SBF Kymco Downtown 125/200/300/350i Cafe 2013

[topgearalwaysrock]

So far, the DT125i that I'm riding, no such problems leah as mentioned by riders of DT300i.

 

Very happy with the comfort and space the DT is able to provide.

[parotae]

Today the road from flyer turning right to go suntec I scrape the exhaust garnish again.

Then I thought of telling Motorsport but they won't believe me anyway. Come to think of it, I think it can act as an idicator of over leaning before I tip over ha ha. At first I thought of scraping both side of the garnish until no more sound but after much thought decided that it may not be a good idea as I may assume that I can go even lower. So better check out the rear tyre limit before I do anything further

 

So if you corner low but no sound, that means you are not low enough. Then again that's for my scoot only and I am heavy at 80kg plus box plus some nonsense like umbrella rain coat and small toolbox. And then again it's only a scooter not a sports bike. Ride with the intended purpose not otherwise.

 

In the mean time ride safe.

Edited November 4, 2011 by parotae

[topgearalwaysrock]

My last tank I pump 98 Oct for the DT125i, end up getting 31.5km/L, which is 4km/L less than when I pump 95 Oct....

[parotae]

I am at Singapore discovery center, after the fuel blink. Went for the last 2 bar fuel for test ride and the blinking came on at 251km. So it's 25km/l

[parotae]

Double post

Edited November 5, 2011 by parotae

[parotae]

My last tank I pump 98 Oct for the DT125i, end up getting 31.5km/L, which is 4km/L less than when I pump 95 Oct....

 

I had an old 4 stroke skipper which I pump 98 all the while. Due to bike quite old liao, decided to pump 95. I forgot all about it and 1 day I somehow found the scoot had a bit more power than usual and was trying to figure out why? Did I do oil change or spark plugs which I didn't. Then I realize that I had just pump 95 A few days ago and it might be due to that. So had been pumping 95 ever since.

[ggc9898]

98,95,92. there maybe a bit of different in the power, i pump according to the price. ha ha . but that i just me

[parotae]

Wah 92 is a no no for high performance vehicle. Why? I don't know

Are 92 octane still available in Singapore?

The last time I saw 92 was a year ago at shell along lornie rd, now no longer available.

[parotae]

Just watch the TV news about helping and informing the poor how to save electricity. And by changing to energy saving bulbs can save up to...

 

$2! 2 freaking $ a month only! Can't even buy food for 1 day.

Help the poor to make money lah, not save only $2

 

If the $2 are paid by others than it make perfect sense because 1 house hold save $2 each then 10,000 household will be a saving of $20,000. Makes perfect sense to save if somebody is paying the poor's bill.

 

$24 savings in a year! WOW!

 

Only $24 make such a big deal

 

Should ask the guy who maybe suan-ning me to watch.

 

Got money to buy bike no money to pump petrol!

 

People can save $2 month made such a big deal on TV

 

It's exactly 1 week from my last pump of 10 liters(98 octane) take it at ~250km

 

>300km(which should be the correct DT fuel consumption @ 10litres) subtract my 250km/10litres

I am short of ~50km(pessimistic) I should be able to have better mileage as I do mostly average 70km/h the problem I having such high consumption in city is because of the >5000rpm which should have been ~4000rpm if I am riding around 60km/h.

 

50km = ~$4

$4/week = $16/mth = $192/year

 

That's $192! per year.

And should I cover more distances, the $ goes up!

 

Got money buy bike no money buy petrol! LOL! For the benefit of doubt, maybe he's right

Edited November 5, 2011 by parotae

[paithorn]

I am at Singapore discovery center, after the fuel blink. Went for the last 2 bar fuel for test ride and the blinking came on at 251km. So it's 25km/l

 

I just went for ride too.....past 200km liao, still 1bar down from full...

[parotae]

I just went for ride too.....past 200km liao, still 1bar down from full...

 

Wow!

 

Mine drop 1 bar after 100km. I must check how many Km before it drop another bar to 2.

