[cdc] 2b

[jbdoggy]

AhXian90,

 

Its ok. Kpkb all you want here. Im also guilty of the same thing. If not here, where else or who else to kpkb to? At least here hv people who can understand the woes! lol. Press on bro..... this is the home straight for you now. Jiayou...

 

Now my turn to kpkb.....1stly bike no 10 steering not aligned, so damn hard & uncomfortable to steer & gearbox jammed at the ramp. Luckily instructor allow to change bike. Then later a fellow learner ride alongside me instead of behind me so both of us kena f for dangerous riding. Consolation is for fig 8, hv personal best of 10.9sec but got let down because of slow cranked course. Other attempts are 11.5 & 11.2 secs. At least some improvement from 11.8sec. But also kena f 2-3 times cos my foot under the gear shifter. Instructor say its IF leh. The other consolation is received a chop for hill start. So now can just focus 100% on the 8 & cranked course.

 

Oh well, hope to get things right this thurs. Cranked course is another beastlah! But thanks much for the tip on starting behind the line. Really helped in picking up some speed in the 1st loop. The eyeline also helped in the time improvement, but still needs some work for consistency. Big kamsiah also to Jrcherish for eyeline tip.

[AhXian90]

yo haha yeah, ranting placing hehe:lol:. i think u failed becos u and the guy ride too close- dangerous, major mistake bah, cos crank course usually they give chance cos the timing is can make it de. I read somewhere in this thread for crank course(here got alot of good advise, pointers help me thru the practs), u can try after u check back left/right move into the crank, kick up at yellow line but dun throw ur clutch 1st, till u make the 1st right turn in crank,then u release clutch and can just roll off rest of the way. But best crank i seen is really is ur bike at the left when u right turn, vice versa, some peeps just do it very smooth lik its a curve course den crank lol, I saw on thurs those taking the instructor course. saw them sped thru the fig 8 then into crank 1 follow another damn awesome.

[jbdoggy]

yo haha yeah, ranting placing hehe:lol:. i think u failed becos u and the guy ride too close- dangerous, major mistake bah, cos crank course usually they give chance cos the timing is can make it de. I read somewhere in this thread for crank course(here got alot of good advise, pointers help me thru the practs), u can try after u check back left/right move into the crank, kick up at yellow line but dun throw ur clutch 1st, till u make the 1st right turn in crank,then u release clutch and can just roll off rest of the way. But best crank i seen is really is ur bike at the left when u right turn, vice versa, some peeps just do it very smooth lik its a curve course den crank lol, I saw on thurs those taking the instructor course. saw them sped thru the fig 8 then into crank 1 follow another damn awesome.

 

Of course its dangerous! Any experienced cyclist can tell you riding side by side is serious no no. Its like this - U know the straight road from fig 8 to ramp? Theres a traffic light junction there right? From L2, we know that lane we need to queue up in 1 line, but for some strange reason, maybe becos too many of us learners, so instructor tell us to queue up in pairs instead. So we were the 1st pair at red light. I was on the left side. So when light turned green, rightly or wrongly i assumed i had right of way since the ramp is on our left side & im on the side closest to it. But both of us started off together & all the while i was feeling awkward with the person keeping up with me instead of overtaking me or slowing down behind me. So when we reached the ramp at the same time, both of us kenalah. Then the situation repeated itself with another learner at the traffic lights, but this time I held back & let him go 1st. But im not blaming the other learner & I accept part of the blame myself, I should have just slowed down & let him overtake. Perhaps I should have communicated with the person before the lights changed instead of assuming.

 

Anyway, to the learner who rode beside me today, if you happen to be reading this, Im sorry.

Edited October 7, 2014 by jbdoggy

[jbdoggy]

Been reading thro this thread up to pg 34 liao. I must also thank @rijac very much for all his efforts in typing out the lesson outlines, advice & uploading maps to such detail. Very useful. Ive stored all this info in my word processor for my lesson preparation.

