Mito Riders

[RedHare]

Originally posted by linglila@Sep 19 2006, 05:11 AM

i always pump 210 for the front n 230 for rear.

Thanks for the info.

[yanwei]

Originally posted by lacrimosae@Sep 19 2006, 02:43 AM

No part should ever require time to get used to.

 

That just means something isnt working the way its supposed to and you are just learning to work around it.

 

Dont make excuses for the state of your bike. Get it fixed. Throttle should be smooth and responsive (not twist and wait for revs to spool up), gears smooth (not clunky, mashing, or rattling), braking instant (not squeeze and hope they bite).

 

".... takes time getting used to" is a phrase commonly used by mechanics, and even by me in the past, when I first got my bike and was afraid to admit there was something wrong with my bike, especially after spending money to fix it and the problem persists.

 

Its like buying H*rl*ys. You pay a fortune for a hunk of metal with no performance, power and safety. And all you can do is praise it because if you dont, you'll only feel stupid.

Thanks, bro.

I'll send it to fm to check/clean/fix the engine and gears next monday, cause ah seng said that this week they've got their hands full.

 

FYI, the mito is not like the harley, so don't compare them. At least I know I bought a bike that has performance and power (in the 2b class), and good handling on the curves.

 

Once again, thanks for the advice.

[rex]

Originally posted by lacrimosae@Sep 19 2006, 02:43 AM

No part should ever require time to get used to.

 

That just means something isnt working the way its supposed to and you are just learning to work around it.

 

Dont make excuses for the state of your bike. Get it fixed. Throttle should be smooth and responsive (not twist and wait for revs to spool up), gears smooth (not clunky, mashing, or rattling), braking instant (not squeeze and hope they bite).

 

".... takes time getting used to" is a phrase commonly used by mechanics, and even by me in the past, when I first got my bike and was afraid to admit there was something wrong with my bike, especially after spending money to fix it and the problem persists.

 

Its like buying H*rl*ys. You pay a fortune for a hunk of metal with no performance, power and safety. And all you can do is praise it because if you dont, you'll only feel stupid.

my apologies then...

 

[jonathan543]

gp town breakfast + wash bike on this coming sunday morning 24th sept.

meet 830am at gp esso. to and fro is ard 20+km oni. clear some carbon, have some food and keep our bike clean!

interested pls put down ur name and contact no...

1. jonathan 94899660

2. ben 98209985

3.

4.

5.

[jonathan543]

Originally posted by yanwei@Sep 20 2006, 01:00 AM

Thanks, bro.

I'll send it to fm to check/clean/fix the engine and gears next monday, cause ah seng said that this week they've got their hands full.

 

FYI, the mito is not like the harley, so don't compare them. At least I know I bought a bike that has performance and power (in the 2b class), and good handling on the curves.

 

Once again, thanks for the advice.

well we muz all agree there's a reason why there're so little continental 2b bikes on sg rds lor. they all performed well when the valve opens, do last if not abused everyday, but should something broke or worn out, we're at lost for words and money.

and all these while we're putting passion on top of practicality ever since we've set our minds on continental bikes rite?

so it's almost can be compared to buying a harley or a ducati ma, since they do cost alot more to buy, to maintain and underpowered compared to current generation of jap bikes.

test ride a kips or a nsr150 and u'll be surprised how much power it had be4 the valve opens. i rode my friend's stock restricted nsr150 against my bigbore carb, arrow exhaust, moto tassirani reedcage equiped planet... i had nothing to say ever since.

[lacrimosae]

Originally posted by yanwei@Sep 20 2006, 01:00 AM

Thanks, bro.

I'll send it to fm to check/clean/fix the engine and gears next monday, cause ah seng said that this week they've got their hands full.

 

FYI, the mito is not like the harley, so don't compare them. At least I know I bought a bike that has performance and power (in the 2b class), and good handling on the curves.

 

Once again, thanks for the advice.

At no point did I compare the Mito to a Harley, so please do not misquote me. I dont know where did you get that idea from.

 

I was drawing a comparison on spending too much on fixing a problem that doesnt go away, and end up feeling stupid. I remember when I was a newbie I was advised to change many parts on my bike, afterwhich no difference was felt, and then the mechanic laid the blame on me saying I dont know how to ride the bike.

 

I work on my own bike now, even overhauls. But I'm getting lazy so I leave the overhauls to any neighbourhood mechanic. They are all the same, just have to be there to nag at them not to knock the pin too hard in the piston, dont drop my conrod, point out coolant drain screw from engine casing screw etc.

