GSX400RR Riders

[Zanpaktuo]

btw . g4 uses H4 Halogen bulbs right? does tt mean if i get a HID i should get a H4 too? hmmm Yoshitei and Gr4vity please check out http://www.limbat.com.sg/

and tell me what you guys think of . i purchased from them a pair of halogen bulbs before. durable but a little ex. lol

[Gr4vity]

ok HID with halogen low beam.

does a ballast needs to be installed? or jus change the bulbs?

any particular brand i could refer to?

how much does it cost and will it disturb the balance of the voltage of my g4

 

btw . g4 uses H4 Halogen bulbs right? does tt mean if i get a HID i should get a H4 too? hmmm Yoshitei and Gr4vity please check out http://www.limbat.com.sg/

and tell me what you guys think of . i purchased from them a pair of halogen bulbs before. durable but a little ex. lol

 

last time i used to get a china brand HID kit...as much as pple say china brand sucks...but it served me really well with no problem..it cost me $65 per set..one set is one slim ballast...one HID bulb with one halogen bulb..if u're using a HID bulb..u definitely need a ballast..ur battery cannot provide enough voltage to light up ur HID bulb...and although HID bulb requires more voltage to light up..but the amount of voltage required to maintain the light is lower than normal halogen bulb..and not to mention that its not as hot as halogen bulb...i think nowadays the ballast in the market are all slim ballast..i have no problem installing 2 slim ballast on my G4..but its not secured using screws or nuts...i secured it using 3m heavy duty double sided tape..don't get cheapo double sided tape because from all the bumps on the road ur ballast will detach easily..and yes..for G4 u gotta use H4 bulbs...and from what i know only H4 has got the 2-in-1 HID cum halogen...limbat carries HID that is made in korea...its selling at $110 per set(1 slim ballast & 1 bulb)...if u are going for the non glare version its $130 for one set...i called them up and check before thats y i know..but the price that i got from him is for H7...H4 should be around that range...and i bought halogen bulbs from them too...actually i thought the price was ok =X at least its definitely cheaper than philips diamond vision..diamond vision is white but the throw sucks...if u got spare cash yet u don't wanna risk getting caught by TP for HID..go for PIAA spark blue...halogen bulb that has got very nice bluish white and good throw...2 bulbs cost around $120

[yoshitei]

btw . g4 uses H4 Halogen bulbs right? does tt mean if i get a HID i should get a H4 too? hmmm Yoshitei and Gr4vity please check out http://www.limbat.com.sg/

and tell me what you guys think of . i purchased from them a pair of halogen bulbs before. durable but a little ex. lol

 

I wouldn't go HID and it's largely due to the consideration of other road users. The reflectors on the GK76 are not suited for HIDs and if you mounted such a bulb in there, you will be causing a hell lot of glare to other road users.

 

But if you insist, do take a look at http://www.theretrofitsource.com they carry a number of kits and even carry the required projects to help make your HID more enjoyable. They also have a 50w HID kit.

Edited June 21, 2011 by yoshitei

[Gr4vity]

I wouldn't go HID and it's largely due to the consideration of other road users. The reflectors on the GK76 are not suited for HIDs and if you mounted such a bulb in there, you will be causing a hell lot of glare to other road users.

 

But if you insist, do take a look at they carry a number of kits and even carry the required projects to help make your HID more enjoyable. They also have a 50w HID kit.

 

50w HID kit?..where??...thats pretty rare..nv see before..i've seen 35w and 55w though

[yoshitei]

diamond vision is white but the throw sucks...if u got spare cash yet u don't wanna risk getting caught by TP for HID..go for PIAA spark blue...halogen bulb that has got very nice bluish white and good throw...2 bulbs cost around $120

 

If you want good throw, go for Osram Rallye 70/65W H4s which are rated at 2100lm. As for those fancy bulbs from Polarg, PIAA etc, the look brighter because they human eye to brain interprets higher kelvin rating as brighter, but the actual lumen rating for these bulbs are typically nothing more then 1400lm.

 

You can't having brighter without more wattage just like you can't have more bhp without higher fuel consumption. Also, any bulb that is tinted will logically produce lesser, not more light. If my tinting a bulb blue or white, makes it brighter like what PIAA claims 55W = 100W, it really defeats the purpose of tinted visors.

Edited June 21, 2011 by yoshitei

[yoshitei]

Hi you guys want the brightest and whitest lights you can get, it may be comforting to know there is available in the market 10,000Lm LED lights. This should set you at least 3 time brighter then your HID units.

[Gr4vity]

If you want good throw, go for Osram Rallye 70/65W H4s which are rated at 2100lm. As for those fancy bulbs from Polarg, PIAA etc, the look brighter because they human eye to brain interprets higher kelvin rating as brighter, but the actual lumen rating for these bulbs are typically nothing more then 1400lm.

