(diy) spark booooooster

[wind21]

anw i'm not here to look for a fight or wat so ever , just wanting you guys to educate me why are you doing so ?

[crazydj]

Er, this is a DIY thread? So if we deconstruct an item to see what is actually in it, as consumers, we can then judge whether we can replicate what is being done or whether there is real quality in making of the product.

 

Its like computers years, years back. Compaq, Dell, etc. We bought a unit, removed it to it bits and see how it was assembled together using what parts and what not. As the years go by, we consumers taught ourselves that its better to build a PC on our own as we can get it much much cheaper with a better build quality.

 

In addition to that, think of it as 'Choice', the consumer product watch dog for Australians. They buy a product, deconstruct it, test it out and all that and write reviews. Its basically a much better CASE in Singapore. So in this case, perhaps we can get together to look at a product and to see its internals and quality?

 

As for myself, i admit that sometimes when i buy electronics and it spoils, i will disassemble it and take a look at its internals. First thing to look out for are the solders, connections, placement and layout of the internals. If it is using electrical tape and glued down with hot melt glue, we can tell its quality compared to one with a specifically designed PCB. I ever have seen a made in China digital camera, many years back, its internals were using primitive PCB, like the kind you can buy at Sim Lim tower and fix yourself. Compared with an Olympus one. So this would be a way to warn ourselves and our loved ones to avoid the brand.

 

Many times, large companies purposely design their products so that it would be very difficult to copy. Take for example, a Braun shaver. I have tried and tried to disassemble the shaver, but its not only very difficult. But when i do, one look at the internals and i know its made of superior quality compared to other, much cheaper shavers. There are also specific tools used to open these shavers up and these tools are only available for use by Braun technicians, for example.

Edited April 4, 2012 by crazydj

[yinghai]

admin wun have asked u to remove the post if he/she find it appropriate . can someone like educate me on why you guys wanna expose the booster ? to prove that the booster is actually not doing what it's said to do ?

 

I removed the post at my own accord not because its inappropriate or whatsoever but to prevent any further conflicts in this thread.. Lots of people are so curious on how the product works and whats inside that makes the product works.. The differences of all the current booster product.. Was it well worth the money spend?? Everyone wants to know before investing thier hard earn money.. I hope you have a better understanding why this thread is made..

[babyburger]

ohhh... so all the shop can close down le lohz... expose it and copying ppl's ideas to become your OWN ideas...

[ezzyoiler]

the way to learn and improve are many..

it is easier to build on the experience /current design...thn to try to design based on your experience and expertise..fo asimple reason yours are limited..

thats always a saying..you wont want to reinvent the wheel do you..or when you built a better mouse trap the world is your oyster..

 

for thos who think that dismantling the products to figure out how it works and its weaknesses iswrong...than stop using google to do your homework..

 

thank you yinghai...i learnt something...today that they are ignoramous and simple people who like to pay high prices for something simple...and that they believe every word that is posted in the internet..

[ezzyoiler]

if i may add..

improvement will never stop. for anyone.....if someone eg...can invent something to replace capacitors....than the current design will be obsolete...

[yinghai]

ohhh... so all the shop can close down le lohz... expose it and copying ppl's ideas to become your OWN ideas...

 

I think more shops are opening due to this product.. They look into this product, replicate it and put it to the market.. breaking new technology with a patent pending?? Whose idea was it anyway???

 

Most products are exposed by people to justify the price and its quality..

 

Ive explained myself why the thread is up on post 28..

[esystemssg]

if i may add..

improvement will never stop. for anyone.....if someone eg...can invent something to replace capacitors....than the current design will be obsolete...

Yes, it has already been done. Not to "replace capacitors" but rather to implement better technology that gives customers more bang for their buck.

 

Search for Esoteric Systems under the Advertisers' Board sub-forum; do not post queries on products here because this is a Hands-On thread that is meant to be kept clean and for the purpose of knowledge sharing - not argument or advertisement.

 

Aside, anyone who has had some basic electronics knowledge will know how the capacitors work to improve things. And also the fact that there is always a small amount of leakage current with electrolytic capacitors.

 

How about coming back from a holiday and find that you can't start your bike when going to school, camp or office? If capacitors across the battery were a solution that does not cause more problems, I guess Yamaha and Honda would have done it years ago.

 

I think more shops are opening due to this product.. They look into this product, replicate it and put it to the market.. breaking new technology with a patent pending?? Whose idea was it anyway???

 

Most products are exposed by people to justify the price and its quality..

 

Ive explained myself why the thread is up on post 28..

No one will spend nearly $100k to patent a product in Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Taiwan and maybe the USA - if it is not something that can be sold to most human beings (e.g. iPhone, Windows OS) or is cock-sure to generate tens of millions of dollars in revenue. If someone claims to have "patent pending technology", run a search with IPOS (http://www.ipos.gov.sg).

 

Far too much of this out there ...

 

[ezzyoiler]

haha...capacitors are still the main components...for a while i thought wow..no more capacitors failure...haha...

[yinghai]

Ive been getting lots of private messages asking which pin to which pin to which wire.. For those who are new to schematics, this is what it looks like in basic..

 

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/malex_sky/2ed4c633.jpg

 

3 wires, in/out/ground.. Thats all..

[slwthr]

what about this firestorm coil booster?

 

I was thinking to buy firestorm booster for my car. Is it this same capacitor and diode technology? but it is has only 2 wires direct connect to the ignition coil fuse...

 

I'm wonder how its working through the fuse line?