 

Again, I am not comparing a Mito to a Harley. I was comparing the process of consoling oneself that a bike (not necessarily a Mito) is "not really screwed just needs time to get used to it" to people who buy H*rl*ys and end up having to pay more for maintainence, and require a support crew on touring trips specially to tighten their bolts and nuts at every rest stop, getting very unhappy with their H*rl*y purchase but dont want to complain can only sing praises of the bike otherwise they'll feel really stupid on blowing $30,000 on a bike without performance, handling and safety. (I hope you understand the layman explanation)

 

I hope you can read my posts carefully and do not misquote me again.

[linglila]

Originally posted by sKyVodKa@Sep 20 2006, 12:10 AM

Thanks for the info.

Ur welcome..

btw also dunno whether i correct anot.

haha!!

[linglila]

Originally posted by jonathan543@Sep 20 2006, 08:27 AM

gp town breakfast + wash bike on this coming sunday morning 24th sept.

meet 830am at gp esso. to and fro is ard 20+km oni. clear some carbon, have some food and keep our bike clean!

interested pls put down ur name and contact no...

1. jonathan 94899660

2. ben 98209985

3.

4.

5.

Jon..Where's gp esso??In malaysia??

We meet some where in Singapore first la..

Anyway most likely i'm in..but will confirm wif u again on sat nite.

[jonathan543]

yup. call me then asap. dun 4get ur cash card and some $rm.

[kwyjibo]

Wahlao Jon u purposely one right put on Sunday morn. This Sunday track day leh. Put Sunday evening la then we can go have nice dinner at Kulai or Nusjaya.

 

Richard's Mito at Racewerks looks so dusty. So sad.

[yanwei]

Originally posted by lacrimosae@Sep 20 2006, 11:01 AM

At no point did I compare the Mito to a Harley, so please do not misquote me. I dont know where did you get that idea from.

 

I was drawing a comparison on spending too much on fixing a problem that doesnt go away, and end up feeling stupid. I remember when I was a newbie I was advised to change many parts on my bike, afterwhich no difference was felt, and then the mechanic laid the blame on me saying I dont know how to ride the bike.

 

Again, I am not comparing a Mito to a Harley. I was comparing the process of consoling oneself that a bike (not necessarily a Mito) is "not really screwed just needs time to get used to it" to people who buy H*rl*ys and end up having to pay more for maintainence, and require a support crew on touring trips specially to tighten their bolts and nuts at every rest stop, getting very unhappy with their H*rl*y purchase but dont want to complain can only sing praises of the bike otherwise they'll feel really stupid on blowing $30,000 on a bike without performance, handling and safety. (I hope you understand the layman explanation)

 

I hope you can read my posts carefully and do not misquote me again.

My bad then. I apologise for the conclusion I jumped to.

 

But "Its like buying a harley" did sound like a comparision IMO. Nonetheless, I do get your point. Before I bought a mito, I did hear things about Italians and the like being bikes that have "character", that their riders liked to attribute the bike's "disadvantages/cons" to being the bike's own characteristic.

 

It's probably me being a new rider, as this is my first bike, thus I'm still "getting used" to the bike and trying to differentiate what's broken/about to break symptons and what the bike is just like. Like I said, I'll send it for servicing and find out whats wrong with my gears. Thanks once again!

[rex]

Originally posted by lacrimosae@Sep 20 2006, 11:01 AM

At no point did I compare the Mito to a Harley, so please do not misquote me. I dont know where did you get that idea from.

 

I was drawing a comparison on spending too much on fixing a problem that doesnt go away, and end up feeling stupid. I remember when I was a newbie I was advised to change many parts on my bike, afterwhich no difference was felt, and then the mechanic laid the blame on me saying I dont know how to ride the bike.

 

I work on my own bike now, even overhauls. But I'm getting lazy so I leave the overhauls to any neighbourhood mechanic. They are all the same, just have to be there to nag at them not to knock the pin too hard in the piston, dont drop my conrod, point out coolant drain screw from engine casing screw etc.

 

Again, I am not comparing a Mito to a Harley. I was comparing the process of consoling oneself that a bike (not necessarily a Mito) is "not really screwed just needs time to get used to it" to people who buy H*rl*ys and end up having to pay more for maintainence, and require a support crew on touring trips specially to tighten their bolts and nuts at every rest stop, getting very unhappy with their H*rl*y purchase but dont want to complain can only sing praises of the bike otherwise they'll feel really stupid on blowing $30,000 on a bike without performance, handling and safety. (I hope you understand the layman explanation)

 

I hope you can read my posts carefully and do not misquote me again.

massive. comprehensive and to the point...

