Auto Scooter Licence

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

My mother gave up her riding licence long time ago.

 

Went and retake it some time back but gave up again cos she was unable to lift up the newer motorcycles.

 

Can it be possible to allow for Auto Scooter Licence like an Auto Car Licence?

[Tyrian]

in my opinion, why not?

 

since they allow car auto licence, i dun see a reason why they dun allow m'cycle auto licence..

[nhyone]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Jan 18 2005, 02:23 PM

Went and retake it some time back but gave up again cos she was unable to lift up the newer motorcycles.

Class 2B don't need to lift up bike as part of the test what.

 

First lesson yes, but cannot also never mind.

[Keynes]

Good, I welome the idea of Autobike licence, although I have class 2 liao.

 

But hor, be careful, how to do pylon salom, bumpy course?? I thk very difficult leh, narrow plank to stay long on the plank also a challenge leh(cannot clutch in, only can use brakes to slow down).......

 

Anyway, if it implement, the instructors shd teach us how to do.

[sheep]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Jan 18 2005, 02:23 PM

My mother gave up her riding licence long time ago.

 

Went and retake it some time back but gave up again cos she was unable to lift up the newer motorcycles.

 

Can it be possible to allow for Auto Scooter Licence like an Auto Car Licence?

i think its a waste of money and time. lessons will be more expensive

Instructors at school were telling me that its a mistake for youngsters to learn autocars.

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by Keynes@Feb 17 2005, 12:09 PM

But hor, be careful, how to do pylon salom, bumpy course?? I thk very difficult leh, narrow plank to stay long on the plank also a challenge leh(cannot clutch in, only can use brakes to slow down).......

 

Anyway, if it implement, the instructors shd teach us how to do.

It can be done.

 

Even though it was easier using bikes with clutches and gears.

 

Pylon, figure 8 and plank can be achieved with auto scoots.

 

Took me sometime to get use to it. But it was quite a no-brainer course I did recently.

 

Would have loved to do a see-saw plank with the auto scoots but my instructors was worried we will fall and get hurt instead.

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by nhyone@Feb 16 2005, 09:51 PM

Class 2B don't need to lift up bike as part of the test what.

 

First lesson yes, but cannot also never mind.

I think her grumble was that the newer bikes more heavier and powerful.

 

She scared she fall and couldnt lift up bike from her legs or something.

[standlee]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Feb 17 2005, 11:30 PM

I think her grumble was that the newer bikes more heavier and powerful.

 

She scared she fall and couldnt lift up bike from her legs or something.

i seriously tink we have enuff of classes oredi. i always felt tat 2b, 2a, 2 r totally unecessary. 2b shld be 400. if there's one for auto scooter, there ll probably another one 4 scram & e likes...

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by standlee@Feb 18 2005, 04:23 AM

i seriously tink we have enuff of classes oredi. i always felt tat 2b, 2a, 2 r totally unecessary. 2b shld be 400. if there's one for auto scooter, there ll probably another one 4 scram & e likes...

But for scrams and the likes, we are still using gears.

 

For scoots, its a totally different experience from gears.

[mechwira]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Feb 17 2005, 11:30 PM

I think her grumble was that the newer bikes more heavier and powerful.

 

She scared she fall and couldnt lift up bike from her legs or something.

pardon me, but i think such a fear then shouldn get on bikes at all. is a scoot that very much lighter than yamaha ybr125 or honda cg125 titan? i think such a fear on conventional 2b bikes would apply to both normal 2b as well as scoots

 

most ppl shd have no prob with weight of 2b bike, dats why no 'lift-up' test like class 2. but if got such fear or inability then shdn ride.

 

not that i look down on ur mom, i'm being practical. if ur mum scared confuse the gears or something then mebbe got issue to have auto class2b license; but weight?

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by mechwira@Feb 20 2005, 01:38 AM

not that i look down on ur mom, i'm being practical. if ur mum scared confuse the gears or something then mebbe got issue to have auto class2b license; but weight?

No, I didnt say anything about her wanting a auto scoot licence becos of the gears.

 

Her concern is still with the weight and power of the bike.

 

BTW, she is 54 years old this year.

 

So her time when she was riding, there was maybe just old Vespa and old light weight models of bikes roughly 75 cc?

 

SHe had no problem with vespa's hand gears.

[nhyone]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Feb 17 2005, 11:30 PM

I think her grumble was that the newer bikes more heavier and powerful.

125cc is not really very powerful. (I've had problems reaching 70 km/h on the road lesson!) The bike weighs 110 kg to 120 kg. You won't feel the weight as long as the bike is upright!

 

She scared she fall and couldnt lift up bike from her legs or something.

No worries.

 

One, there are wide crash bars, so your legs won't get trapped by the bike. Guess how I know.

 

Two, guy or gal, the instructors will help you lift the bike up. (Just not in the first lesson.)

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

I know......

 

I went thru that course before.

 

But seriously. I would really appreciate her getting a licence and riding on her own.

 

And experiences on some auto scoot tells me its so simple! No need to worry about gears, just twist throttle and go.

 

Brake also so easy. And as long as she is scared, there is no worry about her speeding, weaving in and out of traffic and getting seriously hurt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am starting to sound like a typical parent?