 

[yinghai]

Its the same but running in series..

[slwthr]

can you please explain me how is it work in series?

 

is it really boost the spark width like their videos shows?

 

i want to see the example schematic. dear yinghai do you get any?

 

thanx for your reply.

[yinghai]

http://www.peony888.com/VS/sparkoptimizer_new_sch.png

 

Schematic same as this with one additional diode not in circuit.. Input goes in ground..

[slwthr]

If I really buy firestorm coil booster is that really will boost my engine ignition spark?

 

actually what is the benefits from that?

[yinghai]

All videos will try to make stock looks bad and with the product it looks very good... But ive tested it myself and theres not much difference with and without the product.. The whole objective of this product is too reduce the time for the coil to charge before the next spark..

[slwthr]

Thank you a lot for the good reply friend yinghai

[TSBuster]

Ying HAI. Your diagram from Peony88 has 1 wire going to ground but the FireStorm 2 wires go into fuse socket and not into ground so how is it you say the stabilizer circuit is the same circuit in the FireStorm???

 

You say that the product video and its inventor is making a fake product and selling lies to people who are stupid to buy it.

 

I say that you are the one who is telling lies and misleading other people to believe you in your theory of the FireStorm.

 

You cant even understand what slwthr said about install to ignition coil fuse which means the 2 wires dont touch or connect to ground. Your voltage stabilizer diagram has 1 wire to ground.

 

This circuit is similar to all VS products which must have a wire to ground.

 

I SAY YOU, YING HAI, ARE THE ONE TELLING LIES TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CLEVER BUT YOU JUST SHOWED THE WHOLE WORLD HOW YOU REALLY ARE!

[yinghai]

Product running in series instead of parallel to ground.. you created an account just to post this?..

[TSBuster]

This is to tell you that your knowledge of electronics is so limited that you are so naive to think that the VS circuits in Peony88.com is worth anything at all.

 

Yet you are so smart to copy the design of a useless product.

 

I use the FireStorm Booster and I know the theory behind the design and it is totally different from your speculation.

 

I dont want you to mislead other bikers here with your unfounded knowledge and garbage. The owner of Peony88 website already proved that the VS designs are all useless, so dont mislead others down the path to a useless device.

[TSBuster]

By the way, I own 2 bikes and 3 cars snd I use the FireStorm in one of my bikes and 3 of my cars.

 

Dont speculate and badmouth a product if you havent even tested out the product.

 

It just reflects on your shallow personality.

[yinghai]

Are you from their sales?... anyway, i have no bad intention or whatsoever towards all the product in this page.. this thread intention has been repeated.. if you cant afford it, feel free to built them.. i do product testing as a hobby, buy them, test them, break them, replicate them and give to friends to test them.. collecting results and data.. apart from ignition dwelling coil solution to ignition voltage increase to 18v primary secondary coil product, i also deal with testing of tuning chips including diesel tuning chip, programmable cdi, atre, quickshifters and many more.. basically all the little gadget gizmo.. if you think that i lack the knowledge on this particular product, i would really love to know your theory on how this product work, technically...

[TSBuster]

I dont represent them in any way whatsoever. I just dont like to see a wiseguy shoot their mouth off about a device that they know nothing about except to rip it apart and see what is inside.

 

There are laws to protect intellectual property and you can be sued in court for replicating the design irrespective of whether the product is patented or not. Why have you not ripped apart any of Haltech or MSD's products and replicate them since these products are so very much more expensive than all those simple useless devices that you have ripped apart or copied from other online websites???

 

I was told by the guy who sold to me that it works by resonance which means nothing to me except that it works as advertised by the seller and I am happy with that to buy 3 units for my cars and 2 units for my bikes.

 

Why dont you get a unit of this device and rip it apart and see if the inventor will haul you to court???

 

If you are not careful in trying to show how smart you are, you may just get so well known when your name appears in the media for copyright infringement and for stealing intellectual property.

[TSBuster]

I dont represent them in any way whatsoever. I just dont like to see a wiseguy shoot their mouth off about a device that they know nothing about except to rip it apart and see what is inside.

 

There are laws to protect intellectual property and you can be sued in court for replicating the design irrespective of whether the product is patented or not. Why have you not ripped apart any of Haltech or MSD's products and replicate them since these products are so very much more expensive than all those simple useless devices that you have ripped apart or copied from other online websites???

 

I was told by the guy who sold to me that it works by resonance which means nothing to me except that it works as advertised by the seller and I am happy with that to buy 3 units for my cars and 2 units for my bikes.

 

Why dont you get a unit of this device and rip it apart and see if the inventor will haul you to court???

 

If you are not careful in trying to show how smart you are, you may just get so well known when your name appears in the media for copyright infringement and for stealing intellectual property.

[yinghai]

here comes the law, the sue and the court, again and again.. seems like your knowledge behind the theory of how the product works is solely base on what they claim.. anyway, electrical resonance frequencies main components are still capacitors for your info.. technically, this product was supposed to increase the voltage input of the ignition coil.. lets used 1:1000 as a simple figure for the transformer in the ignition coil.. your primary coil is receiving 12v giving your secondary coil output 12000v to the spark plug.. with a slightly higher voltage like 14v, your voltage to the spark plug is no longer 12000v but 14000v.. like what everyone thought, the higher the voltage, the stronger the sparks.. ive done projects similar to haltech and msd base on arduino... its good that the product works for you... people can choose to believe this thread or believe claims of what the product would do.. its up to them to decide if the product actually works or not..