[woshiwoshi]

Alright. Good luck to ppl who is taking tp this morning ^_^

[AhXian90]

woo... I passed my TP..over the moon liao:lol:, many thanks to the peeps for all the advice posted in here, helped me a long way:bow:. what a nerve wrecking day, dont think i will be forgetting the feeling from where u wait for ur turn to ride(think of wad not to commit etc) till u wait for result in the room and number being called out,(u will like pray hard not to be urs, and ask if that was ur number being called, me and my friend actually thot we heard my number called out:sweat:)I realised my mistake was all super heng ar lol,i was prob 1s from beating an flickering green arrow at the first junction it starts to flicks when my front touch the stop line. Now all there is left; tomorrow expressway joyride to finish the 2b journey.

 

Alright. Good luck to ppl who is taking tp this morning ^_^

 

bro was urs today as well? i hoped u passed if u took today.

[jbdoggy]

AhXian90,

 

Wah! Congrats man! So happy for you!

 

Now can spread your wings & fly liao. Dont hv to kpkb anymore! lol But hor... when suffering is great, it is then that victory is all the sweeter!

[Astroo]

Hey Guys roughly how much did u speed to get your 2B licence?Thx

[AhXian90]

AhXian90,

 

Wah! Congrats man! So happy for you!

 

Now can spread your wings & fly liao. Dont hv to kpkb anymore! lol But hor... when suffering is great, it is then that victory is all the sweeter!

 

Cannot fly larh, ned to ride safe hahah thanks bro! yeah, sure feels good after u noe u pass liao, sort of relief too all ur money invested lol, almost lik endless pit.

 

Hey Guys roughly how much did u speed to get your 2B licence?Thx

 

I spent quite alot sia, roughly 1.2k so far maybe more if include enrolment, I kinda overkill on my revision lol, but my number of failed lesson is also alot(per lesson is lik 30~dollars)

actually some people spend 800-1000~ dollar is the best guess ar, like some of my friends, but must depend on ur progression on lessons, and no.of revision u go for. If slow learner = my amt is the benchmark.

[Br58son]

I actually saw this new model in a jap mag before i got my specIIIhttp://zz.avedcomputer.com/7.jpghttp://zz.avedcomputer.com/9.jpghttp://zz.avedcomputer.com/8.jpghttp://zz.avedcomputer.com/10.jpg

[nsr1980]

Yes Happy for you passed 2B first time, me too same feeling nervous right when your turn to perform and the worst part is waiting, hopefully TP tester wont call out your number ...ekeke

 

Go Bro buy a 2B motor...

 

woo... I passed my TP..over the moon liao:lol:, many thanks to the peeps for all the advice posted in here, helped me a long way:bow:. what a nerve wrecking day, dont think i will be forgetting the feeling from where u wait for ur turn to ride(think of wad not to commit etc) till u wait for result in the room and number being called out,(u will like pray hard not to be urs, and ask if that was ur number being called, me and my friend actually thot we heard my number called out:sweat:)I realised my mistake was all super heng ar lol,i was prob 1s from beating an flickering green arrow at the first junction it starts to flicks when my front touch the stop line. Now all there is left; tomorrow expressway joyride to finish the 2b journey.

 

 

 

bro was urs today as well? i hoped u passed if u took today.

[jbdoggy]

Damn screwed up day today. Made a complete idiot of myself at the fig 8. Worse than beginner. 1stly fell down for the 1st time in my life at the cranked course & ruined the bike's steering. Changed bike & wasnt at all comfortable with its handling. The throttle response was jerky that it resulted in me understeering all the time - hit kerbs, going of course etc. I dunno, when i turn on the throttle, the bike gives a small jerk => results in the bike going a little left or right, so that ruins the steering line. So a lot of the time spent making steering corrections. God only knows how I did the 10.9secs or the under 12 secs in the previous lesson(s).

 

Has any of you experienced jerky throttle responses before or was it just my own fault & bad technique?? Form cant possibly drop to 0 suddenly right?

[darkredmica]

Damn screwed up day today. Made a complete idiot of myself at the fig 8. Worse than beginner. 1stly fell down for the 1st time in my life at the cranked course & ruined the bike's steering. Changed bike & wasnt at all comfortable with its handling. The throttle response was jerky that it resulted in me understeering all the time - hit kerbs, going of course etc. I dunno, when i turn on the throttle, the bike gives a small jerk => results in the bike going a little left or right, so that ruins the steering line. So a lot of the time spent making steering corrections. God only knows how I did the 10.9secs or the under 12 secs in the previous lesson(s).

