Honda NC700X

[greatmole]

Hi guys!

 

any1 knows what is the latest price for the nc700x?

 

Cheers!

 

i just got my nc700xabs at 17.5 w/o ins and i/u

[Pizzaboy]

So far speedway cheapest 17.8k otr inclusive of everytin all in

[kmjoe]

wau lan eh i now running in my nc700x...... like the vibration v terrible..... always toc toc toc toc toc.....

 

btw how much does a rack and top box cost ???

bro let me guess, its on 6th gear below 100km right

[alvinyansg]

wau lan eh i now running in my nc700x...... like the vibration v terrible..... always toc toc toc toc toc.....

 

btw how much does a rack and top box cost ???

 

 

HAIL THE GREAT MOLE!!!!!!!

 

riding manual or dct?

sound at which gear and speed?

[apr75]

Hello gents...

I've been reading that the nc700x has got more tok(tourque) than the cb400, what does this actually mean? In laymen terms.., does it mean that it has got more pick up speed than a cb4?

 

Can any kind soul here pls enlighten me.., many many thanx...

[bitx]

Can any kind soul here pls enlighten me.., many many thanx...

 

There are many variables involved such as weight, gear ratio and throttle. Nut IMO, CB400 should have a faster 0-100 timing.

[apr75]

There are many variables involved such as weight, gear ratio and throttle. Nut IMO, CB400 should have a faster 0-100 timing.

 

Thank u.

I am now riding a cb400 and am very tempted to change my ride to the nc700x.., i am just looking for more reasons to persuade my other half that its worth to change ride..., will be using the bike for daily commute(@80km daily) and occasional light touring up north..pls "help" me guys...

Thanx...

Edited May 28, 2013 by apr75

[apr75]

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[apr75]

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[kimochi]

Hello gents...

I've been reading that the nc700x has got more tok(tourque) than the cb400, what does this actually mean? In laymen terms.., does it mean that it has got more pick up speed than a cb4?

 

Statistically Super 4 is better in power to weight ratio as compared to NC700.

 

Super 4 is lighter and have a higher redline (11,000rpm@52hp) 39Nm 190km/h

 

NC700X heavier and lower redline (6250rpm@51hp) 60Nm ~185km/h

 

From the figure you can clearly see that the horse power is almost the same except the torque. The later model may come with lower horses like 47hp.

 

NC700 are tuned for low down torque hence the oversquare engine making low redline rpm. Meaning you can hang in low rpm around 2500rpm-3000rpm without having the engine struggling. Something like that. If super 4 can hang around this rpm without struggling than it's nothing great.

I would suppose that the power from this range will pull readily and strongly as compared to super 4 since it doesn't need the rpm to compensate for not enough torque.

 

Problem is the power of NC will be loss once it rev pass 4750rpm and will touch the redline forcing you to change quickly. A bit hard to explain. Unlike S4 where you can rev higher into the 11,000rpm to compensate lack of torque and increase speed to let you speed up without the need to change gear quickly, something like that.

 

NC700's engine as i have mention before are made for the DCT IMO.

Fuel economy and efficiency is the aim of this product.

 

Short shift and cruise at low rpm. Quick powerful short burst between 2nd to 4th gear.

 

So your question is what does higher torque do in NC? It lets you ride at lower rpm without the engine struggling/knocking.

How do Super4 39Nm torque compensate for the lack of torque as compared to NC 60Nm? Easy, just rev higher.

 

Above are my theories and i am no engineering student. Info maybe inaccurate and please correct me.

[xvandal69]

Well I think I hit ard 240-280KM. It's good enuff for me cos as long it can reach Ayer keroh pump station with speed between 140-160km/h. Still have 1lt reserve. I have no panniers or topbox nor crashbar n skid plate. No pillion too. So next trip I wanna put on panniers, crashbar. With pillion, see how far the bike measure in speed to distance to fuel consumption.

[kifakw]

Could this be the reason why the exhaust doesn't sound as fierce as other twin?

 

270 degree crank.

 

Other Twin uses 180 and 360 crank degree.

 

http://www.cycleworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2012-Honda-NC700X-First-Ride_013.jpg

 

http://world.honda.com/Global-700cc-engine/Tech-details/image/z1.gif

 

TDM900 is on 270 degree crank too

 

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/525944_10151044968611397_442797402_n.jpg

 

[kifakw]

Hello gents...

