My bad experience with LAB

[Kaizer]

Originally posted by xiaogary@May 6 2004, 05:17 AM

Actually ask yourself you want cheap or not, if you want cheap, dont complain poor service. Want good service, there are other place but more expensive of course. If you managed to find a place as cheap and good service...tell me I also want to go.

Eunos Superbike got some stuff, but not as many lah.

 

And prices are DEFINITELY reasonable, and they don't TRY to cheat people.

[xiaogary]

Originally posted by Kaizer@May 6 2004, 08:41 PM

Please, just give me an answer to this question, you guys:

 

"Went to coffeeshop, went to this stall, keep peering in yet the ppl inside ignore you like you some sort of fly liddat, keep walking in and out, chit chatting and doing everything else EXCEPT ask you if you needed or wanted anything.

 

And when you order, and take a seat, your food never did come, and it's been 30 minutes.

 

And when you confront them, they say oh yes yes it's almost ready, points to an empty wok and tells you to wait.

 

You wait another 15 minutes and finally get your food, albeit by a sh*t-faced bast*rd who doesn't even have the decency to say, "Sorry for being late" and expects you to pay up.

 

Worse of all, you notice that you were given fried rice, not chicken rice, as you have ordered."

 

I really wanna know how you guys would react to this.

Simple, when you go into that coffeeshop, if no one serve u, u have the right to walk away and dont let them earn a single cent. But anyway since you decided to wait, means you accepted their service standard. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

Then when you order your food, you havent pay your money. You have the right to walk away and say you dont want already bcos you haven pay and they are taking so long to prepare your food. But anyway since you decided to wait, means you accepted their speed. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

Then when you were given the wrong food, you have the right to demand a change. If they insist not to change, you have the right to boycott them. But if you never even try to ask them to change, means you accepted the wrong food. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

 

For me, I will go into a coffeeshop and if nobody serve me, its normal bcos I know myself I walked into a coffeeshop and not restaurant. So self service is nothing wrong. Got money go else where eat la.

 

Then when the food very long never come, I will just walk away and never come back again if they really so guo fen bcos money in my pocket, I have the right to choose.

 

If they give wrong food, its my responsibility to check that its right b4 I give money. If not correct, I am not paying. Since you never check, its your own fault I suppose.

[Kaizer]

Originally posted by xiaogary@May 6 2004, 10:00 PM

Simple, when you go into that coffeeshop, if no one serve u, u have the right to walk away and dont let them earn a single cent. But anyway since you decided to wait, means you accepted their service standard. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

Then when you order your food, you havent pay your money. You have the right to walk away and say you dont want already bcos you haven pay and they are taking so long to prepare your food. But anyway since you decided to wait, means you accepted their speed. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

Then when you were given the wrong food, you have the right to demand a change. If they insist not to change, you have the right to boycott them. But if you never even try to ask them to change, means you accepted the wrong food. Then since you accepted, why are you complaining?

 

 

For me, I will go into a coffeeshop and if nobody serve me, its normal bcos I know myself I walked into a coffeeshop and not restaurant. So self service is nothing wrong. Got money go else where eat la.

 

Then when the food very long never come, I will just walk away and never come back again if they really so guo fen bcos money in my pocket, I have the right to choose.

 

If they give wrong food, its my responsibility to check that its right b4 I give money. If not correct, I am not paying. Since you never check, its your own fault I suppose.

u have the right to walk away

 

You have the right to walk away

 

and say you dont want already

 

You have the right to walk away

 

etc etc etc.

 

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Gary, you see, we live in a civilized world with civilized people, whereby PATIENCE is SUPPOSED to be regarded a virtue.

 

I can see by your rhetorical reactions that you're one fussy and impatient guy who's brash and impulsive. Sad to say, most are unlike you; most ppl would choose to be more patient, more optimistic, more forgiving and AVOID conflict.