 

Has any of you experienced jerky throttle responses before or was it just my own fault & bad technique?? Form cant possibly drop to 0 suddenly right?

Ive had bad days off and on during 2B too. Suffering at 2A now. Suffering damn badly.

[nsr1980]

eyes look far, constant throttle maintain with half clutch technique, lean with bike confident with grip tank firmly.

[AhXian90]

Yes Happy for you passed 2B first time, me too same feeling nervous right when your turn to perform and the worst part is waiting, hopefully TP tester wont call out your number ...ekeke

 

Go Bro buy a 2B motor...

 

Haha thanks man! Super nerve wrecking lor heh! Im thinking of getting 2b bike, friends telling me not to rush into buying cos im leaning towards hmm krr or sp, 2T ar (wanna try before their re gone) but also becos after efr, the sch bike after 70km/hr hard to climb up ,very shag liao. Ned to know more about 2t lei, i not really a bike siao, technical parts to me is a mystery :X jialat

 

Damn screwed up day today. Made a complete idiot of myself at the fig 8. Worse than beginner. 1stly fell down for the 1st time in my life at the cranked course & ruined the bike's steering. Changed bike & wasnt at all comfortable with its handling. The throttle response was jerky that it resulted in me understeering all the time - hit kerbs, going of course etc. I dunno, when i turn on the throttle, the bike gives a small jerk => results in the bike going a little left or right, so that ruins the steering line. So a lot of the time spent making steering corrections. God only knows how I did the 10.9secs or the under 12 secs in the previous lesson(s).

 

Has any of you experienced jerky throttle responses before or was it just my own fault & bad technique?? Form cant possibly drop to 0 suddenly right?

 

Bro some days is just likdat, u go after work u be shag too, underperformed is normal, ur consistency will come in when u do ur Circuit rev.

 

Ive had bad days off and on during 2B too. Suffering at 2A now. Suffering damn badly.

 

Jiayou sis, ur 2A bike at home is waiting for u lol:lol:

[jbdoggy]

eyes look far, constant throttle maintain with half clutch technique, lean with bike confident with grip tank firmly.

 

You mean can actually do this meh?? At the hill start, instructor f me just for having finger pads resting on the clutch lever, even tho my clutch was fully released but he insisted I did not release my clutch fully. Another guy while doing the fig 8 was fully declutched & instructor shouted at him to release clutch fully.

 

If it is indeed possible, then I will treat the 2nd gear just like as if it is 1st gear - after engaging 2nd gear, release to half clutch, add throttle input & then fully release clutch when the bike starts to accelerate. This minimises the jerking/lurching. Same trick when driving some cars which jerks/lurches upon clutch release after engaging 2nd gear.

 

Can maintain 2nd gear & half clutch throughout cranked course??

[JrCherish]

You mean can actually do this meh?? At the hill start, instructor f me just for having finger pads resting on the clutch lever, even tho my clutch was fully released but he insisted I did not release my clutch fully. Another guy while doing the fig 8 was fully declutched & instructor shouted at him to release clutch fully.

 

If it is indeed possible, then I will treat the 2nd gear just like as if it is 1st gear - after engaging 2nd gear, release to half clutch, add throttle input & then fully release clutch when the bike starts to accelerate. This minimises the jerking/lurching. Same trick when driving some cars which jerks/lurches upon clutch release after engaging 2nd gear.

 

Can maintain 2nd gear & half clutch throughout cranked course??

 

for crank course can, for 2a. 2b, i wont dare to give a confirm answer. as for fig 8! just throttle hard and release gear 1 and go in and fast change to 2 which.. rpm wont make the bike wobble.. then maintain throttle!! dont OFF and ON throttle.. you will feel like riding a horse.. too fast? jam or step hard! step!! not press!! rear brake!! why rear brake? cause your right hand alr very busy on controlling the throttle! please dont bother him!! =D

[jbdoggy]

Haha thanks man! Super nerve wrecking lor heh! Im thinking of getting 2b bike, friends telling me not to rush into buying cos im leaning towards hmm krr or sp, 2T ar (wanna try before their re gone) but also becos after efr, the sch bike after 70km/hr hard to climb up ,very shag liao. Ned to know more about 2t lei, i not really a bike siao, technical parts to me is a mystery :X jialat

 

Im familiar with 2T & 4t engines. But this clip will explain it better than me & saves me from a lot of technical typing:

 

Given 2T engines has 1 power stroke for every 2 strokes & 4T engine has 1 power stroke for every 4 strokes, effectively the 2T bike will have greater acceleration & power compared to 4T of same cc. Very song! 2T bikes are sprinters but does not have endurance. So if say you wanna ride to KL you also need to do 1-2 stops for the bike to 'rest'. 4T on the other hand has more endurance, but abt half the acceleration. Same cc 4T need less breaks than 2T if riding to KL.