I've been reading that the nc700x has got more tok(tourque) than the cb400, what does this actually mean? In laymen terms.., does it mean that it has got more pick up speed than a cb4?

 

more torque = you do not have to keep changing gear, you have alot of "pulling force" or some say "power" from low revs onwards in all the gears less the 5th or 6th gear. And you dont have to throttle much to feel the "pulling force" or "power" kick in.

However, you lose up on top speed as compared to another bike with high HP output.

[Wizard]

great sharing by the folks here..

another point to add on is that.. nc7 is great for city riding.. at low gear its easy to throttle off without high rev.. and its 30km/l fuel comsumption

[goomeister]

Hello gents...

I've been reading that the nc700x has got more tok(tourque) than the cb400, what does this actually mean? In laymen terms.., does it mean that it has got more pick up speed than a cb4?

 

Fantastic replies by Kimochi and Wizard above.

 

Explain in my context.

 

i weigh 120kg. Super 4 struggles to carry my weight when it tries to pick up. To accelerate fast enough, I rev'ed higher rpm for better torque.

 

NC700's engine is spec'ed for low-mid range max torque. With my heavy weight, its a breeze for the NC to go from 0-90kmh as the torque starts to flat-line at near max after 3000rpm.

 

i.e. From 0-5000rpm, the NC has more torque when compared to Super 4. But it has something like an extra 50-60kg in kerb weight to carry too.

 

Beyond that magic 4750rpm, the bike actually feels as though its losing power due the way Honda tuned this engine.

 

The Super 4 can rev all the way beyond 10,000rpm to get that extra torque boost to beat the NC700. The trade-off? Miserable FC and an engine screaming your ear drums to pieces.

 

Honda didn't set out to make the NC700 a mid-sized speedster. Its really a commuter bike with some sleek designs.

 

And Wizard is right. The NC700 engine is tuned for the DCT.

 

You have to get used to short-shifting if you want the manual transmission and good FC. (The bike's readily-accessible max torque implies that you hit 4750 rpm really fast. You have to shift early hence"short-shifting")

 

Else, I advise you to take the DCT option or look somewhere else.

 

Another owner sums up this bike in 2 words: "Over-sized Kupkia".

 

If you like your bike ripping and roaring all the time, the NC700 is really not for you.

[kifakw]

Fantastic replies by Kimochi and Wizard above.

 

Explain in my context.

 

i weigh 120kg. Super 4 struggles to carry my weight when it tries to pick up. To accelerate fast enough, I rev'ed higher rpm for better torque.

 

NC700's engine is spec'ed for low-mid range max torque. With my heavy weight, its a breeze for the NC to go from 0-90kmh as the torque starts to flat-line at near max after 3000rpm.

 

i.e. From 0-5000rpm, the NC has more torque when compared to Super 4. But it has something like an extra 50-60kg in kerb weight to carry too.

 

Beyond that magic 4750rpm, the bike actually feels as though its losing power due the way Honda tuned this engine.

 

The Super 4 can rev all the way beyond 10,000rpm to get that extra torque boost to beat the NC700. The trade-off? Miserable FC and an engine screaming your ear drums to pieces.

 

Honda didn't set out to make the NC700 a mid-sized speedster. Its really a commuter bike with some sleek designs.

 

And Wizard is right. The NC700 engine is tuned for the DCT.

 

You have to get used to short-shifting if you want the manual transmission and good FC. (The bike's readily-accessible max torque implies that you hit 4750 rpm really fast. You have to shift early hence"short-shifting")

 

Else, I advise you to take the DCT option or look somewhere else.

 

Another owner sums up this bike in 2 words: "Over-sized Kupkia".

 

If you like your bike ripping and roaring all the time, the NC700 is really not for you.

 

 

but when super4 vtec opens, it sounds damn awesome with an aftermarket pipe ....

[kimochi]

TDM900 is on 270 degree crank too

 

http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/525944_10151044968611397_442797402_n.jpg

 

 

Ahhh that sounds the same as the NC.

So that's the unique sound of 270 crank firing.

Just found out the super tenere 1200 also have a 270 degree crank.

