Stop and moving on slope

[Limbi]

Hi, 

I'm currently learning motorbike lesson and am learning to move and stop on slope. I know the procedure of doing it. But at times where im nervous of lack of confidently. Im worried that when im moving off from the up slope to the down slope, i might lost control and hit the bike infront of me which are stopping at the down slope. Anybody have this situation before. Or can advise me what to do? 

Thank you.

[adesmond2]

1 hour ago, Limbi said:

Hi, 

I'm currently learning motorbike lesson and am learning to move and stop on slope. I know the procedure of doing it. But at times where im nervous of lack of confidently. Im worried that when im moving off from the up slope to the down slope, i might lost control and hit the bike infront of me which are stopping at the down slope. Anybody have this situation before. Or can advise me what to do? 

Thank you.

dun worry.. just be confident that you will not.. clutch in and press brake depending on the distance between you and the rider.. 

Brake will not fail you de..

[Limbi]

Okay, thank you. I will try to have more confident. Thank you

[pinksheep]

This is a good scenario to discuss as especially for new riders (As observed at BBDC when I take license ) 

- Lack of throttle application means unable to go up the slope, engine stall. 
When you are in a starting uphill position, it is important to think of Your Bike First and not whether anything else is on the other side of the slope. As bro Desmond aptly says, confidence is important here. To me confidence is think of You first

Remember gravity is against you and with 2B bike it is highly unlikely anything will go wrong if you apply too much power - not like the movies were James Bond is seen revving the throttle on his scrambler and suddenly the bike is flying over an Italian street

- After going over the peak will I crash into someone? 
This is actually a valid scenario once you are on public roads and traveling at extremely high speeds, if you're riding a more casually tuned machine you do actually plan ahead what speed you want to take over a hill, and if there is a traffic light on the downslope, don't blindly accelerate downhill else you may find yourself struggling to find enough braking distance to stop.

However for the driving school it is a slow speed scenario and so long as you apply sensible power to go on top of the hill, gravity itself will drag your bike down and you remain in very low gear. You will have sufficient time to spot if there are other vehicles lining up ahead, as it is not a very steep slope and very low speed is used. 

Thus there is definitely sufficient time and ability for your reflexes (brake application) and within the capability of the training motorcycle to stop in time - furthermore you will be observing how many bikes / cars went over the top anyway. 

- Pro tip 

When in driving school always test the brakes when you're picking up the bike, if brake feels spongy or weak change the bike. Never find out 'too late' that you fail the lesson because of faulty machine...

[apogeeXX]

is it straight road up and down slope ? At the learning center ?

at the foot of the slope, i think you need to control the clutch and throttle so that engine doesn't die while trying to climb, or roll backwards as you move off ...
also, keep your eyes on the crest of the slope and feel the bike; (where you look at is where you will go, it is important ... )
nearing the crest of the slope, slow down because you can't really see beyond the crest; there may be someone stopped mid way downslope
at the crest, you can see what's downslope and decide what to do next.

Going down slope, make sure clutch is fully engaged; you use your engine-brake to control the speed down slope.
Maybe a gear 2 and close off throttle; if that's still too fast, down gear to gear 1; lower gear, lower speed.
Let the bike coast down on its own without throttle, and clutch fully engaged (to use the engine-brake).
Once you get the feel, you can adjust the control parameters to your own preference.

It's not difficult. Good luck and enjoy the ride.

[adesmond2]

10 hours ago, pinksheep said:

This is a good scenario to discuss as especially for new riders (As observed at BBDC when I take license ) 

- Lack of throttle application means unable to go up the slope, engine stall. 
When you are in a starting uphill position, it is important to think of Your Bike First and not whether anything else is on the other side of the slope. As bro Desmond aptly says, confidence is important here. To me confidence is think of You first

Remember gravity is against you and with 2B bike it is highly unlikely anything will go wrong if you apply too much power - not like the movies were James Bond is seen revving the throttle on his scrambler and suddenly the bike is flying over an Italian street

- After going over the peak will I crash into someone? 
This is actually a valid scenario once you are on public roads and traveling at extremely high speeds, if you're riding a more casually tuned machine you do actually plan ahead what speed you want to take over a hill, and if there is a traffic light on the downslope, don't blindly accelerate downhill else you may find yourself struggling to find enough braking distance to stop.

However for the driving school it is a slow speed scenario and so long as you apply sensible power to go on top of the hill, gravity itself will drag your bike down and you remain in very low gear. You will have sufficient time to spot if there are other vehicles lining up ahead, as it is not a very steep slope and very low speed is used. 

Thus there is definitely sufficient time and ability for your reflexes (brake application) and within the capability of the training motorcycle to stop in time - furthermore you will be observing how many bikes / cars went over the top anyway. 

- Pro tip 

When in driving school always test the brakes when you're picking up the bike, if brake feels spongy or weak change the bike. Never find out 'too late' that you fail the lesson because of faulty machine...

7 hours ago, apogeeXX said:

is it straight road up and down slope ? At the learning center ?

at the foot of the slope, i think you need to control the clutch and throttle so that engine doesn't die while trying to climb, or roll backwards as you move off ...
also, keep your eyes on the crest of the slope and feel the bike; (where you look at is where you will go, it is important ... )
nearing the crest of the slope, slow down because you can't really see beyond the crest; there may be someone stopped mid way downslope
at the crest, you can see what's downslope and decide what to do next.

Going down slope, make sure clutch is fully engaged; you use your engine-brake to control the speed down slope.
Maybe a gear 2 and close off throttle; if that's still too fast, down gear to gear 1; lower gear, lower speed.
Let the bike coast down on its own without throttle, and clutch fully engaged (to use the engine-brake).
Once you get the feel, you can adjust the control parameters to your own preference.

It's not difficult. Good luck and enjoy the ride.

@Limbi

indeed.. just remember gear 1 more preferable.. reason - slower = safer

always remember in school.. the slower and safer you are, the easier for you to pass..