 

Most people would rather choose to BELIEVE that people should be honest and be responsible for their actions. People EXPECT service from a service counter (of any sort, even at a coffeeshop), why the hell would it even be CALLED a service counter, and you're now telling us that, it's okay, just walk away, don't complain? Heh, wow. You're really empty inside, huh?

 

Besides, dissecting a rhetorical scenario is really, how do i say this without offending you, really...misguided. Do you not get the point at which I'm trying to arrive to?

 

ANYWAY, the scenario was based on a self-service stall, whereby you walked UP into the front of the stall and peeking over into, expecting to hear a "Yes, what do you want?" or something.

 

have the right to boycott them

 

This is already self explanatory. This is what this thread is all about, boycotting, complaining. And you're saying this thread is based on the wrong reasons or not? I'm not sure of your stand on this issue.

 

I reiterate, you somehow managed to focus your ENTIRE attention towards the rhetorical scenario and totally ignore (or forgot?) the real matter at hand, how come??

 

And why the hostility? You, "sian" with me? Wah, if you "sian" with me, do what you did at the coffeeshop lah, just shut up, walk away and don't complain! I'm not even a service counter!!

 

(and with that, I hope you're not too dense to miss that last point.)

[Kaizer]

BTW, I find it ABSURD that you still lay all the blame on the customer, and *none* on the vendor. Wow!

[StingRhea]

things like bolts, nuts, simple accessories can buy down there like bike cover is very cheap, i got a super 4 with box sized cover @ $15 where else i saw someone posting here got one @ the same price for his SP. dunno how to word myself but there are somethings can buy, some is up to u~

[Kaizer]

Originally posted by xiaogary@May 6 2004, 05:17 AM

Actually ask yourself you want cheap or not, if you want cheap, dont complain poor service. Want good service, there are other place but more expensive of course. If you managed to find a place as cheap and good service...tell me I also want to go.

yes, i do agree too.

 

whereas we do not mind getting lousy service at a cheap place, we DO mind going to a cheap place with lousy service which CHEATS.

 

there's a big difference, or did you forget?

 

cheap does not amount to fake, imitation, etc, okay?

[tooned]

Originally posted by Kaizer@May 6 2004, 08:47 PM

You cannot have the chicken without the egg first!

 

It is, FIRST AND FOREMOST, the RESPONSIBILITY of the SHOP to sell what it is supposed to be selling, genuine items. If he DID however mention that what he was selling was recond-ed, or refurbished, or was just simply chiong, okay, fair enough.

 

But no, the items were SUPPOSED to be BRAND NEW and GENUINE articles!

 

So please don't give us that "buyer beware" crap, it cannot apply to this situation.

Ah well you missed my point.

 

If you read the post, you would have noticed it was and i was just disgusted at the way they chose to attacked slowrider personally and not what he wrote.

 

Anyway since this thread was dug out, it's common knowledge that the infamous shop resorts to tricks like this. So after they give you the goods that you want, is it that hard to check if it's really what you wanted?

 

I don't know, but all the things i bought from them have been checked before leaving the shop. However, I never gotten the wrong things before. Imagine they have so many customers and they're only human. Instead of playing your part to check, you blame everything on someone else.

 

I agree that it's appalling that a shop would do something like that. So why don't you protect yourself by checking. Don't expect anyone else to look out for you when you wanna go into such a shop with such a reputation.

[bambi18]

Honesty is the best policy, while cheap doesnt mean its not someones hard earn money......Not everyone gets gd pay checks and have the choices of things...Its easy to advice people ,but when it happends to you thats when it pricks......Cheating or swindling is not an option(bad for your Karma),earning money is not everything,its abt how you earn it,at the end of the day you think you have been honest,you sleep better at night...Its all abt moral issues.Money is easy to come respect is harder.....,BTW anybody in singapore can attain a lawyer and press charges for slander....and anybody can counter that claim in court wif the right evidences.Its not law issues ,personal issues or slander,but abt being a human,living by respect for one another........