[mechwira]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Feb 20 2005, 11:44 AM

And experiences on some auto scoot tells me its so simple! No need to worry about gears, just twist throttle and go.

 

Brake also so easy. And as long as she is scared, there is no worry about her speeding, weaving in and out of traffic and getting seriously hurt.

see the problem here is u say scoots and skips easy on account of gears. i agree.

 

but u said ur mum is worried bout power and weight. what i'm saying is, where power and weight is concerned, there is very little difference between the 2b trainer bikes and modern skippers. imagine the centers bring in a new scoot for an aout 2b license. is that gonna solve ur mum's power/weight concerns?

 

only if a person's concern is gears, then an auto 2b licence would be warranted, coz thats where the diff is, not power/weight.

 

so wat i'm saying is an auto 2b license isn gonna do much for ur mum where her main concerns are.

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Ehhh......

 

I think we are thinking about different kind of scoots thats why the matter of weight comes up.

[mechwira]

wat scoot u referring to? honda c70?

 

oh wait...... u mean those motorised bycicle izzit.....?

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Originally posted by mechwira@Feb 20 2005, 01:16 PM

wat scoot u referring to? honda c70?

 

oh wait...... u mean those motorised bycicle izzit.....?

Does anyone has any specs for a honda wave and the current used in the school?

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Oh....and maybe, someone can advise how to built up the technic to lift up any scooter and bikes by old folks?

 

It isnt so difficult to train some to lift weight. There is such a thing as muscle loss? It isnt about strength.

 

I have no doubt that if I was trapped under a heavy motorcycle, she would be lifting up the moturcycle even if it breaks her back.

 

It won't be that difficult for me to stage such a situation either once I can convince her on other things.

 

And having a easier auto scooter licence available will help in that arguement.

[Keynes]

Originally posted by ViciousKitty74@Feb 17 2005, 11:29 PM

Took me sometime to get use to it. But it was quite a no-brainer course I did recently.

Hi.

 

Where did u di the course, in S'pore?

 

Actually, I personally feel that autoscooters (not just scooters, but any clutchless machines, including autocars) r more dangerous for newbies than manual controlled (w clutch) vehicles, because if u twist the throttle too fast/hard, the scooter may wheelie.

 

It happens to me on a cub kia, it wheelie and lost control when I throttle it too hard.

[standlee]

Originally posted by Keynes@Feb 21 2005, 09:03 AM

Hi.

 

Where did u di the course, in S'pore?

 

Actually, I personally feel that autoscooters (not just scooters, but any clutchless machines, including autocars) r more dangerous for newbies than manual controlled (w clutch) vehicles, because if u twist the throttle too fast/hard, the scooter may wheelie.

 

It happens to me on a cub kia, it wheelie and lost control when I throttle it too hard.

during my days in malaysia, i rode on a modenas as well as a skipper.. the experience is totally different. its so fun.. it ain't so diff as u guys think cos i c 10-11yr old kids riding it easily as well..

[Guest ViciousKitty74]

Another point.

 

Instead of those motorised bicycles.

 

Auto Scooter Licence could mean a regulation against errant motorised bicyclist.

 

Its an upgrade from a Motorist bicycle. And at least we can see more such riders with better road training?

[ermintham]

yea..i heard it wld be called 2c....hmm..but i dun think so fast will come out..i heard when they wanted to introduce class 3a....it took a few yrs..so mayb class 2c wil be out in a couple of yrs

[poromov]

There is a big difference between learning auto car&manual car and auto bike&manual bike. Car is much easier to handle whereas any bike u must learn to control at first and switching gears isn't main problem there. Handling bike includes keeping balance, proper turning, stopping, accelerating etc. All these things aren't as easy as in a car. I'd say car forgives many mistakes when a bike never does.

[madman]

VK, can lift up one lah, on my CL2 test, have 3 girls shorter and smaller size than me also can lift up the bike, so 2b bike is not a problem for your mum, except if the person injured lah.

 

Usually, if buang or wat, the rider will not be able to lift the bike up the 1st 2 mins, as still in shock. After a while, steady already, will be able to lift bike up one.

 

I feel no need have auto lic for bikes, but will be good to let newbies tryout auto-bikes before TP test, as handling is different. As a newbie, will have problem already with the road traffic conditions, not to mention auto scoots...

 

Scoots tyres are smaller, and not able to down-gear for engine brake...and also the seating posture is very much diff from other makes of bike. So, implement it in one of the lessons for 2b to try out will do.

[nux_newbie]

The maxi-scoots (such as the Burgman/X9/Atlantic) might prove to be more difficult to pick up.

 

They aren't exactly very heavy (~170kg-ish), but there's no fuel tank for you to lean into, hence it is very much a case of lifting the bike upright via the handlebars.

 

More strenous since can't leverage using your legs.

 

Actually car drivers should be allowed to ride small capacity auto scoots perhaps after a basic conversion test. They're really easy to ride and should go some way towards alleviating the congestion on SG roads.

 

Not being able to 'half-clutch' on the slow speed courses isn't really an issue with automatic motorcycles. You just need to exercise fine throttle control.