Optimum Petrol for performance/modified scooters

[gamerzdude]

Hey guys, what's your experience with petrol? Any difference between brands and fuel octane?

 

A lot of times, i read about these on car forums, about how some brands are "dirty" and so on, but there has been no concrete evidence. Could all just me myths and marketing.

 

For me:

1. No difference between different brands of petrol.

2. Shell V-Power has a significant difference that can be felt in terms of my acceleration, pick-up speed, and the engine does not rattle so much when it is maxed out (throttle full).

3. Between 95 and 98 no difference. I never pump 92 as my owner's manual said minimum pump 95 octane.

 

What's your take?

[gamerzdude]

i'm runnin this thread in the scooters section, as i do not want it to be compared with superbikes and large capacity 1000+cc touring machines - their requirements and fuel experience could be very different from scooters.

[parotae]

For Fuel Economy

 

I have tried Petronas recommended by someone as i was complaining about my high fuel consumption. Was surprise that it actually gave good mileage i never had on my Downtown 300 since new.

[hachi]

Hey guys, what's your experience with petrol? Any difference between brands and fuel octane?

 

A lot of times, i read about these on car forums, about how some brands are "dirty" and so on, but there has been no concrete evidence. Could all just me myths and marketing.

 

For me:

1. No difference between different brands of petrol.

2. Shell V-Power has a significant difference that can be felt in terms of my acceleration, pick-up speed, and the engine does not rattle so much when it is maxed out (throttle full).

3. Between 95 and 98 no difference. I never pump 92 as my owner's manual said minimum pump 95 octane.

 

What's your take?

 

If your engine is not high compression engine then dont waste money.... Like Yamaha R6 13.1:1 ratio one of the highest high com engine only needs 95...If my manual says 89 then 92 is more than enough..Oct number is to prevent knocking... Others like cleansing additives then is another story which needed to be proven....

[gamerzdude]

yeah, i agree with the octane levels. More importantly, i have read that the difference between the more expensive fuels (i.e. higher octane) is the higher grade additives that the petrol companies add in. And different brands add different additives and thus the performance difference on vehicles. I too believe that V-Power is not because of the octane, but the additives - does make my bike perform better at acceleration, and engine feel at max throttle.

 

If your engine is not high compression engine then dont waste money.... Like Yamaha R6 13.1:1 ratio one of the highest high com engine only needs 95...If my manual says 89 then 92 is more than enough..Oct number is to prevent knocking... Others like cleansing additives then is another story which needed to be proven....

[gamerzdude]

yeah, i agree with the octane levels. More importantly, i have read that the difference between the more expensive fuels (i.e. higher octane) is the higher grade additives that the petrol companies add in. And different brands add different additives and thus the performance difference on vehicles. I too believe that V-Power is not because of the octane, but the additives - does make my bike perform better at acceleration, and engine feel at max throttle.

 

If your engine is not high compression engine then dont waste money.... Like Yamaha R6 13.1:1 ratio one of the highest high com engine only needs 95...If my manual says 89 then 92 is more than enough..Oct number is to prevent knocking... Others like cleansing additives then is another story which needed to be proven....

[gamerzdude]

Anyone of you add your own additives to your fuel tank? (for performance) may i ask what you add?

[confusehaha]

Frequently i do add some stp injectors cleaners addictive with my fuel..

I did tired a couple of times of spc 92 on my silverwing before.. Not too bad though, still pretty smooth Anyway I find 95 Is sufficient and good enough for the bike in Singapore.

Not necessary to go for v power.

[hachi]

yeah, i agree with the octane levels. More importantly, i have read that the difference between the more expensive fuels (i.e. higher octane) is the higher grade additives that the petrol companies add in. And different brands add different additives and thus the performance difference on vehicles. I too believe that V-Power is not because of the octane, but the additives - does make my bike perform better at acceleration, and engine feel at max throttle.

 

No offense, but your statement is a bit contradicting. Maybe you can share your link?

Which kinda of additives make the bike performance better?? If petrol can cleans the engine, i agreed.

