Varadero 125

VaraStormer · June 23, 2005

Originally posted by Pro Dero@Jun 23 2005, 10:00 PM
varastormer

more pro & cons from me by next week when i am free, hopefully....hehehe! i will do a TOTAL stripe of my vara AGAIN...

alarm cheetah something i 4got & intend to get another set cuz da old 1 i lost da spare controller....its at sim lim tower ask electronic level 3 if i aint wrong....tell me if u goin k?

btw yusri, zul & i will wait aft 28 liao...pay day now super broke.....

Btw, can let me know the price also lah.. then can ask botak to install for me. Maybe can get it together and install together. heehee.. but is it expensive or not???

SHAHRUL · June 23, 2005

abt the spark plugs..i recently change to denso plugs it was ok at 1st but nowadayz it is hard for me to go 100km/h tried my top speed it at 2nd link it never touches 120km/h not even a 100km/h hahaha.....n when there's a pillion i struggle so much no matter how light my pillion is.... NGK spark plugs is much better i think...

DaNiYaL · June 23, 2005

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

Werxguy Wedding

Sunday 3 July 2005

Attending

1. Daniyal

2. pro dero

3. klutch

4. mixmaster

5. yusri

6. zul

7. Niti

8. F.O.R

9. byteblock

10.

Pending

1. Visual

2. Dakar

3. Al-Simmons

4. Keropoz

5. yem_paul

6. unknown

7. RideLiquid

Brothers...i seek your co-operation by confirming your participation for the escort by next Sunday...2 weeks away to the wedding...i already did my own recce...i also would like to have volunteers to be markers or guide for the escort...and we would do recce together again....Thank you...

Prodero >>> Thanks for getting back as soon as you can...

F.O.C >>> Hmmm...are you sure?...muz check again with the manual...eheheh...sorry bro...under my recommendations...that you use the denso...sorry.......

Niti >>> Bro...i need your help...is it ok if you could provide the walkie talkies for the escort?...

To brothers who went to Kelong juz now...sorry if the place close very early for today...eheheh...luckily...the other Kelong have not closed yet...got discount some more...well i hope you guyz enjoy the makan and the riding today!...

other than that...keep it coming!...

visual · June 24, 2005

Funny thing about spark plugs..

NGK (apprantly there is 2 type of NGK) the one that is made in MY and another made in Japan... the bike manual suggest 'CR8EH-9' , yet when im in KL and got sparkplug NGK (CR8E) it also works...(infact lasted for 5 months..)....

so the real question.. is the price .. which is cheaper ?? cos if we can use the cheaper NGK-CR8E(made in MY), then why pay more for the 'recommended in the manual' type...

Also... since i was not able to get new sparkplug (due to price is expensive), i decided to do an old trick that i hear old-school bikers do (on their 2 stroke bikes).. take out the plug, 'sand paper' the tip.. till shiny... then put it back... suprizingly... pickup and 2nd gear transition.. is better.... maybe this is a good temperory alternative... so i guess its good to keep 'sand paper' in the tool kit.. just in case...

What do NGK part numbers signify?

A. Part number represent.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/table_bp.jpg

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/plug_illustrated.jpg

What is the function of a spark plug?

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/what_is.jpg

# it operates under extreme conditions.

# It withstands repeated cycles between normal temperature and 2,000 ~ 2,500 degrees celcius.

# It withstands high voltages of 20,000 - 30,000 V.

# It withstands pressures of 50 kg/per cm squared.

# It withstands chemical corrosion caused by gasoline and combustion gases.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/plug_cross_section.jpg

Q11. What is a racing spark plug?

A. It is a high performance spark plug for high power engines with increaced compression ratio and higher rpm.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/11_green_field.jpg

Q14. What is spark plug fouling?

A. It is a phenomenon by which carbon attached to the firing end causes electrical leakage that leads to mis-firing.

As the high voltage generated by the ignition coil leaks away through the carbon, mis-firing may occur and cause running and starting difficulties.

Fouling mis-fire

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/voltage_leak.jpg

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/fouling.jpg

As carbon builds up, the insulation resistance of the spark plug drops and the voltage generated by the ignition coil is reduced. When the generated voltage becomes lower than the required voltage of a spark plug (the voltage needed to cause sparks at the spark gap), sparking is suppressed and mis-firing occurs.

Q15. What is spark plug overheating?