 

we need more ppl who can post like this...apart from all the jack asses already on this forum posting rubbish..

 

my respect to you lacrimose...if i ever meet you, i owe you coffee

 

[jonathan543]

Originally posted by gekokujyou@Sep 20 2006, 08:52 PM

Wahlao Jon u purposely one right put on Sunday morn. This Sunday track day leh. Put Sunday evening la then we can go have nice dinner at Kulai or Nusjaya.

 

Richard's Mito at Racewerks looks so dusty. So sad.

geko- u org la... i working nite shift these 2 weeks. dun 4get next week hor... need to send my bike for painting and maybe an overhaul..

rex- everybody had the rite to post online. simply ignore the comments should u find them irrelevant. ok, i admit i'm one of the jackasses out there haha.

everybody had his or her own unique perspection view of things and not everybody can phrase that out clearly with some "mo sui" like lawrence ma.

most importantly being here is to share info and to make friends.

[k17g]

Originally posted by jonathan543@Sep 21 2006, 10:07 AM

geko- u org la... i working nite shift these 2 weeks. dun 4get next week hor... need to send my bike for painting and maybe an overhaul..

rex- everybody had the rite to post online. simply ignore the comments should u find them irrelevant. ok, i admit i'm one of the jackasses out there haha.

everybody had his or her own unique perspection view of things and not everybody can phrase that out clearly with some "mo sui" like lawrence ma.

most importantly being here is to share info and to make friends.

jon: i totally agreed with your words saying: we are here to noe more frenz de and give our two cents worth of advice...

[kwyjibo]

Jon since u working night shift still ask me organise. I working night shift also nv complain so much. Want earn money dont want work. Go sell ur a******?

U better spray finish by next week, best is by sat, n u want add sub rider or want hiong? I think just hiong la if u think ur area is safe cos if not change back sub rider need money again.

 

I have NgK spark cable left over. Anyone wants? Just use back ur old cable head n use e new cable, since i throw away also waste. Its FOC la.

 

I hope i m not a jackass. What does jackass mean?

[lacrimosae]

Hi Mito riders,

 

We're all slaves to the Italian obsession, so we're more or less in the same boat.

 

Forget coffee. Just spread information and knowledge to the uninitiated. That will really make my day. I have done nothing worthy of respect, so dont use the word carelessly. All I want is to see new riders empowered by real knowledge, and not believe all the smoke and mirrors wholesale. What I detest most is not the lack of knowledge, but the lack of motivation to learn more, lack of initiative to protect oneself from getting ripped off, and spreading of myths and half-truths originating from mechs.

 

I have nothing against Mitos.

 

Like I said, we're all in the same boat here. Parts are expensive, and so is labour. An SP piston costs $40. Our OEM piston (for Aprilia) costs $357. This excludes labour. If we dont look out for one another, and learn to protect ourselves, indirectly protecting our piggy banks, then who will?

 

Anyway, instead of buying me coffee, just wear the Mito club shirts more often (either Jasmine's or Amin's). That's good enough.Just refer t-shirt printing queries to me and that's better than any atas Starbucks coffee you can buy for me!

 

Ride hard; Ride safe.

[yanwei]

Hi all. Can i ask if any of you guys know how to identify if the valve is not working? As in, when I turn my key, there is no hissing sound, but only a click. Also I have to use quite a bit of effort to turn it. Is this a sign that the key slot needs to be replaced?

Also, I went to fm today. Ah seng lifted up the fuel tank, and revved the engine. He was looking at the valve, then he concluded that the cdi is possibly gone, and recommended replacing both the valve and cdi. Any idea how to visually confirm that the valve is not working?

Btw, is it necessary to replace both the cdi and the valve? Or just the cdi?

Thanks for reading!

[linglila]

Originally posted by yanwei@Sep 21 2006, 10:49 PM

Hi all. Can i ask if any of you guys know how to identify if the valve is not working? As in, when I turn my key, there is no hissing sound, but only a click. Also I have to use quite a bit of effort to turn it. Is this a sign that the key slot needs to be replaced?