If using petrol like V power, used in engine with a compression that doesn't warrants a high octane, then any given power cycle, the engine still produce same power. I am not sure how does it translate into better performance?

[zhang jin]

Hey guys, what's your experience with petrol? Any difference between brands and fuel octane?

 

A lot of times, i read about these on car forums, about how some brands are "dirty" and so on, but there has been no concrete evidence. Could all just me myths and marketing.

 

For me:

1. No difference between different brands of petrol.

2. Shell V-Power has a significant difference that can be felt in terms of my acceleration, pick-up speed, and the engine does not rattle so much when it is maxed out (throttle full).

3. Between 95 and 98 no difference. I never pump 92 as my owner's manual said minimum pump 95 octane.

 

What's your take?

if the petrol is strictly for scooters,then any brand will do.so long as the engine runs & do not run dry while @ highway.scooters are meant for point A to point B.

[etkach3]

FACTS ON DIFFERENT PETROL BRANDS aka Shell, Esso etc...

 

(This info is from my friend working in Shell @ Jurong Island)

 

Different petrol station has different additives added into it.

 

1) ESSO & SPC & PETRONAS - Contains Lubricant Additives (For Smooth Engine Workload)

2) CALTEX - Contians Cleaning Additives aka Techron (For Cleaning Engine)

3) SHELL - Contains Additives for better combustion (More for racing)

 

For general users like us, we dont feel any difference if we use any of these fuel

Unless if u are those track race ppl den you'll know which petrol suits the best performance..

[gamerzdude]

bro, scooter is not neccessary from point a to point b. In case you are not aware, there are many models of maxi-scooters for touring and we also have 800cc scooters and above. And the ever popular Yamaha Tmax runs on parrallel V-twin engines with 530cc, and its acceleration beats many sports bike of the same capacity.

 

if the petrol is strictly for scooters,then any brand will do.so long as the engine runs & do not run dry while @ highway.scooters are meant for point A to point B.

[gamerzdude]

Let me explain again:

 

V-Power and 95-octane: There are 2 differences. One is the octane levels. Second is the additional performance additives in V-power.

 

I have better experience with V-power versus 95-octane. My assumption, as I agreed, is that it is not the octane level difference that creates this effect. Rather, it's the second point, the additional additives that result in the increased performance. This is only my assumption, thus I am asking brudders here for actual real-world performance difference in actual condition riding.

 

Technical documents (links provided) give evidence to difference created by additives:

http://www.environment.gov.au/atmosphere/fuelquality/publications/pubs/octane-report.pdf

 

Additives can also have harmful effects on the engine (and some petrol companies continue using these "harmful" additives):

http://www.aecc.be/content/pdf/AECC%20Additives%20Position%20Paper%20final%20040902.pdf

 

Additives do affect durability, catalyctic performance, etc.

 

Another articles states that:

"Gas additives can take the form of oxygenates (alcohol or ethers), which can reduce the carbon monoxide expelled into the air by your vehicle. Octane boosters and anti-knocking agents sometimes work, but if you need to use them to have a smooth running engine, then there is a problem with your engine that needs a mechanics attention.

 

Fuel stabilizers and antioxidants can be helpful if you do not use a vehicle very often, as these will help the gas from getting old and stale and subsequently performing sluggishly. Fuel system cleaners can also be helpful on occasion to clean-up harmful build-up and keep your engine running as it should."

 

No offense, but your statement is a bit contradicting. Maybe you can share your link?

Which kinda of additives make the bike performance better?? If petrol can cleans the engine, i agreed.

If using petrol like V power, used in engine with a compression that doesn't warrants a high octane, then any given power cycle, the engine still produce same power. I am not sure how does it translate into better performance?

[Mark Yeow]

Caltex fuel actually does wonders with their cleaning technology!

[hachi]

bro, scooter is not neccessary from point a to point b. In case you are not aware, there are many models of maxi-scooters for touring and we also have 800cc scooters and above. And the ever popular Yamaha Tmax runs on parrallel V-twin engines with 530cc, and its acceleration beats many sports bike of the same capacity.