 

P.S: I have tried my best to ans the moral questions that have come up,I'm no angel but try to live wif dignity and respect to my fellow humans. In no way i have directed any of my words to individuals ,but placing my advice in general,if i have offended anyone ,pls accept my humble apologizes.....And im no moral education teacher ahh....Best of HOPES to LAB ....

[happyrider]

So many replies, so many posts....

 

i cant even be bothered to read...

 

 

COS SIMPLY, I WONT BE PATRONISING L.A.B ANYMORE....

 

 

hahahahhahahahahahha...........................

 

 

:cheer:

[slowrider]

Originally posted by witch@May 5 2004, 06:09 PM

i hear b4 la.. my fren oso got kanna cheap by him.. i think he see pple one la... hmmm but no chioce leh.. he sell thing cheap.. so LL oso have to go there and buy la. if got $$ may go other place and buy lor.

If you got $$$$$ you won't be riding bike lah!...hahahahhaahahhahahahahahaahah

 

LAB is not cheap only some of his customers look cheap and want cheap and after buying things from him say he cheat!....my wordings seems to rhyme lei!!!..kekekekeke

[Kaizer]

Originally posted by tooned@May 7 2004, 01:26 AM

Ah well you missed my point.

 

If you read the post, you would have noticed it was and i was just disgusted at the way they chose to attacked slowrider personally and not what he wrote.

 

Anyway since this thread was dug out, it's common knowledge that the infamous shop resorts to tricks like this. So after they give you the goods that you want, is it that hard to check if it's really what you wanted?

 

I don't know, but all the things i bought from them have been checked before leaving the shop. However, I never gotten the wrong things before. Imagine they have so many customers and they're only human. Instead of playing your part to check, you blame everything on someone else.

 

I agree that it's appalling that a shop would do something like that. So why don't you protect yourself by checking. Don't expect anyone else to look out for you when you wanna go into such a shop with such a reputation.

alamak, i meant to quote only your first sentence lah, see the edited post.

 

anyway, the way you said it, i was under the impression that you supported slowrider's stand. weren't you?

 

BTW, in my honest personal opinion, to a certain degree, a person deserves to be attacked personally if he so chooses to stand by unethical practices.

 

[WildCard]

Originally posted by Kaizer@May 6 2004, 08:41 PM

 

Wah lan duey people like you, actually support shops like these?

 

No wonder nothing good ever comes out of Sim Lim Square, and no wonder cheating shops like the one in question actually survive.

 

Please lah people, i DON'T understand why you people still wanna support this kind of shops/people.

 

It's blatant and clear that the assh*le is trying to CHEAT everytime he gets to! And you condone that? I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!

 

:giddy:

 

I'm so dissapointed by you slowrider for making such a comment!

 

I know what you're talking about "IN THE REAL WORLD", but we're not discussing REAL WORLD SURVIVAL TACTICS here, we're discussing BLATANT CHEATING by a shop so notorious for it, and yet supported by some!!

 

You pay for an Arai helmet, you GET an Arai helmet! Full stop! Not some cheap ass imitation that you've tried on, tested, seen, touched and THOUGHT was really an Arai. What are we, professional testers? NO! We're customers, and we expect to GET what we PAID for! What if I've never had or touched an Arai helmet before, coz I just got my licence and looking forward to buying one. Would I know HOW an Arai helmet looks or feels like?!? Same goes for sizes, would I know?

 

It is the shop's RESPONSIBILITY to give people what they have PAID FOR!

 

I -do not- understand why you can say that LAB was unfortunate to get a customer like him!!

 

WHY?

 

:giddy:

 

I definitely would not reccomend going to that shop at all, coz I've got an experience of my own!

 

But to retract, even his customer service is horrible! Ignoring people, make people wait for so long...

 

Please, just give me an answer to this question, you guys:

 

"Went to coffeeshop, went to this stall, keep peering in yet the ppl inside ignore you like you some sort of fly liddat, keep walking in and out, chit chatting and doing everything else EXCEPT ask you if you needed or wanted anything.

