Singapore racing track being built.

[WeN-Di.aka.ktmger]

Originally posted by number17@Apr 5 2005, 09:45 PM

Well I think it's the other way around.

actually why i said that is because for bike races, some wouldnt want to pay too much for entry fees into the competition and onto the race track... whereas for cars, guess they have much more $$ to spare... they wouldn't mind paying more to take part in competitions and drive on tracks..

 

in singapore it's hard to find big sponsors for racing events thus it's not easy to host a competition also... dun talk about sponsoring racers.. hee..

 

but no matter what, i'll still welcome a race track in spore..

[MS]

Originally posted by ktmger@Apr 5 2005, 09:58 PM

actually why i said that is because for bike races, some wouldnt want to pay too much for entry fees into the competition and onto the race track... whereas for cars, guess they have much more $$ to spare... they wouldn't mind paying more to take part in competitions and drive on tracks..

 

in singapore it's hard to find big sponsors for racing events thus it's not easy to host a competition also... dun talk about sponsoring racers.. hee..

 

but no matter what, i'll still welcome a race track in spore..

It is never easy to maintain a racetrack in Singapore. Confirm got problems. But this is a Singaporean track that we can be proud to be called our own. Facing the problems, we should join forces with the management to counter these problems so as to make OUR track better and better.

[Dino Bravo]

Originally posted by ktmger@Apr 5 2005, 09:58 PM

actually why i said that is because for bike races, some wouldnt want to pay too much for entry fees into the competition and onto the race track... whereas for cars, guess they have much more $$ to spare... they wouldn't mind paying more to take part in competitions and drive on tracks..

 

in singapore it's hard to find big sponsors for racing events thus it's not easy to host a competition also... dun talk about sponsoring racers.. hee..

 

but no matter what, i'll still welcome a race track in spore..

well... your were right in some ways saying the track might be used more for car racing. i get your point... well the govt recognise cars more than bikes and the majority of motorists in sg are DRIVERS. but these drivers dun race. in fact many of them are not into racing, its more about a comfy transportation. the ones who race are actually the rich rich guys... but wad the govt SHOULD realise is that although there are more cars than bikes in sg... the majority of racers comes from bikers i believe... not every one is that rich to afford souped-up cars for racing. and that not yet include BUYING a car yet.. haha!

so conclusion is that i feel and i believe that you all also feel that the track should be multi purpose. i mean come-on... i know it will not be a STANDARD bike only track. cannot compare sepang. but at least we have a place to play with lor... just look at our soccer stadiums... other countries have stadiums purely for soccer and staduims purely for track and field. but look at ours... soccer field cum track and field stadium haha! even gymnastic gym also double up as basketball court... like someone who just mentioned earlier on.. a track is not easy to maintain... and space is a constrain... so i actually dun mind if they build a street circuit or a dual-purpose track... i'll be very happy to know when they will work on it haha! donkey years later maybe...

[Dino Bravo]

Originally posted by ktmger@Apr 5 2005, 06:24 PM

even if this racing track is materialise.. i personally feel that it'll be more of car racing track rather than for bikes... honestly speaking, they will definitely earn more $$ from car races.. look at the no. of bike races in singapore as compared to cars.. seriously i dont feel that bike racing is as well received as compared to car racing.. just my 2 cents worth...

errr... regarding wad you mentioned about car racing more received that bike racing... i totally agree... they will see car racing as a safer sport... yep totally agree with wad you said

[WeN-Di.aka.ktmger]

hmm.. yah lor.. any way for us to let these pple know that they should look into dual purpose track to include bikes too?? actually i was abit unhappy when i read the news about them coming up with the race track and yet i read nothing about bikes... they just mention about cars n cars... did they forget about the existence of motoGP? *sigH* Other countries support so much of their own local riders but maybe spore govt just dun like riders? Haha.. probably because riders contribute to the higher accident rates?? hmmm...

[BuZZBeaM]

Originally posted by ktmger@Apr 8 2005, 11:45 AM

probably because riders contribute to the higher accident rates?? hmmm...