 

For starter can share with us which sport bikes can tmax 530 beats it? Super 4 0-100kph around 5.5sec to 6 sec all out. TMAX 7 sec or so...If round off to 600cc sport bikes, TMAX cant even touch them...0-100kph around 3 sec, top speed around 270kph...

[R_ain]

Ur Riding habit 90% of petrol consumption whereas the remaining 5% depends on your maintenance of your bike & 5% on petrol. The rest is up to ur belief. Trust the racing products racers used in track rather than myths ....

[gamerzdude]

Yesterday, due to my trip up north, ..my tank now has a mix of petronas Primax 97, Shell 97, and Shell V-power Racing. hahaha ...wonder what will happen with this ROJAK in my bike. I usually, try to deplete tank almost fully before filling up with a different type of fuel. But yesterday was touring.

[vtec88]

Check this out Guys!

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/235030-lt-CMO-gt-BROQUET-Fuel-Charger-%28UK%29-NEW-%28Torque-Top%29-DUAL-MODE-SELECTOR-Voltage-Stablize

 

[gamerzdude]

Does this product has any effect on maxi-scooters?

Secondly, there no way to insert into my tank, as there tank hole has a permanent criss cross design that prevents foreign objects from dropping into the fuel tank, it only allows liquid/petrol to go in.

 

Check this out Guys!

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/235030-lt-CMO-gt-BROQUET-Fuel-Charger-%28UK%29-NEW-%28Torque-Top%29-DUAL-MODE-SELECTOR-Voltage-Stablize

 

[gamerzdude]

Does this product has any effect on maxi-scooters?

Secondly, there no way to insert into my tank, as there tank hole has a permanent criss cross design that prevents foreign objects from dropping into the fuel tank, it only allows liquid/petrol to go in.

 

Check this out Guys!

 

http://www.singaporebikes.com/forums/showthread.php/235030-lt-CMO-gt-BROQUET-Fuel-Charger-%28UK%29-NEW-%28Torque-Top%29-DUAL-MODE-SELECTOR-Voltage-Stablize

 

[hachi]

Does this product has any effect on maxi-scooters?

Secondly, there no way to insert into my tank, as there tank hole has a permanent criss cross design that prevents foreign objects from dropping into the fuel tank, it only allows liquid/petrol to go in.

 

Used to have this 5 years ago. Did nothing to power and fuel consumption. One thing it does is the empty some money in ur pocket.

[byon]

Used to have this 5 years ago. Did nothing to power and fuel consumption. One thing it does is the empty some money in ur pocket.

It's like the myth of adding moth balls into your engine, whether it helps entirely its up to you. Follow what motorgp racers do on their bikes if you need performance.

 

The global moderators are not doing their job in stopping this fella from promoting his own business. We all have to do our own due diligence in filtering out which products are suitable for our own motor.

[tabung]

In Malaysia i prefer to pump Petronas.....better than shell... but in Singapore mostly 98 shell or esso mobil...once a while V power

[duriandan]

Hey guys, what's your experience with petrol? Any difference between brands and fuel octane?

 

A lot of times, i read about these on car forums, about how some brands are "dirty" and so on, but there has been no concrete evidence. Could all just me myths and marketing.

 

For me:

1. No difference between different brands of petrol.

2. Shell V-Power has a significant difference that can be felt in terms of my acceleration, pick-up speed, and the engine does not rattle so much when it is maxed out (throttle full).

3. Between 95 and 98 no difference. I never pump 92 as my owner's manual said minimum pump 95 octane.

 

What's your take?

 

Caltex makes me feel better.

Shell V-Power makes my bike go faster.

Esso makes my bike move, that's it...

[hachi]

It's like the myth of adding moth balls into your engine, whether it helps entirely its up to you. Follow what motorgp racers do on their bikes if you need performance.

 

The global moderators are not doing their job in stopping this fella from promoting his own business. We all have to do our own due diligence in filtering out which products are suitable for our own motor.

 

Fully agreed...IF this works...Why all car manufacturers dont use them in their engine...No need hybrid, electric, vvti, vtec, dsi , GDI and ect....Just throw this inside your fuel tank..Here you have power and better fuel consumption?