4 for wedding before (the food presentation of the 1st course), where waiter bring out food with candle lighted up in total darkness. before the shutter closes, my flash fires and this will freeze the motion of the waiter at that point. so end effect will be a trails of lights proceeding from the door to the table. i did b4 1/30 in studio shoot, using fan blowing to her hair, creating the effect that i like. so it is up to each individual, if you are good and have a steady hand try experimenting with very slow shutter speed.

 

2. pix from LCD may look good as the size of lcd is small. lcd on my cam is juzt for me to do a quick check. i check the histogram on the lcd, but seldom look at the photo.

 

sunnyday & horizoner also gave valuable inputs, so do give a try on it,

btw, did you see that there is an outing to zoo on 30 Jan 05?

come join the outing and you will learn more... but not from the expert, just us, purely hobbyist.

not all cam got histogram..dun think mine has

[speedtriple]

Originally posted by Pauche@Jan 15 2005, 11:07 AM

1) 1/40 is considered slow shuttle speed and 1/800 is high shuttle speed right? so do u mean that since my camera do not have that shuttle speed settings, i will use ISO as a general setting to determine shuttle speed?

 

2) so how do i know to use +ve or -ve exposure before the shot is taken? or have to try one shot first then agar agar adjust accordingly?

 

3) ok, so LL lor.....haahaaa

 

4) if use low ISO for indoor poor lighting background, the effect will always be blurred unless use tripod lor..... so i am using higher ISO to get 'sharper' images but drawback is that a lot of noise in the shot..... *haiz*

 

5) cos i realise that the pic can see more depth when taken even in total darkness w/o flash. but once i use flash, only the front few meter's distance is clear..... what do u advise?

 

 

u oso a photography enthusiast? hey when come out go take some shots? i ride slowly lah.... dun later say smell smoke again.... haahaaaa

2) for the exposure setting if you are using, what u can do is depress the shutter release button halfway first at neutral exposure setting while composing the shot and see the pic in the lcd to see if the pic is too dark or too bright. from there u can step down or up the exposure and try again. if happy with the pic in the lcd, take the pic then preview it and use digital zoom to see the quality of the bigger pic.

 

the pic in the lcd is not accurate as it is small and subjected to the lighting around you. if you are viewing it under the bright sun, u might think it looks ok till u download it to your pc!

 

ISO is the sensitivity of the film or sensor to light. for film, a high ISO is required for low light so that the chemicals react even if there is little light falling on it. if you use high ISO for a bright shot, your pic will come out overexpose becos the film reacts totally to the brightness.

[scud]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 15 2005, 03:47 PM

30th jan? u not coming right?

i doubt i can make it on that day..... unless i dont sleep after the event.

but then, i will sleep in the office on monday liao.... hehehehe..

 

btw, please bring along the below...

 

http://www.pbase.com/ycteoh/image/38631609.jpg

[speedtriple]

anyone of you are macro shooting fans?

[scud]

Originally posted by speedtriple@Jan 15 2005, 11:01 PM

anyone of you are macro shooting fans?

prefer to shoot ppl, still life and abstract. macro esp nature is not my cup of tea.

 

just trying out something, feedback appreaciated.

u guys think this border nice? the caption is the font name and settings.

anyother tips to add on?

 

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v511/scud01/IMG_3714copy.jpg

[scud]

Originally posted by horizoner@Jan 16 2005, 07:30 AM

border is but not suitable for this picture. i can forsee it being used on a b/w pic

yes, the pic used in the example is just in experimental stage.

any pic will be good as the effect of the border will make it more outstanding.

i have the same sentiment of using b&w photo.