 

You can't having brighter without more wattage just like you can't have more bhp without higher fuel consumption. Also, any bulb that is tinted will logically produce lesser, not more light. If my tinting a bulb blue or white, makes it brighter like what PIAA claims 55W = 100W, it really defeats the purpose of wearing sunglasses.

 

not talking about lumen here...more of how much area can the light be shined at...of course if u were to stare at the bulb itself a human may perceive higher kelvin as brighter...but i'm talking about the area infront that it is shining at..for me i've tested diamond vision as well as PIAA spark blue on a same reflector...at least its proven that spark blue has got better throw...as for "can't having brighter without more wattage"..i think HID just speaks for itself...35w HID vs 50w halogen..3200lm vs 2100lm

[yoshitei]

as for "can't having brighter without more wattage"..i think HID just speaks for itself...35w HID vs 50w halogen..3200lm vs 2100lm

 

HID as it's name suggest is a whole different technology from halogen. It's not an equal comparison to have a 35W HID stacked up against a 55W halogen. A 35W LED easily produces 3200Lm without the need for a ballast and all it's associated weight. But then again, it's a different technology and hence, not a fair comparison.

 

The theory of "can't having brighter without more wattage" applies only within the technology type itself. Therefore, you can't increase the lumen rating in a HID or a halogen without altering the triple constrains; power consumption, heat generation and lifespan. For me, I'll rather higher wattage halogen bulb in selective yellow. It cancels out the shorter blue wavelengths reducing glare especially in rain and fog.

 

In my experience, HIDs don't really work too well in inclement weather. The higher the kelvin rating, the more scatter it creates when in the rain. If you're lucky enough to be going in excess of 200km/h on the North South when the rain hits, you'll wished you had selective yellows or hadn't bought into all that whitest = brightest marketing.

[Gr4vity]

HID as it's name suggest is a whole different technology from halogen. It's not an equal comparison to have a 35W HID stacked up against a 55W halogen. A 35W LED easily produces 3200Lm without the need for a ballast and all it's associated weight. But then again, it's a different technology and hence, not a fair comparison.

 

The theory of "can't having brighter without more wattage" applies only within the technology type itself. Therefore, you can't increase the lumen rating in a HID or a halogen without altering the triple constrains; power consumption, heat generation and lifespan. For me, I'll rather higher wattage halogen bulb in selective yellow. It cancels out the shorter blue wavelengths reducing glare especially in rain and fog.

 

In my experience, HIDs don't really work too well in inclement weather. The higher the kelvin rating, the more scatter it creates when in the rain. If you're lucky enough to be going in excess of 200km/h on the North South when the rain hits, you'll wished you had selective yellows or hadn't bought into all that whitest = brightest marketing.

 

i would agree with u that white light sucks during raining days...and yellow definitely works better in that...and i believe the brightest marketing was due to the fact that more people prefer aesthatics over actual use...so it really depends on what bro Zanpaktuo wants..nice colour or better lighting during rainy days...then again..there's HIR bulb...halogen infrared reflective...uses halogen hence no ballast required and its brighter than usual halogen bulb with the same wattage..looks like u have plenty of choices to choose from bro Zanpaktuo...if u're free maybe u can dropby autobacs...they have a range of bulbs there and samples...maybe after testing it u can decide better...and also u can have a feel of the light throw as well as the colour..don't just focus on lumens..lux are pretty important too...and not to mention that they are having promotion for Xuanku HID kits..=)

Edited June 21, 2011 by Gr4vity

[Zanpaktuo]

last time i used to get a china brand HID kit...as much as pple say china brand sucks...but it served me really well with no problem..it cost me $65 per set..one set is one slim ballast...one HID bulb with one halogen bulb..if u're using a HID bulb..u definitely need a ballast..ur battery cannot provide enough voltage to light up ur HID bulb...and although HID bulb requires more voltage to light up..but the amount of voltage required to maintain the light is lower than normal halogen bulb..and not to mention that its not as hot as halogen bulb...i think nowadays the ballast in the market are all slim ballast..i have no problem installing 2 slim ballast on my G4..but its not secured using screws or nuts...i secured it using 3m heavy duty double sided tape..don't get cheapo double sided tape because from all the bumps on the road ur ballast will detach easily..and yes..for G4 u gotta use H4 bulbs...and from what i know only H4 has got the 2-in-1 HID cum halogen...limbat carries HID that is made in korea...its selling at $110 per set(1 slim ballast & 1 bulb)...if u are going for the non glare version its $130 for one set...i called them up and check before thats y i know..but the price that i got from him is for H7...H4 should be around that range...and i bought halogen bulbs from them too...actually i thought the price was ok =X at least its definitely cheaper than philips diamond vision..diamond vision is white but the throw sucks...if u got spare cash yet u don't wanna risk getting caught by TP for HID..go for PIAA spark blue...halogen bulb that has got very nice bluish white and good throw...2 bulbs cost around $120

 

what brand is your HID (i know its a china brand but need to know more detail)? and where you get it from?

