[Group] YAMAHA RXZ

[toofaz]

Originally posted by jauhary@Jul 14 2006, 10:27 PM

any one uses a chamber pipe?

is it any good?

im using one but i dont see the "power" people have been talking about.

chamber pipe is for high rpm use..kire nk kene tarik panjang aru dapat difference..chamber low rpm memang ade mendak ckit..tapi klau nk pakai chamber,sume settings mesti mau btol..klau tk...jeng jeng jeng....hehe

[mfaisalby]

Klau orang kate "kau nak kena rebore piston".. ape maksudnye ah?

 

Mcmner dorang rebore piston? Cuci tu piston ke tukar the whole set?

 

Piston aku dah bunyi2 (mcm longgar camtu)

 

Patne bleh rebore piston? brp it will cost?

 

And ape tu piston ring?

[bloodybaguz]

Originally posted by mfaisalby@Jul 16 2006, 02:20 PM

Klau orang kate "kau nak kena rebore piston".. ape maksudnye ah?

 

Mcmner dorang rebore piston? Cuci tu piston ke tukar the whole set?

 

Piston aku dah bunyi2 (mcm longgar camtu)

 

Patne bleh rebore piston? brp it will cost?

 

And ape tu piston ring?

dari mana kao dengar org rebore piston

kalo rebore block ade ar.

piston ring terletak d keliling piston ar.

[Alexevo]

HI, frens, recently i've some prob wit my bike..i hear tat my engine sound seems louder from last time as i don noe y..it happens when i open throtte, when i close throtte, e sound is normal..i realise tat e sound come from the "blog".

Anyone noe wat had happen to my bike? I seldom "ram" my bike..

 

Thxs, ppl..

[mfaisalby]

Originally posted by bloodybaguz@Jul 16 2006, 05:16 PM

dari mana kao dengar org rebore piston

kalo rebore block ade ar.

piston ring terletak d keliling piston ar.

eh.. sorry... aku rase2 its rebore block ar... anyway, klau rebore block pn ape dorang buat? den klau nak tukar piston ngn piston ring brp cost? bila aku start engine utk warm up... piston aku bunyi mcm longgar (bunyi tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck.... all the way). any idea what happen and ape nak kena buat?

[faris]

top block gasket $4

bottom block gasket $4

exhaust gasket $2

spark plug $2.50

rebore block $8

new piston $45

fix yourself

[a]

Originally posted by mfaisalby@Jul 17 2006, 01:59 AM

eh.. sorry... aku rase2 its rebore block ar... anyway, klau rebore block pn ape dorang buat? den klau nak tukar piston ngn piston ring brp cost? bila aku start engine utk warm up... piston aku bunyi mcm longgar (bunyi tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck tuck.... all the way). any idea what happen and ape nak kena buat?

kau nak kena tukar piston dan rebore,why not buy my block n piston,just rebore.new piston also,just need to bring to shop or better still fix urself and problem will be solve.

going cheap..

[mfaisalby]

Chey... abang faris dah list down seh. K best!! Thanks bro.

 

By the way, piston ngn piston ring ade specific brands to recommend?

[mfaisalby]

Originally posted by a@Jul 18 2006, 01:39 PM

kau nak kena tukar piston dan rebore,why not buy my block n piston,just rebore.new piston also,just need to bring to shop or better still fix urself and problem will be solve.

going cheap..

1 size 0.50 size piston and block,still new just rebore only run for less then 100km,and come with original piston going for $100neg(view to believe)

pm me if intrested:smile:

 

I'll send the bike for servicing first. See what they quote me. If there's a need to change block or piston, will get back to you. Noted your advertisement. Thanks =)

[jauhary]

Sape2 bleh tolong.

Kedai moto maner pat sg aku bleh tukar tank seal stock aku jadek tank seal lets say, a tzm tank seal.

Aku dgr aku kenek extract the whole tank seal from a "tzm" tank coz they need the bottom part then can weld to my tank.

Btol?

kedai moto maner bleh buat?

Aku dah tak bleh tahan ah motor aku nyer tank asek spew minyak biler break kuat..

orang asek kater jgn isi full.. abeh kalau dah jatoh tu tak full pon klur jugak pe..

 

btw..chamber pipe is not stock? so if ill get fined for using it?

[bloodybaguz]

Originally posted by jauhary@Jul 21 2006, 03:43 PM

Sape2 bleh tolong.