A. Prolonged overheating may induce abnormal combustion (pre-ignition), resulting in melting of the spark plug electrodes.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/overheating.jpg

Overheated spark plugs have a white insulator surface at the firing end speckled deposits. Electrode melting represents excessive overheating. When the spark plug temperature exceeds 870 degrees celcius, the firing end serves as a heat source before sparking and induces abnormal combustion (pre-ignition), possibily damaging the piston.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/piston.gif

Q19. How long will a spark plug last?

A. Even when a spark plug is correctly used, periodic replacement is required as it is a consumable item.

Examples of problems caused by excessively long periods of use

* Worn-out electrodes will have difficulty in sparking.

* Deposits accumulated on the firing end may induce abnormal combustion

(pre-ignition), causing problems that include melting of the electrodes.

http://www.ngkspark.com.au/images/id_table.jpg

different types of worn out sparkplug and its syntoms

SHAHRUL · June 24, 2005

TUk Tuk Man>>>>its okie bro no harm done hahahaha we wouldnt know until we try right......i'm thinkin of buying a new spark plug as i sometimes send my buddy from werk home cant stand the struggle of reaching 100km/h n i hate the feeling as if my bike going reserve tank...like cowboy riding a horse...wuhu!!

Niti · June 24, 2005

Visual The spark plug u were talking about... I believe I'm using the same one. Got it from GHC Yishun, and it cost me $8. Actually I dun expect much frm the spark plug but when since I 1st use it 2 weeks back, at times I could feel as if I'm rding a camel!!! Very disappointing... actually wanted to change to the iridium ones ubt budget leh.....

DaNiYaL Bro, bout e walkie talkie, no prob. Would try to get frm my friend for e escort. Did u mentioned volunteers? I'm raising my hand here...!!

Pro Dero · June 24, 2005

yo outriders....

here is da workshop, varastormer, yusri, zul & i went to da other day....

md faizal aka botax...

nTrust enterprise 10 amk ind park 2a #05-28 amk auto point S568047

tel 64813620

F.O.R

why did u change ya plugs so quickly? FZ plate still super fresh plugs lei....?

mines change from iridium or was it platinum to normal denso, less heat from engine so far, i burnt 3 plugs so far within 3 months...hehehe!

btw da carb clearance do play a major role in ya speedo to hit 115km/h like mine...

daniyal

Werxguy Wedding

Sunday 3 July 2005

# wanna join but TBA

Attending

1. Daniyal

2. pro dero

3. klutch

4. mixmaster

5. yusri

6. zul

7. Niti

8. F.O.R

9. byteblock

10.

Pending

1. Visual

2. Dakar

3. Al-Simmons

4. Keropoz

5. yem_paul

6. unknown

7. RideLiquid

8. mohammad 74 #

9. ridzuan vara tiger #

10. hairil s4 #

11. fatality wr4 #

12. daniyal xr4 #

niti

i tot dat time u change to iridium at ah wah....hehehe!

Pro Dero · June 24, 2005

oit 2nd link toll up to 60cents for bikes now......

http://202.79.216.235/trafficsmart/images/4713_1718_20050624171613_24f27e.jpg

http://202.79.216.235/trafficsmart/images/4703_1718_20050624172115_c685f3.jpg

causeway free as always but comes wif alot of CARBON & free 2T.....hehehe! white card house no more gotta get from da chop booth....

http://202.79.216.235/trafficsmart/images/2701_1724_20050624172614_001d3e.jpg

http://202.79.216.235/trafficsmart/images/2702_1724_20050624172615_aacc7e.jpg

DaNiYaL · June 24, 2005

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

niti >>> thanks bro...You are in!...

by the way...all of you said about riding a camel...well actually i am facing it now...kinda stressful...coz it is not smooth anymore......why?....

F.O.C >>> Brother..we are in the same boat!....

happy125 · June 24, 2005

Originally posted by DaNiYaL@Jun 24 2005, 05:48 PM
Whats Up DaWgZ!!

niti >>> thanks bro...You are in!...

by the way...all of you said about riding a camel...well actually i am facing it now...kinda stressful...coz it is not smooth anymore......why?....

F.O.C >>> Brother..we are in the same boat!....

Bro,

About this not smooth ride, do you think it is caused by the petrol that we pumped in?

I experienced this same thing 'loss of power' on and off after I top-up at GP................

dakar · June 24, 2005

Spark Plug...eeemmmm.....still got no definate answer to this problem...but here are some issues to ponder on.....

1. How can we know that d plug we buy is not d REJECTED ones..?

2. A spark plug fires just as much as d engine revolution (RPM)..idling speed 1.5..

which is 1500 revolution per minute...so if suay to get the reject one than...too

bad lah.

