which is better 4 class2 sportbike

[mail_yip]

which is better(1000cc or 600cc)--- track, daily use, maintain, etc.....???

[Ong_Lai]

It depends on wat u actually like .. i break down for u to see..

 

600cc

Roadtax about 200+ per year

Insurance depends on ur age.. but cheaper than 1000cc

bike servicing about the same

fuel comsumption mileage better than 1000cc

not so torquey quite smooth (stock)

very good handling as short wheelbase (very flipable)

track wise good in pg.. but loses out to the 1000cc in sepang (also depends on rider)

top speed about 270km/ph??

 

1000cc

Roadtax about 312 per year

insurance for age 21 think is 1200

bike servicing about the same

base on my 1000cc tat i have last time fuel mileage is about 250 before reserve

quite torquey and powerful (stock)

handling good (but still not comparable to 600cc as the size still bigger)

track wise good in sepang but loses out to 600cc in pg (also depends on rider too)

top speed about 299 km/ph

 

but overall.. if have the ability.. go for 1000cc as some of my frens regreted not getting a 1000cc.. as they got 600cc.. after a while.. they say power not enough..

when we go malaysia tats is of course... in singapore.. its all about skill.. but still bike plays a part too..

 

hope i ans ur question...

[numark83]

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Originally posted by mail_yip@Oct 10 2006, 10:38 PM

which is better(1000cc or 600cc)--- track, daily use, maintain, etc.....???

gsxr600

[Guest yanani18&27]

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Originally posted by mail_yip@Oct 10 2006, 10:33 PM

which is better(1000cc or 600cc)--- track, daily use, maintain, etc.....???

sice u likt tack n daily use

than 600 is gd with ya question

[swirlacer]

bro,to cope with everiday riding in sg and go for the occasional track, a 600cc will suffice. handling good, Power steady. So i will definitely get a 600cc class bike if i were u.Aniways,nowadays so many good bikes. Suzuki GX series, Yamaha Fazers, Kawa Zxrs and many many more. 600cc is the way to go.but if u got the moolah, GO FOR 1000CC~!!! even better, 2300cc...GET A TRIUMPH ROCKET~! ULTIMATE TORQUE MACHINE!

[aidiero]

k i wanna ask bout the suzuki gx series...600, 750, 1000, haya, i wanna noe each pros n cons

[rhema83]

If you can't decide, get the 1000cc. You might find it a bit more difficult to flick around PG, but you will learn to do it. Plus, there will be no urge to upgrade or the feeling of lack of power.

[mechwira]

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Originally posted by aidiero@Nov 3 2006, 04:52 AM

k i wanna ask bout the suzuki gx series...600, 750, 1000, haya, i wanna noe each pros n cons

hi.

 

if u already hell-bent on the gixxer family, may i humbly suggest u get the 750. best of both worlds. more torque than the 600, lighter and more nimble than the 1000.

 

i'd buy a 750, except i'm a honda fan, and i prefer the cbr series instead of the vfr.

 

the haya isn exactly a sportsbike. its more for high speed touring. if u gonna ride it purely in s'pore, than it must be becoz u like the looks and nothing else. after all, u cant do high speed cruising, and the 600/750/1000 is more nimble on the road. i must say tho that i dun think theres anything wrong with buying a bike purely coz u like the looks and u dun use it for track or touring. anybody calls u a poser, thats his problem, u happy thats all that matters.

 

oh and i think the GSX-R1000K6 and K7 is officially as fast if not faster than the haya. less reason for a haya then, unless it really is high speed NSH blasts you're into (better wind protection on the haya).

 

track-wise, i wish to be honest: if u'r a regular track-goer u'd already know wat bike u want. if not, like me, then all pure breed sportsbikes are more than enuff for the track to learn on, no need at all to talk about "which bike can beat which bike".

[mechwira]

on a personal note:

 

a typical jap 600 redlines at 15k rpm and above. if u cruising at 7k rpm and below, u give a hard throttle opening and u will wonder why the engine sluggish dowan to push u forward. when moving off from stand still oso if u trying to pull off a hard acceleration, there is a technique to it; get it wrong and it will take forever to climb up the rpm range to 9k rpm and beyond.

 

this must be why some 600 riders feel a need for more power/torque and regret not getting a 1000.

 

but ride the 600 like u are supposed to, by keeping the rpm range up high at 9k rpm and above, and launching the bike with proper technique, i frankly can say i have never felt like i "need more power/torque". its plenty quick for any situation on local roads, and my 600RR's full-on attack mode in just 3rd gear still scares me on local roads. if any 600cc owner say u regularly ride at 4th gear beyond 13k rpm on local roads, then u 've got bigger balls than i do both in terms of safety and license.