Kedai moto maner pat sg aku bleh tukar tank seal stock aku jadek tank seal lets say, a tzm tank seal.

Aku dgr aku kenek extract the whole tank seal from a "tzm" tank coz they need the bottom part then can weld to my tank.

Btol?

kedai moto maner bleh buat?

Aku dah tak bleh tahan ah motor aku nyer tank asek spew minyak biler break kuat..

orang asek kater jgn isi full.. abeh kalau dah jatoh tu tak full pon klur jugak pe..

 

btw..chamber pipe is not stock? so if ill get fined for using it?

time aku bikin 380rm welding n spray.

kalo kat sg kao try kat sing ming dr.blk 32 e onli bike shop kat situ.

pasal harge im not sure buleh tanye sendiri ar.

kalo pipe dah di operate or chamber, mr ROV suka ar

lain ar pipe kao stock.

another thing to remind u, kalo da bikin tank

bila isi full tank is 9 lite je no more 13 lite.

[jauhary]

apa pasat 9 litre je?kan samer tank?camner dorang tukar tu tank seal?kalau dah tukar tu tank seal kalau aku tebalek2kan tak kluar setitek minyak kan?

 

kau nyer motor kau tukar cover pat left side of kau nyer engine eh?tukar cover tzm eh?ader ringan cket pe?

 

Ader sape2 bermoto rxz tgl daerah queenstown?nak jugak aku buat members yg tau service moto sendiri..

[Hyp3Soul]

Assalamualaikum semua brader Zek! Amacam semua...

 

Semenjak aku menonggeng dan terkangkang ni aku sebok ar cari harta untuk cover balek utang2 aku semua.

 

Banyak jugak eh page aku miss. Untuk sape2 yg ade tanye aku tapi tak layan dlm previous post, harap maaf eh! Untok brader Rowley & Toofast aku dgn bini aku ok... cuma minggu2 turun naik hospital bikin therapy je... Banyak blanja siak!

 

Untok brader2 yg baru join forum ni aku nak cakap "WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!!"

Insyaallah post korang akan aku rply dgn ilmu dan pengalaman yg tak seberapa aku ade!

[Hyp3Soul]

Originally posted by Alexevo@Jul 17 2006, 01:03 AM

HI, frens, recently i've some prob wit my bike..i hear tat my engine sound seems louder from last time as i don noe y..it happens when i open throtte, when i close throtte, e sound is normal..i realise tat e sound come from the "blog".

Anyone noe wat had happen to my bike? I seldom "ram" my bike..

 

Thxs, ppl..

It's normal for 2 stroke engine to have sound like that. If it really bothers you maybe you can do this simple test.

 

1) Check you 2T pump. Make sure it is in working condition.

2) Warm up your bike at least 10min and listen to the knocking sound and memorise how loud the sound is.

3) Ride your bike as normal for may be 20km or more...

4) Stop your bike, while idleing listen to the knocking sound again. Is it reduced? or dosen't have any sound at all? If this persist, it's not much of a problem, can continue to ride it, maybe ram it once awhile "PROVIDED" with 2T pump working of cause lah! Hahahaha....

 

Knocking sound in 2 stroke engine is normal because when starting the cold engine, the piston haven't expand, and the piston ring does not bedding propely to the cylinder wall and that cause knocking sound. The sound will be reduce after you ride it for few more kilometres

 

The sound will come back even if you change your piston or ring together. As long there's no loss of compression just ride it. Don't waste money.

 

If the sound is too loud and it bothering you, then go to your fav mechanic to check. Perhaps it could be your connecting rod and the crank shaft bearings need to be change.

[Hyp3Soul]

Originally posted by a@Jul 18 2006, 01:39 PM

kau nak kena tukar piston dan rebore,why not buy my block n piston,just rebore.new piston also,just need to bring to shop or better still fix urself and problem will be solve.

going cheap..

Bro, kau punye block ape batch? Y1, Y2, Y3, Y4?

[Hyp3Soul]

Originally posted by jauhary@Jul 21 2006, 02:43 PM

Sape2 bleh tolong.

Kedai moto maner pat sg aku bleh tukar tank seal stock aku jadek tank seal lets say, a tzm tank seal.

Aku dgr aku kenek extract the whole tank seal from a "tzm" tank coz they need the bottom part then can weld to my tank.