3. When intial moving off even after warm up..DO NOT ACCELERATE SO FAST as if

u are in a race track...sudden input of electrical power will send the spark plug

some sort of heart attack..move off slowly & increase speed slowly...

4. If u notice a KTM rider always blast its bike when its time to move off...its has

something to do with the spark plug also...if u dont BLast the bike ur plug will

blow..that applies to racing bikes configuration...but not our bike....i used

to use 6 spark plug ONE day when riding KTM..coz i dont BLAST d bike...but my

friend did...so he survive for a month or more...

5. Recently a mechanic drop my spark plug...before fixing..then when he fix it on

my bike...it lasted for a week only..thenn same same lah...like camel...

All of the above story is from real life experience...not to brag about it but just something for everyone to look into coz it happens to some of our fello bikerrsss..

Niti · June 24, 2005

Originally posted by happy125@Jun 24 2005, 06:10 PM
Bro,

About this not smooth ride, do you think it is caused by the petrol that we pumped in?
I experienced this same thing 'loss of power' on and off after I top-up at GP................

I believe its the spark plugs ah. When i changed the spark plugs, I was using SG petrol. 1 week later i was using JB's. Both are the same

Must be a "Spark Plug Flu" season.....

Pro Dero Iridium was the ones I used to Cherating. Now I use normal ones ah. lots of difference man

Talking bout Cherating, me n Soffian are talking about a sequel trip to Cherating, hehehe....

klutch · June 24, 2005

To all who has this loss of power/camel-like feeling when riding, i experienced the same thing for the whole of last week. Earlier this week i took out my spark plugs n scraped the black thingy(carbon) off my plugs n the power, (if there was any to begin with) was back n the camel slaughtered. Changed back to the stock plugs on wednesday n tested them on the way back from Tuas yesterday. 120 through the whole stretch of AYE/KJE/BKE. :lovestruck:

At times i did touch 125 but i guess they were on downslopes. :sweat:

(Hoped there were no 'photographers') o_O

dakar · June 24, 2005

Originally posted by klutch@Jun 24 2005, 06:45 PM
To all who has this loss of power/camel-like feeling when riding, i experienced the same thing for the whole of last week. Earlier this week i took out my spark plugs n scraped the black thingy(carbon) off my plugs n the power, (if there was any to begin with) was back n the camel slaughtered. Changed back to the stock plugs on wednesday n tested them on the way back from Tuas yesterday. 120 through the whole stretch of AYE/KJE/BKE. :lovestruck:
At times i did touch 125 but i guess they were on downslopes. :sweat:
(Hoped there were no 'photographers') o_O

Thats the spirit...NO FEAR:bouncefire:

Beb · June 24, 2005

klutch>>Careful bro nowadays TP seems to be every where..Those travelling on KJE to PIE should be aware TP would do their operation usually 11pm onwards...And From Tuas Checkpoint to AYE morning time 7am till 10am & 10pm onwards..Just based on my experience so far.

unknown · June 24, 2005

Originally posted by byteblock@Jun 22 2005, 10:38 PM
can i ask...the escort gang for visual's wedding,are we bringing our pillions, or are we all single?

Bro, upz to u bro....the more ppl the merrier!!!

VISUAL

Hehe, like your invitation webby And for the spark plugs, guessed u covered all angles. Good info

Pro Dero · June 24, 2005

niti

so da ah wah ones is da iridium eh? or vice versa....i used da platinum one or normal one same prob front plug always blow....it happened twice on da rd....sounds like small explosion, i tot it was bulb but den da bike screamin like crazy bcuz of my severe hell ridin...hehehe!

but such thing happens i would use STP petrol treatment like my uncle told me to use feels clean but aft 1500km same sympton appear like flu....blah blah again.....

beb

thanks for da info.....beware of TPE-SLE alot of fishin TP there where i kena dat time.....

DaNiYaL · June 24, 2005

Originally posted by happy125@Jun 24 2005, 06:10 PM
Bro,

About this not smooth ride, do you think it is caused by the petrol that we pumped in?
I experienced this same thing 'loss of power' on and off after I top-up at GP................

Whats UP DaWgZ!!

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds

Date : 01 July 2005, Saturday

Place : PrinceJade

Attending

1. Daniyal & partner

2.

3.

4.

5.

happy125 >>> Bro...this might sound stupid...eheheh...i started to have these camel riding symptons when i use caltex....from there...it escalated...yesterday was the worst...i cant even hit 100km/h....i started to use caltex last month...i guess...it might not suitable for my bike...BUT...i realise that...if i dun pump full....it minimize the camel riding....vice versa for the effect to come alive....i dun know...i am going to send in my bike for servicing...i ask the mechanic...in my opinion...it could be 2 reasons...spark plug and fuel line in the tank...could be choke....but i am going to get to the bottom of this...