 

Down side to 2T is tend to be very loud & noisy. Some good bikes will have a high pitched whine, shiok! while others will be quite jarring to the ears. The best sounding 2T bike so far ive heard is the rxz. Some sp bikes sound ok but there are some are damn damn jarring & painful to the ears. Not sure if its because they modified the exhaust or bike not well maintained. Also not sure if still need to mix 2T oil with petrol or not. My knowledge very old school!! lol

 

Bro some days is just likdat, u go after work u be shag too, underperformed is normal, ur consistency will come in when u do ur Circuit rev.

 

I sure hope youre right bro! Nearly every attempt that day running out of the kerbs after turning at 1st quadrant of the 8 (the very spot i engage 2nd gear) after entry. damn bloody pai seh. once running out of the fig 8 circuit also have. 1st timers also did waaay better than me. Much worse than my 1st ever fig 8 try. Bike lurched/jerked or 'jumped' every time input throttle after change 2nd gear, upset every damn thing. once i tried with less speed & was going on the lean, i gave very slight throttle input, the bike 'jumped' again causing rear tyre to slide sideways a bit - so now tiny bit of motocross experience I also have lol. instructor insist its my lack of skill rather than bike problem & even took me pillion to prove it!! But my previous old bike no 22 wasnt like that at all - so smooth & easy to ride. My best times all on that bike lah.

 

Anyway confidence is 0 & filled with self doubt liao. Lets see what happens nxt tues. I booked 830am & 1245pm (5th & 6th attempts). want to quickly put an end to my misery lol.

 

@darkredmica - last tues 425pm slot, there was a female 2a learner also queueing up to do the 8. Positioned next to me, small built, dressed all in light pink. She seemed to struggle a bit with the 8. Was that you??

[darkredmica]

Im familiar with 2T & 4t engines. But this clip will explain it better than me & saves me from a lot of technical typing:

 

Given 2T engines has 1 power stroke for every 2 strokes & 4T engine has 1 power stroke for every 4 strokes, effectively the 2T bike will have greater acceleration & power compared to 4T of same cc. Very song! 2T bikes are sprinters but does not have endurance. So if say you wanna ride to KL you also need to do 1-2 stops for the bike to 'rest'. 4T on the other hand has more endurance, but abt half the acceleration. Same cc 4T need less breaks than 2T if riding to KL.

 

Down side to 2T is tend to be very loud & noisy. Some good bikes will have a high pitched whine, shiok! while others will be quite jarring to the ears. The best sounding 2T bike so far ive heard is the rxz. Some sp bikes sound ok but there are some are damn damn jarring & painful to the ears. Not sure if its because they modified the exhaust or bike not well maintained. Also not sure if still need to mix 2T oil with petrol or not. My knowledge very old school!! lol

 

 

 

I sure hope youre right bro! Nearly every attempt that day running out of the kerbs after turning at 1st quadrant of the 8 (the very spot i engage 2nd gear) after entry. damn bloody pai seh. once running out of the fig 8 circuit also have. 1st timers also did waaay better than me. Much worse than my 1st ever fig 8 try. Bike lurched/jerked or 'jumped' every time input throttle after change 2nd gear, upset every damn thing. once i tried with less speed & was going on the lean, i gave very slight throttle input, the bike 'jumped' again causing rear tyre to slide sideways a bit - so now tiny bit of motocross experience I also have lol. instructor insist its my lack of skill rather than bike problem & even took me pillion to prove it!! But my previous old bike no 22 wasnt like that at all - so smooth & easy to ride. My best times all on that bike lah.

