[cdc] 2b

[Stealth123]

Congrats Stealth123 on passing ur TP

 

One thing that took me by surprise is that there may not be enough EFR sessions for everyone that passed that day. About 30 passed and only 12 could go on EFR later that afternoon. The rest had to take sessions tomorrow. There were some scrambling to get leave for those who could not secure EFR on the same day

[jbdoggy]

woo hoo... :) :)

Passed TP today! :D

 

Well done mate!

 

Now, go get yourself a bike & enjoy yourself! Ride safe!

[Stealth123]

Well done mate!

 

Now, go get yourself a bike & enjoy yourself! Ride safe!

 

:) looking forward to it. Thanks to those who advised along the way - I truly benefited from guidance here!!

 

 

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[chriszzz]

Some things never change. The same thing happened when I got my 2B last year. In my case, the next few EFR sessions were filled up too and I had to take it 1 week later, which pissed me off because it meant I had to wait another week to get my license. Not sure why they could not simply allocate enough places for everyone who passed.

 

 

One thing that took me by surprise is that there may not be enough EFR sessions for everyone that passed that day. About 30 passed and only 12 could go on EFR later that afternoon. The rest had to take sessions tomorrow. There were some scrambling to get leave for those who could not secure EFR on the same day

[jbdoggy]

Some things never change. The same thing happened when I got my 2B last year. In my case, the next few EFR sessions were filled up too and I had to take it 1 week later, which pissed me off because it meant I had to wait another week to get my license. Not sure why they could not simply allocate enough places for everyone who passed.

 

Maybe its 1 or more of the following:

 

1) Bike limitation - abt 50 bikes in total. 2-3 different lessons being conducted each time slot each with 7-10 learners + 1 cr session with 7-10 learners. So that leaves abt 10 or so bikes for efr.

 

2)Manpower - 1 efr session would already involve 4 instructors. L1 involves 3, L2 = 3-4, L3=1-2, L4 =1, L7= 2-3. So depending on what combination of lessons are being carried out at that time slot & with a fixed number of instructors each time....

 

3)Business - efr is FOC, lessons & revision generate income. Wouldnt the sch place more priority on income?

 

4)No of bike learners - on the rise. So need to schedule as many lessons as possible to accomodate them. Those already passed test, abt 30-40, less of a priority lah. If can tk time off or tk leave from work to either attend lessons, last minute revisions or test, surely can do the same for efr.

[Old2wheeler]

Maybe its 1 or more of the following:

 

3)Business - efr is FOC, lessons & revision generate income. Wouldnt the sch place more priority on income?

 

Wow! EFR is FOC at CDC?

 

Have to pay at SSDC.

[Stealth123]

Wow! EFR is FOC at CDC?

 

Have to pay at SSDC.

 

Ya.. First EFR is free...

 

 

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[Old2wheeler]

Ya.. First EFR is free...

 

 

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Huh? Got 2nd EFR? For what?

[Stealth123]

Maybe its 1 or more of the following:

 

1) Bike limitation - abt 50 bikes in total. 2-3 different lessons being conducted each time slot each with 7-10 learners + 1 cr session with 7-10 learners. So that leaves abt 10 or so bikes for efr.

 

2)Manpower - 1 efr session would already involve 4 instructors. L1 involves 3, L2 = 3-4, L3=1-2, L4 =1, L7= 2-3. So depending on what combination of lessons are being carried out at that time slot & with a fixed number of instructors each time....

 

3)Business - efr is FOC, lessons & revision generate income. Wouldnt the sch place more priority on income?

 

4)No of bike learners - on the rise. So need to schedule as many lessons as possible to accomodate them. Those already passed test, abt 30-40, less of a priority lah. If can tk time off or tk leave from work to either attend lessons, last minute revisions or test, surely can do the same for efr.

 

On my test date, there were only a handful of instructors - about 4? Even after the test ended around 11ish, it was also quite quiet. Later when I went back for EFR - only had 2 students on circuit revision...

 

Think it's more a instructor capacity thing that CDC can only do 12 students per EFR.

 

 

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[Stealth123]

Huh? Got 2nd EFR? For what?

 

in case u cannot make the session u booked..,, then next one must pay..

 

 

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[rijac]

Or if you fail your efr lesson.

[dineze]

How do you fail an efr lesson though? No red lights to beat, stop lines to stop, speed limit is about the max the bike can go anyway, lol.

 

Edit: Unless you suay bang into another vehicle otr?

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[hushpuppy]

Bad day for me, fell at ebrake during revision, almost fell during L5 also, immediate failure. Rode in rain for 2hrs. Hope other bro had better luck.

 

Thanks to the uber cool 2A girl who helped me out after seeing me struggle to start the bike. You should be taking TP soon I guess, good luck. Also met a fellow bro who gave me great tips abt tackling lesson 5.

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[jbdoggy]

How do you fail an efr lesson though? No red lights to beat, stop lines to stop, speed limit is about the max the bike can go anyway, lol.

 

Edit: Unless you suay bang into another vehicle otr?

 

If we ride the way we do during our test & road lessons, practically impossible to fail. The only way to fail is if we choose to ride like mad men. Ya, there are still red lights & stop lines all abt those smaller roads leading to the expressways. Violate rules there & its a reason to fail i think.

[jbdoggy]

Bad day for me, fell at ebrake during revision, almost fell during L5 also, immediate failure. Rode in rain for 2hrs. Hope other bro had better luck.