Btol?

kedai moto maner bleh buat?

Aku dah tak bleh tahan ah motor aku nyer tank asek spew minyak biler break kuat..

orang asek kater jgn isi full.. abeh kalau dah jatoh tu tak full pon klur jugak pe..

 

btw..chamber pipe is not stock? so if ill get fined for using it?

Betol, kau kene potong at least 2 inch maybe lesser around the tank cap. Depand dgn kemahiran org yg bikin benda tu. Lagi kecik radius dia, lagi lawa ar...

 

Pat S'pore cantek ar siap spray skali tapi mahal ar dlm 300 lebih siap spray.

Kalau kau nak pasang jugak tapi nak kemut sikit, pat johor kat Jln Kemajuan daerah Angsana dorang cuma amek upah je. Tank cap dgn spray sindri mau ingat.

Upah welding tu benda RM80! Tapi bila dah pasang, minyak kau isi tak akan sepenuh mcm dulu ar...

 

Kalau kau nak settle kan masalah minyak yg tertumpah tu, aku ade 1 solution.

Kau pegi Sim Lim Tower cari jer 'O' ring yg sama size tapi kecik sikit je dgn tank cap kau, pasal bila dah kene petrol ni benda bleh expand kalau kau dpt yg gundrak punye. Kau letak je pat bawah cap tu... 1 'O'ring dlm 70 posen.

 

Untok soalan pipe chamber kau tu, memang betol ia tak original, bunyinye dah terserlah wak bangau tak bekenan langsung. Bila dia ketok bunyi kosong, pas tu dia kosong kan kocek kau! Hahahahaha....

 

Kalau nak bikin pipe, bikin lah internal skali. Low end power, High end pon bleh tehen. Bunyi pon sedap, tak sebising chamber. Kalau dpt bikin silencer baik punye, wak bangau cumer jeling je. Kalau nasib kau baik, dia senyum pat kau. Pas tu abih tak tau, ikut bontot dia amek ar no plate dia ar... Tu tandanye dia nak kasi kau duit plak! Hahahahahahaha......

[bloodybaguz]

Originally posted by jauhary@Jul 21 2006, 11:18 PM

apa pasat 9 litre je?kan samer tank?camner dorang tukar tu tank seal?kalau dah tukar tu tank seal kalau aku tebalek2kan tak kluar setitek minyak kan?

 

kau nyer motor kau tukar cover pat left side of kau nyer engine eh?tukar cover tzm eh?ader ringan cket pe?

 

Ader sape2 bermoto rxz tgl daerah queenstown?nak jugak aku buat members yg tau service moto sendiri..

ya aku pakai tzm left side cover. ape yg ringan ???

mesti la got diff, pasal tank ori tu kena potong e top part n replace wit

e flat fuel cap dgn cetak2 nye sekali.

kalo kao kemut bab minyak lupe kan hajat kao di hati

dan pakai je O ring yg bro hyp3soul kata kan and itz wrkz.

btw dari mana makluk kao dengar bila terbalek tu tank

setitek minyak tak kluar? aku pun nak bikin kalo wujud.

[bloodybaguz]

Originally posted by Hyp3Soul@Jul 22 2006, 04:04 AM

Assalamualaikum semua brader Zek! Amacam semua...

 

Semenjak aku menonggeng dan terkangkang ni aku sebok ar cari harta untuk cover balek utang2 aku semua.

 

Banyak jugak eh page aku miss. Untuk sape2 yg ade tanye aku tapi tak layan dlm previous post, harap maaf eh! Untok brader Rowley & Toofast aku dgn bini aku ok... cuma minggu2 turun naik hospital bikin therapy je... Banyak blanja siak!

 

Untok brader2 yg baru join forum ni aku nak cakap "WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!!"

Insyaallah post korang akan aku rply dgn ilmu dan pengalaman yg tak seberapa aku ade!

waalaikumsalam.......gua understand.

[rowley]

Originally posted by Hyp3Soul@Jul 22 2006, 03:04 AM

Assalamualaikum semua brader Zek! Amacam semua...

 

Semenjak aku menonggeng dan terkangkang ni aku sebok ar cari harta untuk cover balek utang2 aku semua.

 

Banyak jugak eh page aku miss. Untuk sape2 yg ade tanye aku tapi tak layan dlm previous post, harap maaf eh! Untok brader Rowley & Toofast aku dgn bini aku ok... cuma minggu2 turun naik hospital bikin therapy je... Banyak blanja siak!