Vechicles have Contribute more lor...

[WeN-Di.aka.ktmger]

Originally posted by BuZZBeaM@Apr 8 2005, 05:23 PM

Vechicles have Contribute more lor...

not really leh.. see this

 

Figures extracted from http://www.spf.gov.sg/ to the best of my efforts:

 

Fatalities:

2004 - 194 persons

2003 - 212 persons

 

Total Fatal and Injury Accidents (6.2% inc(38.5% inc for slight injury)):

2004 - 6,842 total cases (6,587 slight injury)

2003 - 6,444 total cases (6,125 slight injury)

 

No of Motorcyclists & Pillion Riders Killed (0% diff):

2004 - 94

2003 - 94

 

No of Motorcar Drivers and Passengers Killed (-11.1%)

2004 - 24

2003 - 27

 

No of Pedestrains Killed (29.5% drop):

2004 - 45

2003 - 64

 

No of Pedal Cyclists Killed (0% diff)

2004 - 17

2003 - 17

 

No of Others Killed (incl Bus Pass/Drivers, Hvy & Light Goods Veh Pass/Drivers) (40% increase):

2004 - 14

2003 - 10

[rhema83]

They will allow bikes to go one lah. If they really build it but don't let bikes race, then bike lobby groups will step in. There are also so many good reasons we can give to make them let us in. Just "allowing bikes onto the track will reduce street racing and make roads safer" is enough.

[BuZZBeaM]

Originally posted by ktmger@Apr 8 2005, 07:44 PM

not really leh.. see this

 

Figures extracted from http://www.spf.gov.sg/ to the best of my efforts:

 

 

 

erm they shld differentiate fatality of bikers cause by vechicles or own self mah...

[number17]

Basically if scared to die dun ride mah

[number17]

Why would they think the track would induce more accidents on the road involving bikes? They can in fact channel all those speed demons and racer wannabes to the track rite?

 

By the way, I think the cub kia prix and supermotard induces more people than the car races rite? People from all walks of life were there supporting their friends/ relatives who are taking part. And people from all walks of life too participate in the event. Unlike the car events only the rich can take part. Are the masses of Singapore that rich?

 

Also its obvious the people behind the project are big time businessmen and promoters. Would they let people know their business strategies? Would they commit and say 'We Shall Host F1'. Then if it doesn't take off these people and Govt malu rite? Im sure they won't want that.

 

Oops I've said too much...

[kirra55]

Interesting debate about the proposed circuit, some observation. The amount of land suggested 54 hectares is minimal although possible.

 

As a comparison Hidden Valley Complex in the NT of Australia is on 94 hectares. It has a 2.8km circuit with a main staright of 1100m. It also has a full length Drag Racing strip, Go Kart Circuit, MotoX circuit, twin Track Mud Racing Circuit, and a Speedway Circuit as well as enclosed Pit complex and a reasonably sized Club House.

 

I think the costs are woefully understated. Sg$50m is maybe for initial construction of a circuit and associated landworks. As a comparison the Canberra circuit had "$4.5m in capital works for the first year of the race and $2.5m per year subsidy to fund the annual operating costs of the race. In 2000-01, the annual subsidy was raised to $4m per year, and in 2001-02 to $4.7m." (ACT Auditor-General's Office Performance Audit Report V8 Car Races in Canberra - Costs and Benefits, July 2002).

 

Now that is in addition to the already built circuit. Hidden Valley cost over Aus$30 to build up to a preliminary 'local club event use' level. Additioonal funding of another Aus$8m was required in 1998 to bring the circuit to CAMS standard for a round of the touring car championship.

 

Each year the NT gahment spends a minimum of Aus$2.5m to support the circuit, plus top up funding for various clubs, authorities and GBUs to keep operating.

 

Racing circuits are cash sponges, they suck it up very quickly and give very little return. However....