 

Thanks to the uber cool 2A girl who helped me out after seeing me struggle to start the bike. You should be taking TP soon I guess, good luck. Also met a fellow bro who gave me great tips abt tackling lesson 5.

 

Ebrake - dun grab the front brake. Front wheel lock up, you'll slide & fall sideways. Dun jam rear brake, locked rear wheel will cause you to fishtail - your rear end will slide left & right.

 

Brake hard but smooth. gradually increasing pressure. Dunno whether true or not, but I found the stretched arms & eyes looking forward help with the smoothness. 70% front brake, 30% rear brake

 

Be confident & committed thro-out the process. Any last minute doubt or uncertainty will affect your braking quality. Happened to me during morning revision. It rained heavily the nite before so braking box still a bit flooded. Last min had a moment of uncertainty, jammed brakes & fell.

 

During sessions during rain or just after rain, dont go too fast. Flooded box means very easy to lose traction if you over brake. You might still get away with it during dry weather, but dun play play when its 'flooded'. Fell once during L5 immediately after rain. During such wet periods even at 30km/h I can fish tail like crazy.

 

I was lucky I escaped very lightly during my 2 falls - probly cos i lost traction when most of my speed had already been dissipated. Others werent so lucky - abrasions worse then mine, dislocations, fractures. I think their bike gave very early during the braking process for that to happen - when still high in momentum.

 

Please be careful, most esp when its wet.

[hushpuppy]

Thanks bro. Ya, I suspect I brake too abruptly.never had this issue on dry days, it's a first for me.

 

Ebrake - dun grab the front brake. Front wheel lock up, you'll slide & fall sideways. Dun jam rear brake, locked rear wheel will cause you to fishtail - your rear end will slide left & right.

 

Brake hard but smooth. gradually increasing pressure. Dunno whether true or not, but I found the stretched arms & eyes looking forward help with the smoothness. 70% front brake, 30% rear brake

 

Be confident & committed thro-out the process. Any last minute doubt or uncertainty will affect your braking quality. Happened to me during morning revision. It rained heavily the nite before so braking box still a bit flooded. Last min had a moment of uncertainty, jammed brakes & fell.

 

During sessions during rain or just after rain, dont go too fast. Flooded box means very easy to lose traction if you over brake. You might still get away with it during dry weather, but dun play play when its 'flooded'. Fell once during L5 immediately after rain. During such wet periods even at 30km/h I can fish tail like crazy.

 

I was lucky I escaped very lightly during my 2 falls - probly cos i lost traction when most of my speed had already been dissipated. Others werent so lucky - abrasions worse then mine, dislocations, fractures. I think their bike gave very early during the braking process for that to happen - when still high in momentum.

 

Please be careful, most esp when its wet.

[rijac]

How do you fail an efr lesson though? No red lights to beat, stop lines to stop, speed limit is about the max the bike can go anyway, lol.

 

Edit: Unless you suay bang into another vehicle otr?

I'm joking

[rijac]

Take note that during TP ebrake station will be wet

[Stealth123]

Take note that during TP ebrake station will be wet

 

Depends also if it's a hot day... During my tp, water in the brake station evaporated quite a bit

[chriszzz]

Isn't it always wet? The instructors usually make it a point to walk over and turn the water on.

 

Take note that during TP ebrake station will be wet

[chriszzz]

Apart from not grabbing the brake, also remember to always look straight ahead. Don't look down at the stop line or the cones. You will easily lose your balance when you look down.

 

Squeeze/step the brake firmly but not suddenly. There should be a short time gap from the time you start squeezing the brake handle/pedal, and the time the brake is completely engaged.

 

When stopping, look up straight but you can still see the stopline/cone with your peripheral vision. If you think you are going to exceed the stop line (Immediate failure), you can squeeze down harder on the brakes, but it should not be necessary. At 30-35km/h, there's plenty of space to stop so you don't really have to worry about hitting the stop line.

 

 

Thanks bro. Ya, I suspect I brake too abruptly.never had this issue on dry days, it's a first for me.

[chriszzz]

Eh, no, there's no way to actually fail the EFR. You have already passed the test, and there's no TP around to fail you. The instructors will bring you around but they have no authority to fail you unless you did something really blatantly illegal and they report you to the TP with proof, which is highly unlikely.

 

BTW, when you are done with EFR and sit around waiting for the final letter that indicates you have passed and completed the EFR, the instructors like to trick you with the same "you may fail the EFR" routine, which I'm sure they do with every batch of students.

 

 

 

 

 

If we ride the way we do during our test & road lessons, practically impossible to fail. The only way to fail is if we choose to ride like mad men. Ya, there are still red lights & stop lines all abt those smaller roads leading to the expressways. Violate rules there & its a reason to fail i think.

[Stealth123]

Eh, no, there's no way to actually fail the EFR. You have already passed the test, and there's no TP around to fail you. The instructors will bring you around but they have no authority to fail you unless you did something really blatantly illegal and they report you to the TP with proof, which is highly unlikely.

 

BTW, when you are done with EFR and sit around waiting for the final letter that indicates you have passed and completed the EFR, the instructors like to trick you with the same "you may fail the EFR" routine, which I'm sure they do with every batch of students.

 

Heh heh! You're right!! They did that on my batch too

 

 

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[Stealth123]

Btw, does anyone know where I can get the P plate stickers?

 

 

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[rijac]

Isn't it always wet? The instructors usually make it a point to walk over and turn the water on.

Yes but usually is first thing in the morning so can be wetter than usual