 

And when you order, and take a seat, your food never did come, and it's been 30 minutes.

 

And when you confront them, they say oh yes yes it's almost ready, points to an empty wok and tells you to wait.

 

You wait another 15 minutes and finally get your food, albeit by a sh*t-faced bast*rd who doesn't even have the decency to say, "Sorry for being late" and expects you to pay up.

 

Worse of all, you notice that you were given fried rice, not chicken rice, as you have ordered."

 

I really wanna know how you guys would react to this.

 

And please, I know you're smart and educated, so let's not lower ourselves to an abysmal point.

 

Dude,

sorry for the late reply.

 

Did I ever say I supported him? In fact, my experience abt the chain and sprocket seem to indicate otherwise. Its just that I know from experience how the whole deal abt "cheap" motortiams get their business and just work around it from then on.

The deal is simple. These shops (I'm not naming names) have sumting you want. What makes them attractive is the price they offer. But there is sure to be a catch. Whether you want to take the risk to deal with them is up to you. You can avoid it by seeking advice from others or bringing those "experienced" ones to deal with these shops for you.

Or you can go to another shop. Tats wat I would do....

 

If kena by them and you wish to take legal steps, go right ahead and I'll be supporting you.

But for me, I can't be bothered. I've been bitten once and now 4x-shy. So I prefer to do my own research and browsing before going in head-first. There's many alternatives I can pursue that offer me better prices and better service. Its just a matter of effort to find these alternatives.....

[slowrider]

After reading on all the posts, those that curse LAB simply don't GET IT!

 

They just keep saying he cheats ppl who buy things from him.

 

Somehow these ppl who goes to LAB to buy something for example like a helmet and expect the quality of a ARAI but want ot pay for a ARAL only,,,,hahahahha

 

How could LAB cheat you if YOU THE CUSTOMER IS THE ONE who was cheap and yet want something of quality from LAB at the prices that he is selling!

 

You can go to the end of the world and yet not find such 'cheap things' that would satify BOTH your wallet and your taste!

 

WAKE UP!

[Kaizer]

slowrider, i would like to reiterate:

 

Cheap DOES NOT mean FAKE/ IMITATION.

 

It is NOT okay UNLESS it was declared beforehand.

 

This is a no-brainer, and I'm sure you do not need any further clarification of this statement.

 

The only point I would agree with you on your thesis is if it was applied to a SERVICE point of view e.g. cheap and lousy WORKMANSHIP.

[slowrider]

Originally posted by Kaizer@May 9 2004, 02:20 AM

slowrider, i would like to reiterate:

 

Cheap DOES NOT mean FAKE/ IMITATION.

 

It is NOT okay UNLESS it was declared beforehand.

 

This is a no-brainer, and I'm sure you do not need any further clarification of this statement.

 

The only point I would agree with you on your thesis is if it was applied to a SERVICE point of view e.g. cheap and lousy WORKMANSHIP.

So where in the world can you get CHEAP things that to YOU SHOULD NOT BE IMITATION and yet is of good quality?

 

Answer: At the end of the world....hahahahahhaha

[Demon]

Originally posted by slowrider@May 9 2004, 02:39 AM

So where in the world can you get CHEAP things that to YOU SHOULD NOT BE IMITATION and yet is of good quality?

 

Answer: At the end of the world....hahahahahhaha

this thread so hot, can't help not to join in .....heee

 

if LAB makes a statement of fact to a potential custom, which is false, then that's misrepresentation. The price, is inmaterial. Of course in law there is a distinction between "fraudulent misrepresentation", and "innocent misrepresentaion". Having said that, if an article is being sold well below it's market price, then you can continue dealing but very cautiously, or simply walk away.

[Demon]

Originally posted by xiaogary@May 6 2004, 05:17 AM

Actually ask yourself you want cheap or not, if you want cheap, dont complain poor service.

your statement is not in sync with the real business world. The business model is "cheaper" price but less service, definitely not "no service" or "poor service".