 

Untok brader2 yg baru join forum ni aku nak cakap "WELCOME TO THE CLUB!!!"

Insyaallah post korang akan aku rply dgn ilmu dan pengalaman yg tak seberapa aku ade!

great to see u back jo...alhamdullilah lah ar bini kau da okay...

 

anyway adyra,motor aku dah ade buyer

 

aku jual kat sedara aku...sorry tak dpt jual kau aku nye rim....

[Hyp3Soul]

Aiseh... Masok angin lah kau Ady...

 

Takmu pikir lagi... Kau gi tukar kau punye tayar sua....

[mfaisalby]

Originally posted by Hyp3Soul@Jul 22 2006, 03:46 AM

The sound will come back even if you change your piston or ring together. As long there's no loss of compression just ride it. Don't waste money.

 

If the sound is too loud and it bothering you, then go to your fav mechanic to check. Perhaps it could be your connecting rod and the crank shaft bearings need to be change.

Yeah, i agree! The situation happened to me too. I had just rebore my block, change a new piston, piston ring, gasket etc hoping to get rid of the "knocking" sound but to no avail. Wasted $$. Skrg plak, due to new piston, I cant ride fast for say 1000km. Haiz.. Okay, nvm.. what's done cant be undone. Now face the future problems.

 

I realise the sound came from a lose con-rod (connecting rod). My mechanic says in order to change the con-rod, have to overhaul the bike. Is it true?

 

 

 

Got some doubts to be cleared:

 

1) What do they do when they overhaul a bike? What are the parts they change? Do overhauling include replacing a new block?

 

2) If replacing a new block part of the process, can it be excluded? Cuz my block had just rebore and piston plus piston ring had just change. It will certainly save some cash and spare me from the inconveniences of having to ride slow again.

 

3) I dont plan to overhaul any sooner but does riding a bike with lose con-rod post any dangers? (Eg: piston jam etc)

 

4) Do anyone has a visual aid (pictures) showing a connecting rod? I just wanna take a look what in the world is that.

 

 

 

** ATTENTION to FARIS: You mentioned some time ago that you just overhauled your bike. How much it cost? Is the price range between $400 to $500?

 

 

 

Hope to get response soon

Thanks!!!

[Hyp3Soul]

Most bike shop owner can make some extra cash if they know that any parts of your bottom engine need to be replace eg. Connecting rod. Because they'll know you will not want to stay to watch them do the whole process. The tedious work took very long and they will ask you to go back and once ok they will call you back to collect the bike. From there they will charge things that they don't change.

 

In order for them to replace the connnecting rod, they have to bring the whole top and bottom engine down and dismentle everything.

 

That is why the mechanic tell you that your engine need to overhaul if you want to change the connecting rod. After stripping the engine, they will replace any parts that need to be change, eg. crank shaft, bearings, gears, transmission lever, etc... and sometimes engine housing if cracked and so forth. This is called "Bottom Overhaul". Do you think they will change everything for you if you are not there? Heehehehe... Top Overhaul is not necessary as you've just did it.

 

It is most likely that your piston will jamm or your engine will sieze if you continue to ride it with unsufficient 2T or High ramming. Just ride your bike gently for time being if your connecting rod need to be changed.

 

Replacing of block are also not necessary unless your block can't be rebored anymore. RXZ block can be rebored up to 8 times in total from piston size 00, 0.25, 0.50, 0.75, 1.0, 1.25, 1.50, 1.75 and 2.0 For some, said it can be rebored up to 4 times only, up to size 1.0. Find it yourself if you have any doubt.

 

If you got the money and most importantly "Time" and want to overhaul your engine, be like bloodybaguz! He will never let his beloved bike out of his sight. Even from Open till Close his willing to stay. Theres no way the mechanic can con him. Haahahaha.... Or at least, ask them to dismentle immediately and show you which parts need to be change and ask him to qoute you. All original parts have packings, ask them for that when you collect your bike. Receipt is a must to have. From there you can know how they overcharged you. Replacing of connecting rod only is less than $200 including workmanship.

 

For your last question, I'm sorry that I am too lazy to find the picture in the internet and upload it here after typing in this post.

 

If you ever watch the mechanic dismentle the block, you definitely know where the connecting rod is. It is connected to the piston and the crank shaft in the engine below. Original one is brown or bronze in color.