[Zanpaktuo]

wa soo many options.hmm lets say id like super white and don wana get caught by tp on e road. any options? budget abt 120 - 140.

oh ya all HID cnfm Fail inspection right?

[Gr4vity]

what brand is your HID (i know its a china brand but need to know more detail)? and where you get it from?

 

hmm..from the box it says "MTCXLPJ"...i thought that would be the model but apparently that is the most prominent thing on the box cover so i believe thats the brand...i got it in SBF...but i don't think that bro selling it anymore

[Gr4vity]

wa soo many options.hmm lets say id like super white and don wana get caught by tp on e road. any options? budget abt 120 - 140.

oh ya all HID cnfm Fail inspection right?

 

haha..lets just say i went to an inspection with an illegal yoshi pipe but i still pass it...so it really depends on the person inspecting ur bike..and u can always get the 2-in-1 HID bulb...even if u don't wanna get the 2-in-1 kind...HID is really easy to dismantle..its just plug and play..so during inspection u just unplug ur HID and put in the normal halogen bulb...y not u try autobacs white HIR bulbs?...they cost around $20 for 2 bulbs..limbat carries HIR bulbs too but only available in standard yellow...after trying let us know the results!! haha..=X

[ben2306]

3 of you no need to sleep??? past midnight talk hid... lolx.

i used to use white bulbs but after awhile,

i think it dont serve much purpose in spore. so now throw 1 side...

[Gr4vity]

3 of you no need to sleep??? past midnight talk hid... lolx.

i used to use white bulbs but after awhile,

i think it dont serve much purpose in spore. so now throw 1 side...

 

lol..basically i think headlights don't serve much purpose in singapore because everywhere is so well-litted...more of letting others to spot u easier than lighting up the road infront

[Zanpaktuo]

haha..lets just say i went to an inspection with an illegal yoshi pipe but i still pass it...so it really depends on the person inspecting ur bike..and u can always get the 2-in-1 HID bulb...even if u don't wanna get the 2-in-1 kind...HID is really easy to dismantle..its just plug and play..so during inspection u just unplug ur HID and put in the normal halogen bulb...y not u try autobacs white HIR bulbs?...they cost around $20 for 2 bulbs..limbat carries HIR bulbs too but only available in standard yellow...after trying let us know the results!! haha..=X

 

what you mean 2 in 1? means HID + Halogen? or HID with high beam and low beam.

autobacs in batok? the car shop?

Hmmm H4 White HIR bulbs? bright? ( lets say if compare with halogen la not HID )

and hows the consumption of battery and heat compared to halogen.

im alittle concerned about the heat because i used to ride SP and some bulbs would melt the reflector and itll cost a bomb to get a new one.

sorry ah i know i alot of qns =/

[Zanpaktuo]

hmm..from the box it says "MTCXLPJ"...i thought that would be the model but apparently that is the most prominent thing on the box cover so i believe thats the brand...i got it in SBF...but i don't think that bro selling it anymore

 

sad lost lobang

[Gr4vity]

what you mean 2 in 1? means HID + Halogen? or HID with high beam and low beam.

autobacs in batok? the car shop?

Hmmm H4 White HIR bulbs? bright? ( lets say if compare with halogen la not HID )

and hows the consumption of battery and heat compared to halogen.

im alittle concerned about the heat because i used to ride SP and some bulbs would melt the reflector and itll cost a bomb to get a new one.

sorry ah i know i alot of qns =/

 

yeah..2 in 1 as in u can switch between HID and halogen...and yeah..autobacs as in the car shop in bukit batok..typically HIR bulbs would be brighter than normal halogen bulbs...but i cannot say for sure for the white HIR bulbs because i've nv use them before...i would think the battery consumption won't be similar to that of halogen and the heat produced would be more or less the same as long as u purchase the 55w one..the problem will only arise when u buy the 100w one..either ur socket may fail or ur reflector may melt

[Zanpaktuo]

yeah..2 in 1 as in u can switch between HID and halogen...and yeah..autobacs as in the car shop in bukit batok..typically HIR bulbs would be brighter than normal halogen bulbs...but i cannot say for sure for the white HIR bulbs because i've nv use them before...i would think the battery consumption won't be similar to that of halogen and the heat produced would be more or less the same as long as u purchase the 55w one..the problem will only arise when u buy the 100w one..either ur socket may fail or ur reflector may melt

 

okok. let me get a fact clear. Any H4 55/60w HIR / Halogen bulb will fit nicely into my g4 socket?

im like intending to install it on my own so i don wana get the wrong size.

and i saw phillips bulbs online. super attractive. the lumens they produce equivalent to HID and no need ballast.