[Demon]

Originally posted by slowrider@May 8 2004, 02:16 AM

If you got $$$$$ you won't be riding bike lah!..

It would be enlightening to know how did you arrive at that conclusion ?

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Can everyone just simply switch back to just describing the experiences instead of arguing about whats right or wrong?

 

Cos there is always people only wanting to argue that they and their thinking is always right. And its tiresome.

 

And LAB services are slow, their things are cheap and yet there is always a big crowd of people there? There should be some indication that some things are not argue-able?

 

Fact is, people who goes there have a choice. And they exercised their choice.

 

You also have a choice. You can grumble, but please do not grumble till you make a fool of yourself.

 

BTW, jacky is now sliming down nicely.

[hondacbr2001]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@May 9 2004, 10:24 AM

Can everyone just simply switch back to just describing the experiences instead of arguing about whats right or wrong?

 

Cos there is always people only wanting to argue that they and their thinking is always right. And its tiresome.

 

And LAB services are slow, their things are cheap and yet there is always a big crowd of people there? There should be some indication that some things are not argue-able?

 

Fact is, people who goes there have a choice. And they exercised their choice.

 

You also have a choice. You can grumble, but please do not grumble till you make a fool of yourself.

 

BTW, jacky is now sliming down nicely.

ya loh ! ai pi ai qi ! they are like wholesaler ! got cheap and expensive !

 

you got a choice to purchase . so why so many arguements ????? open one LAB and see if people will criticise you .

 

jacky huh !!!! he where got slim down !! doesnt seems like leh !

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by hondacbr2001@May 9 2004, 10:29 AM

jacky huh !!!! he where got slim down !! doesnt seems like leh !

Got lah......he not so 'bah bah' liao lah.

 

Just saw and talk to him a bit the day before & yesterday lah.

 

Anyway, I've never brought things from him wan lah. So I am not that biased against him.

[hondacbr2001]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@May 9 2004, 10:33 AM

Got lah......he not so 'bah bah' liao lah.

 

Just saw and talk to him a bit the day before & yesterday lah.

 

Anyway, I've never brought things from him wan lah. So I am not that biased against him.

neither am i ! i buy from LAB then go back liao . good no good ! keep to myself only !! cause you cant den they selling you cheapo stuff !

 

jacky scare when i come de !!! cause after he tell me the price , i always shout back to ah boy and he will give me more discount . jacky BTH me ! maybe i scare the fats out of him . hahahahah !

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by hondacbr2001@May 9 2004, 10:36 AM

jacky scare when i come de !!! cause after he tell me the price , i always shout back to ah boy and he will give me more discount . jacky BTH me ! maybe i scare the fats out of him . hahahahah !

Errr.........I think I employ similiar tactics wan lah......

 

Always will smile nicely and pester ah boy for cheaper price. Then must see situation.

 

Always pester him when there isn't much customer in the shop, so he won't be put in a spot about giving too much discount. Most times, he also 'conviniently forgot' about the price he discount for me and charge me some $20/- more.

 

But I 'suat' lah.....cos I know the price is low liao lah.

[Guest limpeiwah]

pls lah u buy mhr from LAB what u expect? arai quality for 30 odd dollars ah (which is what i paid for my mhr helmet)

[hondacbr2001]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@May 9 2004, 10:45 AM

Errr.........I think I employ similiar tactics wan lah......

 

Always will smile nicely and pester ah boy for cheaper price. Then must see situation.

 

Always pester him when there isn't much customer in the shop, so he won't be put in a spot about giving too much discount. Most times, he also 'conviniently forgot' about the price he discount for me and charge me some $20/- more.

 

But I 'suat' lah.....cos I know the price is low liao lah.

mei ren ji no good !!! cause i got nan ren ji , no use at all !!

 

ah boy all right lah !!! if you know the price liao ! just pay the price lower then he says . he still take !