I may need to change some parts

Edited November 6, 2011 by parotae

[topgearalwaysrock]

Aiyah, first bar take super long to drop one. But after that, 2nd, 3rd and 4th drop very fast. When it's the 5th bar, it starts blinking....

 

I travel about 40km/day. 9 litres of 95 Oct gets me past 300km. Ur do the math's lorh. Haha!

[paithorn]

The tank not regularly shaped. For me. Most of the time in Singapore riding, 1 bar at 150km, 2 bar at 195km, 3 bar at 260km, 4 bar around 330km. Low fuel light at 390km

[synman]

@ synman evening going home after work fix my iPhone to airbox side and ready to go. Once outside started drizzling haiz sian cannot film Liao. Remove go home. See how tomorrow.

Ya if 300V $47.90 I will inform you, we go stock up ha ha.

 

@ paithorn quite easy to change spark plug anytime any where but mind you, no difference in performance just longer service interval. Then again synman so sensitive maybe he can tell the difference ha ha

 

=_= Sounds like I'm the anal guy here lol...

[synman]

Wow!

 

Mine drop 1 bar after 100km. I must check how many Km before it drop another bar to 2.

I may need to change some parts

 

My 1st bar drop around 110 to 120km.

[synman]

The tank not regularly shaped. For me. Most of the time in Singapore riding, 1 bar at 150km, 2 bar at 195km, 3 bar at 260km, 4 bar around 330km. Low fuel light at 390km

 

Maybe I should change back to the old clutch pad to see whether the consumption can be improve.

[parotae]

=_= Sounds like I'm the anal guy here lol...

 

No lah, wah lau! Lol!

 

I believe that you have the experience and attention to details to feel this kind of things. Which is good in a sense that very few people can. Great if your are in the trouble shooting field for engine diagnostics. I don't know if that's what you meant by anal LOL!

[synman]

Hi all,

 

I am an owner of a Downtown 300i SK60A, I have been in contact with bro Parotae, We have exchanged a lot information about our bikes and as he says, I have the same symptoms as Synman.

 

I have changed the rollers to the Dr. Pulley 20x12 x 14g and the vibrations when running on low revs were reduced quite a bit but now I seem to feel more vibration when the bike is stand still, maybe I am just getting to paranoid about vibrations.

 

My next move will be to replace the Clutch, I am waiting for a friend of mine to try the Dr. Pulley HiT , I think I have seen a Malossi clutch somewhere for the Downtown 300i but I cannot find it anymore .

 

It is a bit annoying having to change parts so early but I guess that is the price you have to pay when buying a Kymco.

 

Please do not get me wrong, I love the bike it is amazing I upgraded to it from an agility City 125 and it feels like moving from a Renault to a BMW , putting aside this very few issues I am very happy with the purchase.

 

Congrats Juan on getting the DT300.

 

It is not that bad a bike, just that I don't like the way the clutch react at slow speed. I find it very irritating.

 

But like Parotae say, it is fun to try to narrow the problem down. Hopefully not to spend too much money on it!

 

Frankly, I would sacrifice the FC to about 20km/h if there is no issues at the low rev.

[synman]

No lah, wah lau! Lol!

 

I believe that you have the experience and attention to details to feel this kind of things. Which is good in a sense that very few people can. Great if your are in the trouble shooting field for engine diagnostics. I don't know if that's what you meant by anal LOL!

 

Maybe it is because I'm a musician, so like to "feel".... lol

 

Cannot repair engine, only repair guitar. I trouble shoot that one instead. I gave up studying Mechanical

Engineering in my younger days.......wahahahahaha

[synman]

I think Paithorn did mention that the bike move off around 3.5 to 4 rpm.

 

Actually it starts moving at 2.5 rpm but the bike doesn't seem to have enough torque

to move off.

 

Actually, one thing bug me about our run in.....

 

If it is true that we don't really have to run in, then we should have used full synthetic oil from the start.....

 

With the current oil, the engine seems "louder" than usual.