Rideliquid · June 25, 2005

Originally posted by DaNiYaL@Jun 24 2005, 11:20 PM

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds
Date : 01 July 2005, Saturday
Place : PrinceJade

Bro 1st july Friday la dey...so which is it..???

DaNiYaL · June 25, 2005

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

rideliquid>>> Yeah hor!...my bad..my bad...eheheheh....

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds

Date : 02 July 2005, Saturday

Place : PrinceJade

Attending

1. Daniyal & partner

2.

3.

4.

5.

byteblock · June 25, 2005

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds

Date : 02 July 2005, Saturday

Place : PrinceJade

Attending

1. Daniyal & partner

2. byteblock & client

3.

4.

5.

Al-Simmons · June 25, 2005

Originally posted by DaNiYaL@Jun 25 2005, 01:19 PM
Whats Up DaWgZ!!

rideliquid>>> Yeah hor!...my bad..my bad...eheheheh....

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds
Date : 02 July 2005, Saturday
Place : PrinceJade

anyway what time huh??

if im not working at that time can join..

but need to know lar what time....so can arrange for different shift....

happy125 · June 25, 2005

Originally posted by DaNiYaL@Jun 24 2005, 11:20 PM
Whats UP DaWgZ!!

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds
Date : 01 July 2005, Saturday
Place : PrinceJade

Attending

1. Daniyal & partner
2.
3.
4.
5.

happy125 >>> Bro...this might sound stupid...eheheh...i started to have these camel riding symptons when i use caltex....from there...it escalated...yesterday was the worst...i cant even hit 100km/h....i started to use caltex last month...i guess...it might not suitable for my bike...BUT...i realise that...if i dun pump full....it minimize the camel riding....vice versa for the effect to come alive....i dun know...i am going to send in my bike for servicing...i ask the mechanic...in my opinion...it could be 2 reasons...spark plug and fuel line in the tank...could be choke....but i am going to get to the bottom of this...

I just had my full-servicing about 2 weeks ago. Spark-plugs changed as usual and my bike was very smooth until after I top-up at GP. Thats why for my case I really think its the fuel-lah. I will monitor after the next top-up this time in SG and see what happen.

DaNiYaL · June 25, 2005

Whats Up DaWgZ!!

Movie Outing

Movie : War Of The Worlds

Date : 02 July 2005, Saturday

Place : PrinceJade

Time : Around 8.30pm

Attending

1. Daniyal & partner

2. byteblock & client

3.

4.

5.

Happy125>>> I suspect the fuel also...but cannot be...even before this happened...i have been topping up at JB....this only happen after i use caltex...do get back to us...after you topping up in SG....

Werxguy Wedding

Sunday 3 July 2005

# wanna join but TBA

Attending

1.

2. pro dero

3. klutch

4. mixmaster

5. yusri

6. zul

7. Niti

8. F.O.R

9. byteblock

10.

Pending

1. Visual

2. Dakar

3. Al-Simmons

4. Keropoz

5. yem_paul

6. unknown

7. RideLiquid

8. mohammad 74 #

9. ridzuan vara tiger #

10. hairil s4 #

11. fatality wr4 #

12. daniyal xr4 #

Dear brothers...i am pulling out from the escort...due to i have 3 important weddings to attend on that day....well i hope to see you guyz at werxguy wedding place...i will be there around 3.30pm....

prodero>>> is it ok...if you could liase with VVVV regarding the escort...coz i have been liasing with him...thank you...

Pro Dero · June 25, 2005

varastormer

its abt $70 in da sbf mass order, there r a few ppl doin it now...

daniyal

possible reason for camel effect:

1. over flow of fuel in da jet wind floaters dat stablise fuel intake dat time ah wah showed me...

2. foul plugs due to carbon build up or its firing too much spark givin u da giddy ride

3. valve clearance not smooth.....alot of things to theorically but u gotta let a pro strip it n show u all man...hehehe!

now bike got da pick up clearance after 4000rpm below dat its like chokin at da carb...cuz botax haven throughly examine but he can tell u ah wah use alot of sports bike stuff on my bike which is not necessary better get a v-strom & whack da da throttle den tak waste time liao...hahaha!

abt werxguy wedding i gotta alias wif elws not vvvv ley....got convoy or not i am there man...ciau!

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