[Gr4vity]

okok. let me get a fact clear. Any H4 55/60w HIR / Halogen bulb will fit nicely into my g4 socket?

im like intending to install it on my own so i don wana get the wrong size.

and i saw phillips bulbs online. super attractive. the lumens they produce equivalent to HID and no need ballast.

 

yes..u just need to get a H4 bulb and u can definitely install it in ur G4...many bulbs manufacturers claim that their bulbs can produde lumens as much as HID...but i cannot find one that is really that bright

[Zanpaktuo]

yes..u just need to get a H4 bulb and u can definitely install it in ur G4...many bulbs manufacturers claim that their bulbs can produde lumens as much as HID...but i cannot find one that is really that bright

 

they dont burn out quickly right ? and lets say i could get a pair about 4200k h4 55/60w

for 30$?

[Gr4vity]

they dont burn out quickly right ? and lets say i could get a pair about 4200k h4 55/60w

for 30$?

 

i can't say for sure if they burn out quickly or not because i've not tested the HIR sold at autobacs...what i've tested = diamond vision..piaa spark blue..and a philips bulb that came with my bike...diamond vision lifespan is really short...the other 2 is ok...the one that limbat is selling is ok

[ben2306]

they dont burn out quickly right ? and lets say i could get a pair about 4200k h4 55/60w

for 30$?

you want H4 white bulbs? i think mine is osram. if you want, come take from me. take it & try it out, if you like it then pay me. price? you decide. deal? but bulb is in my office. tml let you know the voltage if its written on the bulb. anyway, i'm not using already. throw inside drawer. thought of install into my car but as my car still under warranty so cancel. Edited June 23, 2011 by ben2306

[yoshitei]

okok. let me get a fact clear. Any H4 55/60w HIR / Halogen bulb will fit nicely into my g4 socket?

im like intending to install it on my own so i don wana get the wrong size.

and i saw phillips bulbs online. super attractive. the lumens they produce equivalent to HID and no need ballast.

 

GK76 headlights uses H4 bulbs.

 

HIRs are, to the best of my understanding, available only for HB3 and HB4 bulbs. HIR HB3 (65w) and HB4 (55w) are rated at 2500 and 1870 lumen respectively.

 

Your best option for a drop in fit, would be the Osram Rallye 70/65w rated at 2000/1350 lumen or Osram 85/80w rated at 2400/1750 lumen.

 

The above specifications are from reputable manufacturers like Toshiba and Philips unless otherwise stated. There may have been some lesser manufacturers producing a H4 HIR but there are definitely other manufacturers producing H4 bulbs with wattage up to 130w or more, Narva comes to mind.

 

Personally I prefer my bulb lens either clear to maximize the light output or in selective yellow to help see better in bad weather.

 

Tinting a bulb blue colors the light spectrum with the shortest light wavelength thereby producing a while light which dissipates quickly and produces more glare from fog and rain. However, there is another way for a halogen bulb produce white light. By coating the glass gold (PIAA comes to mind) the yellow wavelength gets filtered out producing a blue cast.

 

As incandesen bulbs produce predominately yellow light, filtering the yellow spectrum out of such bulbs decreases the amount of light being produced, much like putting on tinted visors on a sunny day.

[Zanpaktuo]

GK76 headlights uses H4 bulbs.

 

HIRs are, to the best of my understanding, available only for HB3 and HB4 bulbs. HIR HB3 (65w) and HB4 (55w) are rated at 2500 and 1870 lumen respectively.

 

Your best option for a drop in fit, would be the Osram Rallye 70/65w rated at 2000/1350 lumen or Osram 85/80w rated at 2400/1750 lumen.

 

The above specifications are from reputable manufacturers like Toshiba and Philips unless otherwise stated. There may have been some lesser manufacturers producing a H4 HIR but there are definitely other manufacturers producing H4 bulbs with wattage up to 130w or more, Narva comes to mind.

 

Personally I prefer my bulb lens either clear to maximize the light output or in selective yellow to help see better in bad weather.

 

Tinting a bulb blue colors the light spectrum with the shortest light wavelength thereby producing a while light which dissipates quickly and produces more glare from fog and rain. However, there is another way for a halogen bulb produce white light. By coating the glass gold (PIAA comes to mind) the yellow wavelength gets filtered out producing a blue cast.

 

As incandesen bulbs produce predominately yellow light, filtering the yellow spectrum out of such bulbs decreases the amount of light being produced, much like putting on tinted visors on a sunny day.

 

hmmm. so detailed ^^

about the above 2 bulbs u mentioned

do you roughly know the pricing?

and the watt required for the bulbs isnt it going to disturb voltage balance for my g4?

cause to my noob understanding advised to use 55/60w