 

on a 1000, dun care all this 'proper technique' thing, just open ur throttle.

 

some will say if always ride at high rpm then will drink a lot of petrol. my reply is that its not as if u end up drinking twice as much petrol; if that 10% more is such a concern, shouldn u be on a Silver Wing instead...?

[aidiero]

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Originally posted by mechwira@Nov 4 2006, 11:06 PM

hi.

 

if u already hell-bent on the gixxer family, may i humbly suggest u get the 750. best of both worlds. more torque than the 600, lighter and more nimble than the 1000.

 

i'd buy a 750, except i'm a honda fan, and i prefer the cbr series instead of the vfr.

 

the haya isn exactly a sportsbike. its more for high speed touring. if u gonna ride it purely in s'pore, than it must be becoz u like the looks and nothing else. after all, u cant do high speed cruising, and the 600/750/1000 is more nimble on the road. i must say tho that i dun think theres anything wrong with buying a bike purely coz u like the looks and u dun use it for track or touring. anybody calls u a poser, thats his problem, u happy thats all that matters.

 

oh and i think the GSX-R1000K6 and K7 is officially as fast if not faster than the haya. less reason for a haya then, unless it really is high speed NSH blasts you're into (better wind protection on the haya).

 

track-wise, i wish to be honest: if u'r a regular track-goer u'd already know wat bike u want. if not, like me, then all pure breed sportsbikes are more than enuff for the track to learn on, no need at all to talk about "which bike can beat which bike".

wow wat a detail explanation....no more question i need to ask....thanks a lot!!

[rhema83]

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Originally posted by mechwira@Nov 4 2006, 11:24 PM

on a personal note:

 

a typical jap 600 redlines at 15k rpm and above. if u cruising at 7k rpm and below, u give a hard throttle opening and u will wonder why the engine sluggish dowan to push u forward. when moving off from stand still oso if u trying to pull off a hard acceleration, there is a technique to it; get it wrong and it will take forever to climb up the rpm range to 9k rpm and beyond.

 

this must be why some 600 riders feel a need for more power/torque and regret not getting a 1000.

 

but ride the 600 like u are supposed to, by keeping the rpm range up high at 9k rpm and above, and launching the bike with proper technique, i frankly can say i have never felt like i "need more power/torque". its plenty quick for any situation on local roads, and my 600RR's full-on attack mode in just 3rd gear still scares me on local roads. if any 600cc owner say u regularly ride at 4th gear beyond 13k rpm on local roads, then u 've got bigger balls than i do both in terms of safety and license.

 

on a 1000, dun care all this 'proper technique' thing, just open ur throttle.

 

some will say if always ride at high rpm then will drink a lot of petrol. my reply is that its not as if u end up drinking twice as much petrol; if that 10% more is such a concern, shouldn u be on a Silver Wing instead...?

just to add on:

 

While you can be lazy with a 1000cc superbike, you must be careful with the throttle in traction-critical situations. For example, you must be careful in the lower 2 gears especially in the wet. Also, you must not open the throttle abruptly mid-corner. This is even more pronounced on the track. You have to time the opening of the throttle and balance power and traction to maximize drive out of corners and prevent highside. Even experienced riders like MotoGP racers constantly fight for traction with high-power bikes.

 

With a 600cc middleweight, you have less of that problem because you are either skilled enough to keep gear selection and throttle in control to maintain peak power and torque throughout the corner, or miss the sweet spot and have trouble bringing the bike into the powerband on your way out of the corner. So the risk of highside is slightly lower.

 

So, there is a different set of skills required to ride a 1000cc superbike well. It is just that it is not so important for daily commuting.

 

Personally I have not redlined my SV650 in the top two gears. It is scary.

[mechwira]

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Originally posted by rhema83@Nov 5 2006, 09:19 AM

Personally I have not redlined my SV650 in the top two gears. It is scary.

that makes it 2 of us who are honest enuff to admit our middleweights have got more power than we can handle

 

altho admittedly the lack of torque in low rpm on my inline 4 can get a little annoying at times, but mebbe ur v-twin not that much of a prob.

[rhema83]

My SV650 was a naked bike, and the V-twin vibrates at high revs, so I got a bit scared. I didn't try top speed of the bike because the wind blast was just crazy. But the low end torque was superb. I had to be careful in first because it was too easy to wheelie that thing.

 

After that, I downgraded to my current CBR400 (to take to track) and the low end feels especially weak. I think I stalled the engine when moving off once, when I just downgraded.

 

Come to think about it, I want to get a literbike for two reasons. I want to ride a literbike at least once in my life, and I want to be able to keep up on high speed NSH runs / Sepang track day.

[R6ex]

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