 

 

Forgot to mention that NC can maintain speed from as low as ~2000rpm between 2nd to 4th gear.

Good for slow speed smooth cruising.

[kifakw]

Ahhh that sounds the same as the NC.

So that's the unique sound of 270 crank firing.

Just found out the super tenere 1200 also have a 270 degree crank.

 

 

Forgot to mention that NC can maintain speed from as low as ~2000rpm between 2nd to 4th gear.

Good for slow speed smooth cruising.

 

with the baffles/silencer out, it will sound much better. a very very bassy tone when idle.

[apr75]

Many many thanx for all the info guys...:-)

[swissbake]

Torque is pulling force. HP is more related to top end.

 

The NC having higher torque than S4 means that it has more pulling force than S4 at lower rpm.

Remember that S4 is 399cc while NC is 670cc. The larger cc in the NC engine allows it to do more work per rpm. So the NC moves off and climbs better than S4 at low speed or lower rpm.

>Think bodybuilder carrying heavy weight.

 

Now the reason S4 has similar HP as the NC even though its cc is only 60% is because of the way the engine is designed to operate. S4 is spec to run at higher rpm than NC.

Remember that per rpm of the piston converts fuel into expansion energy -> turns the clutch -> turns front chain ring -> pulls chain -> turns back chain ring -> turns wheel.

So a smaller engine can do more work if the work per rpm (resistance) is low and the engine is able to run at higher rpm.

By running the S4 at high rpm, the S4 can get to higher speed using momentum and lower work per rpm than the NC

>Think thin sprinter with fast turning legs

 

Not scientific but here’s another illustration. At max rpm, the total cc utilized per minute is

S4 = 399x11000=4.39M cc/m

NC = 670x6250=4.19M cc/m

They are almost identical, and will have similar top speed.

However, the weight, engine layout, engine performance and gearing will affect how quickly and how much the top speed can be reached.

 

A big cc bike may pull off slower (high weight resistance) but will have a higher top end (engine HP and momentum)

A small cc bike may pull off fast (high rpm and low weight resistance) but will have a lower top end because even at max rpm, the total HP is low.

Edited May 29, 2013 by swissbake

[swissbake]

More difficult to determine but no less important is piston surface area and travel designed into the engine cylinder. A larger piston surface area may allow greater force per sqm to be transferred. A longer piston travel may mean better leverage on rotation. Also a larger combustion volume may mean more complete combustion of fuel and greater volume for expansion, leading to more complete power delivery and fuel economy. Even the way air enters the engine and fumes exit the engine will affect performance.

 

But the tradeoff may be a lower maximum rpm given stability and efficiency issues at higher rpm. That's why high performance machines are very difficult to maintain, because tolerances are very tight for peak performance. It is very difficult to design an engine that is good in every area. The best way to buy a bike is to buy one that is best in the area that you desire the most.

 

A high spec-ed bike that doesn't deliver peak performance ( harley ? haha ) is because much energy is lost to weight and engine inefficiencies such as vibration and sound energy.

[swissbake]

One last note: you cannot rev S4 higher at 3th gear and 10kmh and expect it to still pick up. It’s impossible because the rolling resistance is too great for the engine to overcome. Rpm is a function of momentum. S4 needs to gain sufficient momentum before its higher rpm can come into play.

The triumph rocket 3 on the other hand can move off from start on 3rd gear because it has so much torque (2294cc). That bike is a beast.

[Nick_Lee]

Hi all. I might be looking to let go my white nc700x. Itchy backside, want to try another style if bike. My nc is in immaculate condition. Basement carparked and many accesories. 2 digit number plate which I might be keeping. Anyone keen?

[goomeister]

Many many thanx for all the info guys...:-)

 

If you are still interested, there's nothing like riding the bike itself to get a feel of its torquey performance.

 

Just join us on our gathering in June lah.

[kimochi]

One last note: you cannot rev S4 higher at 3th gear and 10kmh and expect it to still pick up. It’s impossible because the rolling resistance is too great for the engine to overcome. Rpm is a function of momentum. S4 needs to gain sufficient momentum before its higher rpm can come into play.

The triumph rocket 3 on the other hand can move off from start on 3rd gear because it has so much torque (2294cc). That bike is a beast.

 

Thanks for the detailed info