Also, I went to fm today. Ah seng lifted up the fuel tank, and revved the engine. He was looking at the valve, then he concluded that the cdi is possibly gone, and recommended replacing both the valve and cdi. Any idea how to visually confirm that the valve is not working?

Btw, is it necessary to replace both the cdi and the valve? Or just the cdi?

Thanks for reading!

Ben ask ba..

think he is better in this..or maybe lobang also..

haha!!

[jonathan543]

Originally posted by yanwei@Sep 21 2006, 10:49 PM

Hi all. Can i ask if any of you guys know how to identify if the valve is not working? As in, when I turn my key, there is no hissing sound, but only a click. Also I have to use quite a bit of effort to turn it. Is this a sign that the key slot needs to be replaced?

Also, I went to fm today. Ah seng lifted up the fuel tank, and revved the engine. He was looking at the valve, then he concluded that the cdi is possibly gone, and recommended replacing both the valve and cdi. Any idea how to visually confirm that the valve is not working?

Btw, is it necessary to replace both the cdi and the valve? Or just the cdi?

Thanks for reading!

bro for ur question, there's no definate answer whether the cdi is gone or the valve servo motor. and since the valve servo motor came wit the exhaust valve in a set, most prob u gotta replace them as a set if new.

wad u can do is to scout for scrapped mitos for its working servo motor, which i think most prob urs was burnt out due to its seized exhaust valve, or from other problems unknown.

by right, when u turned the key, there should be 2 short hissing sounds aka valve check. difficulty in turning the key merely means the key was not properly duplicated, not of any serious concern.

i think ah seng was looking at the cables to the exhaust valve and noticed the cables are not pulling at the rpm where the valve should have opened.

so most prob ur valve had remained closed if it had seized, or remained open all the way.

u can actually see the valve opening and closing if u take out the right fairing, some where behind the radiator there's a round piece of rubber cover bearing the words "cts" aka "cagiva torque system". lift it open and u should see there's a pulley system actuated by steel cables with two notches on the pulley wheel, and a long notch in the middle non moving part.

 

check out the pics. 1st pic showed the cts rubber cover after the radiator was removed. 2nd pic showed how the cts pulley looked like after the rubber cover was lifted off. there's no need to remove the radiator koz the pics are from some old diy valve cleaning tutorial.

[jonathan543]

i would think 80% of the chance ur valve servo motor is fried and ur cdi's fine, as wad had happened to ben's mito, which he had bought a 2nd hand servo motor and corrected the problem completely.

the valve servo motor can be seen easily when u lift the fuel tank up, is located somewhere behind & beside the carb on the left side of ur bike. trace the pair of steel cables going back from exhaust valve to locate it easily.

[smokesail368]

hi guys.anyone got a spare new piece of double ring piston to sell?thankx.

[amgm125]

Regarding yanwei's valve servo's thingy, the source to the problem is mostly explained in detail by jonathan, well it's not as serious as a piston jam/seize anyways. Well, for my case, when my mech found out that my valve servo is not working, he mechnically opened my valve, which means that my bike's valve is 100% open all the time whenever i ride. And I rode it for abt 3-4 months haha, still can clear meter till abt 120+km/h.

The penalty is increased fuel/2t consumption. It took me a 3-4 months search/wait to source a 2nd hand valve servo. There are several options to source it such as to ask your mech to reserve it for u if there's any scrapped mito/or find it in ebay.

Hope these helps.

[amgm125]

Just came back travelling via PIE changi airport, came across a sign on the EMAS board stating 'accident veh on rd sholder'. after toa payoh exit. Pass by there saw the accident veh is an Oxydo paintwork Mito and a huge truck several hundred metres behind. Hope the rider is okay.

[rex]

Originally posted by lacrimosae@Sep 21 2006, 03:10 PM

Anyway, instead of buying me coffee, just wear the Mito club shirts more often (either Jasmine's or Amin's). That's good enough.Just refer t-shirt printing queries to me and that's better than any atas Starbucks coffee you can buy for me!

 

Ride hard; Ride safe.

Agreed man...

 

starbucks?? wah i was thinking kopi - o man....haha

 

as for t-shirt im sure happy to wear... but sadly.. i have yet to collect mine from Jasmine...

 

 

Eh Jasmine, you collected your bike from FM already ah?

[linglila]

Originally posted by smokesail368@Sep 22 2006, 10:45 PM

hi guys.anyone got a spare new piece of double ring piston to sell?thankx.

Dun have..Dun have.

Go shop buy!!

Wahaha!!