[Guest AddiCt]

Originally posted by Hyp3Soul@Jul 24 2006, 03:45 AM

Most bike shop owner can make some extra cash if they know that any parts of your bottom engine need to be replace eg. Connecting rod. Because they'll know you will not want to stay to watch them do the whole process. The tedious work took very long and they will ask you to go back and once ok they will call you back to collect the bike. From there they will charge things that they don't change.

 

In order for them to replace the connnecting rod, they have to bring the whole top and bottom engine down and dismentle everything.

 

That is why the mechanic tell you that your engine need to overhaul if you want to change the connecting rod. After stripping the engine, they will replace any parts that need to be change, eg. crank shaft, bearings, gears, transmission lever, etc... and sometimes engine housing if cracked and so forth. This is called "Bottom Overhaul". Do you think they will change everything for you if you are not there? Heehehehe... Top Overhaul is not necessary as you've just did it.

 

It is most likely that your piston will jamm or your engine will sieze if you continue to ride it with unsufficient 2T or High ramming. Just ride your bike gently for time being if your connecting rod need to be changed.

 

Replacing of block are also not necessary unless your block can't be rebored anymore. RXZ block can be rebored up to 8 times in total from piston size 00, 0.25, 0.50, 0.75, 1.0, 1.25, 1.50, 1.75 and 2.0 For some, said it can be rebored up to 4 times only, up to size 1.0. Find it yourself if you have any doubt.

 

If you got the money and most importantly "Time" and want to overhaul your engine, be like bloodybaguz! He will never let his beloved bike out of his sight. Even from Open till Close his willing to stay. Theres no way the mechanic can con him. Haahahaha.... Or at least, ask them to dismentle immediately and show you which parts need to be change and ask him to qoute you. All original parts have packings, ask them for that when you collect your bike. Receipt is a must to have. From there you can know how they overcharged you. Replacing of connecting rod only is less than $200 including workmanship.

 

For your last question, I'm sorry that I am too lazy to find the picture in the internet and upload it here after typing in this post.

 

If you ever watch the mechanic dismentle the block, you definitely know where the connecting rod is. It is connected to the piston and the crank shaft in the engine below. Original one is brown or bronze in color.

hi there,

 

i am a fellow rxz rider too and have the same problem with the con rod went to jb ah gua lane the indian shop and was quoted RM450 to change the con rod and the bearing with 4t , gasket and labour but it is a chiong con rod. original one he said abt rm500 is it too expensive? whats the price range for it? i dont mind doing it in sg if the price is cheaper then in jb for the original con rod.

 

sorry have another question.

 

can wave original spokey rims fit rxz? and i need a paint job too can recommend? i wanna do a single pearl white colour , price?

 

thanks in advance guys.

[adyra]

Originally posted by Hyp3Soul@Jul 23 2006, 12:20 AM

Aiseh... Masok angin lah kau Ady...

 

Takmu pikir lagi... Kau gi tukar kau punye tayar sua....

Fuh.... macam composition siak. takpe aku pun ingat tak nak tu rim pasal chrome.

[mfaisalby]

Thanks Hyp3Soul for that very informative respond!

 

I plan to have a full overhaul @ JB. Majority of my biker friends suggest its better to change everyting (piston, piston ring etc) although i've changed before cuz according to them, once the block is opened, the alignment may run and hence can cause inconvenience in the future (scratches, no compression etc).

 

Because they'll know you will not want to stay to watch them do the whole process. The tedious work took very long and they will ask you to go back and once ok they will call you back to collect the bike. From there they will charge things that they don't change.

 

But since u mentioned that these shops charges us for things they never change, den of cuz its wiser to just stay there throughout the process. Also, u mentioned that the process will take very long...

i) At most how many hours?

ii) Is everyting done there or must they take the parts somewhere to fix?

iii) If i reach there in the morning, can get done by afternoon?

 

Or at least, ask them to dismentle immediately and show you which parts need to be change and ask him to qoute you.

All original parts have packings, ask them for that when you collect your bike. Receipt is a must to have. From there you can know how they overcharged you.

 

Okie dokie. Noted.

 

Last question... is RM800 enough for a full overhaul and maybe buy some accessories?

 

Thanks loads bro... really appreciate it. Sorry if i had too many questions cuz i'm still a newbie on bikes. Far lots more to catch up.