 

The building of a circuit for Singapore should be a priority that the g'ment should be urged to support. The benefits INDIRECTLY far outweigh the capital costs. Operating such a complex will benefit a large number of associations, clubs and individuals on a personal non-profit level.

 

The ability to utilise such facilities by clubs for events, from on and off circuit use, will provide much needed service access. Commercially automotive firms can pay for hire of all facilities, which can also mean added operating costs offsets. Not just to the circuit, but in reduced use of public facilities such as roads and such.

 

One word on street circuits. They are only suitable for racing cars, and expensive when it comes to body damage. With a few exceptions street circuits are no longer used for motorcycle races. Mainly as they are incredibly unforgiving to riders due to lack of run off areas.

 

Any suggestion that a street circuit is a viable alternative to a full racing circuit, which will mean complete exclusion for motorcyclists, should be strongly fought. As an examole look at Monaco or Adelaide, Melbourne or similar, no one would possibly stage a motorcycle race on any of those.

 

Isle of Man is different of course.

[number17]

Originally posted by kirra55@Apr 11 2005, 06:26 AM

Racing circuits are cash sponges, they suck it up very quickly and give very little return. However....

 

The building of a circuit for Singapore should be a priority that the g'ment should be urged to support. The benefits INDIRECTLY far outweigh the capital costs. Operating such a complex will benefit a large number of associations, clubs and individuals on a personal non-profit level.

 

The ability to utilise such facilities by clubs for events, from on and off circuit use, will provide much needed service access. Commercially automotive firms can pay for hire of all facilities, which can also mean added operating costs offsets. Not just to the circuit, but in reduced use of public facilities such as roads and such.

 

One word on street circuits. They are only suitable for racing cars, and expensive when it comes to body damage. With a few exceptions street circuits are no longer used for motorcycle races. Mainly as they are incredibly unforgiving to riders due to lack of run off areas.

 

Any suggestion that a street circuit is a viable alternative to a full racing circuit, which will mean complete exclusion for motorcyclists, should be strongly fought. As an examole look at Monaco or Adelaide, Melbourne or similar, no one would possibly stage a motorcycle race on any of those.

 

Isle of Man is different of course.

Agree with you.

 

The Isle of Man circuit, is different, because people there readily accepts death in street circuit. Every year, there are people who DIE in that race. Anyone who watches it would understand why. They're racing superbikes, some even with factory support, on the roads. And yet they still carry on with it.

 

[number17]

But even then, we all don't know if it's going to be built.

 

As for me, built or not, I will support the cause and the people who are trying to make it happen.

[kirra55]

Originally posted by number17@Apr 11 2005, 09:00 AM

Agree with you.

 

The Isle of Man circuit, is different, because people there readily accepts death in street circuit. Every year, there are people who DIE in that race. Anyone who watches it would understand why. They're racing superbikes, some even with factory support, on the roads. And yet they still carry on with it.

 

Yep, although the Isle of Mann TT races cover a variety of classes. From Superbike and BOTT to 125s. Ridersd also do not leave in a group, they used to leave in pairs and race against the clock, not each other. They also seperate the Novices and graded riders.

 

Even if you have a racing license, as a newby you must wear an L plate. Its kinda weird seeing some guy that has been a National champion and won hundreds of races wearing an L plate.

 

If you want to see some really arse puckering, ball sac tightening riding, take a look at Joey Dunlop riding the Isle of Mann, with an onboard camera. That tape is still around in some of the shops somewhere.

[number17]

Originally posted by kirra55@Apr 11 2005, 04:20 PM

Yep, although the Isle of Mann TT races cover a variety of classes. From Superbike and BOTT to 125s. Ridersd also do not leave in a group, they used to leave in pairs and race against the clock, not each other. They also seperate the Novices and graded riders.

 

Even if you have a racing license, as a newby you must wear an L plate. Its kinda weird seeing some guy that has been a National champion and won hundreds of races wearing an L plate.

 

If you want to see some really arse puckering, ball sac tightening riding, take a look at Joey Dunlop riding the Isle of Mann, with an onboard camera. That tape is still around in some of the shops somewhere.