 

Anyway confidence is 0 & filled with self doubt liao. Lets see what happens nxt tues. I booked 830am & 1245pm (5th & 6th attempts). want to quickly put an end to my misery lol.

 

@darkredmica - last tues 425pm slot, there was a female 2a learner also queueing up to do the 8. Positioned next to me, small built, dressed all in light pink. She seemed to struggle a bit with the 8. Was that you??

Nope. Not me.

[jbdoggy]

for crank course can, for 2a. 2b, i wont dare to give a confirm answer. as for fig 8! just throttle hard and release gear 1 and go in and fast change to 2 which.. rpm wont make the bike wobble.. then maintain throttle!! dont OFF and ON throttle.. you will feel like riding a horse.. too fast? jam or step hard! step!! not press!! rear brake!! why rear brake? cause your right hand alr very busy on controlling the throttle! please dont bother him!! =D

 

I just saw your post after i posted mine. You mean as in change to gear 2 w/o clutching?? As in what those sportsbike & motogp riders do? Preload gearshifter with your left foot, quickly off the throttle & flip up the gear shifter at the same time & throttle back on - all split second operation. This process is called quickshifting. Supposedly to make acceleration of the bike faster & smoother.

 

"You will feel like riding a horse"- Ah! thats probably the most accurate description. I start abt 2 feet away from start line, accelerate hard in 1st gear to 1st circle quadrant (the 1st cone you see), change gear 2, the moment i throttle on after the shift, thats when the trouble starts - at least for that particular bike. Old bike no 22 was very slight, hence didnt upset anything.

[GGfied]

I just went for 2 prac 1 which I'm currently at gear 5 & that turning thingy in the mini circuit. How many more parts will there be before prac 2 ?

 

Lessons at CDC is hard to book right ? close to 2 weeks before having slots..

[flyingcow]

I just saw your post after i posted mine. You mean as in change to gear 2 w/o clutching?? As in what those sportsbike & motogp riders do? Preload gearshifter with your left foot, quickly off the throttle & flip up the gear shifter at the same time & throttle back on - all split second operation. This process is called quickshifting. Supposedly to make acceleration of the bike faster & smoother.

 

"You will feel like riding a horse"- Ah! thats probably the most accurate description. I start abt 2 feet away from start line, accelerate hard in 1st gear to 1st circle quadrant (the 1st cone you see), change gear 2, the moment i throttle on after the shift, thats when the trouble starts - at least for that particular bike. Old bike no 22 was very slight, hence didnt upset anything.

 

i usually try to change gear as fast as possible. once bike move, clutch in, kick up gear, cancel signal, throttle. then just maintain focus on eyeline and lean and step rear brake.

 

i think clutchless gear change is not something school/tp will favour, although it's smoother

[flyingcow]

I just went for 2 prac 1 which I'm currently at gear 5 & that turning thingy in the mini circuit. How many more parts will there be before prac 2 ?

 

Lessons at CDC is hard to book right ? close to 2 weeks before having slots..

 

prac 1 came in two parts for me. the training record book 1,2,3,4 was split into 1,2 and 3,4. once you pass all can go on prac 2

 

book more than 1 session for each prac. cancel them after when you pass. or else camp everyday for those that cancel.

[AhXian90]

Im familiar with 2T & 4t engines. But this clip will explain it better than me & saves me from a lot of technical typing:

 

Given 2T engines has 1 power stroke for every 2 strokes & 4T engine has 1 power stroke for every 4 strokes, effectively the 2T bike will have greater acceleration & power compared to 4T of same cc. Very song! 2T bikes are sprinters but does not have endurance. So if say you wanna ride to KL you also need to do 1-2 stops for the bike to 'rest'. 4T on the other hand has more endurance, but abt half the acceleration. Same cc 4T need less breaks than 2T if riding to KL.

 

Down side to 2T is tend to be very loud & noisy. Some good bikes will have a high pitched whine, shiok! while others will be quite jarring to the ears. The best sounding 2T bike so far ive heard is the rxz. Some sp bikes sound ok but there are some are damn damn jarring & painful to the ears. Not sure if its because they modified the exhaust or bike not well maintained. Also not sure if still need to mix 2T oil with petrol or not. My knowledge very old school!! lol

 

Thanks for the input bro! i sure got alot to research on, yeah 2t is good for pickup, hopefully i will not be a speed devil on the road, just wan a good pick up bike while cruising highway and the coe is too crazy now even for used bike, hopefully i can find a decent deal from shops.