[parotae]

Maybe I should change back to the old clutch pad to see whether the consumption can be improve.

 

I felt like changing back also, but not for fuel consumption. To see if it is worst in vibration.

If you think that the clutch might save fuel - don't!

If you are running around >5000rpm most of the time around 80km/h don't bother. It's the Variator I think as compare to bro paithorn at 4300rpm@80km/h.

Let me try the Variator out first once I get my hands on 1.

I want fuel savings, power will be the same on my opinion as it's the dragging that determine the performance (6500rpm peak torque)I think.

 

Recently I have came up with the theory why Kymco would want this scoot to be on a higher rpm in the mid range.

The reason could be (and I am speculating here) clutch slippage.

If the biting point is between 2500rpm(just touching) to 3500rpm(can feel slipping) and 4000rpm lock on. So at 4000rpm when the clutch lock on may not be really locking hard enough hence slippage on certain road condition. How to solve the problems to have a more sercure lock? Raise the rpm. If 4000rpm still doesn't lock that well, then bring it to 5000rpm. So I guess that is Kymco solution to the problems besides the performance. In fact I think it doesn't help at all since bro synman have the slippage even with the new LGE5(I think).

I still haven't confirm whether mine is a LGE5 Variator.

 

If the reason to raise rpm to 5000rpm to solve the slippage issue, I definately will want to switch to LEA7 since i've got the clutch shoe to match

[parotae]

I think Paithorn did mention that the bike move off around 3.5 to 4 rpm.

 

Actually it starts moving at 2.5 rpm but the bike doesn't seem to have enough torque

to move off.

 

Actually, one thing bug me about our run in.....

 

If it is true that we don't really have to run in, then we should have used full synthetic oil from the start.....

 

With the current oil, the engine seems "louder" than usual.

 

Yes! Yes! I felt the same too.

But am holding back because of this

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

What think you?

[parotae]

Read the Taiwan forum last night. Yes similar cases with owner changing to LGE5, higher fuel consumption even to 23.5km/l. Another guy suggested to change the torque driver unit too to lower fuel consumption. I don't know if it works cause the torque driver unit looks identical as LEA7. Actually one guy that change mention that the vibration is much lesser with the change of only the front Variator to LGE5. Uh oh, not a good sign since we (synman and me) might already be running the LGE5. Ok more research.

Some one even mention that he has found the solution to unleash the all full 32ps, thought he did not day how and it's gonna be very expensive. Maybe just wanna make people lust. The last thing I know is, he change DT for a T-Max! LOL! So that's how he did it!

[synman]

Yes! Yes! I felt the same too.

But am holding back because of this

http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm

What think you?

 

Some says it works, some say it is for racing bikes.

 

I might have accidentally do it in my anger with the bike due to the clutch slippage

wahahahahaha.

 

I remember the article did mention to use mineral oil during run in period. Anyway, this is my second time

on a brand new bike.

[synman]

Read the Taiwan forum last night. Yes similar cases with owner changing to LGE5, higher fuel consumption even to 23.5km/l. Another guy suggested to change the torque driver unit too to lower fuel consumption. I don't know if it works cause the torque driver unit looks identical as LEA7. Actually one guy that change mention that the vibration is much lesser with the change of only the front Variator to LGE5. Uh oh, not a good sign since we (synman and me) might already be running the LGE5. Ok more research.

Some one even mention that he has found the solution to unleash the all full 32ps, thought he did not day how and it's gonna be very expensive. Maybe just wanna make people lust. The last thing I know is, he change DT for a T-Max! LOL! So that's how he did it!

 

Changing from a DT to a T-max would definitely solve all the problem......lol

 

I was planning to change back to the original ones to see how it feels.

 

I kind of enjoy the previous one in a certain way, but the clutch slips even after 5000rpm.

 

The current one is fine after the 5000 rpm, cept the irritating vibration at the start is the main problem.

 

And when during cold/rainy days, the slip seems to be more obvious.