I have the complete videos for last year's Isle of Man TT.

 

Bought at Far East Plaza video shop, the one at 2nd story I think

 

[jinhanz]

singapore always believe making full use of land... probably make the place something like a turf club with shopping centres around and u can also change it to temporary place for fighter planes to land and take off???

[WeN-Di.aka.ktmger]

Originally posted by BuZZBeaM@Apr 10 2005, 03:58 PM

erm they shld differentiate fatality of bikers cause by vechicles or own self mah...

hee.. yah lah..

 

sometimes i just feel that riders are not as respected in spore as compared to other countries... *sigh* just on the road is enough... cars just dun care about us and cut lanes as n when they like...

 

that time when they build a temp "mx/sx style" track in turf city for the race, i was so happy.. tot that they were going to keep it but too bad..

[hirman88]

hope it will happen now or 10 yrs time. I f i cannot race by 10 yrs sure my kid will do.

 

Need a proper race track

[kirra55]

There is one thing all of us can do to possibly help speed things up.

 

Write or email to the track proposers.

 

Tell them how often you use the malay tracks, explain how much you are spending to do so. How much you spend on such things as track fees, fuel, food and drinks. What sort of services you would like to see on such a track, how much you would pay for them.

 

$$$ talk, they can work out pretty quickly how much is in it for them. So does the knowledge of a large market base. By showing them how many potential customers they have, it may add to the weight of evidence in favour of going ahead.

 

The originator, or Admin, of this thread may want to send them the link.

[number17]

Originally posted by kirra55@Apr 13 2005, 03:45 PM

There is one thing all of us can do to possibly help speed things up.

 

Write or email to the track proposers.

 

Tell them how often you use the malay tracks, explain how much you are spending to do so. How much you spend on such things as track fees, fuel, food and drinks. What sort of services you would like to see on such a track, how much you would pay for them.

 

$$$ talk, they can work out pretty quickly how much is in it for them. So does the knowledge of a large market base. By showing them how many potential customers they have, it may add to the weight of evidence in favour of going ahead.

 

The originator, or Admin, of this thread may want to send them the link.

Bravo, that's the best idea so far. Agree wit you 110%

[EVOIIIGSR]

I'll kick the ball rolling ...

 

Tell them how often you use the malay tracks

 

once a month on avg. for PG

once a blu moon on avg for Sepang

 

explain how much you are spending to do so.How much you spend on such things as track fees, fuel, food and drinks.

 

for track use on Sunday in PG (3 hours) RM80

for track use on Saturday in Sepang(3 hours) RM100

for track use on Sunday in Sepang (3 hours) RM90

for track entry in PG RM5

for track entry in Sepang RM0

on avg for petrol up to PG and back RM50

on avg for petrol up to Sepang and back RM250

on avg on accomodation for Sepang RM500

on avg for meals for PG RM30

on avg for meals for Sepang inclusive of partying in Bukit Bintang RM300

on avg for my wifes shopping spree in KL while I am in Sepang RM3000

not contributing my hard earn money to my own gahment ---> PRICELESS

 

What sort of services you would like to see on such a track, how much you would pay for them.

 

Bikini umbrella babes for the fun race ... wud pay them RM100 for a quickie (1/2 hr) and RM1000 for whole track day & nite (24 hours)

 

[9up]

Originally posted by mahuberani@Mar 9 2005, 09:16 AM

If s'pore built race track , must put erp gantry. Pay by lap. Once pass the gantry deduct from cashcard. 1 lap, $2. sure make money one.

goodone

[number17]

Originally posted by EVOIIIGSR@Apr 14 2005, 02:12 PM

Bikini umbrella babes for the fun race ... wud pay them RM100 for a quickie (1/2 hr) and RM1000 for whole track day & nite (24 hours)

 

Wah I didn't know got the extra service? Wah then now must go Sepang [ractice hard liow

[ET]

hohohoho!