 

I sure hope youre right bro! Nearly every attempt that day running out of the kerbs after turning at 1st quadrant of the 8 (the very spot i engage 2nd gear) after entry. damn bloody pai seh. once running out of the fig 8 circuit also have. 1st timers also did waaay better than me. Much worse than my 1st ever fig 8 try. Bike lurched/jerked or 'jumped' every time input throttle after change 2nd gear, upset every damn thing. once i tried with less speed & was going on the lean, i gave very slight throttle input, the bike 'jumped' again causing rear tyre to slide sideways a bit - so now tiny bit of motocross experience I also have lol. instructor insist its my lack of skill rather than bike problem & even took me pillion to prove it!! But my previous old bike no 22 wasnt like that at all - so smooth & easy to ride. My best times all on that bike lah.

 

Anyway confidence is 0 & filled with self doubt liao. Lets see what happens nxt tues. I booked 830am & 1245pm (5th & 6th attempts). want to quickly put an end to my misery lol.

 

 

haha dun give up, i was in ur exact shoe , 6 lesson 3, but regards to the throttle, i do use the on and off(im sure alot people do diff), instead of just on/off is more of roll ur throttle thru, but i will roll off throttle a little enuf to straighten ur bike for 2nd corner(right) and open throttle back. Where else the part u said once u shift gear u would go off kurb, well u might heard'' shift up before attack a corner" that kind of saying, i believed u might have shifted gear too late; its good that a instructor pillon u lol really,nvr had a chance in all 6 lesson3, cos my prob is i do not dare to lean my body:mad:,(a frend told me on my 6th attempt, that last time he was pillon by instructor last time and learnt how to lean) but leaning(with enuf speed) will help in the stability of the bike as u turn and ur speed in fig 8,(only managed to scraped the ground one time so far lol dont try to during test( its IF, once u scrape:sweat:).

 

Okay, this is wad i do in my fig 8, start line move off, shift gear as i pass the starting kurb, cancel signal(how u plan ur routine is impt so ur brain will be free to think(panic control) of how u do during ur fig8,whether u cancel signal or shift gear), roll on ur throttle(stepping on rear brake now and thru out) change eyeline to the mid section and lean left, roll off alittle(too much u feel lik horseback liao) throttle straighten my bike,change eyeline and lean in right, almost exiting the 8 pull clutch look at the stop line and brake.(this to prevent wide turn after) try google "twist of the wrist", an video documetary, i watch some of it during my frustrated period at L3 learnt some stuff.

 

I'm sure other people has diff input haha , pls dun flame me XD and:offtopic: a friend of my cleared his lesson 3 recently, fig8 wif 7.8s o.0......shocking record, talented lor, dunno how did he pulled it off ar lol.

 

BTW:btw: regarding the ''instructor say let go of clutch fully,they meant by fingers off the clutch level and on the grip." i was told alot of times, on slope and other course, if u dont put ur fingers on the grip, they dun see u as letting go of clutch fully(e.g slope, as they would think that u re in gear 1- half clutch, if in fig8 ur doing in wrong gear)

[AhXian90]

I just went for 2 prac 1 which I'm currently at gear 5 & that turning thingy in the mini circuit. How many more parts will there be before prac 2 ?

 

Lessons at CDC is hard to book right ? close to 2 weeks before having slots..

 

Errr u only left the part on the where they ask u to make a S-turn inside the small circuit where u started from, that would be de last part, so in short pract 1, is 1)biting pt, 2) gear change 1-3, 3)then gear change 5-3 and short dist braking and 4)the sharp turning S- course.

Lesson lik all had said, book a few if u can, 2 days apart so u can cancel in time. Some camping on ur hp too

 

 

i usually try to change gear as fast as possible. once bike move, clutch in, kick up gear, cancel signal, throttle. then just maintain focus on eyeline and lean and step rear brake.

 

i think clutchless gear change is not something school/tp will favour, although it's smoother

 

haha nvr tried before lei , sch bike gear quite hard to kick without clutch in.

Edited October 11, 2014 by AhXian90